William Shakespeare's collaborations

[marco]

if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers

If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations

marc

[marco]

if Bacon, or de Vere, wanted to remain anonymous,
why not just let Fletcher or Middleton,
have their name only as the author...

why would he also need/want Shakespeare's name,
to remain anonymous?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations

marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>
>
>
>
>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so
>

> Elizabeth writes:
>
> Bacon did not collaborate, except in the sense that
>
> Jonson was Bacon's editor of the First Folio and
>
> thereby contributed some fine original poetry for
>
> the Frontmatter to which Jonson put his name.
>
> Bacon and Jonson were made for each other,
>
> in the sense that they were both very fond of
>
> the naughty jeste.
>
> There is no way that Jonson or Bacon would
>
> have collaborated with the Stratford Broker, my
>
> god, the poor guy could not even write his name.
>
> Type "Delahoyde" and look at the Professor's
>
> collection of Shappere's barbaric signatures.
>
> My favorite Shakespeare signature is the one
>
> in which he stops the quill cold, you can just
>
> see him agonizing over whether the "a" follows
>
> the "e" in "speare." The Strats are good at rolling
>
> out the rote re: Shakespeare's education at various
>
> Stratford schools, but John Shakespeare's occupations
>
> were sort of catch as catch can, he certainly spent
>
> much time on local representative bodies in Stratford
>
> but I think the Court of Baron's ruling probably left
>
> John and his family without much income. Hopefully
>
> John Shappere was not imprisoned but I assume
>
> the Court of Barons made rulings and decreed
>
> sentencing. In my humble opinion, John Shappere
>
> was the best of the lot, times were very tough,
>
> he did the best for his family that he could.
>
> Elizabeth writes . . .
>
> I'm not worried about Shappere's education,
>
> I'm only concerned with Western culture sucking
>
> up literary fabrications about this non-personage,
>
> on the other hand, I doubt if Western culture will
>
> every be able to divest itself of its fixation to that
>
> Freudian name.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[Paul Crowley]

On 29/04/2013 05:14, marco wrote:

> if Bacon, or de Vere, wanted to remain anonymous,
> why not just let Fletcher or Middleton,
> have their name only as the author...
>
> why would he also need/want Shakespeare's name,
> to remain anonymous?

All your questions have been answered here (and
in Oxfordian books). And you could probably
find the answer yourself with a little thought.

Here -- if you were the greatest writer of all time,
would you be happy seeing the credit for all
your work being diverted to someone else?

The beauty of the ascription to the illiterate
yeoman was that only the foolish, uneducated
and ill-informed, who had (and still have) almost
no grasp of Elizabethan literature, nor of Early
Modern society, would be inclined to accept
such a proposition.

Of course, they then formed the great bulk of
society (as they still do) but if they had known
what the plays were really about (or who the
true author was) they would never have allowed
them to be published. As it is, they see and
understand them as 'stories' -- mere harmless
entertainments for the masses -- so everyone
gets exactly what they can take, and exactly
what they deserve.


Paul.

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:

> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>

> Elizabeth writes:
>
> As a very enthusiastic Shakespeare Denier, I can
>
> attest that Bacon had nothing to do with this
>
> Elizabethan bozo.

>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more
>

> complicated to do so.
>
>
> Again, the only question is which Elizabethan author
>
> produced the First Folio. The empty-headed academics
>
> (and WHAT is going on with the University of Cambridge
>
> Has the University of Cambridge Press gone
>
> quite, quite, mad?) My worst fear is that the academics
>
> who propose to seize Bacon's works (the First Folio)
>
> will NEGLECT the front matter of the 16th c. First Folio,
>
> so much is embedded within the front matter, including
>
> verses by Ben Jonson, some of his very best. An example
>
> of what these academics will overlook is the fact that
>
> the Stratford Broker was not "gentle." In one of Jonson's
>
> verses, he neglects to praise Shappere as "gentle" but
>
> Jonson does refer to Bacon as "gentle" in another verse.
>
> Well, I didn't devise the English class system, I'm just
>
> writing a post about Jonson's editing of Bacon's
>
> thirty-six magnificent plays.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 3:54:23 AM UTC-7, Paul Crowley wrote:
> On 29/04/2013 05:14, marco wrote:
>
>
>
> > if Bacon, or de Vere, wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> > why not just let Fletcher or Middleton,
>
> > have their name only as the author...
>
> >
>
> > why would he also need/want Shakespeare's name,
>
> > to remain anonymous?
>

> > Elizabeth notes: Bacon's comical image is on
>
> > the cover of the First Folio. Sometimes the
>
> > Droeshout engraving includes two or three
>
> > masks, one on top of the other, indicated by
>
> > three black lines. There is some variation in
>
> > the Droeshout engraving which may be
>
> > explained by the fact that the Younger was
>
> > too inexperienced so the Elder Droeshout was
>
> > brought in to finish the job.
>
> > It really is a marvelous jeste, it shows how
>
> > willing Bacon was to be a comedian.

>
> All your questions have been answered here (and
>
> in Oxfordian books). And you could probably
>
> find the answer yourself with a little thought.
>
>
>
> Here -- if you were the greatest writer of all time,
>
> would you be happy seeing the credit for all
>
> your work being diverted to someone else?
>

> Well, in the case of the Droeshout engraving
>
> on the cover of the first printings of the First
>
> Folios, I think the answer has to be "yes."
>
> Bacon includes the intensifying of comical
>
> confusion on the First Folio cover, is the dummy
>
> William Shakespeare?
>
> Well, that may not be the case, since the only
>
> image we have of Will is that he was uglier than
>
> sinne, he had a face like Thersites (it doesn't get
>
> worse than that) and hair like a horses mane.
>
> THAT is the only valid description we have of
>
> the Stratford Broker.

[marco]

>Here -- if you were the greatest writer of all time,
>would you be happy seeing the credit for all
>your work being diverted to someone else

if i understand you correctly, de Vere being the real author,
preferred to see Shakespeare & Fletcher get credit
for a particular play - rather than Fletcher alone?

if you think about it, it doesn't make much sense.

