Historic announcement
Tom Reedy
coherent and indicate she has been reading. That a person may be wrong
in interpretation of the evidence has never had a bearing on my
killfile policy.
As far as I know, this is the first time anybody has made it out. I
thought about taking one poster out recently, but immediately thought
better.
TR
Art Neuendorffer
<<The Twentieth [Phantom]
showed Kit the ancient Skull Ring he wore on his right hand,
which he had inherited down the centuries from the First Phantom.
By some mysterious process, when the ring hits an evildoer,
it leaves a skull mark on his skin forEVER.
Young Kit was fascinated by this ring, which he knew would
be his some day. The Twentieth also showed him the ring
of The Good Mark, worn on his left hand (closer to the heart).>>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Tolstoy's _War & Peace_
<<"Oh no, not at all! On the contrary, I am very glad
to make your acquaintance," said Pierre. And again,
glancing at the stranger's hands, he looked more closely
.
. at the ring, with its SKULL- a Masonic sign.
.
"Allow me to ask," he said, "are you a Mason?"
"Yes, I belong to the Brotherhood of the Freemasons," said the
stranger, looking deeper and deeper into Pierre's eyes. "And in
their name and my own I hold out a brotherly hand to you."
"I am afraid," said Pierre, smiling, and wavering between the
confidence the personality of the Freemason inspired in him and his
own habit of ridiculing the Masonic beliefs- "I am afraid I am very
far from understanding- how am I to put it?- I am afraid my way of
looking at the world is so opposed to yours that we shall not
understand one another."
"I know your outlook," said the Mason, "and the view of life you
mention, and which you think is the result of your own mental efforts,
is the one held by the majority of people, and is the invariable fruit
of pride, indolence, and ignorance. Forgive me, my dear sir, but if
I had not known it I should not have addressed you. Your view of
life is a regrettable delusion.">>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Art Neuendorffer
Greg Reynolds
So it isn't a killfile after all. More like a gitmofile. You don't die,
you just linger.
Congratulations, Elizabeth. Free at last.
Tom Reedy
news:1169359652.4...@s34g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Ceremony at 2. Decorations mandatory.
TR
Jim KQKnave <kqknave
"Tom Reedy" <tom.re...@gmail.com> wrote:
>she
"it".
See my demolition of Monsarrat's RES paper!
http://hometown.aol.com/kqknave/monsarr1.html
The Droeshout portrait is not unusual at all!
http://hometown.aol.com/kqknave/shakenbake.html
Agent Jim
Mark Cipra
She may never find out, if she's got all of us killfiled :) Do you,
Elizabeth?
--
Mark Cipra
"Know your lines and don't bump into the furniture." (Spencer Tracy on
acting)
(Play Indiana Jones! Hide the "ark" in my address to reply by email)
Art Neuendorffer
> >
> > Elizabeth Weir has been taken out of my killfile. Her recent posts are
> > coherent and indicate she has been reading. That a person may be wrong
> > in interpretation of the evidence has never had a bearing on my
> > killfile policy.
> >
> > As far as I know, this is the first time anybody has made it out. I
> > thought about taking one poster out recently, but immediately thought
> > better.
> >
> > TR
Greg Reynolds wrote:
>
> So it isn't a killfile after all. More like a gitmofile.
Is that where they flushed the canon down the loo?
.
Greg Reynolds wrote:
>
> You don't die, you just linger.
> Congratulations, Elizabeth. Free at last.
They say I'm crazy
I should be locked away
But no bars can hold me
Still spread my decay
.
(Saint Vitus Ice Monkey Lyrics)
-------------------------------------------
Art Neuendorffer
lyra
>
> > Tom Reedy wrote:
> > >
> > > Elizabeth Weir has been taken out of my killfile. Her recent posts are
> > > coherent and indicate she has been reading. That a person may be wrong
> > > in interpretation of the evidence has never had a bearing on my
> > > killfile policy.
> > >
> > > As far as I know, this is the first time anybody has made it out. I
> > > thought about taking one poster out recently, but immediately thought
> > > better.
______________________________________________
Who cares about all this self-important garbage?
This is a humanities forum, (and started by Oxfordians -
sometimes I wish they would CLOSE IT DOWN,
just so as to get rid of such as the above,)
- not any pompous wasting-time self-obsessed group
such as may be found all over Usenet for those who want a laugh
at the drivel posted.
.................................................................................................
.................................................................................................
Just wait until the truth IS found out.
A lot of up-their-nose tiresome posters
are going to look like what they are.
