The Mona Lisa
lyra
> THE MONA LISA!
> A SION HAMLET!
> Dan Brown claims Shake-speare was a Freemason!
to which I'd like to add...
The Mona Lisa (anagram)
at a helm, Sion?
(Nautonnier) (a well known idea
about Leonardo!)
and, a most surprising one...
The Mona Lisa
O *Hants.* male, I (Hampshire, the shire including
the Earldom of Southampton)
and
Is the Earl of Southampton nice?
On the pictures of the Mona Lisa?
and
As to the picture of the Mona Lisa...
I cite as the Earl of Southampton
strange isn't it...
maybe it is a sort of reference to Henry
Wriothesley, a later Earl...as someone a bit
female/male? ("master/mistress of my passion", etc.)
A woman's face with nature's own hand painted,
Hast thou the master mistress of my passion (...)
http://users.ox.ac.uk/~nancy/renpoetry/shake.html
or, it means the *sitter* might have been
an Earl of Southampton...I think that is
Sir William Fitzwilliam, created
the Earl by Henry VIII...
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/WilliamFitzwilliam(1ESouthampton).htm
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Fitzwilliam,William(1ESouthampton).jpg
how funny if it turned out to be true!
and the mystery of the picture solved!
dustbird
on a recent tv show. They all have th same 'enigmatic' smile or look, which
seems to have to do with the way Leonardo drew their cheekbones and the use
of shadow. My opinion is that Mona Lisa is not the most beautiful painting
of a woman by Leonardo.
Roundtable
>
> http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/Bios/WilliamFitzwilliam(1ESouthampton).htm
>
> http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Fitzwilliam,William(1ESouthampton).jpg
This link of yours led me to Anna Boleyn -
http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/aboutAnneBoleyn.htm
...each portrait of Anne looks different - her hair is blonde, red
or brown, her nose is straight or slightly bent like Elizabeth I's,
in one miniature she has a Cindy Crawford mole above the upper lip
on the right side of her face, this mole is absent from other
portraits... people change as they age, but...
Roundtable
lyra
> Art Neuendorffer wrote:
>
> > THE MONA LISA!
> > A SION HAMLET!
>
> > Dan Brown claims Shake-speare was a Freemason!
I have just got a copy of the book
(*The Da Vinci Code*) which I am hoping to begin today...
and, by chance, a Taschen book of Leonardo's
art...I love the angel in the two
versions (or verSIONs?)
of the Virgin of the Rocks!...
Moreover, I keep suspecting
that not only might William Fitzwilliam
be the Mona Lisa... the face could have been altered
after the official date of the painting...
but that the same one could also
be the John the Baptist (the *John gesture* of finger)
which were the two paintings found in his studio
when he died. (according to Lynn Picknett and Clive Prince.)
(the guy would be about 29 at the time)
lyra
> lyra wrote in message news:<4ec4c9f5.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> > Art Neuendorffer wrote:
> >
> > > THE MONA LISA!
> > > A SION HAMLET!
>
> > > Dan Brown claims Shake-speare was a Freemason!
>
>
>
> I have just got a copy of the book
> (*The Da Vinci Code*) which I am hoping to begin today...
there's rather a nice website for the bok,
which I found while looking at Google Groups archive
to see
what had been said about the book...
many groups feature it, often
groups you wouldn't at all expect!
http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/davinci/main.html
for those who like solving puzzles!
Patty Winter
lyra <mountai...@RockAthens.com> wrote:
>
> there's rather a nice website for the bok,
>
That "web quest" site can be reached by going to www.thedavincicode.com,
for those who want an easier URL to remember it for later. You can do
the quest without having read the book (there are even links to Google
on some pages to help you find the answers), and the quest doesn't give
away anything about the book. The quest involves a few different web
sites (yes, they're all owned by Random House ;-)) as well as some email
addresses and even a telephone number (although you can get by without
the latter). I did the quest after finishing the book over the weekend;
it was fun!
Patty
lyra
> lyra wrote in message news:<4ec4c9f5.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> > Art Neuendorffer wrote:
> >
> > > THE MONA LISA!
> > > A SION HAMLET!
>
> > > Dan Brown claims Shake-speare was a Freemason!
>
>
>
> I have just got a copy of the book
> (*The Da Vinci Code*) which I am hoping to begin today...
>
> and, by chance, a Taschen book of Leonardo's
> art...I love the angel in the two
> versions (or verSIONs?)
> of the Virgin of the Rocks!...
Leonardo da Vinci's painting
*The Madonna with the Yarnwinder*
has been stolen today...
if it is the one in the Taschen book
(there are several versions)
then it is a very beautiful painting.
I hope it's safe.