Not to mention, he supposedly let Shakespeare get
credit for a few plays, alone.

marc

[marco]

I had dream last night,
in which Elizabeth was trying to contact me...

marc

[jaelsheargold]

On Apr 29, 11:54 am, Paul Crowley <dsfdsfd...@sdfsfsfs.com> wrote:
> On 29/04/2013 05:14, marco wrote:
>
> > if Bacon, or de Vere, wanted to remain anonymous,
> > why not just let Fletcher or Middleton,
> > have their name only as the author...
>
> > why would he also need/want Shakespeare's name,
> > to remain anonymous?
>
> All your questions have been answered here (and
> in Oxfordian books).

Easily found - filed under fiction at your local library.


SB.

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:

> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>
>
>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so
>

> BACON never collaborated but his FIRST FOLIO was
>
> likely edited by Jonson since Droeshout was only
>
> the engraver. Jonson added some verses of his
>
> own in the Front Matter, Jonson was a highly
>
> regarded poet in his own right.
>
> To indicate that Shappere did not write the
>
> plays in Bacon's FIRST FOLIO, Jonson wrote
>
> a verse dedicated to Bacon in which Jonson
>
> injects the word . . . .
>
> "gentle."
>
> in order to descriminate between Bacon, a
>
> fine poet, and the illitterate broker from
>
> Stratford.
>
> I often wonder if academics and critics believe
>
> that Bacon's FIRST FOLIO was written by
>
> Shakespeare, I mean the guy could not write
>
> his own name, a total illiterate and one
>
> proud of the "empire of sinne" he had created
>
> in London. God knows it made him filthy rich.
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

Marc, Shakespeare would have had to be literate
>
> in order to collaborate on any works. He was
>
> not literate.

[marco]

so,
"your" author was ok with Shakespeare's name as the playwright,

but wasn't ok with Fletcher's name alone,
or Middleton's name alone, as the playwright...?

marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:27:13 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> so,
>
> "your" author was ok with Shakespeare's name as the playwright,
>

> My author, as you put it, was not referring to Shappere at
>
> all as Bacon had taken the name of Pallas Athene when only
>
> a twelve or thirteen year old at Cambridge University.
>
> Bacon swore an oath that he would rid England of ignorance,
>
> ust as Pallas Athene before him shook her spear at ignorance.
>
> but wasn't ok with Fletcher's name alone, As far as we know,
>
> the Stratford broker did not write any plays. We have a First
>
> Folio which spans the centuries from the 16th to the 21st,
>
> all the marvelous plays were written by Bacon, Jonson contributed
>
> some elegant poetry, beautifully done, to the Front Matter of
>
> the First Folio. And yes, there was only one First Folio, Bacon's.
>
> So if you can locate SHAkespeare's First Folio with HIS plays, you'll
>
> make history, you'll be rich, you'll be a celebrity, the only problem
>
> is that Shappere wrote nothing, he couldn't write, he was illiterate,
>
> he never wrote a play.
>
> So what I relish is the fact that Bacon COMPLETED thirty six plays,
>
> plays that have been played for over four centuries, going on
>
> now five centuries.
>
> Where in H E C K are Shappere's plays? I've never seen one.
>
> And by the way, I've just elucidated the problem that
>
> the Cambridge University Press is having, Bacon wrote plays,
>
> Shappere wrote nothing, he couldn't write his own name.

[marco]

Art is busy masturbating, spreading his sperm - I mean spam

Elizabeth is watching,
and trying to make contact with anyone who will listen

what a world, what a drama

marc

[marco]

again -
assuming "your" author wanted to remain anonymous,
why not just let Middleton or Fletcher, or Peele be known as the sole author?

why complicate any anonymity you have, by adding Shakespeare's name?

[denying the existence of Shakespeare takes so much work]

marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 7:04:12 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> >Here -- if you were the greatest writer of all time,
>
> >would you be happy seeing the credit for all
>
> >your work being diverted to someone else
>
>
>
> if i understand you correctly, de Vere being the real author,
>
> preferred to see Shakespeare & Fletcher get credit
>
> for a particular play - rather than Fletcher alone?
>

> De Vere wasn't the "real author." Oxford was
>
> very rarely in London since his father-in-law,
>
> William Cecil, Lord Burghley, had bestowed literally
>
> hundreds of thousands of acres of land on Oxford,
>
> which had been granted by Oxford's mother, Elizabeth
>
> Tudor with Burghley acting as the anonymous grantor.

>
> Not to mention, he supposedly let Shakespeare get
>
> credit for a few plays, alone.
>

> You can search all the archives in England and you
>
> will NEVER locate a play written by Shakespeare for
>
> the simple reason that he never wrote a single play.
>
> Think about it, Bacon's FIRST FOLIO was published
>
> four centuries ago, not a single play in the F.F. was
>
> written by Shakespeare because The Broker was illiterate.
>
> Couldn't write his own damn name. When I saw the
>
> announcement that the Cambridge University Press
>
> along with the airhead academics were going to
>
> make Shakespeare Shakespeare for once and for all,
>
> I instantly understood that they would have to get
>
> into a time machine and travel back four hundred
>
> years.
>
>
> Here's the problem, Bacon wrote THIRTY-SIX play
>
> for his FIRST FOLIO, Shappere wrote nothin'. There
>
> is NO Shakespeare FIRST FOLIO. Not in four hundred
>
> years. Shakespeare was illiterate, he couldn't read
>
> even his own name, check out Delahoyde's webpage
>
> in which Shappere starts to write his name but he
>
> can't remember what comes after Shakespe. That's
>
> as far as he got, so I'm sitting in front of the monitor
>
> cheering Shakespe on, yelling "a" it's "a" for godsake
>
> it's an "a."
>
> To view Prof. Delahoyde's collection of Shappere's
>
> brutally barbaric STABS at writing his own name,
>
> type Delahoyde + Shakespeare in a search engine.
>
>
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Friday, May 3, 2013 6:25:58 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> Art is busy masturbating, spreading his sperm - I mean spam
>

> You're not funny, marco. You need to leave this forum
>
> and find some other forum.
>
> I don't like porn, and I don't like you, if you keep pestering
>
> me I will email Google.