I thought Houlsby, Spinoza, etc.,
despite their faults, were stirring up this group
enough to change it for the better.
It hasn't.
Like Spinoza (who I don't know, and didn't always agree with) -
I'm away, for quite some time.
I shan't even be reading it.
When, or if, I return,
it had better be a better group than this.
Oh, I might send things in occasionally.
(But of course some will never know!)
..................................................................
I'm still waiting for the truth to be discovered.
What a day that will be.
Meanwhile, do go and sponsor a few gargoyles at Stratford.
I seem to recall the church is rotting away,
and has death-watch beetle.
I wish it no harm. (really don't - I actually like old churches)
But is it a message from the god/s?
That it's had its day?
....................................................................
(If it fell down, would anything be found to cast any light on things
I wonder...)
SO...DON'T LET IT FALL DOWN! - STRATFORDIANS!
.....................................................................................................
.....................................................................................................
(In fact, I'm ENJOYING THIS POSTING SO MUCH, I might even stay! -
don't know though - [things that will take up time, got to be
done...]............)
....................................................................................................
> .
> Greg Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > So it isn't a killfile after all. More like a gitmofile.
> .
> Is that where they flushed the canon down the loo?
> .
> Greg Reynolds wrote:
> >
> > You don't die, you just linger.
> > Congratulations, Elizabeth. Free at last.
............................................................................
As if that is what being FREE is!!!!
(or anything to congratulate anyone on)
(well, maybe he is joking...)
...............................................................................
...............................................................................
lyra
lyra wrote:
.............................................................................................................
> Meanwhile, do go and sponsor a few gargoyles at Stratford.
>
> I seem to recall the church is rotting away,
> and has death-watch beetle.
>
> I wish it no harm. (really don't - I actually like old churches)
>
> But is it a message from the god/s?
.........................
OH! I forgot!
this is a "SECULAR and HUMANIST" group (!!!)
to those who presume to speak for others.
I hope if I am ever either, I shall DIE first.
...............................................................................
...............................................................................
>
> That it's had its day?
>
> ....................................................................
>
> (If it fell down, would anything be found to cast any light on things
> I wonder...)
>
> SO...DON'T LET IT FALL DOWN! - STRATFORDIANS!
>
>
> .....................................................................................................
> .....................................................................................................
>
> (In fact, I'm ENJOYING THIS POSTING SO MUCH, I might even stay! -
>
> don't know though - [things that will take up time, got to be
> done...]............)
>
> ....................................................................................................
>
...............................................................................
> > Greg Reynolds wrote:
> > >
> > > You don't die, you just linger.
> > > Congratulations, Elizabeth. Free at last.
>
............................................................................
>
> As if that is what being FREE is!!!!
>
> (or anything to congratulate anyone on)
>
> (well, maybe he is joking...)
In fact, he'd HAVE to be...!
>
> ...............................................................................
> ..............................................................................
lyra
"Mostow claims an evil gargoyle-like spirit takes possession of him and
forces him to commit his crimes."
Is this the explanation of a lot of things...? :)
"In a Charmed season 4 episode "Charmed Again," the character of Cole
Turner explains that gargolyes are only statutes..."
statutes???
"...in their resting state, but they come alive to ward off evil. Later
in the episode, gargoyles come alive and prevent the Source of all evil
from entering a church."
Well, I hope something does...
.........................................................................................................................................
and thinking of CHURCHES...
don't forget!
_________________________________________________________________
(If it fell down, would anything be found to cast any light on things
I wonder...)
SO...DON'T LET IT FALL DOWN! - STRATFORDIANS!
_________________________________________________________________
now - to get on with the posting...!
......................................
(quote, excerpts)
Gargoyle
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This article is about gargoyle statues. For other uses, see
Gargoyles (disambiguation).
A gargoyle adorning Dornoch Cathedral in Scotland
A gargoyle adorning Dornoch Cathedral in Scotland
In architecture, the gargoyle (from the French gargouille, originally
the throat or gullet, cf. Latin gurgulio, gula, and similar words
derived from root gar, to swallow, the word representing the gurgling
sound of water; Ital. doccione; Ger. Ausguss, Wasserspeier) are the
carved terminations to spouts which convey water away from the sides of
buildings.
Gargoyles are mostly grotesque figures. Statues representing
gargoyle-like creatures are popular sales items, particularly in goth
and New Age retail stores.
A chimera, or grotesque is a similar type of sculpture that does not
work as a waterspout and serves only an ornamental or artistic
function. These are popularly referred to as gargoyles.
