Marlowe & Shakespeare
Aroragraph
While Shakespeare's plays have 'echoes', 'borrowings', parodies of Marlowe in
them...there are no 'echoes' of Shakespeare in Marlowe's plays! They never have
what Jonson considered Shakespeare's careleness & casualness...
'jades of asia' being famous example of Shakespeare imitating/parodying...
Shakes might 'pinch' the line...but Marlowe wouldnt repeat his 'good' line in a
wrong context...
Richard 3rd is perhaps partially based on Tamburlaine(heroic villain)...but
Tamburlaine doesnt sound like a tryout for Richard IIIrd
Titus Andronicus for example reads like an 'early' work... But Marlowe's plays
dont read like 'early' Shakespeare! The Jew of Malta doesnt sound like an early
version of Shylock...Faustus doesnt sound like it has anything to do
Prospero..but as an influence for a later 'borrowing' (and transformation with
a different intelligence)
david
David Kathman
(Aroragraph) wrote:
I love it that when Rubbo's film wanted to present "parallelisms"
between Marlowe and Shakespeare, one of them was Shakespeare's
explicity quotation of Marlowe from AYLI ("Who ever loved that
loved not at first sight") and another was Shakespeare's overt
parody of a line from Marlowe's Tamburlaine in 2H4 ("Holla,
ye pampered jades of Asia"). To somebody who doesn't know either
man's work, these probably sound impressive, because Rubbo
neglects to mention that they're explicit tributes/parodies
of Marlowe by Shakespeare.
Dave Kathman
dj...@ix.netcom.com
Bob Grumman
And how about the climax to the actors' quotation of Marlowe lines with a
"matching' Shakespeare line after each: "Whoever loved that loved not at
first sight?" An exact match! But Rubbo fails to mention it's an exact
intentional QUOTATION from the "dead shepherd," Marlowe, by Shakespeare.
I enjoyed the show. I thought it well-done, amusing and not entirely
unfair--but incredibly irresponsible philosophically. For instance,
Bates--who came across pretty well, I think--makes one mistake that is
corrected, about Shakespeare's name being attached to Venus and Adonis
before Deptford, but I don't remember any of the many by Marlowe-Pushers is,
such as Dolly Wraight's about no writer's failing to mention books or
manuscripts in his will. Wraight came across as likable but much less
intelligent than I assumed she was--she did little more than repeat
standard, long-discredited Ogburnianisms.
No mention of Greene's reference to a playwright with a name like
"Shake-scene" before Deptford, either. So many omissions. The damned thing
kept me awake half the night listing them. Yes, I still take ignorance and
deceit, even unconscious, too much too heart.
I thought all the participants seemed sane enough. Only Baker struck me as
daft, but only in appearance, at times, not in what he said (however
stupid--such as his claim that Shakespeare could not have picked up
mythological and historical names unless he'd read a lot of books--but few
Shakespeare-rejecters seem to be aware of how some human beings can use
their ears, so I suppose we should excuse him; too bad Rubbo didn't include
the footage he must have had documenting Baker's outright insanity, such as
the First Folio's division, according to Baker, into 12 tragedies, 12
histories and 12 comedies, which is wrong, and that division's being proof
that Marlowe wrote the plays, which is insane.
--Bob G.
Bob Grumman
> between Marlowe and Shakespeare, one of them was Shakespeare's
> explicity quotation of Marlowe from AYLI ("Who ever loved that
> loved not at first sight") and another was Shakespeare's overt
> parody of a line from Marlowe's Tamburlaine in 2H4 ("Holla,
> ye pampered jades of Asia"). To somebody who doesn't know either
> man's work, these probably sound impressive, because Rubbo
> neglects to mention that they're explicit tributes/parodies
> of Marlowe by Shakespeare.
>
> Dave Kathman
I also liked Rubbo's idea that perhaps Marlowe wrote parts like Henry V and
Shakespeare ones like the cruder Falstaff! Even here the unsuppressable
snobbery of the Shakespeare-rejecters bubbles up. As if any profounder
poetry went into Falstaff than went into Hal, or that there is any character
in all of Shakespeare that the poet who created Falstaff could not easily
have created!
--Bob G.
Elisabeth Riba
> I also liked Rubbo's idea that perhaps Marlowe wrote parts like Henry V and
> Shakespeare ones like the cruder Falstaff! Even here the unsuppressable
> snobbery of the Shakespeare-rejecters bubbles up. As if any profounder
> poetry went into Falstaff than went into Hal, or that there is any character
> in all of Shakespeare that the poet who created Falstaff could not easily
> have created!
Plus, given the time and distance it would take for correspondence, what
kind of logistics would it take for them to have collaborated on scenes in
which Hal and Falstaff appear together?
Now, in RL I've seen cases where authors collaborate on a work by
splitting up characters or scenes, but generally author A's characters are
fairly independent of author B's, and they still require a lot of trading
phone calls and papers to get everything to line up.
Doesn't seem likely in 16th/17th Century Europe.
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> I thought all the participants seemed sane enough. Only Baker struck me as
> daft, but only in appearance, at times, not in what he said
My husband watched the start of the program with me, but quickly lost
interest. He paid attention as I pointed out people from the newsgroup to
him, and said that Baker looked and sounded like a net-kook.
John W. Kennedy
Cue Charlie Tuna!
--
John W. Kennedy
"The poor have sometimes objected to being governed badly;
the rich have always objected to being governed at all."
-- G. K. Chesterton, "The Man Who Was Thursday"
Rita
<snip>
> >david
>
> I love it that when Rubbo's film wanted to present "parallelisms"
> between Marlowe and Shakespeare, one of them was Shakespeare's
> explicity quotation of Marlowe from AYLI ("Who ever loved that
> loved not at first sight") and another was Shakespeare's overt
> parody of a line from Marlowe's Tamburlaine in 2H4 ("Holla,
> ye pampered jades of Asia"). To somebody who doesn't know either
> man's work, these probably sound impressive, because Rubbo
> neglects to mention that they're explicit tributes/parodies
> of Marlowe by Shakespeare.
>
> Dave Kathman
> dj...@ix.netcom.com
What about the *massive* parallelism between Shakespeare and Beaumont
in 'The Knight of the Burning Pestle'? I am obviously the first person
in history to notice this. How strange. Still - I now claim the honour
of being the first Beaumontian. Yes indeed, FRANCIS BEAUMONT WROTE
THE ENTIRE WORKS OF SHAKESPEARE, PLUS ALL OF MARLOWE!!
This means my candidate was brainier, more courtly and more cultivated
than everyone else's put together, as he had to write his earliest
work while still a foetus. What a boy!
How do I get in touch with this Mike Rubbo?
Rita Lamb
(Beaumontian)
Art Neuendorffer
>>I love it that when Rubbo's film wanted to present "parallelisms"
>>between Marlowe and Shakespeare, one of them was Shakespeare's
>>explicity quotation of Marlowe from AYLI ("Who ever loved that
>>loved not at first sight") and another was Shakespeare's overt
>>parody of a line from Marlowe's Tamburlaine in 2H4 ("Holla,
>>ye pampered jades of Asia"). To somebody who doesn't know either
>>man's work, these probably sound impressive, because Rubbo
>>neglects to mention that they're explicit tributes/parodies
>>of Marlowe by Shakespeare.
Rita wrote:
> What about the *massive* parallelism between Shakespeare and Beaumont
> in 'The Knight of the Burning Pestle'? I am obviously the first person
> in history to notice this. How strange. Still - I now claim the honour
> of being the first Beaumontian. Yes indeed, FRANCIS BEAUMONT WROTE
> THE ENTIRE WORKS OF SHAKESPEARE, PLUS ALL OF MARLOWE!!
>
> This means my candidate was brainier, more courtly and more cultivated
> than everyone else's put together, as he had to write his earliest
> work while still a foetus. What a boy!
>
> How do I get in touch with this Mike Rubbo?
>
> Rita Lamb
> (Beaumontian)
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March 6, 1616 Francis Beaumont's non-Tomb in Westminster
<<MORTALITY, behold and FEAR!
What a CHANGE OF FLESH is HERE!
Think how many royal BONES
Sleep within this HEAP OF STONES:>>
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ORB, n. [F.orbe] A GLOBE.
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April 23, 1616 William Shakspere's MONUMENT/EPITAPH
<<Good friend for Iesus sake F(orb)EAR(e)
To digg the dust encloased HE(a)RE:
Blest be ye man yt spares thes STONES
And CURST be he yt moves my BONES.>>
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"What needs my *Shakespear* for his honour'd BONES,
The labour of an age in piled STONES?
Or that his hallow'd reliques should be HID [HUT]
Under a STAR-y-pointing *PYRAMID*?
Dear son of MEMORY, great *HEIR of FAME* ,
What need'st thou SUCH WEAK WITNES OF THY NAME?
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Ben Jonson (1623) _To the Memory of Shakespeare_
My Shakespeare, *RISE*! I will not LODGE thee by
Chaucer or *SPENSer*, or bid Beaumont LYE
A LITTLE FURTHER, to make thee a room.
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French Revolution - Thomas Carlyle
Could Archbishop Beaumont but be prevailed upon
-- to WINK with one eye!
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John Fletcher* (1579-1625) & Francis Beaumont* (1584-1616): 1606
remembered for their comedy, The Knight of the Burning PESTLE* in 1607
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Hawkins: I've got it! I've got it! The pellet with the
poison's in the vessel with the PESTLE; the chalice
from the palace has the brew that is true! Right?
Griselda: Right, but there's been a change. They broke
the chalice from the palace.
Hawkins: They broke the chalice from the palace?!
Griselda: And replaced it with a flagon.
Hawkins: A flagon?
Griselda: With the figure of a dragon.
Hawkins: Flagon with a dragon.
Griselda: Right.
Hawkins: But did you put the pellet with the poison in
the vessel with the PESTLE?
Griselda: No! The pellet with the poison's in the flagon
with the dragon! The vessel with the PESTLE has the
brew that is true!
Hawkins: The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with
the dragon; the vessel with the PESTLE has the brew
that is true.
Griselda: Just remember that.
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Munday, Anthony (1560 - 1633)
http://www.xrefer.com/entry/373271
http://www.xrefer.com/entry/373717
<<HACK-WRITER, wrote or collaborated in a number of plays, and was
ridiculed by Jonson as Antonio Balladino in The Case is Altered.
Among his plays are John a Kent and John a Cumber (acted c. 1594,
dealing with a conflict between two WIZARDS of those names) and
The Downfall of Robert, Earle of Huntington (1601),
followed by The Death of the same,
of which the subject is the legend of Robin Hood.
Munday translated popular romances, including the
Palmerin cycle (1581-95), Palladine of England (1588),
& Amadis of Gaul (?1590).
Palmerin of England & Amadis of Gaul were two romances of chivalry
specially excepted from the holocaust carried out
by the curate and the barber in Don Quixote.>>
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1588: Anthony Munday dedicates his translation
of *PALMerin d'OLIVA* to *Edward de Vere* .