[Robin G.]

On May 4, 12:07 am, "neonprose @ gmail.com" <neonpr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Monday, April 29, 2013 7:04:12 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> > >Here -- if you were the greatest writer of all time,
>
> > >would you be happy seeing the credit for all
>
> > >your work being diverted to someone else
>
> > if i understand you correctly, de Vere being the real author,
>
> > preferred to see Shakespeare & Fletcher get credit
>
> > for a particular play - rather than Fletcher alone?
>
> > De Vere wasn't the "real author."  Oxford was
>
> > very rarely in London since his father-in-law,
>
> > William Cecil, Lord Burghley, had bestowed literally
>
> > hundreds of thousands of acres of land on Oxford,
>
> > which had been granted by Oxford's mother, Elizabeth
>
> > Tudor with Burghley acting as the anonymous grantor.
>
>

Elizabeth, When will you understand, Elizabeth Tudor WAS NOT DE
VERE'S MOTHER AND SHE WAS NOT BACON'S MOTHER?

[Robin G.]

On May 4, 12:13 am, "neonprose @ gmail.com" <neonpr...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Friday, May 3, 2013 6:25:58 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> > Art is busy masturbating, spreading his sperm - I mean spam
>
> > You're not funny, marco.  You need to leave this forum
>
> > and find some other forum.
>
> > I don't like porn, and I don't like you, if you keep pestering
>
> > me I will email Google.
>

YOU HAVE BEEN TOLD MANY TIMES, GOOGLE DOES NOT CONTROL THIS SITE!
WHAT A PITY THERE ISN'T A PLACE TO REPORT YOU ARE AN IDIOT!

[marco]

Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Macbeth: V, v
An idiot holds his bauble for a god Titus Andronicus: V, i
Whiles others play the idiots in her eyes! Toilus and Cressida: III, iii
What's here? the portrait of a blinking idiot, Merchant of Venice: II, ix
That slender, though well landed, is an idiot; Merry Wives of Windsor: IV, iv
Of idiot worshippers, here's a letter for thee. Toilus and Cressida: V, i
Mars his idiot! do, rudeness; do, camel; do, do. Toilus and Cressida: II, i
Making that idiot, laughter, keep men's eyes King John: III, iii
Know this letter will make a contemplative idiot of Twelfth Night: II, v
For idiots in this case of favour would Cymbeline: I, vi
idiot, patch! The Comedy of Errors: III, i


marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:

> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>

> Elizabeth writes . . . put me down as the leading
>
> Shakespeare denier. Too much myth has grown up
>
> around this character in the past four centuries,
>
> For example, the academics who staged the
>
> Shakespeare webinar didn't seem to realize that
>
> Shakespeare didn't write any plays. So how are
>
> they to seize the Shakespeare plays if they simply
>
> do not exist?
>
> It is interesting that the webinar fell apart before
>
> anything could be decided by the Cambridge University
>
> Press.
>
> Here's where it stands: Ironically, Cambridge University
>
> was Bacon's alma mater. Another coincidence is that
>
> Cambridge University Press is housed at BUNEL. The
>
> Francis Bacon collection, meaning Bacon's books, papers,
>
> and the one First Folio which is now valued at 90,000
>
> English pounds and in addition there are some original
>
> manuscripts of the thirty-six plays in Bacon's hand.
>
> Some of the memorabilia applies only to the stage and
>
> Bacon's plays, for example, one of the most interesting
>
> works is a translation by Bacon's cousin, Sir Thomas Hoby,
>
> of Castiglione's The Courtier, the very book that Hamlet
>
> is carrying around in the play. So there's another reason
>
> to doubt that Shappere wrote any part of "his" works.
>
>
> If you take a look at Bacon's FIRST FOLIO, you will
>
> find that Bacon wrote the Comedies, Tragedies and
>
> Histories.
>
> Jonson supplied ravishing poetry for the fronticepiece
>
> of Bacon's First Folio, Droeshout the Elder etched the
>
> comical doublet which spells out B A C O N in
>
> the braid and collar of the doublet. The First Folio
>
> image is that of Bacon, Droeshout engraved Bacon to
>
> the life.
>
> Shappere could not write his own name. Type in
>
> Delahoyde on "Shakespeare's signatures" and see
>
> that Shakespeare simply could not write his own
>
> name, or for that matter, even spell it, he stops
>
> cold when he's trying to write Shakespe . . . that's
>
> as far as he gets.
>
> Delahoyde is a professor at Washington
>
> State University.
>
> I give Delahoyde credit for facing down the
>
> Strats who apparently will never give up believing
>
> nonsense.
>
> Here's another concern. Bacon with the help of
>
> his friend and scribe Jonson, wrote thirty-six plays
>
> and had them bound in Bacon's FIRST FOLIO.
>
> After Droeshout the Younger flubbed up, his
>
> uncle, I believe, Droeshout the Elder, took over
>
> the engraving of the First Folio.
>
> So my question to Strats is "where is Shappere's
>
> First Folio," he apparently didn't have one and
>
> at what point in his career did Shappere write his first
>
> play?
>
> I would like to know the name of Shappere's first
>
> play.
>
> This guy, with his erotic surname, did not write
>
> plays, he may have been an actor for a time but
>
> so what.