Contents
* 1 History
* 2 Gargoyles in fiction
* 3 References
* 4 See also
* 5 External links
* 6 Photo gallery
[edit] History
A Hellenistic gargoyle, representing a comical cook-slave. Ai Khanoum,
Afghanistan, 2nd century BCE.
A Hellenistic gargoyle, representing a comical cook-slave. Ai Khanoum,
Afghanistan, 2nd century BCE.
The term gargoyle is most often applied to medieval work, but
throughout all ages some means of throwing the water off roofs, when
not conveyed in gutters, was adopted. In Egypt, gargoyles ejected the
water used in the washing of the sacred vessels which seems to have
been done on the flat roofs of the temples. In Greek temples, the water
from roofs passed through the mouths of lions whose heads were carved
or modelled in the marble or terra cotta cymatium of the cornice. At
Pompeii, many terra cotta gargoyles were found that are modelled in the
shape of animals.
A local legend that sprang up around the name of St. Romanus ("Romain")
(631 - 641 A.D.), the former chancellor of the Merovingian king
Clotaire II who was made bishop of Rouen, relates how he delivered the
country around Rouen from a monster called Gargouille, having had the
creature captured by a liberated prisoner. The gargoyle's grotesque
form was said to scare off evil spirits so they were used for
protection. In commemoration of St. Romain the Archbishops of Rouen
were granted the right to set a prisoner free on the day that the
reliquary of the saint was carried in procession (see details at
Rouen).
View of Paris from the Galerie des Chimères on Notre Dame de Paris.
13th century.
View of Paris from the Galerie des Chimères on Notre Dame de Paris.
13th century.
Although most have grotesque features, the term gargoyle has come to
include all types of images. Some gargoyles were depicted as monks,
combinations of real animals and people, many of which were humorous.
Unusual animal mixtures, or chimeras, did not act as rainspouts and are
more properly called grotesques. They serve more as ornamentation, but
are now synonymous with gargoyles.
Gargoyles, or more precisely chimerae, were used as decoration on 19th
and early 20th century buildings in cities such as New York (where the
Chrysler Building's stainless steel gargoyles are celebrated), and
Chicago. Gargoyles can be found on many churches and buildings.
One impressive collection of modern gargoyles can be found at
Washington National Cathedral in Washington, DC. The cathedral begun in
1908 is encrusted with the limestone demons. But this collection also
includes Darth Vader, a crooked politician, robots and many other
modern spins on the ancient tradition.
[edit] Gargoyles in fiction
It has been suggested that this section be split into a new article.
(Discuss)
In contemporary fiction, gargoyles are typically depicted as a
(generally) winged humanoid race with demonic features (generally
horns, a tail, talons, and may or may not have a beak). Gargoyles can
generally use their wings to fly or glide, and are often depicted as
having a rocky hide, or being capable of turning into stone in one way
or another, a reference to their structural roots.
One of many gargoyles adorning the campus of the University of Chicago
One of many gargoyles adorning the campus of the University of Chicago
Gargoyles as a distinct race have featured in several works of fantasy
fiction, such as Terry Pratchett's Discworld series (Discworld
gargoyles) and the Dungeons & Dragons (D&D gargoyles) and Rifts
role-playing games. One of the Gargoyles that lives on the Discworld
has taken up a position in the Ankh-Morpork City Watch where he is
known as Constable Downspout. They were also prominently featured in a
Disney animated series, Gargoyles, and played a role in that company's
adaptation of Victor Hugo's The Hunchback of Notre Dame. Actress
Adrienne Barbeau played a violent gargoyle in the TV series Monsters.
Actress Rae Dawn Chong played a gargoyle in human form in Tales from
the Darkside: The Movie. A gargoyle named Firebrand is featured in the
Ghosts 'n Goblins series, whose infamy as a difficult foe to defeat
cast him as a hero in his own Gargoyle's Quest series.
In White Wolf's now discontinued role playing series Vampire: The
Masquerade Gargoyles were not a separate race but rather an obscure
bloodline, (minor clan), of vampires created by the blood mages of Clan
Tremere to serve as guards and servants, they were the result of
experiments with captured members of other Clans. Many of these
creatures escaped their bondage and struck out on their own.
The Gargoyle (World of Darkness) was released as a playable bloodline
alongside Caitiff and Lasombra antitribu, they could fly and also
possessed strange abilities that were linked to stone.
Two separate characters in the Marvel Comics universe used the name
Gargoyle (comics). The first was a foe of The Incredible Hulk, the
second a member of hero team The Defenders, a human/demon composite.
