Edward de Vere(1550–1604) & son Henry de Vere(1593 –1625)

[marco]

Henry de Vere, 18th Earl of Oxford (1593 –1625)

he succeeded his father
(Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford 1550–1604) as Earl on 24 June 1604

marc

[marco]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_de_Vere,_18th_Earl_of_Oxford

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_de_Vere,_17th_Earl_of_Oxford

marc

[marco]

as much is known about d vere as bacon

both their histories are well demented - i mean documented

marc

[marco]

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:02:56 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> as much is known about d vere as bacon
>

> Bacon was a public figure, there is far more written about
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> Bacon than Oxford, i.e., Bacon's relationship with Jonson,
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> Bacon's travels on the Continent (who would think a
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> thirteen year old to be a spy?) The stuff Art posted above
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> in regard to a folder of deeds that Elizabeth Tudor
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> no doubt passed to her son Oxford, was processed
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> by Bacon pro se on behalf of his brother, as Bacon had
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> passed the bar. For some reason, Art doesn't think
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> that Oxford and Bacon had a familial relationship,
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> I think their relationship as brothers, was perfectly
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> normal, Bacon did a lot of pro se legal favors for his
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> brother, whom I believe Bacon really loved.

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> both their histories are well demented - i mean documented
>

> Where's the exit?
>
> marc

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Friday, May 24, 2013 5:16:29 AM UTC-7, neonprose @ gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:02:56 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
>
> > as much is known about d vere as bacon
>
> >
>
> > Bacon was a public figure, there is far more written about
>
> >
>
> > Bacon than Oxford, i.e., Bacon's relationship with Jonson,
>
> >
>
> > Bacon's travels on the Continent (who would think a
>
> >
>
> > thirteen year old to be a spy?) The stuff Art posted above
>
> >
>
> > in regard to a folder of deeds that Elizabeth Tudor
>
> >
>
> > no doubt passed to her son Oxford, was processed
>
> >
>
> > by Bacon pro se on behalf of his brother, as Bacon had
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> >
>
> > passed the bar. For some reason, Art doesn't think
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> >
>
> > that Oxford and Bacon had a familial relationship,
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> >
>
> > I think their relationship as brothers, was perfectly
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> >
>

> > normal, Bacon did a lot of pro se work for his
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> >
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> > brother, whom I believe Bacon sincerely loved.

>
> > MARCO WRITES:
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> > both their histories are well demented - i mean documented
>

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

> That didn't happen because Oxford was never the son of John De Vere.
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> Art will blow a gasket but Oxford was the son of Elizabeth and
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> her constant harasser the Lord High Admiral Sir Thomas Seymour.
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> I had to laugh when I saw all the "descendants" of De Vere seated
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> in a place of distinction at the opening of Parliament, none of them
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> direct decendants of De Vere because Oxford was not of the
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> De Vere bloodline, although that didn't matter because Oxford and his
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> younger brother Francis Bacon were direct descendants of
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> Richard II and Richard III, not to speak of more Henries than
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> you could count on your fingers. I mean, these boys were
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> royal.
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> Elizabeth did not love her sexual harasser, in fact she
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> signed the warrant for his execution, this Princess had grit.
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> Seymour spent some time in The Tower, then one day the
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> jailers came to get him to take him to the block. Seymour
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> took one look at the executioner holding an axe, grabbed the
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> axe and fought off his captors until, exhausted, he fell in his
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> own slippery blood on the floor and his jailers immediately
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> dragged him to the block, the axe fell, so there's another
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> episode in Elizabethan history.
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>

[neonprose @ gmail.com]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 6:36:44 PM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> On Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:02:56 AM UTC-8, marco wrote:
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> > as much is known about d vere as bacon
>
> >
>

> > Omg, a huge group of Mormons turned out for the
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> > Gay Pride March. I lived among the biggest contingent
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> > of Mormons in the US, Vancouver WA. Lots of Mormon
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> > temples in Vancouver.

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:40:13 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Monday, June 10, 2013 12:50:19 AM UTC-7, neon...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:40:13 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
>
> > Henry de Vere, 18th Earl of Oxford (1593 –1625)
>

> > Yes, I believe that's correct but after Oxford was
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> > married to Anne Cecil, he took another wife,
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> > a Roman Catholic, they lived in an upscale part
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> > of London, she was from a large family of brothers,
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> > if I recall correctly.

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> >
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> >
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> > he succeeded his father
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> >
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> > (Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford 1550–1604) as Earl on 24 June 1604
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> >
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> > The 17th earl of Oxford was not his father, Elizabeth needed to
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> > get Oxford out of London because of the timing of his birth so
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> > she sent him out to Essex, I believe to be raised by John De Vere.
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> > Oxford was in no way related to the De Veres, he was the
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> > son of Sir Thomas Seymour, the less said the better about that.
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> >
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> > marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Wednesday, May 22, 2013 8:40:13 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:

> Well, technically, John De Vere was not Oxford's father but I don't want
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> to go there, I'd rather bring up the beautiful French arches in the Great
>
> Room at Hedingham Castle, no one has so far figured out how those
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> French arches of pink marble were put in place by stone masons, it was
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> a feat worthy of the builders of the Great Pyramids.
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> Elizabeth
>
> marc

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:02:56 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:

> as much is known about d vere as bacon
>

> I don't care one way or the other about what you believe
>
> but all kidding aside, there is far more written about
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> Bacon than his brother (and I'm not stinting Oxford, he
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> had quite a satisfactory life thanks to his father in law,
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> the powerful Lord Burghley but that was typical in the
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> English class system, the powerful took care of their children.

[neon...@gmail.com]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:02:56 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:

> as much is known about d vere as bacon
>
>
>
> both their histories are well demented - i mean documented
>

> Well, Marc, thanks to the industry and enthusiasm of the
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> Baconians (the Baconian revival was initiated in the 1880s) we
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> know a great deal about Bacon, his relationships with other
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> Elizabethans, his "FALL" engineered by his enemy Edward Coke
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> well, maybe that was a little bit justified as Bacon fathered a
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> daughter on Coke's young and beautiful wife, Lady Elizabeth Hatton.
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> Coke married her to get her fortune, love had nothing to do with it.
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> Coke was brutal to this young woman, it's really a shame how she
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> was beaten. Coke then engineered "Bacon's Famous Fall" from his
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> seat in Parliament, but nothing much came of it, everybody knew
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> Coke, he was the laughing stock of Parliament, promoting himself
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> as the greatest lawyer in English history while Bacon simply went
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> about his business, many jestes were made about Bacon's dealings
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> with Coke.
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> Elizabeth and btw ARt, how about that phone call to the F.B. I.?
>
> marc