>
>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more
>

> complicated to do so.
>
> Bacon didn't require a collaborator, Bacon was a genius,
>
> one of the few geniuses that then-backward England
>
> produced. I don't want to stint Jonson, he was a
>
> wonderful poet, a loyal friend, and he took the
>
> editorial responsibility for the first First Folio, and
>
> in addition contributed a long verse of his own,
>
> and yes, he was a phenomenal poet in his own right.
>
> There are entire websites online which focus on the
>
> frontmatter of the First Folio and nothing else.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
> Does that answer the question "did William Shakespeare
>
> ever produce a single play?" It's been four centuries since
>
> Shappere died at Stratford (a tourist trap since the era of
>
> Jefferson and Adams) I read the book, they were sickened
>
> by what they found in Stratford, and btw, Shakespeare
>
> was not born in the house that as an adult he himself
>
> built. So New Place is just as phony as everything else.
>
>
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 7:05:30 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> I had dream last night,
>
> in which Elizabeth was trying to contact me...
>

> Dream on . . .
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 3:54:23 AM UTC-7, Paul Crowley wrote:

> On 29/04/2013 05:14, marco wrote:
>
>
>
> > if Bacon, or de Vere, wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> > why not just let Fletcher or Middleton,
>
> > have their name only as the author...
>

> > Well, this goes back to Bacon's term at Cambridge
>
> > University when he was just a young kid. When
>
> > traveling on the Continent, Bacon saw a marble
>
> > panorama of Pallas Athene, chopping up the
>
> > Serpent of Ignorance into little chunks and at
>
> > that point in his young life he was determined
>
> > to take Pallas Athene as his aegis and dedicate
>
> > himself, like Athene to stamp out ignorance,
>
> > in Bacon's case ignorance in England (and there
>
> > was overwhelming ignorance in the England of
>
> > that era, Shappere being a handy example).
>
> >
>
> > Why would he also need/want Shakespeare's name,
>
> > to remain anonymous?
>
> > Bacon did not "need" Shakespeare's name he
>
> > had Athene's name. Bacon did more than
>
> > any Englishman to create literacy in England.

>
> >
>
> >
>
> All your questions have been answered here (and
>
> in Oxfordian books). And you could probably
>
> find the answer yourself with a little thought.
>
>
>
> Here -- if you were the greatest writer of all time,
>
> would you be happy seeing the credit for all
>
> your work being diverted to someone else?
>

> Who divered what to whom? Bacon was a
>
> playwright and we have evidence of that
>
> in Basil Blair's book on the Gray's Inn Revels.
>
> Bacon is seated (this really happened) at a
>
> table in front of the stage, the room is so
>
> packed with Gray's Inn members that the
>
> women are complaining about their skirts
>
> being crushed.
>
> Bacon is scribbling Comedy of Errors as fast
>
> as he can, passing the pages to the actors
>
> on stage. One of the requirements of Errors
>
> is that it calls for three horses to be taken
>
> onstage, a malt horse, a draft horse and a
>
> third horse, probably a saddle horse, that
>
> Bacon borrowed from his uncle.

>
> Paul? writes:
>
> The beauty of the ascription to the illiterate
>
> yeoman was that only the foolish, uneducated
>
> and ill-informed, who had (and still have) almost
>
> no grasp of Elizabethan literature, nor of Early
>
> Modern society, would be inclined to accept
>
> such a proposition.
>
>
>
>
>
> Of course, they then formed the great bulk of
>
> society (as they still do) but if they had known
>
> what the plays were really about (or who the
>
> true author was) they would never have allowed
>
> them to be published. As it is, they see and
>
> understand them as 'stories' -- mere harmless
>
> entertainments for the masses -- so everyone
>
> gets exactly what they can take, and exactly
>
> what they deserve.
>

> Well, Paul, if Oxford wrote a folio of thirty-six
>
> plays, I would enjoy reading every page of it.
>
>
>
>
>
> Paul.

[marco]

[marco]

Paul Crowley wrote:
"Here -- if you were the greatest writer of all time,
would you be happy seeing the credit for all
your work being diverted to someone else? "

that's a good point creepy

i agree with you here

marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:

> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>

> The CANON is Bacon's First Folio which contains
>
> thirty-six marvelous plays. Shappere wrote nothing,
>
> he was perfectly illiterate, he could not spell his own
>
> damn name! See Prof. Delahoyde of Washington State
>
> University's webpage which displays the ignorance
>
> and illiteracy of this misbegotten panderer. It gags
>
> me just to think of it.

>
> > If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more
>

> complicated to do so.
>
> Bacon did not collaborate on the First Folio. The Strats
>
> have proceeded, over the centuries, to simply steal
>
> Bacon's luminous plays. The Strats are play thieves,
>
> they take what they want and reattribute it to the
>
> Stratford fool.
>
>
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 7:05:30 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:

> I had dream last night,
>
> in which Elizabeth was trying to contact me...
>

> Dream on . . . .
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 12:15:04 PM UTC-7, jaelsheargold wrote:
> On Apr 29, 11:54 am, Paul Crowley <dsfdsfd...@sdfsfsfs.com> wrote:
>
> > On 29/04/2013 05:14, marco wrote:
>
> >
>
> > > if Bacon, or de Vere, wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> > > why not just let Fletcher or Middleton,
>
> > > have their name only as the author...
>

> > > Bacon needed/wanted the pseudonym Shakespeare
>
> > > since he was a twelve or thirteen year old studying
>
> > > at Cambridge. Bacon had been to the Continent
>
> > > where he saw a statute of Pallas Athene atop the
>
> > >capitol on some public building with Athene killing
>
> > > the Serpent of Ignorance with her sword. At that
>
> > > point, when only a kid, Bacon took a vow to Athene
>
> > > to stamp out ignorance in the British Isles, he would
>
> > > accomplish this by writing plays, the public would
>
> > > see the plays and buy the quartos, thus recalling
>
> > > the plays as they read. Bacon had a lot of determination,
>
> > > he understood that without literacy, the English would
>
> > > never come even with the level of literacy on the
>
> > > Continent.

>
> > > why would he also need/want Shakespeare's name,
>
> > > to remain anonymous?
>

> > > Shakespeare had nothing to do with it, it was just
>
> > > a fluke that this rube made his way to London. He
>
> >> wrote nothing, he could not even write his own name,
>
> > > (see Prof. Delahoyde's examples) things were fine
>
> > > until Stratfordianism reared its silly head due to
>
> > > the overtly Freudian nature of Shakespeare's name.

