The Lismore Papers
Lyra
The Lismore Papers, referred to in another thread.
I know nothing except the following pages.
(quote, excerpts)
Lismore Papers
Co. Cork
Updated 12 Jan 2004
>From various postings to Genexchange County Cork mailing list in a
'thread' format.
Amy
Anita
Denis Grant
Patty Pickett
and posted here with their kind permission.
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From: Amy DAT...@aol.com
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 14:37:23 EDT
Subject: [Cork-L] Lismore papers - are they worth looking for
"Boyle, Cavendish: NL Mss 6136 6898, The Lismore Papers. Rentals,
valuations, lease books, account books for the estates of the Earls of
Cork and the Dukes of Devonshire, 1570-1870. Generally covering only
major tenants. A detailed listing is given in NL Special List 15.
Covering townlands in the
civil parishes of Ahern, Ardagh, Ballymodan, Ballynoe, Brinny,
Clonmult, Clonpriest, Ightermurragh, Kilbrogan, Killeagh, Killowen,
Kinneigh, Knockmourne, Lismore, Mogeely, Murragh, St Finbarr s,
Youghal"
Has anyone ever accessed these papers? Where are they, are they
worthwhile?
Thanks
amy
From:
HI Amy and all,
There seems to be a certain amount of frustration here with trying to
access these records, once you think you've found something that just
*might* contain a reference, yeah even the slightest tid-bit of
information about your ancestors.
As Jean has already stated, there seems to be only 2 ways to get at
most of these manuscripts, as most of them are not published in any
source. 1) You go to the National Library in Ireland yourself, 2) You
hire someone to do it for you. In either case you're talking $$$$$$$,
although the 'being there' is much more appealing than the latter.
Jean and I had one day in Dublin in the National Library while I was
visiting in May. One afternoon is far, far, from being near any kind
of time you would need to examine all of these sources. I, and
probably any one of us, could spend weeks looking at these documents
if we could!!
If you got this Lismore papers info from the County Cork Data page,
that is also where I found these two listings before we left for
Ireland: Rentals-c. 1795, all tenants-Rev. Edmund Lombard, Inc. the
Civil Parish of Kilshannig. NL-MS 2985, and
(no landlord given)- NL MS 13018, Rentals c. 1835-37, major tenants
only. Covering Castlelyons, Gortroe, Knockmourne, and Rathcormac.
If any of you have been to the National Library in Dublin, you will
understand what I'm saying. First of all, you walk into the reading
room itself, and I don't know about anyone else, but I was in awe of
what my eyes saw. The room is round, the domed ceiling rises up in the
most beautiful shade of aquamarine blue, and the room itself is filled
with long, old, beautiful wooden tables, and the outer circumference
filled with shelves holding books that are all various shades of
leather binding, and it just fills your senses with the learning and
knowledge that is available.......oh, I digress.....I'm sorry, the
place bowled me over!!
Anyway, once I got through the process of getting my temp card, and
getting my picture taken for it (this was necessary precisely because
I wanted to view these manuscripts), I was sent to another building
down the street where the manuscripts are housed. Once a call slip was
filled out I awaited the documents, all the while *praying* I'd find
something, any peice of possible informtion on my ancestors.
The first book brought out to me, from 1795, was so tattered, torn,
mouldy, and musty, I was afraid to touch it!! Not because of the mold,
but I was afraid it would just disintegrate in my fingers. It didn't.
The entries were extremely difficult to read as the aged ink had
almost faded from the paper. I didn't find anything pertaining to my
family names, but just having this book in front of me was really
neat.
The second request I made turned out to be large, oversized copies of
the original source records, brought to me in a large envelope, about
a dozen or so sheets of names of places, the person(s) renting that
place, and the amount paid per acre, etc. I was specifically searching
Gortroe (in Kilshannig), as I had just gotten a hunch that might be
where my family originated, before Mallow. Sure enough, there were
quite a few Sheehane's listed in the Gortroe area; various amounts of
land, paddocks are mentioned , grounds are referred to as commons. It
felt so satisfying to see these names, but as you all know how this
goes, I cannot *prove* they are indeed my ancestors.