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EVIL-(Mr.O)
VERO-(Ni.L)
"Let the O-LIVE [i.e., Oxford] be made firewood"
OLIVE, a. a peculiar dark brownish, yellowish, or tawny *GREEN*
and let that PALM of England [i.e., Shake-speare] be kept
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<<Eternall reader, you have heere a new play, nEVER stal'd
with the Stage, nEVER CLAPPER-CLAW'D with the PALMes of
the vulger, and yet passing full of the PALMe comicall;
for it is a birth of your BRAINE,
that nEVER undertooke any thing commicall, VAINELY:>>
_The History of Troylus and Cresseida_ (1609)
A nEVER writer, to an EVER reader. NEWES.
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Don Quixote by Cervantes - Translated by John Ormsby
<<To all this the barber gave his assent, and looked upon it as
right and proper, being persuaded that the curate was so staunch
to the Faith and loyal to the Truth that he would not for the world
say anything opposed to them. Opening another book he saw it was
"Palmerin de Oliva," and beside it was another called
"Palmerin of England," seeing which the licentiate said,
"Let the Olive be made firewood of at once
and burned until no ashes even are left;
and let that Palm of England be kept
and preserved as a thing that stands alone,
and let such another case be made for it as that
which Alexander found among the spoils of Darius and set
aside for the safe keeping of the works of the poet Homer.
This book, gossip, is of authority for two reasons,
first because it is VERy good, and
secondly because it is said to have been written
by a wise and witty king of Portugal.>>
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And peace proclaims *olives* of endless age.
Now with the drops of this most balmy time, - Sonnet 107
<<James I boasted of the peace he had initiated and secured on his
accession to the English throne. He ended the war with Spain, which had
lasted, albeit sporadically, for the previous twenty years. The Peace
terms were agreed in late 1604. olives = olive branches, olive trees.
The imagery is essentially that of a proclamation, perhaps by a herald,
of a declaration of peace, or a settlement of peace terms. Here the
object declared is not peace itself, but the symbol of peace, the olive.
The association of the olive with peace is an ancient tradition. (See
Genesis 7.11, where the dove returns to Noah with an olive twig, as a
sign that the deluge was past). In the ancient world olives were an
essential commodity, but olive trees required at least nine years
to establish themselves. This could only be done in times of peace.
Marauding armies would frequently hack down olive trees in order
to cause maximum damage to the places they had invaded.>>
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<<(Palmerin de Inglaterra), a chivalric romance attributed
to the 16th-cent. Portuguese writer Francisco de Moraes.>>
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*FLeRIDA*
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Palmerin of England
http://www.xrefer.com/entry/373717
<<The 'Palmerins' consist of 8 books dealing with the exploits and
loves of Palmerin d'Oliva, emperor of Constantinople, and his various
descendants, of which Palmerin of England is the subject of the sixth.
The daughter of Palmerin d'Oliva, Flerida by name, married Don Duardos,
son of Fadrique, king of Great Britain, and became the mother of
Palmerin of England and his brother, Floriano of the Desert. Duardos
having been imprisoned in the castle of the giant Dramusiando by
Eutropa, a magician, a savage carries off Palmerin and Floriano
intending them as food for his hunting lions, but his wife insists on
bringing them up. Palmerin is taken to Constantinople and appointed to
wait on his cousin Polinarda, with whom he falls in love; while Floriano
is taken to London and appointed to wait on Flerida. Palmerin and
Floriano undertake the quest of Don Duardos, and the former is
successful. Thereafter the identity of the brothers is revealed and
Palmerin marries Polinarda. Then the Soldan advances against the
Christians and demands the surrender of Polinarda as a condition
of peace. Finally the Turks attack Constantinople; all the Turks
and most of the Christians perish, but Palmerin survives.
Munday translated the Palmerin cycle into English (through a French
intermediary), 1581-95. It was highly popular with the Elizabethan
middle classes, and there are many references to Palmerin in the plays
of the time (e.g. The Knight of the Burning Pestle, where the vogue for
such chivalric fantasies is mocked). A revised translation by Southey
appeared in 1807, in which Southey suggests debts to Palmerin from
Shakespeare, Spenser, and Sidney. See The Palmerin Romances in
Elizabethan Prose Fiction (1947) by M. Tatchell.>>
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*CALIPHia's Isle*
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_A Miscellany of American Place Names_ by Jim Cocola
http://www.sparknotes.com/content/names/
<<California itself was named by Hernan Cortes, who became the first
European to explore it in 1535. The name is said to originate from
a best-selling romance of the period, titled Las Sergas de ESPLANDIAN.
This fanciful novel of chivalry, written by popular writer Garcia
Ordonez de Montalvo, details the exploits of a courtier named
ESPLANDIAN, who travels extensively in search of adventures and
adventuresses. The book mentions "Las Sergas de ESPLANDIAN", a magical
island ruled over by the ever-youthful Queen Caliphia. The isle is
populated by a race of cave-dwelling warrior women, and because no men
exist on the island, the women form unions with foreign men to bear
children during peacetime. During wartime, however, the foreign men
become fodder for cannibalistic feasts, and heir unfortunate sons are
turned into puppy chow for the large population of pet griffins on the
island. Only the daughters remain, raised on a combination of tough love
and (male) human flesh. A society promoting itself as heaven on earth,
where people refuse to grow older and the family is disintegrating;
a land where the sex is casual, the women are man-eaters
and the pets are exotic, ridiculous and overfed.
Such was Queen Caliphia's isle. And such is California.>>
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"Who more sincere than ESPLANDIAN?"
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Don Quixote by Cervantes - Translated by John Ormsby
PART 1 CHAPTER VI
OF THE DIVERTING AND IMPORTANT SCRUTINY WHICH THE CURATE AND
THE BARBER MADE IN THE LIBRARY OF OUR INGENIOUS GENTLEMAN
The first that Master Nicholas put into his hand was "The four books
of Amadis of Gaul." "This seems a mysterious thing," said the curate,
"for, as I have heard say, this was the first book of chivalry
printed in Spain, and from this all the others derive their birth
and origin; so it seems to me that we ought inexorably to condemn
it to the flames as the founder of so vile a sect."
"Nay, sir," said the barber, "I too, have heard say that this is the
best of all the books of this kind that have been written, and so,
as something singular in its line, it ought to be pardoned."
"True," said the curate; "and for that reason let its life be
spared for the present. Let us see that other which is next to it."
"It is," said the barber, "the 'Sergas de ESPLANDIAN,'
the lawful son of Amadis of Gaul."
"Then verily," said the curate, "the merit of the father must not be
put down to the account of the son. Take it, mistress housekeeper;
open the window and fling it into the yard and lay the
foundation of the pile for the bonfire we are to make."
The housekeeper obeyed with great satisfaction, and the worthy
"ESPLANDIAN" went flying into the yard to await with all patience
the fire that was in store for him.
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<<The solution to the problem was given by the Reverend Edward Everett
Hale. Reverend Hale discussed the origin of the name California in
a paper he read before the American Antiquarian Society in Boston
on April 30, 1862. It is interesting that he based his conclusions
on the romance Las Sergas de ESPLANDIAN discussed above.>>
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PROSPERO'S HEN by Joseph L. Eldredge
http://www.humilitypress.org/a_little_room/prosperos_hen.htm
<<The first time The Tempest was linked to the Vineyard and Cuttyhunk
was in 1902 when Rev. Edward Everett Hale discovered similarities
between phrases and word patterns in two journals kept on Bartholomew
Gosnold's 1602 voyage and certain lines in the Shakespeare drama.
He described his findings in a talk to
the American Antiquarian Society in Worcester.>>
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Dave Kathman wrote:
<<The publisher of *Palladis Tamia*, CUTHBERT BURBY,
was also a good friend of MUNDAY,
with whom he had engaged in some shady publishing
ventures in the early 1590s. He apparently ticked off Meres, who
at the last minute inserted a Latin epistle at the beginning of
his book in which he accused Burby of being stingy with paper and
holding back some of Meres' best material. When Burby realized
what the epistle said, he tore it out of all subsequent copies,
but some had already been sold, one of which survives today.
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The Halliwell or Regius MS
http://tracingboard.com/Halliwell_MS.htm
Circa 1390 C.E.
<<The existence of this MS. has been known for a long time, but its
contents were mistaken until Mr. Halliwell-Phillips drew attention to
it in a paper "On the introduction of Freemasonry into England," read
before the Society of Antiquaries in the 1838-9 session. He thereafter
published two small editions of a work entitled "The Early History
of Freemasonry in England," giving a transcript of the poem.>>
Neither subject nor servant, my dear brother,
Though he be not so perfect as is another;
Each shall call other fellows by *CUTHE*, (friendship)
Because they come of ladies' *BIRTH*.
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CUTHE-BIRTH is a shibboleth for FREEMASON!
BUR-BAGE means BOAR-BADGE! (Oxford, Bacon)
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Perhaps Vere Servant
& staunch anti-Catholic CUTHE-BIRTH
Anthony Munday is HACK-RIDER Cervantes
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1583 Lessor of Blackfriars Theatre: Edward de Vere
1596 Lessor of Blackfriars Theatre: CUTHBERT BURBage
1608 Lessor of Blackfriars Theatre: Shakspere
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Art Neuendorffer
Al Cunniff
> THE ENTIRE WORKS OF SHAKESPEARE, PLUS ALL OF MARLOWE!!
Rita,
You've opened my eyes to another possibilty which hold
equal weight to your theory. I believe that Beaumont and
Marlowe collaborated on plays and issued them under the
name Shakespeare. Of course this makes me a Beaulovian.
-Al
Elisabeth Riba
> "David Kathman" <dj...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message news:<av388s$bhq$1...@slb2.atl.mindspring.net>...
> <snip>
>> >david
>>
>> I love it that when Rubbo's film wanted to present "parallelisms"
>> between Marlowe and Shakespeare, one of them was Shakespeare's
>> explicity quotation of Marlowe from AYLI ("Who ever loved that
>> loved not at first sight") and another was Shakespeare's overt
>> parody of a line from Marlowe's Tamburlaine in 2H4 ("Holla,
>> ye pampered jades of Asia"). To somebody who doesn't know either
>> man's work, these probably sound impressive, because Rubbo
>> neglects to mention that they're explicit tributes/parodies
>> of Marlowe by Shakespeare.
> What about the *massive* parallelism between Shakespeare and Beaumont
> in 'The Knight of the Burning Pestle'? I am obviously the first person
> in history to notice this. How strange. Still - I now claim the honour
> of being the first Beaumontian. Yes indeed, FRANCIS BEAUMONT WROTE
> THE ENTIRE WORKS OF SHAKESPEARE, PLUS ALL OF MARLOWE!!
No, no, no.
I was explaining all this parallelism to my husband last night, and he
remembered this musical called "West Side Story" which had so much
parallelism to Romeo and Juliet that it had to be the same tale.
Clearly ARTHUR LAURENTS was Shakespeare!
Tom Veal
distinct parallels between Beaumont's life and that of the mythical
Stratford Man, to wit, both are recorded as having been born, both got
married, and both retired to the country, dying just a few years
afterward. What explanation can there be for such "coincidences"
except that Beaumont and "Shakespeare" were the same man?
Beaumont forever!!!
Art Neuendorffer <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<3E172997...@comcast.net>...