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Friday, May 3, 2013 4:35:51 AM UTC-7, neonprose @ gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:27:13 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
>
> > so,
>
> >
>
> > "your" author was ok with Shakespeare's name as the playwright,
>
> >
>
> > My author, as you put it, was not referring to Shappere at
>
> >
>
> > all as Bacon had taken the name of Pallas Athene when only
>
> >
>
> > a twelve or thirteen year old at Cambridge University.
>
> >
>
> > Bacon swore an oath that he would rid England of ignorance,
>
> >
>

> > just as Pallas Athene before him shook her spear at ignorance.

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Friday, May 3, 2013 6:25:58 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:

> Art is busy masturbating, spreading his sperm - I mean spam
>

> YOU ARE SICK. IMMEDIATELY SEEK HELP. SOMETHING IS
>
> TERRIBLY WRONG WITH YOU THAT YOU WOULD WRITE THAT
>
> IN A PUBLIC FORUM JUST TO GET ATTENTION.
>
> DO NOT EVER POST TO ME AGAIN.

[marco]

could Elizabeth actually be -
the illiterate boob Art Neanderthal, in disguise?

marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>

> Well, starting with the fact that he could not write his
>
> own name or even any part of it, I doubt that Shappere
>
> collaborated on anything, it seems that LITERACY is
>
> a requirement for writing plays. This guy was a panderer,
>
> that is a fact, I don't know why we're even discussing
>
> this personage.

>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more
>

> complicated to do so. Elizabeth writes:
>
> All thirty-six plays (comedies, histories, tragedies) in
>
> the First Folio were written by Bacon. Jonson, a
>
> robust and wonderful poet, contributed the Front Matter.
>
> As far as Bacon wanting to remain anonymous, he
>
> did do much of his writing at a suite of rooms set aside
>
> for Bacon at Gray's Inn (The Inns of Court). He kept
>
> the same room looking out at the Gray's Inn Court
>
> Yard, he had contributed forty trees to Grays which
>
> were in the Yard but sadly all but four trees
>
> blew down in a rare hurricane. Oddly, all four trees
>
> are still standing but the rest had to be cut down.
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
> What does that mean?
>
> marc

> What, collaborations? I can only assume that Shappere couldn't
>
> spell his own name (well that's apparent on Prof. Delahoyde's
>
> website which establishes for once and for all that this
>
> panderer was wholly illtierate). As far as I know, no collaborators
>
> came forward to make fools of themselves, Bacon certainly
>
> had no contact with Shappere, Jonson simply despised him.

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>
>
>

> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more
>
> complicated to do so.
>

> Bacon was a rare genius, he did not require collaboration.
>
> Shappere couldn't write his own name, he required
>
> some penman to write down his scintillating lines
>
> (I'm kidding).
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>

> Did you remember to add me to the list of Shakespeare
>
> deniers? I'd be proud to be on that list (how does
>
> one go about denying a corpse that's been rotting
>
> for more than four centuries? I suppose I could
>
> look it up).

>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more
>
> complicated to do so
>

> The only collaboration that I know of is the rush to complete
>
> the First Folio. Jonson did the heavy lifting, Bacon edited
>
> and corrected the thirty-eight plays.
>
> The problem four hundred years later, is that the Strats
>
> have nothing in the way of plays to credit to the Stratford
>
> Broker. Shakespeare apparently just neglected to
>
> write thirty-eight comedies, histories and tragedies
>
> and forgot to have them printed in a folio.
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Tuesday, April 30, 2013 10:27:13 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:

> so,
>
> "your" author was ok with Shakespeare's name as the playwright,
>

> Any Elizabethan who was familiar with Bacon would see that
>
> the engraving on the cover of the First Folio was Bacon's image.
>
> Apparently something has been cut off here . . .

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Friday, May 3, 2013 6:25:58 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
>
>

> It's really a pleasure to edit your post, thanks to Google
>
> for making it possible. On the other hand I sense that
>
> you are double-tasking, watching porn and harassing
>
> women in HLAS.
>
>
>
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>

> Bacon's only collaborator was Ben Jonson, they compiled
>
> the First Folio with it's thirty-eight magnificent works,
>
> and the damnable Strats have been claiming those works
>
> for their illiterate broker ever since. I mean, the guy was
>
> illiterate and if you don't believe me read Mark Twain's
>
> marvelous book "IS SHAKESPEARE DEAD?" I don't wish
>
> Shakespeare dead (well, he's been dead for going on
>
> five hundred years) but the facts and myths that surround
>
> him are veritably deadening.

>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more
>

> complicated to do so. Bacon and Jonson collaborated on
>
> the First Folio, Bacon writing the plays, Jonson editing the
>
> plays and providing some phenomenal poetry for the
>
> Front Matter.
>
> The only thing that the stupid Webinar accomplished was
>
> to show that the Stratford Broker NEVER WROTE A SINGLE
>
> PLAY. They're not shouting that from the rooftops but
>
> they couldn't come up wiih one single title so they
>
> were stuck with repeating themselves. Only Sir Stnaley Wells
>
> was forthcoming, he divulged to the viewers that Bacon
>
> wrote Hamlet, and that, folks is an historical fact. BAcon
>
> wrote history's favorite play and thirty seven others,
>
> didn't make him any money but it has entertained the
>
> masses for centuries on end.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>

> The FIRST FOLIO didn't require any collaborators,
>
> it was compiled and written by Jonson and Bacon.

>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more
>
> complicated to do so.
>

> I'm trying to get back to Game of Chess because I
>
> just realized that the player identified as Jonson was
>
> in fact NOT Jonson, it was William of Stratford who
>
> has always been described as having a face like
>
> Thersites and hair like a horses' mane. The guy
>
> seated across from Bacon, who is just getting
>
> ready to take his opponent's pawn, is not Jonson,
>
> it's Shakespeare. Even in the 16th century they
>
> must have been publicly seen as rivals, Shakespeare
>
> never wrote a single play but he must have been
>
> a fabulous braggart. Ironically, the only "Shakespeare
>
> works are compiled in Bacon (and Jonson's First Folio_.
>
>
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
> William Shakespeare may have collaborated with Heminges and
>
> Condell but he didn't collaborate with Bacon or Jonson on the
>
> Shakespeare plays.
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:14:22 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if Bacon, or de Vere, wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> why not just let Fletcher or Middleton,
>
> have their name only as the author...
>
>
>