Gargoyle is Monster in My Pocket #72.
The gargoyle is a species of pygmy domesticated dragon in the
Spiderwick Chronicles.
Gargoyle is a monster used in Heroes of Might and Magic series.
Two otherwise-unrelated made-for-TV movies which feature the creatures
as villains are Gargoyles (1972, starring Cornel Wilde and Bernie
Casey, no relation to the Disney TV series) and Gargoyle: Wings Of
Darkness (2004).
Characters in Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash use the term "gargoyle" to
refer to people who wear a large amount of information-gathering gear
on their persons.
Gargoyles is the name of an acclaimed American animated series created
by Greg Weisman, produced by Greg Weisman and Frank Paur and aired from
October 24, 1994 to February 15, 1997. It was at the time hailed as one
of the more ambitious Disney animated series in history, targeting an
older demographic and taking a darker edge.
In Spider-Man: The Animated Series, Spider-Man has a favorite gargoyle
statue, who he named "Bruce", which he sometimes talks to when in
contemplation.
The X-Files season 3 episode "Grotesque" deals with a serial killer
named Mostow who appears to be obsessed with gargoyles. Mostow claims
an evil gargoyle-like spirit takes possession of him and forces him to
commit his crimes. Although the serial killer is arrested similar
murders continue. When agents Skully and Mulder visit his apartment,
they find hundreds of Mostow's gargoyle artwork. In one scene, Mulder
discovers the corpse of a victim encased in clay that's shaped in the
form of a gargoyle.
In a Charmed season 4 episode "Charmed Again," the character of Cole
Turner explains that gargolyes are only statutes in their resting
state, but they come alive to ward off evil. Later in the episode,
gargoyles come alive and prevent the Source of all evil from entering a
church.
[edit] References
* This article incorporates text from the Encyclopædia Britannica
Eleventh Edition, a publication now in the public domain.
[edit] External links
Wikimedia Commons has media related to:
Gargoyles
* Gargoyles
* Randall's Lost New York City
* Story of Gargouille
* Gargoyle:Wings Of Darkness at the Internet Movie Database
* Gargoyles at the Internet Movie Database
* Gargoyle Gothica Gargoyles and Gothic cathedrals
* gargoyle sculptor, Jay Hall Carpenter [1]
[edit] Photo gallery
Chimera of St. Patrick Church, Flagstaff, Arizona
View of a gargoyle on the Notre Dame cathedral in Paris
A gargoyle on the Basilica of the Sacré Cœur, Paris showing the water
channel
A Japanese gargoyle adorning Himeji Castle
Gargoyle at the St.-Petrus-en-Pauluskerk, Ostend, Belgium
Gargoyle at Fontevraud's Abbey, Fontevraud, France
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gargoyle"
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Art Neuendorffer
Art Neuendorffer
>
> (In fact, I'm ENJOYING THIS POSTING SO MUCH, I might even stay! -
>
> don't know though - [things that will take up time, got to be
> done...]............)
>
by all means do it. Otherwise, please stay, Lyra.
.
You tell us that you are a Marlovian
but you hardly ever state why.
.
Why?
.
I personally find Shakspere too bland to be believable
but Marlowe is far too romantic.
.
The real author must be highly educated
but writing the canon must be the most
exciting thing in his life; it consumes him.
.
And he can't be permitted to write anything important
under his own name; this is what drives him Hamlet-Mad.
.
Art Neuendorffer
Tom Reedy
On Jan 21, 10:23 am, "lyra" <mountain_qu...@RockAthens.com> wrote:
> Art Neuendorffer wrote:
>
> > > Tom Reedy wrote:
>
> > > > Elizabeth Weir has been taken out of my killfile. Her recent posts are
> > > > coherent and indicate she has been reading. That a person may be wrong
> > > > in interpretation of the evidence has never had a bearing on my
> > > > killfile policy.
>
> > > > As far as I know, this is the first time anybody has made it out. I
> > > > thought about taking one poster out recently, but immediately thought
> > > > better.______________________________________________
>
> Who cares about all this self-important garbage?
>
> This is a humanities forum, (and started by Oxfordians -
> sometimes I wish they would CLOSE IT DOWN,
> just so as to get rid of such as the above,)
>
> - not any pompous wasting-time self-obsessed group
> such as may be found all over Usenet for those who want a laugh
> at the drivel posted.
I thought you would have twigged by the tone of the subject line. (You
see, I can see you on Goggle; I just don't get you on my newsreader.)