I would like to copy the information I have from this page as there
are a number of other names on it. But I was specifically asked, no,
told, by the Librarian in the Manuscript Office that he would make
these copies for me, but that I was not to copy them for others. ???
That's what I was told. I presume it is because they are from a
private, unpublished source.
Anita
From: "Denis Grant"
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 1999 18:14:54 -0400
Subject: [Cork-L] Lismore papers - are they worth looking for
>From the LDS Family History Library Catalog
Title: The Lismore papers. First series : viz. autobiographical notes,
remembrances and diaries of Sir Richard Boyle, first and "great" Earl
of Cork ... from the original mss. belonging to His Grace, the Duke of
Devonshire, preserved in Lismore Castle Stmnt.Resp.: edited, with
introduction and notes and illustrations, by Alexander B. Grosart ..
Authors: Cork, Richard Boyle , Earl of, 1566-1643 (Main Author)
Grosart, Alexander B. (Alexander Balloch) , 1827-1899 (Added Author)
Cork, Richard Boyle , Earl of, 1566-1643 (Subject)
Notes: Microfilm of original volumes published: London : Chiswick
Press (printed for private circulation only), 1886. 5 v.
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"Notes and illustrations": at end of each volume.
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Index in volume 5 has been filmed at the beginning of each volume.
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Note: Index is not comprehensive. Many persons and places are not
listed; many that are listed have only one reference, when in fact
they may be mentioned several places.
Richard Boyle, Earl of Cork, was a major landholder in Cork and
Waterford. His diaries mention numerous tenants, rents, leases and
purchases of property. His papers are called "Lismore Papers" because
they were stored at Lismore Castle in County Waterford.
Film Notes:
Title: The Lismore papers. First series : viz. autobiographical notes,
remembrances and diaries of Sir Richard Boyle, first and "great" Earl
of Cork ... from the original mss. belonging to His Grace, the Duke of
Devonshire, preserved in Lismore Castle Authors: Cork, Richard Boyle ,
Earl of, 1566-1643 (Main Author)
Grosart, Alexander B. (Alexander Balloch) , 1827-1899 (Added Author)
Cork, Richard Boyle , Earl of, 1566-1643 (Subject)
Note Location
Film
Vol. 1, 1611-1620 Vol. 2, 1621-August 1629 Vol. 3, October 1629-
January 1633
FHL BRITISH Film
990384 Items 1-3
Vol. 4, February 1633-March 1637 Vol. 5, April 1637-September 1842 FHL
BRITISH Film 990385 Items 1-2
I haven't accessed them.
Denis
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 11:34:58 -0400
From: "Patty Pickett"
Subject: Re: [Cork-L] Lismore papers - are they worth looking for
Are these papers the same ones referred to as the Sir Richard Boyle
Lismore papers? Boyle Lismore Papers 1611-1629 Volume 6 of the Casey
works on pages 339-385 Boyle Lismore Paper excerpts 1632-1637 Volume 5
but I dont have the page numbers here Lismore Papers by Boyle,
1637-1643 found in Volume 8 continued from Volume 5 pages 2018-2064
Lismore Papers Volume III, Boyle, pages 1758-1807 in Volume 8
You can also find a history of the Boyle family 1566-1762 in Volume 1.
Other things of potential interest:
Kenmare Rentals, Acreage, Ledgers and Notebooks are in several
volumes, 1705-1864 Volume 1 no page number
1740-1756 Kenmare Estate Records on Volume 6 pages 1683-1839
Kenmare Estate Ledgers 1790-1811, Volume 6
Kenmare Estate Ledgers 1756-69 pages 1-155 Volume 7
Kenmare Estate, 39 Townland Maps 1720-1725 pages 2596 to 2641- Volume
7
Kenmare Estate Accounts 1779-86, Ledgers 1811-1870 Volume 8 pages
542-549, 646-651, 707-738
Cork and Kerry abstracts from the Leyne Manuscript 1337-1893 volume 11
Patty
Lyra
> The Lismore Papers, referred to in another thread.