It's worth several millions (pounds, I assume),
and was taken from a Scottish castle,
where it belonged to the Duke of Buccleugh.
I hope they didn't take it after reading
*The da Vinci Code*!...hoping it had a secret message!
lyra
> lyra wrote in message news:<4ec4c9f5.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> > Art Neuendorffer wrote:
> >
> > > THE MONA LISA!
> > > A SION HAMLET!
>
> > > Dan Brown claims Shake-speare was a Freemason!
>
> I have just got a copy of the book
> (*The Da Vinci Code*) which I am hoping to begin today...
>
> and, by chance, a Taschen book of Leonardo's
> art...I love the angel in the two
> versions (or verSIONs?)
> of the Virgin of the Rocks!...
An extra to the previous posting on the
stolen Da Vinci...
1.
(This one has an excellent reproduction of the missing painting.)
"Da Vinci painting stolen from Scottish castle
A Leonardo da Vinci painting, the Madonna with the Yarnwinder, has
been stolen from Drumlanrig Castle in Scotland.
Madonna with the Yarnwinder
Police said the painting was stolen at about 11am when thieves, posing
as visitors to the castle, overpowered a female guide and took it from
where it was displayed in the castle's staircase hall.
Drumlanrig Castle, in Dumfries and Galloway, is the home of the Duke
of Buccleuch, one of Scotland's richest landowners.
It houses one of the finest art collection in Britain, including
masterpieces Rembrandt and Holbein, two of which are on display in the
same hall from where the da Vinci was taken.
The Madonna with the Yarnwinder, dated to 1501, was intended for the
secretary of Louis XII of France and shows the infant Jesus holding
the yarnwinder shaped as a cross to symbolise the Passion and his
future death.
The original was thought to have been lost in France until experts
confirmed the Drumlanrig painting as the work of da Vinci in 1986.
Detectives said they are looking for four men seen driving a white
Volkswagen Golf Gti in the area around the time the painting was
stolen.
They also released descriptions of two men seen near the castle at the
time of the theft. Both men are said to be in their forties, about 5ft
10 tall, slim and clean shaven.
External links
Madonna with the Yarnwinder - Drumlanrig Castle"
................................................................................
2.
http://www.buccleuch.com/pages/content.asp
which includes
"Send an E-card from historic Drumlanrig Castle or The Queensberry
Estate to a friend or colleague - let them know how much you enjoyed
your visit."
I hope the thieves haven't thought to do this!!
................................................................................
3.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/3185441.stm
"Drumlanrig Castle's art collection is on public display much of the
year
and other prized works include Rembrandt's Old Woman Reading and
Holbein's portrait of
Sir Nicholas Carew."
Art Neuendorffer
> > >
> > > > THE MONA LISA!
> > > > A SION HAMLET!
> >
> > > > Dan Brown claims Shake-speare was a Freemason!
> lyra wrote in message
news:<4ec4c9f5.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> > I have just got a copy of the book
> > (*The Da Vinci Code*) which I am hoping to begin today...
> >
> > and, by chance, a Taschen book of Leonardo's
> > art...I love the angel in the two
> > versions (or verSIONs?)
> > of the Virgin of the Rocks!...
lyra wrote in message
news:<4ec4c9f5.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> An extra to the previous posting on the
> stolen Da Vinci...
> (This one has an excellent reproduction of the missing painting.)
> Madonna with the Yarnwinder - Drumlanrig Castle"
>
>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/08/27/uda.xml&sShe
et=/portal/2003/08/27/ixportaltop.html
>
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....
http://www.abcgallery.com/L/leonardo/leonardo29.html
http://www.lairweb.org.nz/leonardo/yarnwinder.html
<<This painting is sometimes called Madonna of the Spindle or the Madonna
with the Distaff. Leonardo did complete this very small painting but the
original has probably been lost. Several copies still exist and there is
strong speculation that two of these are from the hand of Leonardo himself,
but this is still the subject of some debate and they could just have easily
come from talented pupils. The original work can be securely dated at 1501
as a letter from April of that year mentions Leonardo is working on Madonna
of the Yarnwinder.
One of the most interesting and complete sketches Leonardo ever did was for
this painting;
http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/l/leonardo/07study1/6yarnw.html
This work, intended for Florimond Robertet, Secretary to the King of France,
shows the winder as shaped like a cross; this symbolises the Passion of
Christ and His future death. It appears that Mary wants to pull the Child
away from the symbol of His future, but even she is powerless to prevent the
Crucifixion which is part of His destiny. Of the two works one is very green
whilst the other is quite blue; the landscapes also differ significantly
with one showing a vicious mountain range beneath a vivid blue sky while the
other runs down to the sea.