Laughing at you,
TR
>
> .................................................................................................
> .................................................................................................
> .....................................................................................................
> .....................................................................................................
>
> (In fact, I'm ENJOYING THIS POSTING SO MUCH, I might even stay! -
>
> don't know though - [things that will take up time, got to be
> done...]............)
>
> ....................................................................................................
>
> > .
> > Greg Reynolds wrote:
>
> > > So it isn't a killfile after all. More like a gitmofile.
> > .
> > Is that where they flushed the canon down the loo?
> > .
> > Greg Reynolds wrote:
>
> > > You don't die, you just linger.
> > > Congratulations, Elizabeth. Free at last.............................................................................
>
> As if that is what being FREE is!!!!
>
> (or anything to congratulate anyone on)
>
> (well, maybe he is joking...)
>
> ...............................................................................
> ...............................................................................
>
>
>
> > .
> > They say I'm crazy
> > I should be locked away
> > But no bars can hold me
> > Still spread my decay
> > .
> > (Saint Vitus Ice Monkey Lyrics)
> > -------------------------------------------
> > Art Neuendorffer- Hide quoted text -- Show quoted text -
nordicskiv2
Art Neuendorffer <aneuendor...@comcast.net>
(aneuendor...@comicass.nut) wrote:
> lyra wrote:
> >
> > (In fact, I'm ENJOYING THIS POSTING SO MUCH, I might even stay! -
> >
> > don't know though - [things that will take up time, got to be
> > done...]............)
> If you've got something better to do then
> by all means do it. Otherwise, please stay, Lyra.
> .
> You tell us that you are a Marlovian
> but you hardly ever state why.
You tell us that you're an Oxfordian, Art, but you neVER state why
-- or, if the lunatic logorrhea that you post is supposed to indicate
why, then your "reasoning" needs some work, as does your exposition.
> Why?
> .
> I personally find Shakspere too bland to be believable
> but Marlowe is far too romantic.
Now *there's* a convincing argument! Why isn't Wallace Stevens
"too bland to be believable," Art?
> The real author must be highly educated
With all those factual gaffes in the canon?! Not VERy likely.
> but writing the canon must be the most
> exciting thing in his life; it consumes him.
Oxford was cognosumed by other, less savory pursuits.
> And he can't be permitted to write anything important
> under his own name;
But Art -- Oxford *DID* write a reasonable body of moderately
competent VERse under his own name -- didn't you know?
> this is what drives him Hamlet-Mad.
But Art -- Hamlet is *NOT* mad; he is only feigning madness -- as
you are. HoweVER, you definitely have the edge, as you can reasonably
successfully impersonate a moron as well as a madman.
> Art Neuendorffer
Art Neuendorffer
>>
>>And [Shakespeare] can't be permitted to write
>> anything important under his own name;
nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> But Art -- Oxford *DID* write a reasonable body of moderately
> competent VERse under his own name -- didn't you know?
You mean like this:
----------------------------------------------------
THE EARL OF OXFORD TO THE READER OF BEDINGFIELD'S "CARDANUS' COMFORT"
.
The *MASON* poor, that builds the lordly halls,
Dwells not in them, they are for high degree;
His cottage is compact in paper walls,
And not with *BRICK or STONE* as others be.
.
The idle drone that labours not at all
*SUCKS* up the sweet of HONEY from the *BEE* .
Who worketh most, to their share least doth fall;
With due desert reward will never be.
---------------------------------------------
____*DIE* : *SUCKLE* *SUCK* (Danish, Norwegian)
----------------------------------------------
http://www.sourcetext.com/sourcebook/essays/harvey.html
Harvey's Apostrophe ad eundem, lines 38-43:
.
Virtus fronte habitat: Mars occupat ora; Minerva
In dextra latitat: Bellona in corpore regnat:
Martius ardor inest; scintillant lumina: vultus
Tela vibrat: quis non redivivum iuret Achillem?
O age, magne *COMES* , SPES est virtutis alenda Ista tibi;
.
*ED. COMES OXONIENSIS*
.
____*COME(DIE)S*
----------------------------------------------
> Art Neuendorffer <aneuendor...@comcast.net>
>>
>>this is what drives him Hamlet-Mad.
.
nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> But Art -- Hamlet is *NOT* mad; he is only feigning madness
> -- as you are.
---------------------------------------------
. Sonnet 140
.
Be WISE as thou art cruell, do not presse
My toung-tide patience with too much disdaine :
Least sorrow lend me words and words expresse,
The manner of my pittie wanting paine.