Art Neuendorffer
>>
>>>What about the *massive* parallelism between Shakespeare and Beaumont
>>>in 'The Knight of the Burning Pestle'? I am obviously the first person
>>>in history to notice this. How strange. Still - I now claim the honour
>>>of being the first Beaumontian. Yes indeed, FRANCIS BEAUMONT WROTE
>>>THE ENTIRE WORKS OF SHAKESPEARE, PLUS ALL OF MARLOWE!!
>>>
>>>This means my candidate was brainier, more courtly and more cultivated
>>>than everyone else's put together, as he had to write his earliest
>>>work while still a foetus. What a boy!
>>>
>>>How do I get in touch with this Mike Rubbo?
>>>
>>>Rita Lamb
>>>(Beaumontian)
> Art Neuendorffer <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote:
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March 6, 1616 Francis Beaumont's non-Tomb in Westminster
<<MORTALITY, behold and FEAR!
What a CHANGE OF FLESH is HERE!
Think how many royal BONES
Sleep within this HEAP OF STONES:>>
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ORB, n. [F.orbe] A GLOBE.
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April 23, 1616 William Shakspere's MONUMENT/EPITAPH
<<Good friend for Iesus sake F(orb)EAR(e)
To digg the dust encloased HE(a)RE:
Blest be ye man yt spares thes STONES
And CURST be he yt moves my BONES.>>
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"What needs my *Shakespear* for his honour'd BONES,
The labour of an age in piled STONES?
Or that his hallow'd reliques should be HID [HUT]
Under a STAR-y-pointing *PYRAMID*?
Dear son of MEMORY, great *HEIR of FAME* ,
What need'st thou SUCH WEAK WITNES OF THY NAME?
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Tom Veal wrote:
> I think that you've proven Rita's thesis!
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Encyclopedia Brittanica on Beaumont&Fletcher:
<<they are acutely interested in several problems
that fascinate the modern theatre:
1) the relationships between fictions and truths,
2) the problem of identity,
3) the adoption of roles.>>
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John Aubrey on Beaumont&Fletcher:
<<They lived together on the Banke side, not far from the Play-house,
both batchelors; lay together...; had one wench in the house
between them...; the same cloathes and cloake, & c., betweene them>>
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[http://tekka.wwa.com/~mjm/almanac2/february/0218.html]
Feb. 18, 1455, Fra Angelico dies
March 6, 1475, MichelAngelo is born
Feb. 18, 1516, Mary Tudor is born
Feb. 18, 1546, Martin Luther dies
Feb. 18, 1564, MichelAngelo dies
Feb. 18, 1587, Mary Stuart dies
March 6, 1616, Fra. Beaumont dies
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Mark Twain on Francis Beaumont
[http://www.pe.net/~jmd/1601.html]:
<<Francis Beaumont(1584-1616) Jacobean Playwright and Poet. Attempted to
study the law at Oxford, never getting a degree, devoting more time to
enjoying the hospitality of the Mermaid Tavern than to pursuing his
legal studies. He collaborated with John Fletcher on many works, but is
probably best remembered for the ribald and farcical _The Knight of the
Burning Pestle_ (1607).>>
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Question:
How does a 32 year old mediocre poet/playwright like
Francis Beaumont get into POET'S CORNER, anyhow?
Answer:
Befriend the son of the man (Bishop Fletcher) who tried to
talk the King's mom (Mary Stuart) into repenting her faith
on the very day of her execution.
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<<"Do your duty," said Mary. She felt a great peace flooding her;
she smiled.
Just then a portly churchman, in full vestments, leaned over the
platform. "I am the Dean of Peterborough!" he said in ringing tones.
"It is not too late to embrace the true faith! Yea, the Reforemd
Religion, which hath---"
Not this! She was taken aback;
never had she expected this, at this time.
"Change your opinion, and repent you of your former wickedness!"
he cried.
Mary shut her ears to it and began to pray in Latin.>>
--Margaret George _Mary Queen of Scotland and the Isles_
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Art Neuendorffer
Rita
> I think that you've proven Rita's thesis! Furthermore, there are
> distinct parallels between Beaumont's life and that of the mythical
> Stratford Man, to wit, both are recorded as having been born, both got
> married, and both retired to the country, dying just a few years
> afterward. What explanation can there be for such "coincidences"
> except that Beaumont and "Shakespeare" were the same man?
>
> Beaumont forever!!!
>
wait and see what the lamebrains on this group can come up with by way
of denying our irrefutable claim. (Prepare yourself for a load of
personal abuse and a lot of nonsense about some bloke from Stratford.)
Rita Lamb
President, Beaumontian Society (UK)
Rita
> >>Rita wrote:
> >>
> >>>What about the *massive* parallelism between Shakespeare and Beaumont
> >>>in 'The Knight of the Burning Pestle'? I am obviously the first person
> >>>in history to notice this. How strange. Still - I now claim the honour
> >>>of being the first Beaumontian. Yes indeed, FRANCIS BEAUMONT WROTE
> >>>THE ENTIRE WORKS OF SHAKESPEARE, PLUS ALL OF MARLOWE!!
> >>>
>
> > Art Neuendorffer <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> John Aubrey on Beaumont&Fletcher:
>
> <<They lived together on the Banke side, not far from the Play-house,
> both batchelors; lay together...; had one wench in the house
> between them...; the same cloathes and cloake, & c., betweene them>>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
it wrong, as usual. Beaumont suffered all his life from Multiple
Personality Disorder, probably brought on by the strain of writing
pseudonymously. He himself was 'Fletcher' - hence the use of same
house, clothes, girl etc. In fact most of the people in Aubrey's
'Brief Lives' are actually Beaumont, under different names.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Mark Twain on Francis Beaumont
> [http://www.pe.net/~jmd/1601.html]:
>
> <<Francis Beaumont(1584-1616) Jacobean Playwright and Poet. Attempted to
> study the law at Oxford, never getting a degree, devoting more time to
> enjoying the hospitality of the Mermaid Tavern than to pursuing his
> legal studies. He collaborated with John Fletcher on many works, but is
> probably best remembered for the ribald and farcical _The Knight of the
> Burning Pestle_ (1607).>>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Twain was mad. Everybody knows that. He entertained ludicrous
theories about the authorship of the Beaumont canon.
<snip>
> "Change your opinion, and repent you of your former wickedness!"
> he cried.
> Mary shut her ears to it and began to pray in Latin.>>
Always a sound move.
Rita
Rita
> Rita <David...@tesco.net> wrote:
<Snip>
> > in 'The Knight of the Burning Pestle'? I am obviously the first person
> > in history to notice this. How strange. Still - I now claim the honour
> > of being the first Beaumontian. Yes indeed, FRANCIS BEAUMONT WROTE
> > THE ENTIRE WORKS OF SHAKESPEARE, PLUS ALL OF MARLOWE!!
>
> No, no, no.
> I was explaining all this parallelism to my husband last night, and he
> remembered this musical called "West Side Story" which had so much
> parallelism to Romeo and Juliet that it had to be the same tale.
> Clearly ARTHUR LAURENTS was Shakespeare!
Oh puh-lease. You'll be claiming it was some grain dealer from Stratford next.
Rita Lamb
Perpetual President, Beaumontian Society (UK)
Rita
Struth, I've only just started this sect and already we have a
schismatic...
Look, Al - there NEVER WAS any 'Christopher Marlowe'. It was just a
persona invented by Beaumont when he was four. Surely that's obvious?
Rita Lamb
Beaumontian
Art Neuendorffer
> Tom...@ix.netcom.com (Tom Veal) wrote:
>>I think that you've proven Rita's thesis! Furthermore, there are
>>distinct parallels between Beaumont's life and that of the mythical
>>Stratford Man, to wit, both are recorded as having been born, both got
>>married, and both retired to the country, dying just a few years
>>afterward. What explanation can there be for such "coincidences"
>>except that Beaumont and "Shakespeare" were the same man?
>>
>>Beaumont forever!!!
Rita wrote:
> Welcome, Brother Veal. I think you've summarised the evidence. Let's
> wait and see what the lamebrains on this group can come up with by way
> of denying our irrefutable claim. (Prepare yourself for a load of
> personal abuse and a lot of nonsense about some bloke from Stratford.)
>
> Rita Lamb
> President, Beaumontian Society (UK)
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married & retired to the country
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<<Beaumont married an heiress, *Ursula* Isley of Sundridge, in 1613 and
left the stage. Of the 50 or so plays ascribed to Beaumont & Fletcher,
only seven or eight can be confidently said to be Beaumont's work in
any significant part. Francis Beaumont died suddenly of a fever in 1616
and was mourned by many, not least by his closest friend, Fletcher.
Beaumont was buried in Westminster Abbey. The first collected
edition of the plays of Beaumont & Fletcher came out in 1647.>>
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Edward de Vere marries daughter of *Treasurer* Lord Burghley:
Anne Cecil [age *15*] on DECEMBER 19, 1571
(during Venus/URANUS/Sun conj.)
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Anne Cecil = OPHELIA/OPALIA: DECEMBER 19
*Treasurer* Lord Burghley = POLONIUS
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<<Linkage between precession and the POLE star was first made by Sir
John Herschel in the context of the alignment of the Great Pyramid
in 1836. (I am conscious that this will probably provoke lengthy
posts on pyramidology from Art Neuendorffer.)>> - Nicholas Whyte
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In December 1612 Galileo recorded the planet Neptune
without realizing it near the planet Jupiter;
at the time Uranus was located *at 24 GEMINI*
Two complete Uranian cycles later (84 years X 2) on Mar. 13, 1781,
Uranus would become the first outer planet discovered
by Sir William Herschel in Bath, England *at 24 GEMINI* .>>
http://www.mcn.org/greatbear/neptune2.html
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unmarried & retired to the country
(Mr. W.H.) William Herschel in his Bath
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/c_a_plicht/06hersch.htm
<<Friedrich Wilhelm Herschel was born in Hannover November, 15th 1738.
On December 9th 1766 he moved to BATH where he rented a house
with friends from Leeds, the Bulmans, at BEAUFORT Square.
On October, 4th 1767 he started his new career as an organist at the
privately owned Octagon church. In the summer of 1772 Wilhelm Herschel
went to Hannover to help his sister Karoline with the travel to Bath.
In 1773 Wilhelm Herschels interest in astronomy suddenly grew.>>
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Dr. Watson
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http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/c_a_plicht/06hersch.htm
<<In 1779 the Herschels moved to 5 RiVER Street. The reason for this
is not known, the house had no garden and was unsuitable for telescope
work. So Wilhelm one evening placed his telescope on the street right
beside the house, when a man passing by asked to have a view of the
moon. The other morning this man visited again and introduced himself
as Dr William Watson, member of the Royal Society and founder of a
philosophical society in Bath. He invited Herschel to join this society.
Between 1779 and 1781 W. Herschel had measured the heights of about
a hundred moon mountains, writing down his results. These papers
were first presented to the Royal Society *by Dr Watson* .>>
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[ http://www.athenapub.com/britbath.htm ]
<<Today's town of BATH, England contained an ancient shrine to Sulis,
the Celtic goddess of healing. In the late 1st century AD the Romans
built a bath complex around the sacred spring, calling it Aquae Sulis.