>
> I know nothing except the following pages.
My own ideas about Marlowe are quite different.
(quote, excerpts)
>From the Lismore Papers,
Remembrances and Diaries of Sir Richard Boyle,
the First and Great Earl of Cork.
Updated 12 Jan 2004
Transcribed by Patty Pickett and posted here with her kind permission.
>From the Lismore Papers, Remembrances and Diaries of Sir Richard
Boyle, the First and Great Earl of Cork.
Edited by Alexander B. Grossard, 1886, Volume 10 which covers
1632-1637
Tenants whose rent was increased:
Watts, a farmer
John Greatrix
John Spratt
Greatrix
Peter Courthope
Samuel Hill
Symon Farr
Mrs. Knowell
Cornelius Gaffney
Thomas Duntacy
James Hoare
Directory of Cloneh
Phillip Percival
Edward Parsons
Wm. Gratrix
Thomas Ronan
Jervis Ethrington
Mrs. Brabant
Parsonages of Letryn
Mrs. Mannefeld
Frances Drew
Cormock Mc Frynen
the tenants of Clonakilty
William Hall
Walter Baldon
O'Cullane
McFynen,
Mintern
Mrs. Mounsell
John Green
Thomas Mead (of the Kilbolane parsonage)
Dennis Bryen (of the Askeaton Parsonage)
James Knowde (of the Rectory of Dromtariffe
David Lacey
James Fitsthomas
Dermott McTirlaugh
Mr. Hussey
Mr. Terry
Oge O'Culen (McDonough)
Thomas Daunt, Rectories of Tracton
Donnell OCullan
Lt. Rutledge
Mr. Buchanan
Mr.Gardiner
Mr. Lynch
John Bourch, (Rectories in Ormon)
Nicholas Wyse
the Mannor of Tyrn + Moyare
In addition he also mentions the names of his sons in his journal- and
some other oddities.
Dongarvan Boyle - my son, house Dublin
Lewis Boyle
Francis Boyle
Robert Boyle
loans of money for supplies or land:
Luke Brady, of Liskarriffe/ for ironworks plus 10 ploughlands
Brady, mortgage 300
John Bourch, a mortgage of 120
Sir Geoffrey Fenton, house on Castle Street
Francis Foulkes of Camphier, wood of the bog
Peter Wibrant, salt house at Yoghall
Robert Meagh of Clanawliffe, six ploughs
Symon Haly, Clanawliffe, four ploughlands
Courcy, the Lord, mortgaged land
Thomas Daunt, Carrigflyne, a lease
William Eustace, Castlemarten, lands in Voke
Mr. Ormesby, O'Haraes Co., six quarters of land
http://myhome.ispdr.net.au/~mgrogan/cork/lismore_patty.htm
Lyra
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> > The Lismore Papers, referred to in another thread.
>
> > I know nothing except the following pages.
>
> My own ideas about Marlowe are quite different.
I don't like this idea.
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The alleged other identity
Biography
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Boyle%2C_1st_Earl_of_Cork
Portrait
http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?search=ss&sText=boyle&LinkID=mp01029&rNo=0&role=sit
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> On Oct 2, 9:20 pm, Lyra wrote:
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> > > The Lismore Papers, referred to in another thread.
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> > > I know nothing except the following pages.
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> > My own ideas about Marlowe are quite different.
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> I don't like this idea.
MM:
I don't either, Lyra.
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> The alleged other identity
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> Biography
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Boyle%2C_1st_Earl_of_Cork
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> Portrait
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> http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search/portrait.asp?search=ss&sText=boyle&...
MM:
Thanks for the info. Even the portrait doesn't match Marlowe.
Marlowe's hair was reddish. The hair in the portrait doesn't look
reddish to me.
Michael Martin
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