If I might teach thee witte better it WEARE,
Though not to loue, yet loue to tell me so,
As testie sick-men when their deaths be neere,
No newes but health from their Phisitions know.
For if I should dispaire I should grow *MADDE* ,
And in my *MADnesse* might speake ill of thee,
Now this ill wresting world is growne so bad,
*MADDE* slanderers by *MADDE EARES* beleeued be.
. That I may not be so, nor thou be lyde,
. Beare thine *EYES* straight , though thy proud heart goe wide.
---------------------------------------------
___ *SIEH* : SEE! (German)
.
http://www.philological.bham.ac.uk/anagrams/text.html
____ *EDOUARUS VEIERUS*
_____ per anagramma
____ *AURE SURDUS VIDEO*
__ [ *DEAF IN MY EAR, I SEE* ]
----------------------------------------------
Dante Gabriel Rossetti. *FORD MAD-OX* BROWN 1858.
http://www.tiny.cc/I4BUa
.
The Question (For a design)
(Rossetti, Letters, 4:1952-53)
.
This sea, deep furrowed as the face of Time,
Mirrors the ghost of the removed moon;
The peaks stand bristling round the waste lagune;
While up the difficult summit steeply climb
Youth, Manhood, Age, one triple labouring mime;
And to the measure of some mystic rune
Hark how the restless waters importune
These ECHOing steeps with chime and counter-chime.
What SEEK they? Lo, upreared against the rock
The Sphinx, Time's visible silence, frontleted
With Psyche wings, with eagle plumes arched o'er.
Ah, when those EVERlasting LIPS unlock
And the old riddle of the world is read,
What shall man find? or SEEKs he EVERmore?
........................................................
Lo the three SEEKERs! Youth has sprung the first
To question the Unknown: but see! he sinks
Prone to the earth--becomes himself a sphinx,--
A riddle of early death no love may burst.
Sorely anhungered, heavily athirst
For knowledge, Manhood next to reach the TRUTH
Peers in those eyes; till haggard and uncouth
Weak Eld renews that question long rehearsed.
Oh! and what answer? From the sad sea brim
The eyes o' the Sphinx stare through the midnight spell,
Unwavering,--man's eternal quest to quell:
While round the rock-steps of her throne doth swim
Through the wind-serried wave the moon's faint rim,
Sole answer from the heaven invisible.
-----------------------------------------
> Teresa Schoeberl wrote HLAS:
> >
> > is there anybody in this group who can solve
> > some tricky crosswords referring to Shakespeare?
> >
> > Question: A fine poet, trained in Hamlet? (5 Letters)
> > Solution: Dante
> > Meaning/Explanation: ??????
.
Mark Cipra wrote back:
.
> If it's Dante Gabriel Rossetti ... well, he was a poet,
> and he did a painting of Hamlet.
.
Ignoto wrote:
> Dunno, is it a cryptic?
> The hamlet might=dane and "trained in" supplies the t.
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Train, v. t. [OF. trahiner, tra["i]ner,F. tra[^i]ner,
LL. trahinare, trainare, fr. L. trahere *TO DRAW* ]
1. *TO DRAW* along.
----------------------------------------------------------
Hamlet might=Dane AND DanTe supplies the T.
..........................................................
DanTe Gabriel Rossetti.Hamlet and Ophelia 1858.
http://www.tiny.cc/ioAOu
.
<<As Hamlet speaks he plucks at a *ROSE* with his right hand, & the
petals fall to the table as he unknowingly destroys these symbolic
flowers. His other arm rests on the back of the seat with his palm
facing the viewer; his outstretched arms thus duplicate the posture
of Christ on the CRUCIfix in the alcove above Ophelia's arm.>>
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<<On the back of the seat upon which Hamlet rests his right arm is a
carving of the Tree of Knowledge guarded by two angels with swords.
Placed vertically on either side of the Tree is an inscription,
*ERITIS SICUT DEUS, SCIENTES BONUM ET MALUM*
[You will be as a god, knowing both good and evil],
a slightly altered quotation from Genesis 3:5, where the
word is "dii" rather than "deus" ["You will be as gods"].
Wound about the Tree is the serpent, but here he wears a crown,
reminding us pointedly of the ghost's words to Hamlet:
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"But know, thou noble youth, /
The serpent that did sting thy father's life /
Now wears his crown" (I.v).