Near the baths was erected a temple to SULIS
merged with the Roman goddess of wisdom, MinERva.>>
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SULIS/ Spearshaker of Avon
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Ur-SULA and the 11,000 Virgins of Cologne (RM)
http://users.erols.com/saintpat/ss/1021.htm
<<Baring-Gould suggests that Saint Ursula with her bow & arrow,
her ship & company of maidens, sails up the Rhine as *URSHEL* ,
the Teutonic moon goddess, sailed before her,
with all the graceful attributes of Isis & Diana.
Saint Ursula is represented as a princess holding an arrow
(1) with maidens under her mantle;
(2) an angel comes to her as she sleeps ;
(3) she takes leave of her royal parents;
(4) in a boat surrounded by maidens and ecclesiastics,
as she sails down the Rhein; or
(5) she and her companions massacred by bowmen.>>
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<<On 18 September 1783 Euler spent the first half of the day as usual.
He gave a mathematics lesson to one of his grandchildren, did some
calculations with chalk on two boards on the motion of balloons; then
discussed with Lexell & Fuss the recently discovered planet URANUS.
About five o'clock in the afternoon he suffered a brain haemorrhage
and uttered only "I am dying" before he lost consciousness.
He died about ELEVEN o'clock in the evening.>>
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<<Uranus is often brighter than 6th magnitude, which makes it just
barely visible to the unaided eye. It's a wonder that no one had
discovered it before. Although Uranus had been recorded as a star,
apparently its slow motion through the sky allowed it to go undetected
as a planet. Herschel also discovered two of the moons of Uranus,
Oberon & Titania, with his 20-foot long telescope on January 11, 1787.
By this night six years later Uranus had moved up the left "twin"
to a position to the east of Pollux.>>
http://www.skyhound.com/george.htm
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On August 6, 1623, Maffeo Barberini is elected Pope Urban VIII
He declared INIGO Y-ONAZ, (Ignatius Loyola) to be a saint.
following a rare OCCULTATION of Uranus by Jupiter.
http://www.ctv.es/USERS/aramirez/cielos/remoto/occplan.html
Greg. date/time
1623/08/15 16.51 0°00'04"99 JUP - URA 15.58" 1.81" 9W
[Surely someone must have seen these two planets
close together with one of the new telescopes!
Uranus is practically visible to the naked eye.]
On the same day Anne Hathaway dies in Stratford
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On the 14th anniversary of Anne Hathaway's death [August 6, 1637]
Ben Jonson was BURIED UPRIGHT against the wall of his crypt.
'Two feet by two feet will do for all I want'. - Jonson
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Feastday of St. ADRIAN [patron saint of BUTCHERS]
September 8, 1560, Amy Robsart BREAKS neck at bottom of staircase
September 8, 1601, Shakespeare's father, John, buried
September 8, 1608, Shakespeare's mother, Mary, dies
September 8, 1611, FORMAN SIMon dies: "An IMPOST, an IMPOST"
September 8, 1644, Francis QUARLES (_Hièroglyphikes_) dies
September 8, 1573, Caravaggio born
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Yogi Buchon wrote:
> The only time Caravaggio signed his name to a painting was when he
> signed "Michelangelo", his first name, in a stream of blood depicted
> in the painting of the beheading of St. John the Baptist on Malta.
>
> Finally, there seem to be subtle suggestions of the legend of St.
> Ursula within WT--a Sicilian queen, a virgin girl making a sea voyage,
> a storm during the sea voyage, a virgin girl being sacrificed,
> Bohemian barbarians versus civilized Sicilians, a noble marriage, the
> stage direction "Exit pURSUed by [an ursula]", et cetera. The legend
> of St Ursula was well known in Britain. In the case of WT it would be
> a Siclian Ursula rather than a British Ursula. Even if these
> suggestions are accepted, so what? Well, it turns out that the last
> painting Caravaggio did was *Ursula Transfixed* completed in Naples
> about May of 1610. The model he used for Ursula was the same Sicilian
> maiden he used within his painting of Lazarus in Messina, and within
> his painting of a nativity scene in Palermo. So, Caravaggio had
> painted a Sicilian Ursula!! How coincidental once more!!
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http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/c/caravagg/11/73ursula.html
The Martyrdom of St Ursula 1610
Oil on canvas, 154 x 178 cm
Banca Commerciale Italiana, Naples
<<This, another of the newly rediscovered paintings by Caravaggio, dates
to his final weeks in Naples, before the ill-fated sea-trip back towards
Rome and the pardon which was awaiting him. Saint Ursula was a popular
Christian saint, remembered for her legendary refusal to marry a pagan
Hun. Caravaggio has picked on the climactic moment of her martyrdom,
when her frustrated suitor has just fired an arrow at her - here at
point-blank range which is piercing her breast.
In the dimly lit scene the saint gazes at the arrow with an air of quiet
concern, while the Hun stares at her, his eyes shaded in darkness, one
attendant looking at his hand and another, who must be modelled on
Caravaggio himself, peering from the back, anxious to watch the
proceedings. It is the last time that Caravaggio sees himself as an
anguished spectator, but in pictorial terms the painting seems to
presage what might have been a fresh stage in his career, for the Hun is
painted with a new boldness in the brushwork. The varnish was still wet
in May. In early July, Caravaggio was dead.>>
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The Legend of St. Ursula (Feast October 21)
http://www.magna.com.au/~stursula/our_college/legend.htm
<<In the Church of St. Ursula at Cologne there is a stone (dating to the
4th Century) with the inscription indicating that Clematius rebuilt a
ruined basilica in honour of virgins martyred on the spot. Some stories
say there were seven thousand, others eleven; the confusion being caused
by the use of the letter XIM - which could stand for eleven martyrs or
eleven thousand. One version of the legend is that Ursula was British
and was slain by the Huns at Cologne in 451. Whatever the facts, the
legend caught people's imagination. Ursula was seen as the Patroness of
Youth and because of her leadership of young girls, as a patroness of
learning.>>
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http://www.ntin.net/McDaniel/1021.htm
October 21 => Feast day of St. Ursula, the patroness of brides.
On October 21, 1692, William Penn was deposed as Governor of
Pennsylvania. His overtures of gratefulness to King James II for
permitting religious freedom for dissenters of the Church of England
led William & Mary to charge Penn with being a papist.
On October 21, 1772, Samuel Taylor Coleridge was born in the
parsonage at Ottery Saint Mary in Devon. He and Robert Southey planned
to form a socialist community in Pennsylvania on the banks of the
Susquehanna. The plan never materialized. He was the most brilliant but
the least productive of the English Romantic poets because of his innate
inaction.
On October 21, 1797, Old Ironsides, the U.S. Navy frigate
Constitution, was launched in Boston's harbor.
On October 21, 1805, the Battle of Trafalgar ended Napoleon's hope
for naval power. Lord Horatio Nelson lost his life.
On October 21, 1914, Martin Gardner, yeoman in the Navy,
was born in tULSA, Oklahoma.
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St. Ursula Feastday: October 21
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saints/ursula.html
<<According to a legend that appeared in the tenth century, Ursula was
the daughter of a Christian king in Britain and was granted a three year
postponement of a marriage she did not wish, to a pagan prince. With ten
ladies in waiting, each attended by a thousand maidens, she embarked
on a voyage across the North sea, sailed up the Rhine to Basle,
Switzerland, and then went to Rome. On their way back, they were all
massacred by pagan Huns at Cologne in about 451 when Ursula refused to
marry their chieftain. According to another legend, Amorica was settled
by British colonizers and soldiers after Emporer Magnus Clemens Maximus
conquered Britain and Gaul in 383. The ruler of the settlers, Cynan
Meiriadog, called on King Dionotus of Cornwall for wives for the
settlers, whereupon Dionotus sent his daughter Ursula, who was to marry
Cynan, with eleven thousand maidens and sixty thousand common women.
There fleet was shipwrecked and all the women were enslaved or murdered.
The legends are pious fictions, but what is true is that one Clematius,
a senator, rebuilt a basilica in Cologne that had originally been built,
probably at the beginning of the fourth century, to honor a group of
virgins who had been martyred at Cologne. They were evidently venerated
enough to have had a church built in their honor, but who they were and
how many of them there were, are unknown. From these meager facts, the
legend of Ursula grew and developed.>>
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BOTTLED BEERS, THE PREHISTORY
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/John_Mann/history.htm
<<A problem in looking at the origins of bottled beer is the confusion
between glass and stoneware (or even leather) bottles as we understand
the word and leather drinking vessels called bottels which were in use
in the 16th and 17th centuries. Thus in Ben Jonson's play Bartholomew
Fair (1631), URSULA calls for "A Bottle of Ale to quench me, rascal".
Earlier, when the Globe Theatre burnt down there was a story that the
only casualty was a man whose breeches caught fire, and that he was
saved when a bottle of ale was thrown over them extinguishing the
flames. But in either case, was the bottle a container as we
understand it or a leather drinking mug?>>
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[Mithrian Empereor DIOCLETIAN was grandfather to Gog & Magog.]
24 Feb 303 => Xian persecution under Maximian/DIOCLETIAN begins
Sts. Dorothy, Agnes, Lucy, Alban, Pancras,
Crispin, Crispinian, Quentin & Julitta
and St. URSULA die
23 Apr 303 => Saint George tortured & executed at Nicomedia
25 May 303 => Venus TRANSIT
18 Oct 303 => Mercury TRANSIT
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4 Mar 1526 => *Henry Carey (Baron Hunsdon) born*
1526 => *de Vere's grandfather becomes 15th Earl*
1526 => Bohemia came under the rule of Habsburgs
1526 =>St Paul's Boys acted Terence's Phormio f. Wolsey
1526 => Aethiopica of Heliodorus discovered
2 Jun 1526 => Venus TRANSIT
3 Nov 1526 => Mercury TRANSIT
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1526 + 105 years = 2 x 46 + 13 (Mercury) = 113.5 - 8 (Venus)
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7 Feb 1631 => Gabriel Harvey dies
1631 => Andrew Wise, Grand Prior/Knights of Malta, dies
31 Mar 1631 => John Donne dies after his own funeral sermon
30 May 1631 => Max van Bavarian signs Fontainebleau Accord
Jun 1631 => Captain John Smith dies in London
19 Aug 1631 => John Dryden born
1631 => John WeEVER _Ancient Funerall Monuments
1631 => Ben Jonson's play Bartholomew Fair
Ursula: "A Bottle of Ale to quench me, rascal"
1631 => Harriot's postumous algebra tract published
17 Sep 1631 => Gustavus' ADOLPHUS defeats Tilly at Breitenfeld
7 Nov 1631 => Mercury TRANSIT
6 Dec 1631 => Venus TRANSIT
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1631 + 138 years = 3 x 46 (Mercury) = 129.5 + 8 (Venus)
1526 + 243 years = 250 - 7 (Mercury) = 243 years (Venus)
[26 Aug 1768 => Cook sets sail on Endeavor to view TRANSITS]
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1 May 1769 => Arthur Wellesley, Duke of Wellington born
3 June 1769 => Venus TRANSIT
Balsamo meets with Adam Weishaupt & Casanova
Sep 1769 => *Shakespeare Jubilee of Stratford*
9 Nov 1769 => Mercury TRANSIT
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1769 *Shakespeare Jubilee of Stratford* celebrated the double TRANSIT
of *Henry Carey (Baron Hunsdon) birth
[and/or the 15th Earl of Oxford].