Leonardo prepared for paintings that included the Christ child or the infant
St. John the Baptist by drawing dozens of studies of little children. Most
of his children appear between nine and eighteen months, all are shown nude
and all look similar enough as to make the viewer wonder whether the one
child modelled for each painting.>>
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<<The office of Nautonnier or Navigator, is symbolized by the boat
of Isis. "Isis holds in her right hand a small sailing ship with the
spindle of a spinning wheel for its mast. From the top of the mast
projects a water jug, its handle shaped like a serpent swelled with
venom. This indicates that Isis steers the bark of life, full of
troubles and miseries, on the stormy ocean of Time. The spindle
symbolizes the fact that she spins and cuts the thread of life.">>
- Manly P. Hall, Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian
Symbolical Philosophy
http://home.fireplug.net/~rshand/streams/scripts/sion.html
<<According to the Dossiers Secrets, each of the alleged Grand Masters
of the Prieure de Sion took the name Jean in succession. One of the
Grand Masters on the list, Leonardo da Vinci, displayed a strong
interest in John the Baptist. Another, Sir Isaac Newton,
became preoccupied with the writings of the Apocalypse,
then attributed to John the Evangelist.>>
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Jonson told Drummond his arms were "three spindles or rhombi."
http://weblog.kilimwomen.com/archives/000233.html
<<Clotho drew them within the revolution of the spindle impelled by her
hand, thus ratifying the destiny of each;>>
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Rhomb, n. [L. rhombus, Gr. ??? rhomb, a spinning top, magic wheel,
fr. ??? to turn or whirl round, perhaps akin to E. wrench: cf. F. rhombe.]
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"Nor is [Dulcinea del Toboso] one-eyed or humpbacked,
but *straighter* than a Guadarrama spindle"
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_The Republic_ by Plato (360 B.C.)
(M)yth (O)f (E)r
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Olympus/9313/plato/18.txt
<<SOCRATES:
All the souls had now chosen their lives, and they went in the order
of their choice to Lachesis, who sent with them the genius whom they
had severally chosen, to be the guardian of their lives and the
fulfiller of the choice: this genius led the souls first to Clotho,
and drew them within the revolution of the spindle impelled
by her hand, thus ratifying the destiny of each; >>
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Art Neuendorffer
David L. Webb
(aneuendor...@comicass.nut) wrote in message news:<VqidnV73P_a...@comcast.com>...
> > > > Art Neuendorffer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > THE MONA LISA!
> > > > > A SION HAMLET!
>
> > > > > Dan Brown claims Shake-speare was a Freemason!
His book is *fiction*, Art -- not that the distinction between
fact
and fiction has eVER been VERy meaningful to you.
I trust that you're aware, Art, that "mast" is a collective term
for a bunch of nuts?
> From the top of the mast
> projects a water jug, its handle shaped like a serpent swelled with
> venom. This indicates that Isis steers the bark of life, full of
> troubles and miseries, on the stormy ocean of Time. The spindle
> symbolizes the fact that she spins and cuts the thread of life.">>
>
> - Manly P. Hall, Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian
> Symbolical Philosophy
>
> http://home.fireplug.net/~rshand/streams/scripts/sion.html
>
> <<According to the Dossiers Secrets, each of the alleged Grand Masters
> of the Prieure de Sion took the name Jean in succession. One of the
> Grand Masters on the list, Leonardo da Vinci, displayed a strong
> interest in John the Baptist. Another, Sir Isaac Newton,
> became preoccupied with the writings of the Apocalypse,
> then attributed to John the Evangelist.>>
[Lunatic logorrhea snipped]
Art Neuendorffer
> >
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/08/27/uda.xml&sShe
et=/portal/2003/08/27/ixportaltop.html
> > >
> > > "Da Vinci painting stolen from Scottish castle
> > >
> > > A Leonardo da Vinci painting, the Madonna with the Yarnwinder,
> > > has been stolen from Drumlanrig Castle in Scotland.
> > > Police said the painting was stolen at about 11am when thieves, posing
> > > as visitors to the castle, overpowered a female guide and took it from
> > > where it was displayed in the castle's staircase hall.
> > >
> > > Detectives said they are looking for four men seen driving a white
> > > Volkswagen Golf Gti in the area around the time the painting was
> > > stolen.
> > >
> > > They also released descriptions of two men seen near the castle
> > > at the time of the theft. Both men are said to be in their forties,
> > > about 5ft 10 tall, slim and clean shaven.
Neuendorffer wrote:
> >
............................................................................
..........