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The Tree is an especially fitting image for Hamlet,
whose obsessive purpose in the play is to gain knowledge
of his father's death and his uncle's part in it.>>
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Goethe, J.W. von. Faust. Part I, translated by Anna Swanwick.
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STUDENT: Ere I retire, one boon I must solicit:
HERE is my album, do not, Sir, deny
This token of your favour!
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MEPHISTOPHELES: WILLingly! (He writes and returns the book.)
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STUDENT (reads) *ERITIS SICUT DEUS, SCIENTES BONUM ET MALUM*
, [He rEVEREntly closes the book and retires.]
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MEPHISTOPHELES: Let but this ancient proVERb be your rule,
. My COUSIN follow still, the wily snake,
. And with your likeness to the gods, poor fool,
. Ere long be sure your poor sick heart *WILL QUAKE* !
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DanTe Gabriel Rossetti.Hamlet and Ophelia 1858.
http://www.tiny.cc/ioAOu
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<<The carving of the Tree is on the back of a misere with its seat
upturned. On the bottom of the seat is another carving with a scene
from the Old Testament. *II Samuel 6:6-7* tells the story of Uzzah, who
was transporting the Ark of the Covenant for King David. When the oxen
stumbled and Uzzah put out his hands to steady the cart, God struck him
dead when he touched the Ark. The situation is analogous to Ophelia's,
for she believes she is acting in Hamlet's best interests by obeying
her father's wishes in his attempt to plumb the cause of Hamlet's
distraction. The analogy is all the stronger when we note the
similarity in the posture of the arms of Uzzah and Ophelia.
Both are the unwitting victims of good intentions.>>
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Table of the Annotations in Edward de Vere's Geneva Bible
*II Samuel 6:6-7*
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Book |Chap|Verse|Verse Marks |
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II Samuel | 6 | 6-7 | U(R) |
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6-7 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put his
hand to the Ark of God, and held it: *for the OXEN did SHAKE it*
And the Lord was VERy wroth with Uzzah, and God smote him in
the same place for his fault, and there he died by the Ark of God.
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Mark Cipra wrote:
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>Fascinating stuff, but I don't see how it answers the question.
>Are you suggesting the painting was a training exercise
>for Rossetti? Or are you just trying to confuse her?
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Me...confuse!? You must be joking, Mark.
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Dante Gabriel Rossetti has clearly received good
*ROSICRUCIAN TRAIN-IN-G* such as on LILLIPUT:
..........................................
"They are *TRAINED IN* this Art from their Youth,
and are not always of noble Birth, or liberal Education."
. - A VOYAGE TO LILLIPUT by Jonathan Swift.
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Aristophanes. The Frogs, translated by B. B. Rogers.
...........................
Often has it crossed my fancy, that the city loves to deal
With the VERy best and noblest members of her commonwealth,
Just as with our ancient coinage, and the newly-minted GOLD.
Yea, for these, our sterling pieces, all of pure Athenian mould,
All of perfect die and metal, all the fairest of the fair,
All of workmanship unequalled, proved and valued EVERywhere
Both amongst our own Hellenes and Barbarians far away,
These we use not: but the worthless pinchbeck coins of yesterday,
Vilest die and basest metal, now we always use instead.
Even so, our sterling townsmen, nobly born and nobly bred,
Men of worth and rank and mettle, men of honourable FAME,
*TRAINED IN EVERy* liberal science, choral dance, and manly game,
These we treat with scorn and insult, but the strangers newliest come,
Worthless sons of worthless fathers, pinchbeck townsmen, yellowy scum,
Whom in earlier days the city hardly would have stooped to use
Even for her scapegoat victims, these for EVERy task we choose.
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*SINCLAIR LEWIS* (1885-1951). Babbitt. Chapter XXX
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'Of course I'm not *TRAINED IN* metaphysics, and there was lots I
couldn't quite grasp, but I did feel it was inspiring. And she speaks
so readily. I do think you ought to have got something out of it.'
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Goethe, J.W. von. Faust. Part I, translated by Anna Swanwick.
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MEPHISTOPHELES: We heard erewhile, unless I'm wrong,
. Voices well *TRAINED IN* chorus pealing?
. Certes, most choicely HERE must song
. *Re-ECHO* from this vaulted ceiling!
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. As You Like It Act 1, Scene 1
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ORLANDO: I will not, till I please: you shall hear me.
. My father charged you in his will to give me good
education: you have *TRAINED* me like a peasant,
obscuring and hiding from me all gentleman-like
qualities. The spirit of my father grows strong in
me, and I will no longer endure it: therefore allow
me such exercises as may become a gentleman, or
give me the poor allottery my father left me by
testament; with that I will go buy my fortunes.