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23 Jul 1567 => Mary Queen of Scots abdicates
23 Jul 1567 => Vere kills Thomas Brincknell
23 Jul 1595 => Spanish burn Penzance & Mousehole
23 Jul 1596 => Henry Carey (Baron Hunsdon) dies
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Shakespeare's patron: Lord Chamberlain Harry Carey(Lord Hunsdon)
is in an elaborate Westminster Abbey tomb (including a Freemason
checkerboard tombchest & 10 (count them 10) obelisks!:
<<The tombchest itself, flanked at the corners by four obelisks
decorated with shields, is placed inside an ARCH with a coffered VAULT,
the back of which is embellished with strapwork ornament, heraldic
devices and winged books. Further obelisks, surmounting the general
structure display more heraldry. At the very top is a lantern,
resembling that which may be seen in Hollar's engraving of the 2nd
Globe. The ARCH is surmounted by an achievement of arms, flanked
by obelisks which stand on bases decorated with Carey beasts,
urns and fruit.>> -- _The Shakespeare Legacy_ Jean Wilson.
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The Tragedy of Chrononhotonthologos:
The most tragical tragedy
that ever was tragediz'd
by any company of tragedians, :-(
by Henry Carey (c1687-1743)
but variously published under the pseudonym
Benjamin Bounce, esq., or Robert Carey
Includes two of the country of Queerummania's most loyal courtiers,
ALDIBORONTIPHOSCOPHORNIO & RIGDUM-FUNNIDOS.
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E. Cobham Brewer 1810-1897. Dictionary of Phrase and Fable. 1898.
Chronon-hoton-thol'ogos [ch = k].
A burlesque pomposo in Henry Carey's farce, so called.
Anyone who delivers an inflated address. 1
"Aldiborontephoscophornio, where left you
Chrononhotonthologos?"--H. Carey.
A burlesque of contemporary drama by H. Carey,
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Chrononhotonthologos is king of Queerummania,
and two of the characters are
Aldiborontiphoscophornia and Rigdum-Funnidos,
names which Sir W. Scott gave to James and John Ballantyne,
on account of the pomposity of the one
and the fun and cheerfulness of the other.
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Art Neuendorffer
Al Cunniff
> persona invented by Beaumont when he was four. Surely that's obvious?
Rita,
I'm going to have to admit your theory is looking very compelling,
based on the growing mountain of evidence. After reading your
post this morning I did an extensive search of extant Elizabethan
documents and found NOT A SINGLE LETTER from Beaumont to Marlowe.
Based on that proof I'm going to have to toss my oar into your
boat and agree that Beaumont is indeed the source of Shakespeare's
works, as well as those of Marlowe, as well as those of, well,
Beaumont of course.
However, I am already busy with the Clonaid cause and the many
duties that accompany that responsibility, so I'm not sure I
can attend the ongoing meetings that the burgeoning Beaumontian
Society will undoubtedly hold. Perhaps I could head up an offshoot
Raelian-Beaumontian club that could meet now and then to discuss the
role of cloning in the above matter?
-Al
Elisabeth Riba
Hmm.
Grain dealer
That's an anagram for "A gender liar"
Clearly, that means that it must be a WOMAN disguising herself as a man
who's writing all these plays involving boys playing girls disguising
themselves as boys.
I think we're finally onto something!
Art Neuendorffer
>>>>
>>>>>What about the *massive* parallelism between Shakespeare and Beaumont
>>>>>in 'The Knight of the Burning Pestle'? I am obviously the first person
>>>>>in history to notice this. How strange. Still - I now claim the honour
>>>>>of being the first Beaumontian. Yes indeed, FRANCIS BEAUMONT WROTE
>>>>>THE ENTIRE WORKS OF SHAKESPEARE, PLUS ALL OF MARLOWE!!
>Art Neuendorffer <aneuendor...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>--------------------------------------------------------------------
>> John Aubrey on Beaumont&Fletcher:
>>
>><<They lived together on the Banke side, not far from the Play-house,
>> both batchelors; lay together...; had one wench in the house
>>between them...; the same cloathes and cloake, & c., betweene them>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------------
Rita wrote:
> Hah. Recent research has proved there was no 'Fletcher' - Aubrey got
> it wrong, as usual. Beaumont suffered all his life from Multiple
> Personality Disorder, probably brought on by the strain of writing
> pseudonymously. He himself was 'Fletcher' - hence the use of same
> house, clothes, girl etc. In fact most of the people in Aubrey's
> 'Brief Lives' are actually Beaumont, under different names.
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So is Beaumont buried:
1) in an unmarked grave in St. Saviour's Church with Philip Massinger
2) or an unmarked grave in Poet's Corner with Chaucer & Spenser?
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<<It would seem only fitting that Fletcher should have been interred
near his dear friend and collaborator, Beaumont. However when he died
in 1625, he was buried in an unmarked grave in St. Saviour's Church, the
present Southwark Cathedral. Not only was Philip Massinger deposited in
this same church, but as we learn from apoem by his admirer and probable
patron, Sir Aston Cokayne,
An Epitaph on Mr. John Fletcher, and Mr. Philip Massinger,
Who Lie Buried Both in One Grave in
St. Mary Overies Church in Southwark.
In the same grave Fletcher was buried here
Lies the Stage-poet Philip Massinger:
Plays they did write together, were great friends,
And now one grave includes them at their ends.>>
- Matus
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http://original.bibliomania.com/Reference/BiographicalDictionary/data/0126.html
<<Massinger, Philip (b. 1583) was found dead in bed on March 16, 1640,
and was buried in St. Saviour's, Southwark, by some of the actors.
The burial register has the entry,
'buried Philip Massinger, a stranger.'>>
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Southwark Cathedral
Andrewes, Lancelot b. 1555. d. 1626. Author, Bishop of Winchester
and Dean of the Chapel Royal. A key figure in the development of the
Anglican Church.
Cure, Thomas d. May 24, 1588. Thomas Cure, Esq. has an old
& unique tomb in the nave.
Fletcher, John b. 1579. d. 1625. Dramatist, son of the Bishop of
London. He is believed to have collaborated with William Shakespeare
in writing "Two Noble Kinsmen" and "Henry VIII."
Gower, John d. 1408. Poet Laureate to Kings Richard II and Henry
IV. The 'first English poet' (because at that time most wrote in French
or Latin). In his monument his head rests on his three famous books, Vox
Clamantis (Latin), Speculum meditantis (French) and Confessio Amantis
(English).
Lockyer, Lionel d. 1672.
Quack doctor. Noted for his interesting epitaph.
Epitaph: Here Lockyer lies interr'd: enough: his name
Speakes one had few Competitors in Fame...
His Virtues and his PILLS are so well known
That envy can't confine them under stone.
Trehearne, John [epitaph] d. 1600.
'Gentleman Portar to King James the First.'
"Edmund Shakspeare, a player,
buried in the Church with a forenoone knell
of the great bell, xx s."
From the daybook of the sexton of St. Saviour's, Southwark,
for December 31, 1607: Burial. (Conj. of Saturn & Sun)
Harvard, John baptized in this church in 1607.
Hollar, Wenceslas [memorial marker] b. 1607. d. 1677. Artist and
engraver who died in poverty. His last words were addressed to the
bailiffs asking them not to remove his bed.
Wanamaker, Sam b. 1919. d. 1993. Actor, director, producer.
Originated idea to rebuild Shakespeare's Globe Theatre on the South bank
of the River Thames near its original location.
>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>> Mark Twain on Francis Beaumont
>> [http://www.pe.net/~jmd/1601.html]:
>>
>><<Francis Beaumont(1584-1616) Jacobean Playwright and Poet. Attempted to
>>study the law at Oxford, never getting a degree, devoting more time to
>>enjoying the hospitality of the Mermaid Tavern than to pursuing his
>>legal studies. He collaborated with John Fletcher on many works, but is
>>probably best remembered for the ribald and farcical _The Knight of the
>>Burning Pestle_ (1607).>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------
Rita wrote:
> Mark Twain was mad. Everybody knows that.
Including Samuel Clemens?
> He entertained ludicrous theories
> about the authorship of the Beaumont canon.
Only Ursula Isley knows how big the Beaumont canon was.
>> "Change your opinion, and repent you of your former wickedness!"
>> he cried.
>> Mary shut her ears to it and began to pray in Latin.>>
Rita wrote:
> Always a sound move.
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Much Ado About Nothing Act 1, Scene 1
Massinger: I see, lady, the gentleman is not in your BOOKS.
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Omnipotens, Sempiterne, VERE, et Vive DEUS, in adiutorium
meum intende: Domine Dominantium, REX Regum,
John Dee's Daily Oration for Wisdom
from "The First Book of the Mysteries"
[ http://www.sonic.net/fenwick/enochian/enocorat.txt ]
---------------------------------------------------------------
The Taming of the Shrew Act 2, Scene 1
TRANIO And, toward the education of your daughters,
I here bestow a simple instrument,
And this small packet of Greek and Latin BOOKS:
If you accept them, then their worth is great.
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Art Neuendorffer
Art Neuendorffer
>>>>What about the *massive* parallelism between Shakespeare and Beaumont
>>>>in 'The Knight of the Burning Pestle'? I am obviously the first person
>>>>in history to notice this. How strange. Still - I now claim the honour
>>>>of being the first Beaumontian. Yes indeed, FRANCIS BEAUMONT WROTE
>>>>THE ENTIRE WORKS OF SHAKESPEARE, PLUS ALL OF MARLOWE!!
>>Elisabeth Riba <l...@osmond-riba.org> wrote:
>>>No, no, no.
>>>I was explaining all this parallelism to my husband last night, and he
>>>remembered this musical called "West Side Story" which had so much
>>>parallelism to Romeo and Juliet that it had to be the same tale.
>>>Clearly ARTHUR LAURENTS was Shakespeare!
> Rita <David...@tesco.net> wrote:
>
>>Oh puh-lease. You'll be claiming it was some grain dealer from Stratford next.
Elisabeth Riba wrote:
> Hmm.
> Grain dealer
> That's an anagram for "A gender liar"
Agendum, n.; pl. {Agenda}.
[L., neut. of the gerundive of agere *to act* ]
Something to be done; in the pl., a memorandum book.
Art Neuendorffer
>>Look, Al - there NEVER WAS any 'Christopher Marlowe'. It was just a
>>persona invented by Beaumont when he was four. Surely that's obvious?
Al Cunniff wrote:
> I'm going to have to admit your theory is looking very compelling,
> based on the growing mountain of evidence. After reading your
> post this morning I did an extensive search of extant Elizabethan
> documents and found NOT A SINGLE LETTER from Beaumont to Marlowe.
> Based on that proof
> I'm going to have to toss my oar into your boat
Watch you language, Al! Kyds may be reading this.
> and agree that Beaumont is indeed the source of Shakespeare's
> works, as well as those of Marlowe, as well as those of, well,
> Beaumont of course.
>
> However, I am already busy with the Clonaid cause and the many
> duties that accompany that responsibility, so I'm not sure I
> can attend the ongoing meetings that the burgeoning Beaumontian
> Society will undoubtedly hold. Perhaps I could head up an offshoot
> Raelian-Beaumontian club that could meet now and then to discuss
> the role of cloning in the above matter?