> why would he also need/want Shakespeare's name,
>
> to remain anonymous?
>
>
>
>
>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 4:23:29 AM UTC-7, neon...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, April 29, 2013 3:54:23 AM UTC-7, Paul Crowley wrote:

>
> > On 29/04/2013 05:14, marco wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > > if Bacon, or de Vere, wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> >
>
> > > why not just let Fletcher or Middleton,
>
> >
>
> > > have their name only as the author...
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > why would he also need/want Shakespeare's name,
>
> >
>
> > > to remain anonymous?
>
> >
>

> > > Elizabeth notes: Bacon's comical image is on
>
> >
>
> > > the cover of the First Folio. Sometimes the
>
> >
>
> > > Droeshout engraving includes two or three
>
> >
>
> > > masks, one on top of the other, indicated by
>
> >
>
> > > three black lines. There is some variation in
>
> >
>
> > > the Droeshout engraving which may be
>
> >
>
> > > explained by the fact that the Younger was
>
> >
>
> > > too inexperienced so the Elder Droeshout was
>
> >
>
> > > brought in to finish the job.
>
> >
>
> > > It really is a marvelous jeste, it shows how
>
> >
>
> > > willing Bacon was to be a comedian.

>
> >
>
> > All your questions have been answered here (and
>
> >
>

> > in Oxfordian books). And you could probably

>
> >
>
> > find the answer yourself with a little thought.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Here -- if you were the greatest writer of all time,
>
> >
>
> > would you be happy seeing the credit for all
>
> >
>
> > your work being diverted to someone else?
>
> >
>

> > Well, in the case of the Droeshout engraving
>
> >
>
> > on the cover of the first printings of the First
>
> >
>
> > Folios, I think the answer has to be "yes."
>
> >
>
> > Bacon includes the intensifying of comical
>
> >
>
> > confusion on the First Folio cover, is the dummy
>
> >
>
> > William Shakespeare?
>
> >
>
> > Well, that may not be the case, since the only
>
> >
>
> > image we have of Will is that he was uglier than
>
> >
>
> > sinne, he had a face like Thersites (it doesn't get
>
> >
>
> > worse than that) and hair like a horses mane.
>
> >
>
> > THAT is the only valid description we have of
>
> >
>
> > the Stratford Broker.

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>
>
>

> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so
>

> Elizabeth notes that Bacon did not collaborate, he wrote all
>
> the thirty-eight plays in his (and Jonson's) First Folio on his own.
>
> The biggest boondoggle in history is the myth that Shakespeare
>
> the illiterate burgher from Stratford, wrote the so-called
>
> Shakespeare plays, the First Folio contains plays written solely
>
> by Francis Bacon with Jonson's phenomenal contribution of
>
> wonderful poetry in the Front Matter.
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Friday, May 3, 2013 6:25:58 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:

> Art is busy masturbating, spreading his sperm - I mean spam
>
>
>

> Elizabeth is watching,
>
> and trying to make contact with anyone who will listen
>
>
>
> what a world, what a drama
>
>
>
> marc

THAT'S NASTY. IT DOESN'T INVOLVE ME BUT YOU NEED

TO APOLOGIZE TO ART.

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Friday, May 3, 2013 6:25:58 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> Art is busy masturbating, spreading his sperm - I mean spam
>
>
>
> Elizabeth is watching,
>
> and trying to make contact with anyone who will listen
>
>
>
> what a world, what a drama
>

> OK, YOU'RE ON PERMANENT IGNORE AS FAR AS I'M
>
> CONCERNED. I don't like crudity, neither does Google,
>
> it's disruptive to this forum.
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>

> In fact, Marco, someone other than WS did write
>
> the Canon. For some reason I can't get through
>
> to the Strats that Bacon wrote ALL thirty-six plays
>
> in the 1623 First Folio. Jonson contributed wonderful
>
> verses to the Front Matter, sneaking in a "gentle"
>
> to alert the reader that Bacon was the gentleman,
>
> the Stratford Broker was not.
>
> It's depressing that the Strats grab Bacon's plays
>
> while attributing them to the illiterate broker who never
>
> completed a signature, wrote not a line from a play,
>
> never produced a quarto least of all a Folio.
>
> I am frankly sick of the Strats but I know I'm

>
> outnumbered. marco, I guess, writes:
>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so
>

> Bacon collaborated with Jonson on the First Folio, keeping their
>
> literary genres separate. Jonson produced the frontmatter filled
>
> with his luminous verses, Bacon wrote the thirty six Shakespeare
>
> plays, not one of the plays written by Shakespeare, Bacon took
>
> the name Shakespeare when thirteen at Cambridge, the Strats
>
> don't want to acknowledge that fact. If the Stratford Broker
>
> had written a play, I would certainly admit to it, but it didn't
>
> happen.
>
>
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>
>
>

> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more
>

> complicated to do so . . .
>
> Bacon didn't have to collaborate, he had control of
>
> his own plays in the 1623 First Folio. I can't imagine
>
> the superbly literate Bacon collaborating with a panderer
>
> who could not even spell his own name. The Strats
>
> don't want to hear this but it is a historical fact because
>
> we have his deeds, his contracts, his wills, all illegible
>
> in his hideously illiterate attempts at scribbling his own
>
> name.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

Elizabeth, another pertinent post, Marc, thanks.

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Friday, May 3, 2013 6:25:58 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> Art is busy masturbating, spreading his sperm - I mean spam
>
>
>
> Elizabeth is watching,
>
> and trying to make contact with anyone who will listen
>

> MARCO, TAKE THAT DOWN OR I WILL PUSH THE
>
> REPORT ABUSE BUTTON ABOVE.