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. King Richard III Act 5, Scene 3
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RATCLIFF: That he was nEVER *TRAINED* up in arms.
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The Cenci (RAGS in Italian) was a verse drama by Percy Bysshe Shelley
written in the summer of 1819, and inspired by a real Italian family,
the Cencis (in particular, Beatrice Cenci). The play was considered
unperformable in its day due to its theme of incest, and was not
performed in London until 1922. Other works titled "The Cenci" include
a true crime story by Alexandre Dumas and a novella by Stendhal.
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The Cenci. Act II Scene II Percy Bysshe Shelley
. A Chamber in the Vatican.
Enter *CAMILLO* and GIACOMO, in conversation
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*CAMILLO* : There is an obsolete and doubtful law
By which you might obtain a bare provision
Of food and clothing?
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Giacomo: Nothing more? Alas!
Bare must be the provision which strict law
Awards, and aged, sullen avarice pays.
Why did my father not apprentice me
To some mechanic trade? I should have then
Been *TRAINED IN* no highborn necessities
Which I could meet not by my daily toil.
The eldest son of a rich nobleman
Is heir to all his incapacities;
He has wide wants, and narrow powers. If you,
Cardinal *CAMILLO* , were reduced at once
From thrice-driven beds of down, and delicate food,
An hundred servants, and six palaces,
To that which nature doth indeed require??
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. The Winter's Tale Act 1, Scene 1
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*CAMILLO* : Sicilia cannot show himself over-kind to Bohemia.
They were *TRAINED* together in their childhoods; and
there rooted betwixt them then such an affection,
which cannot choose but branch now. Since their
more mature dignities and royal necessities made
separation of their society, their encounters,
though not personal, have been royally attorneyed
with interchange of gifts, letters, loving
embassies; that they have seemed to be together,
though absent, shook hands, as over a vast, and
embraced, as it were, from the ends of opposed
winds. The heavens continue their loves!
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Art Neuendorffer
Art Neuendorffer
> >
> > I personally find Shakspere too bland to be believable
> > but Marlowe is far too romantic.
nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> Now *there's* a convincing argument!
Thanks.
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nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> Why isn't Wallace Stevens "too bland to be believable," Art?
>
but did not complete a degree at, Harvard, after which he moved to New
York City and briefly worked as a journalist. He then attended New York
Law School, graduating in 1903. On a trip back to Reading in 1904
Stevens met Elsie Viola Kachel; after a long courtship, he married her
in 1909. In 1913, the young couple rented a New York City apartment
from sculptor Adolph A. Weinman, who made a bust of Elsie. (Her
striking profile was later used on Weinman's 1916-1945 Mercury dime
design and possibly for the head of the Walking Liberty Half Dollar.)
After working for several New York law firms from 1904 to 1907, Stevens
was hired on January 13, 1908 as a lawyer for the American Bonding
Company. By 1914 he had become the vice-president of the New York
Office of the Equitable Surety Company of St. Louis, Missouri. When
this job was abolished as a result of mergers in 1916, he joined the
home office of Hartford Accident and Indemnity Company and left New
York City to live in Hartford, where he would remain the rest of his
life. By 1934, he had been named vice-president of the company.>>
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Because my grandfather (Freemason) R.C. Neuendorffer was the
vice-president of the New York Office of the Guardian Life Insurance
Company from 1908 to 1947:
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www.tiny.cc/38aoh
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How could a Neuendorffer be "too bland to be believable," Dave?
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A.C. Neuendorffer
Art Neuendorffer
> >
> > The real author must be highly educated
nordicskiv2 wrote:
>
> With all those factual gaffes in the canon?!
> Not VERy likely.
. Ulysses - James Joyce
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THE GAFFER ( Crouches, his voice twisted in his SNOUT .) And when
Cairns came down from the scaffolding in BEAVER Street what was he
after doing it into only into the bucket of porter that was there
waiting on the shavings for Derwan's plasterers.
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Adventures of Robin Hood - Howard Pyle
Then, as the yeomen ran to do their master's bidding, Tuck turned to
one of the mock friars. "Hearest thou our master?" quoth he with a sly
WINK. "Whenever he cometh across some poor piece of wit he straightway
layeth it on the shoulders of this GAFFER SWANthold -- whoever he may
be -- so that the poor goodman goeth traveling about with all the odds
and ends and tags and rags of our master's brain packed on his back."
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Art Neuendorffer