How about a Rita & Al Cun-niff man Prize:
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The Rita & Al Cun-niff man Prize: 15,000 pazzuzzas
If anyone can 'satisfy the world of Shakespearean scholarship
that the entire works of Shakespeare and Marlowe
were written in utero by Francis Beaumont.
----------------------------------------------------
Art Neuendorffer
P.S. Is the website of Terry and the Pirate (Kathman)
actually by Milton Cunniff?
Al Cunniff
Bob Grumman
> > persona invented by Beaumont when he was four. Surely that's obvious?
>
> Rita,
>
> I'm going to have to admit your theory is looking very compelling,
> based on the growing mountain of evidence. After reading your
> post this morning I did an extensive search of extant Elizabethan
> documents and found NOT A SINGLE LETTER from Beaumont to Marlowe.
> Based on that proof I'm going to have to toss my oar into your
> boat and agree that Beaumont is indeed the source of Shakespeare's
> works, as well as those of Marlowe, as well as those of, well,
> Beaumont of course.
I'm with you until your last nine words, Al. The idea that an Elizabethan
would have written works his OWN NAME was on the title pages of is, is . . .
words fail me.
--Bob G.
Spam Scone
> Grain dealer
> That's an anagram for "A gender liar"
> Clearly, that means that it must be a WOMAN disguising herself as a man
> who's writing all these plays involving boys playing girls disguising
> themselves as boys.
> I think we're finally onto something!
Ms. Riba,
A lunatic NYC cabdriver named Sam Sloan has published a webpage
claiming Oxford's wife wrote the plays, because "everyone knows" women
write better than men.
lyra
> In December 1612 Galileo recorded the planet Neptune
> without realizing it near the planet Jupiter;
>
> at the time Uranus was located *at 24 GEMINI*
>
> Two complete Uranian cycles later (84 years X 2) on Mar. 13, 1781,
> Uranus would become the first outer planet discovered
>
> by Sir William Herschel in Bath, England *at 24 GEMINI* .>>
>
> http://www.mcn.org/greatbear/neptune2.html
> --------------------------------------------------------------
> <<Uranus is often brighter than 6th magnitude, which makes it just
> barely visible to the unaided eye. It's a wonder that no one had
> discovered it before. Although Uranus had been recorded as a star,
> apparently its slow motion through the sky allowed it to go undetected
> as a planet. Herschel also discovered two of the moons of Uranus,
> Oberon & Titania, with his 20-foot long telescope on January 11, 1787.
> By this night six years later Uranus had moved up the left "twin"
> to a position to the east of Pollux.>>
>
> http://www.skyhound.com/george.htm
Uranus is called by some "The Awakener",
and/or "The Magician" (cf. Prospero),
and has many moons, whose names include many characters
in Shakespeare plays (mostly women)...also,
for some reason, names from Alexander Pope's poetry.
lyra
Art Neuendorffer
>> In December 1612 Galileo recorded the planet Neptune
>> without realizing it near the planet Jupiter;
>>
>> at the time Uranus was located *at 24 GEMINI*
>>
>>Two complete Uranian cycles later (84 years X 2) on Mar. 13, 1781,
>> Uranus would become the first outer planet discovered
>>
>> by Sir William Herschel in Bath, England *at 24 GEMINI* .>>
>>
>> http://www.mcn.org/greatbear/neptune2.html
>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>><<Uranus is often brighter than 6th magnitude, which makes it just
>>barely visible to the unaided eye. It's a wonder that no one had
>>discovered it before. Although Uranus had been recorded as a star,
>>apparently its slow motion through the sky allowed it to go undetected
>> as a planet. Herschel also discovered two of the moons of Uranus,
>>Oberon & Titania, with his 20-foot long telescope on January 11, 1787.
>> By this night six years later Uranus had moved up the left "twin"
>> to a position to the east of Pollux.>>
>>
>> http://www.skyhound.com/george.htm
------------------------------------------------------
lyra wrote:
> Uranus is called by some "The Awakener",
> and/or "The Magician" (cf. Prospero),
> and has many moons, whose names include many characters
> in Shakespeare plays (mostly women)...also,
> for some reason, names from Alexander Pope's poetry.
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Compare Pope's 1740 Westminster Shakespeare statue:
http://www.sirbacon.org/gallery/west.htm
with the posture of the Vesalius'
"VIVITUR IN GENIO" skeleton:
http://mesl.itd.umich.edu/w/wantz/images/vesdi02.jpg
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Alexander Pope
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/apope.htm
<<In middle age Alexander Pope was 4ft 6in tall and wore a
stiffened canvas bodice to support his spine. Pope associating with
anti-Catholic Whig friends, but by 1713 he moved towards the Tories,
becaming one of the members of Scriblerus Club. His friends among
Tory intellectuals included Swift, Gay, Congreve
and Robert HARLEY, 1st Earl of Oxford.
During his last years Pope designed a romantic 'grot'
in a tunnel which linked the waterfront with his back garden.
It was walled with shells and pieces of MIRROR.
[Poisoned from eating potted eels] Pope died on May 30, 1744.>>
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<<Alexander Pope lived on the Thames River in Twickenham,
a village west of London. His grotto still exists
beneath the Saint James Independent School for Boys.
Pope oversaw the building of hothouses, a large "mount"
covered with trees, bushes, and heaps of rugged and mossy
stones (with a spiral path to the top, where one came upon
a large Forest seat, shaded by a tree); niches containing urns
and stone busts of Homer, Virgil, Marcus Aurelius, & CICERO; stone
pavilions at the water's edge; an ORANGERY; a bowling-green; an open
temple made of shells; an amphitheatre; a memorial obelisk to his
mother (erected in 1735); and, most importantly, his famous grotto,
the construction of which commenced in 1722. The grotto began
in the basement of the villa and ran under the road to the garden,
where a path led through a "wilderness" to the temple.>>
http://www.thecore.nus.edu.sg/landow/victorian/previctorian/pope/twickenham.html
http://panther.bsc.edu/~jtatter/popegrot.html
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/apope.htm
http://www.gardenvisit.com/g/pope.htm
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<<[Alexander Pope's] surroundings in Twickenham inspired Pope
to study horticulture and landscape gardening. He formed an
attachment with Lady Mary Wortley Montagu, his neighbor.
After his edition of William Shakespeare was attacked
he answered with the mock-epic THE DUNCIAD (1728).
Later in IMITATIONS OF HORACE (1733) Pope wrote an attack on
his former friend Lady MARY WORTLEY MONTAGU
as 'Sappho' (the tenth MUSE).>>
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Lady MARY WORTLEY MONTAGU
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Lady MARY WR(i)OTh(es)LEY MONTAGU Heneage
And as widow of the Treasurer of the Chamber (Thomas Heneage d.1592)
(e)arl of (s)outhampton's mother paid Kempe,
Shakespeare & BURBAGE 20 pounds FOR WORK NOT EVEN DONE:
<<1595-3-15: Royal record. An entry in the accounts of the Treasurer of
the Chamber reads: "To William Kempe, William Shakespeare and Richard
Burbage, servaunts to the Lord Chamberleyne, upon the Councille's
warrant dated at Whitehall XVth Marcij 1594, for two severall comedies
or enterludes shewed by them before her majestie in Christmas tyme laste
part viz St. Stephen's daye and Innocents daye...">>
But it was THE ADMIRAL's men (not the Lord Chamberlain's)
who played for the Queen on Innocent's Day (Dec. 28, 1594).
---------------------------------------------------------------
Dear son of *MEMORY*, great HEIR of FAME,
One of the original three Greek MUSEs,
M N E M E is the MUSE of *MEMORY*
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TOT HEONL IEBE
GET TEROF THES
EIN SVING [S] ONN
ETS [M] R WHA [L] LHA
PPI [N] E SS E [A] NDT
HAT [E] T ER N [I] TIE
PRO [M] I SE D [B] YOV
REV [E] R LI V [I] NGP
OET WISH E [T] HTH
EWE LLWI [S.] [H.] ING
ADV ENTV [R.] [E.] RIN
SET TING [F.] [O.] RTH
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F.R.S.: [F]ellow of the [R]oyal [S]ociety.
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1742 Alexander Pope: THE DUNCIAD: BOOK IV
"Who study *Shakespeare* at the Inns of Court,
Impale a glow-WORM, or VERtú profess,
Shine in the dignity of *F.R.S.* ,
[S]ome, *DEEP Free-Masons*, join the silent race,
[W]orthy to fill PYTHAGORAS's place"
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MAY 30
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1220, Alexander Nevski born
1498, Columbus departs with 6 ships for 3rd trip to America
1539, Hernando de Soto, Spanish explorer, lands in Florida
1574, Charles IX, King of France (1560-74), dies
1593, Christopher Marlowe,(Tamburlaine the Great), murdered
1640, Peter Paul Rubens, Flemish painter, dies age 62
1660, King Charles II crowned on 30th birthday
1672, Peter I "the Great" born tsar (1682-1725)
1744, Alexander Pope poisoned from eating potted eels
1778, Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet] dies age 42
1960, Boris Pasternak, Russian poet dies, age 70
1967, Claude Rains dies, age 77
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Alexander Pope, Preface to Shakespeare, 1725/28:
<<Nothing is more likely than that those palpable blunders of Hector's
quoting Aristotle, with others of that gross kind, sprung from the
same root, it not being at all credible that these could be the errors
of any man who had the least tincture of a School, or the least
conversation with such as had. Ben Jonson (whom they will not think
partial to him) allows him at least to have had some Latin, which is
utterly inconsistent with mistakes like these. Nay the constant
blunders in proper names of persons and places are such as must
have proceeded from a man who had not so much as read any history
in any language: so could not be Shakespeare's.>>
---------------------------------------------------------------
Famous figures who were known Freemasons:
*Alexander Pope* (1688 - 1744)
William Hogarth, Artist (1697 - 1764)
R.B. Sheridan, Playwright (1751 - 1816)
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, Author (1859 - 1930)
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Alexander Pope
http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/apope.htm
<<Alexander Pope was born in London as a son of a Roman Catholic
linen-merchant. At that time Catholics were not allowed to live where he
wanted and enter any universities. Pope had an uneven education, which
was often interrupted. He learned Latin and Greek from a local priest
and later he acquired knowledge of French and Italian. In 1700, when his
family moved to Bonfield in Windsor Forest, Pope contracted
tuberculosis. It was probably Pott's disease, a tubercular affection of
the spine. He also suffered from asthma, and his humpback was a constant
target for his critics in literary battles - Pope was called a
'hunchbacked toad'. In middle age he was 4ft 6in tall and weared a
stiffened canvas bodice to support his spine. Pope associating with
anti-Catholic Whig friends, but by 1713 he moved towards the Tories,
becaming one of the members of Scriblerus Club. His friends among Tory
intellectuals included Swift, Gay, Congreve and Robert Harley, 1st Earl
of Oxford. In 1712 Pope published an early version of THE RAPE OF THE
LOCK, an elegant comic piece about the war between the sexes. His great
achievements was the translations of Iliad and Odyssey into English. The
success of the translations enabled him to move to Twickenham from
anti-Catholic pressure of the Jacobites. His surroundings in Twickenham
inspired Pope to study horticulture and landscape gardening. He formed
an attachment with Lady Mary Wortley Montagu, his neigbour. When the
friendship cooled down, he started a life long relationship with Martha
Blount. In Twickenham he entertained numerous visitors including Swift,
whom he helped with the publication of Gulliver's Travels. In his time
Pope was famous for his witty satires and aggressive, bitter quarrels
with other writers. After his edition of William Shakespeare was
attacked he answered with the mock-epic THE DUNCIAD (1728), which was
widened in 1742. It ridiculed bad writers, scientists, and critics.