> > http://www.abcgallery.com/L/leonardo/leonardo29.html
> > http://www.lairweb.org.nz/leonardo/yarnwinder.html
> >
> > <<This painting is sometimes called Madonna of the Spindle
> > or the Madonna with the Distaff. >>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > - Manly P. Hall, Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian
> > <<The office of Nautonnier or Navigator, is symbolized by the
> > boat of Isis. "Isis holds in her right hand a small sailing ship
> > with the spindle of a spinning wheel for its mast.>>
"David L. Webb" <David....@Dartmouth.edu> wrote
> I trust that you're aware, Art, that "mast"
> is a collective term for a bunch of nuts?
Ceres was worshipped because she abolished
that beastly way of feeding on acorns.
Art Neuendorffer
P.S. Why don't you Priore guys just give back the painting, Dave?
David L. Webb
"Art Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net>
(aneuendor...@comicass.nut) wrote:
H.l.a.s. anti-Stratfordians such as yourself have certainly insured
that this year's mast harvest is especially abundant.
> Art Neuendorffer
>
> P.S. Why don't you Priore guys just give back the painting, Dave?
The Grand Master has his reasons, Art. [Hint: I'm about to leave on
an important mission for a week.]
Art Neuendorffer
> > > >
> >
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/08/27/uda.xml&sShe
> > et=/portal/2003/08/27/ixportaltop.html
> > > > >
> > > > > "Da Vinci painting stolen from Scottish castle
> > > > >
> > > > > A Leonardo da Vinci painting, the Madonna with the Yarnwinder,
> > > > > has been stolen from Drumlanrig Castle in Scotland.
> >
> > > > > Police said the painting was stolen at about 11am when thieves,
posing
> > > > > as visitors to the castle, overpowered a female guide and took it
from
> > > > > where it was displayed in the castle's staircase hall.
> > > > >
> > > > > Detectives said they are looking for four men seen driving a white
> > > > > Volkswagen Golf Gti in the area around the time the painting was
> > > > > stolen.
> > > > >
> > > > > They also released descriptions of two men seen near the castle
> > > > > at the time of the theft. Both men are said to be in their
forties,
> > > > > about 5ft 10 tall, slim and clean shaven.
>
> > Neuendorffer wrote:
> >
............................................................................
> > > > http://www.lairweb.org.nz/leonardo/yarnwinder.html
> > > >
> > > > <<This painting is sometimes called Madonna of the Spindle
> > > > or the Madonna with the Distaff. >>
> > > > -----------------------------------------------------------
> > > > - Manly P. Hall, Masonic, Hermetic, Quabbalistic & Rosicrucian
> >
> > > > <<The office of Nautonnier or Navigator, is symbolized by the
> > > > boat of Isis. "Isis holds in her right hand a small sailing ship
> > > > with the spindle of a spinning wheel for its mast.>>
>
> > "David L. Webb" <David....@Dartmouth.edu> wrote
> >
> > > I trust that you're aware, Art, that "mast"
> > > is a collective term for a bunch of nuts?
> "Art Neuendorffer" <aneuendor...@comcast.net>
>
> > Ceres was worshipped because she abolished
> > that beastly way of feeding on acorns.
"David L. Webb" <david....@dartmouth.edu> wrote
> H.l.a.s. anti-Stratfordians such as yourself have certainly
> insured that this year's mast harvest is especially abundant.
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All this long harangue (which might very well have been spared) our
knight delivered because the ACORNS they gave him reminded him of
the golden age; and the whim seized him to address all this unnecessary
argument to the goatherds, who listened to him gaping in amazement
without saying a word in reply. Sancho likewise held his peace and
ate ACORNS, and paid repeated visits to the second wine-skin,
which they had hung up on a cork tree to keep the wine cool.
CHAPTER XI Of What Befell Don Quixote with Certain Goatherds
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> > P.S. Why don't you Priore guys just give back the painting, Dave?
>
> The Grand Master has his reasons, Art. [Hint: I'm about
> to leave on an important mission for a week.]
Does that mean that this posting is about to self destruct?
Art Neuendorffer
lyra
> lyra wrote in message news:<4ec4c9f5.0308...@posting.google.com>...
> > lyra wrote in message news:<4ec4c9f5.03071...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Art Neuendorffer wrote:
> > >
> > > > THE MONA LISA!
> > > > A SION HAMLET!
>
> > > > Dan Brown claims Shake-speare was a Freemason!
> >
> >
> >
> > I have just got a copy of the book
> > (*The Da Vinci Code*) which I am hoping to begin today...
> >
> > and, by chance, a Taschen book of Leonardo's
> > art...I love the angel in the two
> > versions (or verSIONs?)
> > of the Virgin of the Rocks!...
>
>
>
> Leonardo da Vinci's painting
> *The Madonna with the Yarnwinder*
> has been stolen today...
>
> if it is the one in the Taschen book
It isn't