>
> what a world, what a drama
>
>
>

> marc

[marco]

please press the abuse button

we could use the attention

marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 7:05:30 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> I had dream last night,
>
> in which Elizabeth was trying to contact me...
>

> Yes, I was trying to say that your bear, Teddy,
>
> fell under the bed, now go back to sleep little
>
> fellow.
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 7:04:12 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> >Here -- if you were the greatest writer of all time,
>
> >would you be happy seeing the credit for all
>
> >your work being diverted to someone else
>
>
>

> if i understand you correctly, de Vere being the real author,
>
> preferred to see Shakespeare & Fletcher get credit
>
> for a particular play - rather than Fletcher alone?
>
> Marco, you'll have to take up the question of Oxford's
>
> authorship with Art Neuendorffer, all I know is that
>
> Oxford and Bacon were brothers, the Queen had two
>
> sons (the name of a published book btw)
>
> if you think about it, it doesn't make much sense.
>
> What?
>
> Not to mention, he supposedly let Shakespeare get
>
> credit for a few plays, alone.
>
> Again, and try to process this thought . . . the
>
> Stratford Broker in Human Flesh, never wrote a
>
> play as far as we can determine. As far as Webb
>
> is concerned, it appears that Webb missed out
>
> on our discussion of Joseph Lenz, Dean of Drake
>
> University's book, on Shakespeare's disgusting
>
> means of making a living according to 16th century
>
> documents that Dean Lenz dug up in the Blackfriar's
>
> archives, one thing about the English, they are good
>
> preservationists, it's amazing that records re Shakespeare
>
> have been preserved at the Blackfriars all these centuries
>
> long. I wonder if any monastic orders were functioning
>
> at the Blackfriars, not long before Shappere arrived to
>
> make money from prostituting whores, there were three
>
> intact holy orders in the Blackfriars; the Grey Friars,
>
> the White Friars and the Blackfriars, all robed according
>
> to the colors of their respective orders.
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 7:05:30 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> I had dream last night,
>
> in which Elizabeth was trying to contact me...
>

> You're probably confusing me with your mother,
>
> try reading some Freud.
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>

> I've read that article on Wikipedia but it doesn't hold
>
> up beause Shakespare's so-called colleagues abadoned
>
> London to retire to the country to build fine estates,
>
> where they got the money, we can only speculate.

>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so
>
>

> Marc. The Stratford broker was illiterate, in fact I caught
>
> James Shapiiro, on his website, lauding Shakespeare for
>
> such and such play when the Broker could not even write
>
> his own signature. The guy was hopelessly illiterate so
>
> the Strats are left stealing plays from Bacon's 1623 First Folio.
>
> If I was forced to chose between Stratfordianism and
>
> Oxfordianism, I would chose the latter because Oxford was
>
> educated, the Stratford broker was an illiterate panderer.

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 9:14:22 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if Bacon, or de Vere, wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> why not just let Fletcher or Middleton,
>
> have their name only as the author...
>

> AGAIN, when Bacon was at Cambridge University,
>
> about thirteen or so years of age, he took the
>
> name of Pallas Athene the SPEAR SHAKER as his
>
> aegis. He dedicated himself to the end of his life
>
> to make the English literate via his publication of
>
> the plays in the 1623 First Folio (the English public
>
> loved plays) as well as printing cheap quartos so
>
> the lower class theatre goers could see the plays,
>
> pay a few pence for the quartos and go home and
>
> read the plays. Jonson was a great help in this
>
> project, he filled the front matter of Bacon's
>
> First Folio with marvelous poetry, the 1623 Folio
>
> is now going at Southeby's auction house for
>
> Ninety thousand pounds sterling. Too bad Bacon
>
> can't travel forward in time to collect the receipts.

>
> why would he also need/want Shakespeare's name,
>
> to remain anonymous?
>
>

> It's NOT Shakespeare's name, it the name of
>
> Pallas Athene, the Athenian Goddess who stands
>
> atop a capitol on a building in Athens,
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Monday, April 29, 2013 3:52:03 AM UTC-7, neon...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
>
> > if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> >
>
> > it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> >
>
> > Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> >
>
> > needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>
> >
>

> > THIS GUY DID NOT MATRICULATE THE FIRST GRADE,
>
> > WE HAVE HIS SIX ILLITERATE SIGNATURES THANKS TO
>
> > PROF. DELAHOUYDE AT WASHINGTON STATE UNIVERSITY.
>
> > THIS IS BAD RELIGION, AT LEAST THE ROMAN CATHOLICS
>
> > KNOW WHERE TO SET BOUNDARIES, THAT CHURCH IS
>
> > NOT INVOLVED IN THE CULT OF SHAPPERE, I DON'T KNOW
>
> > ABOUT THE ANGLICANS.
>
> >
>
> > BY THE WAY, IT APPEARS THAT THE OXFORDIANS HAVE
>
> > SIMPLY SNAGGED SEVENTEEN PLAYS FROM BACON AND
>
> > JONSON'S 1623 FIRST FOLIO, I STARTED LOOKING UP
>
> > THE TITLES BUT WAS DISTRACTED BY ART'S MENACING
>
> > GLANCES.

>
> > If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> >
>
> > it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so
>
> >
>

> > Elizabeth writes:
>
> >
>
> > Bacon did not collaborate, except in the sense that
>
> >
>
> > Jonson was Bacon's editor of the First Folio and
>
> >
>
> > thereby contributed some fine original poetry for
>
> >
>
> > the Frontmatter to which Jonson put his name.
>
> >
>
> > Bacon and Jonson were made for each other,
>
> >
>
> > in the sense that they were both very fond of
>
> >
>
> > the naughty jeste.
>
> >
>
> > There is no way that Jonson or Bacon would
>
> >
>
> > have collaborated with the Stratford Broker, my
>
> >
>
> > god, the poor guy could not even write his name.
>
> >
>
> > Type "Delahoyde" and look at the Professor's
>
> >
>
> > collection of Shappere's barbaric signatures.
>
> >
>
> > My favorite Shakespeare signature is the one
>
> >
>
> > in which he stops the quill cold, you can just
>
> >
>
> > see him agonizing over whether the "a" follows
>
> >
>
> > the "e" in "speare." The Strats are good at rolling
>
> >
>
> > out the rote re: Shakespeare's education at various
>
> >
>
> > Stratford schools, but John Shakespeare's occupations
>
> >
>
> > were sort of catch as catch can, he certainly spent
>
> >
>
> > much time on local representative bodies in Stratford
>
> >
>
> > but I think the Court of Baron's ruling probably left
>
> >
>
> > John and his family without much income. Hopefully
>
> >
>
> > John Shappere was not imprisoned but I assume
>
> >
>
> > the Court of Barons made rulings and decreed
>
> >
>
> > sentencing. In my humble opinion, John Shappere
>
> >
>
> > was the best of the lot, times were very tough,
>
> >
>
> > he did the best for his family that he could.
>
> >
>
> > Elizabeth writes . . .
>
> >
>
> > I'm not worried about Shappere's education,
>
> >
>
> > I'm only concerned with Western culture sucking
>
> >
>
> > up literary fabrications about this non-personage,
>
> >
>
> > on the other hand, I doubt if Western culture will
>
> >
>
> > every be able to divest itself of its fixation to that
>
> >
>
> > Freudian name.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>
>
>

> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so
>
>
>
>
>

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
> Uh, I should add a note here, in the Van Mander portrait entitled
>
> "Game of Chess" Bacon, the figure seated at the table wearing a
>
> red cape, is checkmating the Stratford Broker whose completion
>
> looks like it was run over with a hay rake, he has horrible pustules,
>
> apparently Van Mander was aware of this villain with half shares
>
> in the Blackfriar's whorehouse, the guy was nothing but a disease
>
> vector. And of course Bacon took the pawn and then "check mate."
>
> marc

PS, If I can find the link on Google Images, and so many former
>
> portraits have been taken down (by Google) I'll post some
>
> links to 16th century portraits.

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>

> Bacon and Jonson wrote the Shakespeare Canon,
>
> the title "Shakespeare" having nothing to do with
>
> the Illiterate Bard.

>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so
>

> Bacon (or whomever) did not care to remain anonymous,
>
> Bacon was a public figure, a great lawyer, he was brought
>
> down by Lord Edward Coke after Bacon impregnated Coke's
>
> wife, Lady Elizabeth Hatton, who presented Bacon with
>
> a beautiful daughter. This beautiful girl looked like Bacon
>
> and inherited his black hair and dark eyes.
>
> This, and this alone is the reason for Bacon's so-called "FALL."
>
> It was engineered by Coke, Bacon was not on the take but
>
> Coke arranged to make it seem so. Bacon's cousin the King,
>
> forgave Bacon's debts, James was a canny Scot, he loved
>
> Bacon's plays, if Bacon were in the Tower, there would be
>
> no plays at Court.
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
> Marc, get real, the Stratford Broker made no collaborations, he
>
> was illiterate, he failed to take care of his health, he died.
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>
>
>

> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so
>
>

> marco. Try to process the fact that the Stratford Broker wrote
>
> NOTHING. He struggled mightily to sign his own name but
>
> consequently failed. Didn't know how to SPELL IT! There's
>
> a plethora of jpgs online that PROVE that he got as far as
>
> "Shappe" then, exhausted by his effort, gave up.
>
> There are a MULTITUDE of English in the Elizabethan era
>
> that are very worthy of study, the illiterate Stratford
>
> Panderer isn't one of them. I mean we're neglecting
>
> Elizabeth Tudor as I write, she is certainly one of
>
> the most riveting female figures in English history,
>
> her cousin, Mary Queen of Scots comes in second.
>
> Elizabeth Tudor on the other hand was DECISIVE.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>
>
>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so
>

> Bacon didn't have a problem with collaboration, he had Jonson, together
>
> they completed Bacon's luminous plays, Jonson wrote some wonderful
>
> poetry for the Front Matter, I would love to go back to the 16th century
>
> and meet both of them, although I wonder if they could understand
>
> our English accents.
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, April 28, 2013 6:41:01 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> if someone other than WS wrote the canon,
>
> it would seem his name on titles, along with Fletcher,
>
> Middleton, and possibly Wilkins,
>
> needs some explanation from Shakespeare deniers
>

> DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT, THE STRATFORD BROKER DID
>
> NOT WRITE THE "CANON" REFERRING TO BACON'S
>
> THIRTY-SEVEN BRILLIANT PLAYS IN THE 1623 FIRST FOLIO.
>
> ALL WE KNOW ABOUT THE BROKER IS WHAT WE LEARNED
>
> WHILST READING LENZ AND SHAPIRO, THE BROKER
>
> OWNED BAWDY HOUSES IN THE BLACKFRIARS, HE
>
> WAS APPARENTLY TASTING HIS OWN WARES, GOT VERY
>
> SICK, WAS TAKEN BACK TO STRATFORD, DIED IN HIS BED.
>
> THE STRATS HAVE SO ...... AMPLIFIED.... THIS PANDERER
>
> I FIND IT DISGUSTING.
>
> BACON IS A S T U D Y, IN FOUR HUNDRED YEARS NOTHING
>
> NEW HAS BEEN NOTED ABOUT THE STRATFORD PANDERER.
>
> WELL, I'M DESCENDED FROM NEW ENGLAND PURITANS,
>
> I DO NOT APPROVE OF PROSTITUTION NOR DID BACON'S
>
> AUNTS WHO LIVED IN UPSCALE ESTATES IN BLACKFRIARS
>
> ONE AUNT HAD TO HAVE A TALL WOODEN FENCE CONSTRUCTED
>
> TO AVOID LOOKING AT SHAPPERE AND THE WAGES OF SINNE.

>
> If Bacon [or whomever] wanted to remain anonymous,
>
> it would seem, a collaboration, would make it more complicated to do so
>

> WHY WOULD BACON WANT TO REMAIN ANONYMOUS? HE SIGNED
>
> HIS NAME TO SOMETHING LIKE SIX HUNDRED BOOKS, AND OF COURSE
>
> MY MERELY WRITING THE ABOVE WILL SEND OUT PHEROMONES TO WEBB
>
> AND HE WILL BUZZ IN HERE AND START BRAYING LIKE AN ASS.
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Shakespeare's_collaborations
>
>
>
> marc

Thanks for the post, Elizabeth . . .