"While pensive poets painful vigils keep, / Sleepless themselves to give
their readers sleep." During his last years Pope designed a romantic
'grot' in a tunnel which linked the waterfront with his back garden.
It was walled with shells and pieces of mirror.>>
-------------------------------------------------------------
Art Neuendorffer
Tom Veal
Actually, Mr. Sloan's candidate is Oxenford's daughter Elizabeth. See
http://www.ishipress.com/shakespe.htm.
I suppose that it is conceivable that Elizabeth assisted the True
Author, Francis Beaumont, during his early years, but that case
remains, to my mind, unproven. The "a gender liar" anagram most
likely means that the grain dealer, not the playwright, was a
transvestite. Diana Price will doubtless flesh out the proof in the
next edition of her book.
Tom Veal
President, Beaumont Society, U.S.A. Chapter
Tom Veal
> > > Look, Al - there NEVER WAS any 'Christopher Marlowe'. It was just a
> > > persona invented by Beaumont when he was four. Surely that's obvious?
> >
> > Rita,
> >
> > I'm going to have to admit your theory is looking very compelling,
> > based on the growing mountain of evidence. After reading your
> > post this morning I did an extensive search of extant Elizabethan
> > documents and found NOT A SINGLE LETTER from Beaumont to Marlowe.
> > Based on that proof I'm going to have to toss my oar into your
> > boat and agree that Beaumont is indeed the source of Shakespeare's
> > works, as well as those of Marlowe, as well as those of, well,
> > Beaumont of course.
>
> I'm with you until your last nine words, Al. The idea that an Elizabethan
> would have written works his OWN NAME was on the title pages of is, is . . .
> words fail me.
The U.S.A. Chapter of the Beaumont Society takes no official stand on
whether Francis Beaumont, the True Author of Shakespeare, wrote the
works that were printed under the name "Francis Beaumont". We content
ourselves with the confident assertion that Beaumont wrote all *other*
significant literature published between 1561 and 1660.
Tom Veal
President, The Beaumont Society, U.S.A. Chapter
Nicholas Whyte
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> <<Linkage between precession and the POLE star was first made by Sir
> John Herschel in the context of the alignment of the Great Pyramid
> in 1836. (I am conscious that this will probably provoke lengthy
> posts on pyramidology from Art Neuendorffer.)>> - Nicholas Whyte
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> Ur-SULA and the 11,000 Virgins of Cologne (RM)
> http://users.erols.com/saintpat/ss/1021.htm
>
> <<Baring-Gould suggests that Saint Ursula with her bow & arrow,
> her ship & company of maidens, sails up the Rhine as *URSHEL* ,
> the Teutonic moon goddess, sailed before her,
> with all the graceful attributes of Isis & Diana.
>
> Saint Ursula is represented as a princess holding an arrow
> (1) with maidens under her mantle;
> (2) an angel comes to her as she sleeps ;
> (3) she takes leave of her royal parents;
> (4) in a boat surrounded by maidens and ecclesiastics,
> as she sails down the Rhein; or
> (5) she and her companions massacred by bowmen.>>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
Coincidentally we have named our new daughter Ursula!
Nicholas
Art Neuendorffer
> Coincidentally we have named our new daughter Ursula!
Congratulations, Nick.
May angels comes to her as she sleeps.
Art Neuendorffer
Art Neuendorffer
> The U.S.A. Chapter of the Beaumont Society takes no official stand on
> whether Francis Beaumont, the True Author of Shakespeare, wrote the
> works that were printed under the name "Francis Beaumont". We content
> ourselves with the confident assertion that Beaumont wrote all *other*
> significant literature published between 1561 and 1660.
>
> Tom Veal
> President, The Beaumont Society, U.S.A. Chapter
-------------------------------------------------------------
Francis BeauMONT died (March 6, 1616)
Cyrano de BERGerac born (March 6, 1619)
Richard BURbage died (March 13, 1619)
[i.e., Boar badge/crest]
Cyrano also wrote one comedy _The Ridiculous Pendant_ (1653)
and one tragedy _The Death of Agrippina_ (1654).
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CYRANO: Look you, it was my life
To be the prompter every one forgets!
. . .
There was the allegory of my whole life:
I, in the shadow, at the ladder's foot,
While others lightly mount to Love and Fame!
Just! very just! Here on the threshold drear
Of death, I pay my tribute with the rest,
To Moliere's genius,--Christian's fair face!
(Shakespere's) (Christopher's)
http://cyrano.kensai.com/critic.htm
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MOLLIS AER => MULIER => MOLIERE
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Thou Leonatus art the Lyons Whelpe,
The fit and apt Construction of thy name
Being Leonatus, doth import so much:
The peece of tender Ayre, *thy vertuous Daughter*,
Which we call MOLLIS AER, and MOLLIS AER
We terme it MULIER; which MULIER I diuine
Is this most constant Wife, who euen now
Answering the Letter of the Oracle,
Vnknowne to you vnsought, were clipt about
With this most tender Aire.
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LAURA = l'aura (the air); so the world is filled with LAURA,
or at least with that which reminds him of her absence.
LAURA = il lauro (laurel, as the reward for poetry); with the
absence of LAURA, he creates a world of laurel (of the poetic).
LAURA is associated with a classical, more ideal past from
which we are alienated. The past is absent and
unattainale just as LAURA is.
-------------------------------------------------------------
PETRARCH 1st sets eyes on LAURA : April 6, 1327
PETRARCH's LAURA, dies of plague: April 6, 1348
BRIDGET Vere's birth: April 6, 1584
--------------------------------------------------------------
Cyrano wrote two [posthumous] science-fiction books satirizing
the belief man was the center of the UNIVERSE:
_The States and Empires of the MOON_ (1657) &
_The States and Empires of the SUN_ (1662)
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Art Neuendorffer
Spam Scone
> > Elisabeth Riba <l...@osmond-riba.org> wrote in message news:<av9gv8$jt1$1...@reader1.panix.com>...
> > > Grain dealer
> > > That's an anagram for "A gender liar"
> > > Clearly, that means that it must be a WOMAN disguising herself as a man
> > > who's writing all these plays involving boys playing girls disguising
> > > themselves as boys.
> > > I think we're finally onto something!
> >
> > Ms. Riba,
> >
> > A lunatic NYC cabdriver named Sam Sloan has published a webpage
> > claiming Oxford's wife wrote the plays, because "everyone knows" women
> > write better than men.
>
> Actually, Mr. Sloan's candidate is Oxenford's daughter Elizabeth. See
> http://www.ishipress.com/shakespe.htm.
You are correct. I misremembered, no doubt from the shock of visiting
Sloan's pornographic carnival of a website. I should have known Sloan
would pick Oxford's daughter, since he's fond of very young girls (age
14 or so). Another shining star for the Anti-Shakespearean sky, to be
put next to the scatologist Crowley, the racist Petzold, the
delusional Baker, and the liar Richard Kennedy.
> I suppose that it is conceivable that Elizabeth assisted the True
> Author, Francis Beaumont, during his early years, but that case
> remains, to my mind, unproven. The "a gender liar" anagram most
> likely means that the grain dealer, not the playwright, was a
> transvestite. Diana Price will doubtless flesh out the proof in the
> next edition of her book.
Yes, and provide lots of CPLE as well.
David L. Webb
David...@tesco.net (Rita) wrote:
[...]
> > -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Hah. Recent research has proved there was no 'Fletcher' - Aubrey got
> it wrong, as usual. Beaumont suffered all his life from Multiple
> Personality Disorder, probably brought on by the strain of writing
> pseudonymously. He himself was 'Fletcher' - hence the use of same
> house, clothes, girl etc. In fact most of the people in Aubrey's
> 'Brief Lives' are actually Beaumont, under different names.
You're quite right -- the word "fletcher" means archer or *bowman*,
and "bowman" is an obvious pun on "Beaumont." Thus "Fletcher" is just
a bogus Masonic front man for Beaumont. Beaumont became a member of
the Inner Temple in 1600, and to aneuendor...@comicass.nut, any
mention of the word "temple" is yet another hint of Masonic conspiracy.
Moreover, one of the plays ostensibly by "Fletcher" is entitled _The
Wild-Goose Chase_.
David Webb
Adjutant-in-chief, Beaumont Goon Squad
Bob Grumman
> > I suppose that it is conceivable that Elizabeth assisted the True
> > Author, Francis Beaumont, during his early years, but that case
> > remains, to my mind, unproven. The "a gender liar" anagram most
> > likely means that the grain dealer, not the playwright, was a
> > transvestite. Diana Price will doubtless flesh out the proof in the
> > next edition of her book.
>
> Yes, and provide lots of CPLE as well.
Nah, she'll just show that there's NO CPLE for Anne Hathaway. This, of
course, will make it hard not to accept Elizabeth.
--Bob G.
lyra
> > > I suppose that it is conceivable that Elizabeth assisted the True
> > > Author, Francis Beaumont, during his early years, but that case
> > > remains, to my mind, unproven. The "a gender liar" anagram most
> > > likely means that the grain dealer, not the playwright, was a
> > > transvestite. Diana Price will doubtless flesh out the proof in the
> > > next edition of her book.
*a gender liar* (six more *alarming* anagrams...)
liar? enraged!
real danger, I...
i.e. grand earl...
'ere, a darling...
and 'ere, a girl...
reading earl
lyra
lyra
> Bob Grumman wrote in message news:<avc6d...@enews4.newsguy.com>...
> > > > I suppose that it is conceivable that Elizabeth assisted the True
> > > > Author, Francis Beaumont, during his early years, but that case
> > > > remains, to my mind, unproven. The "a gender liar" anagram most
> > > > likely means that the grain dealer, not the playwright, was a
> > > > transvestite. Diana Price will doubtless flesh out the proof in the
> > > > next edition of her book.
>
>
> *a gender liar* (six more *alarming* anagrams...)
>
>
> liar? enraged!
>
> real danger, I...
>
> i.e. grand earl...
>
>
> 'ere, a darling...
>
> and 'ere, a girl...
>
> reading earl
earl, reading...
reading *Lear*!
Art Neuendorffer
>>>> In December 1612 Galileo recorded the planet Neptune
>>>> without realizing it near the planet Jupiter;
>>>>
>>>> at the time Uranus was located *at 24 GEMINI*
>>>>
>>>>Two complete Uranian cycles later (84 years X 2) on Mar. 13, 1781,
>>>> Uranus would become the first outer planet discovered
>>>>
>>>> by Sir William Herschel in Bath, England *at 24 GEMINI* .>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.mcn.org/greatbear/neptune2.html
>>>>--------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>>><<Uranus is often brighter than 6th magnitude, which makes it just
>>>>barely visible to the unaided eye. It's a wonder that no one had
>>>>discovered it before. Although Uranus had been recorded as a star,
>>>>apparently its slow motion through the sky allowed it to go undetected
>>>> as a planet. Herschel also discovered two of the moons of Uranus,
>>>>Oberon & Titania, with his 20-foot long telescope on January 11, 1787.
>>>> By this night six years later Uranus had moved up the left "twin"
>>>> to a position to the east of Pollux.>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.skyhound.com/george.htm
David L. Webb wrote:
> You just pulled another post out of Uranus, didn't you, Art?
I'm no Velikovsky, Dave.
>Art Neuendorffer wrote:
>>----------------------------------------------------------
>> Compare Pope's 1740 Westminster Shakespeare statue:
>>
>> http://www.sirbacon.org/gallery/west.htm
>>
>> with the posture of the Vesalius'
>> "VIVITUR IN GENIO" skeleton:
>>
>> http://mesl.itd.umich.edu/w/wantz/images/vesdi02.jpg
David L. Webb wrote:
> They're not especially comparable: if the photograph is reproduced
> accurately, Shakespeare has his right leg crossed in front of his left,
> and leans on his right elbow, while the skeleton has its left leg
> crossed in front of its right and leans upon its left elbow.
The print block has it the right way.
David L. Webb wrote:
> the skeleton stands erect, while Shakespeare clearly leans
> to his right.
He has to in order to point to: *Solemn (Solomon's) Temple*
David L. Webb wrote:
> In any event, neither is an uncommon pose.
They are *extremely common poses* for Freemason Rosicrucians.
>>------------------------------------------------------------
>> Alexander Pope
>> http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/apope.htm
>>
>> <<In middle age Alexander Pope was 4ft 6in tall and wore a
>> stiffened canvas bodice to support his spine. Pope associating with
>> anti-Catholic Whig friends, but by 1713 he moved towards the Tories,
>> becaming one of the members of Scriblerus Club. His friends among
>> Tory intellectuals included Swift, Gay, Congreve
> Surely that's a misprint for "Congrove," Art
No, Dave, it is CON-(G)-REVE
>> and Robert HARLEY, 1st Earl of Oxford.
> Since he was *first* Earl of Oxford, this is a different line from
> the Vere earldom. Indeed, Harley was raised as a Whig and came frmo a
> Presbyterian background. He wasn't created Earl of Oxford until he was
> around fifty years of age. I fail to see what he has to do with
> Shakespeare.
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http://www.jaffebros.com/lee/gulliver/front/publisher.html
<<Although Mr. GulliVER was born in Nottinghamshire, where his Father
dwelt, yet I have heard him say his Family came from OXFORDSHIRE; to
confirm which, I have observed in the Church-Yard at Banbury, in that
County, sEVERal Tombs and Monuments of the GulliVERs.>>
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A letter from Capt. Gulliver, to his Cousin Sympson:
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<<And besides the Fact was altogether false; for to my Knowledge, being
in England during some Part of her Majesty's Reign, she did govern by a
chief Minister; nay, even by two successively; the first whereof was
the Lord of Godolphin, and the second the Lord of OXFORD;
SO THAT YOU HAVE MADE ME SAY THE THING THAT WAS NOT.>>
<<I was able in the COMPASS of two Years (although I confess with the
utmost Difficulty) to remove that infernal Habit of Lying, Shuffling,
Deceiving, and Equivocating, so deeply rooted in the VERy Souls
of all my Species, especially the Europeans.>>
<< I have now done with all visionary Schemes for EVER.
April 2, 1727.>>
E. VERE's birthdate: April 2, 1550
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Was Oxford's Portrait Shakespeare's?
by Richard Whalen
http://www.everreader.com/manindep.htm
<<Edward Harley's library became the Harleian Collection. In 1737 Harley
took the engraver George Vertue with him to see Stratford and the
monument in Trinity Church. Vertue sketched the monument but declined to
show the face of the monument's "Shakspeare" in his sketch. Instead, he
substituted a likeness based on the so-called Chandos portrait
of Shakespeare. He also put Harley into his sketch,
as a lone spectator of this bust with a substitute face.
[The "wife" at Edward Harley's feet is Harley's own "wife":]
As it happens, Harley was the 2nd earl of Oxford (second creation),
while his wife had connections to the 17th earl of Oxford (first
creation). She was the great-great-granddaughter of Oxford's favorite
cousin, the famous Horace de Vere. Also, she had inherited the
so-called Welbeck portrait of the 17th Earl of Oxford,
now at the National Portrait Gallery.>>
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Othello's father imported 1715.
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<<Oxford Dun Arabian: Dun/Buckskin; imported 1715.
This horse was secured by Nathaniel Harley for his nephew Edward,
Lord Harley, in Turkey, where he had settled in 1686 as a merchant.
The horse was shipped from Aleppo: "I've had so much trouble,
Expence and difficulty at first to procure, afterwards to keep and
now to send him away, that I think him above any price that can be
offered, and am so little of a Merchant that I would not have him
sold even tho' a Thousand Pounds should be bid for him." He was,
according to Edward Harley (later 2nd Earl of Oxford), "...thought
by all that have seen him to be the finest Horse that ever came over."
He stood at Harley's stud at Welbeck Abbey, Nottinghamshire. He got
the Oxford Dun Arabian mare of Family 7, dam of Miss Slamerkin
(1729), who was the dam of Bustard, Othello and Oroonoko, all
good sires and racehorses, and of Duchess (dam of Le Sang, Dux,
Chymist and Pyrrha) all important racehorses and the first three also
good stallions). The Oxford Dun Arabian mare was also ancestress
of Basto (by Whitenose) and Victorious (by Whitenose).>>
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>> During his last years Pope designed a romantic 'grot'
>> in a tunnel which linked the waterfront with his back garden.
>> It was walled with shells and pieces of MIRROR.
>>[Poisoned from eating potted eels] Pope died on May 30, 1744.>>
>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>> <<Alexander Pope lived on the Thames River in Twickenham,
>> a village west of London. His grotto still exists
>> beneath the Saint James Independent School for Boys.
>> Pope oversaw the building of hothouses, a large "mount"
>> covered with trees, bushes, and heaps of rugged and mossy
>> stones (with a spiral path to the top, where one came upon
>> a large Forest seat, shaded by a tree); niches containing urns
>>and stone busts of Homer, Virgil, Marcus Aurelius, & CICERO; stone
>>pavilions at the water's edge; an ORANGERY;
David L. Webb wrote:
> Huh? Why the emphasis? Another idiotic Masonic "buzz word" utterly
> unknown to Masons, known only to aneuendor...@comicass.nut?
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_Ulysses_ by Joyce
<<A scared calf's face gilded with MARMALADE.
I don't want to be debagged! Don't you play the giddy OX with me!
Shouts from the open window startling evening in the quadrangle.
A deaf gardener, APRONed, masked with Matthew Arnold's face,>>
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>>a bowling-green; an open
>> temple made of shells; an amphitheatre; a memorial obelisk to his
>>mother (erected in 1735); and, most importantly, his famous grotto,
>> the construction of which commenced in 1722. The grotto began
>>in the basement of the villa and ran under the road to the garden,
>> where a path led through a "wilderness" to the temple.>>
>>
>>
>>http://www.thecore.nus.edu.sg/landow/victorian/previctorian/pope/twickenham.ht
>>ml
>> http://panther.bsc.edu/~jtatter/popegrot.html
>> http://www.kirjasto.sci.fi/apope.htm
>> http://www.gardenvisit.com/g/pope.htm
>>----------------------------------------------------------------
>><<[Alexander Pope's] surroundings in Twickenham inspired Pope
>> to study horticulture and landscape gardening. He formed an
>> attachment with Lady Mary Wortley Montagu, his neighbor.
>>
>> After his edition of William Shakespeare was attacked
>> he answered with the mock-epic THE DUNCIAD (1728).
David L. Webb wrote:
> It's a pity that Pope neVER knew a *real* dunce,
> like aneuendor...@comicass.nut.
Attacking me with another mock-post, Dave?
>> Later in IMITATIONS OF HORACE (1733)
David L. Webb wrote:
> Careful, Art -- in view of your acolyte Richard Kennedy's suggestion
> that "holder of horses" should be "holder of whores," I shudder to
> think what he'll do with "Horace."
Horace is a horse, of course, of course.
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King Henry IV, Part ii Act 1, Scene 2
FALSTAFF I bought him in Paul's, and he'll buy me a *horse*
in Smithfield: an I could get me but a wife in the
*stews* , I were manned, horsed, and wived.
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Stew, n. [OE. stue, stuwe, OF. estuve.] A brothel.
"There be that hate harlots, and never were at the stews."
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King Richard II Act 5, Scene 3
HENRY PERCY His answer was, he would unto the *stews* ,
And from the common'st creature *pluck a (G)love* ,
And wear it as a favour; and with that
He would *unhorse* the lustiest challenger.
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David L. Webb wrote:
> Satire is utterly lost upon naïfs like
> aneuendor...@comicass.nut.
Perhaps you would explain the satire, Dave.
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>> MAY 30
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>1220, Alexander Nevski born
>>1498, Columbus departs with 6 ships for 3rd trip to America
>>1539, Hernando de Soto, Spanish explorer, lands in Florida
>>1574, Charles IX, King of France (1560-74), dies
>>1593, Christopher Marlowe,(Tamburlaine the Great), murdered
>>1640, Peter Paul Rubens, Flemish painter, dies age 62
>>1660, King Charles II crowned on 30th birthday
>>1672, Peter I "the Great" born tsar (1682-1725)
>>1744, Alexander Pope poisoned from eating potted eels
>>1778, Voltaire [Francois-Marie Arouet] dies age 42
>>1960, Boris Pasternak, Russian poet dies, age 70
>
> But Art -- "Boris Pasternak" is a perfect anagram of
>
> Art N. is Baker's op
>
> -- while there is undeniably some oVERlap between your methods and
> those of "Dr." Faker, I would neVER have suspected that you were his
> operative. This anagram has an INPNC score of 10/14, so it must be
> significant.
A INPNC>50% is a necessary but not sufficient condition
(especially when more than one name is involved).
naïf Art Neuendorffer
Peter Groves
news:080120031739219377%David....@Dartmouth.edu...
> In article <3E18CE3D...@comcast.net>, Art Neuendorffer
> <aneuendor...@comcast.net> (aneuendor...@comicass.nut)
> wrote:
>
> > > Art Neuendorffer wrote in message
news:<3E1841C8...@comcast.net>...
> >
> > >> In December 1612 Galileo recorded the planet Neptune
> > >> without realizing it near the planet Jupiter;
> > >>
> > >> at the time Uranus was located *at 24 GEMINI*
> > >>
> > >>Two complete Uranian cycles later (84 years X 2) on Mar. 13, 1781,
> > >> Uranus would become the first outer planet discovered
> > >>
> > >> by Sir William Herschel in Bath, England *at 24 GEMINI* .>>
> > >>
> > >> http://www.mcn.org/greatbear/neptune2.html
> > >>--------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > >><<Uranus is often brighter than 6th magnitude, which makes it just
> > >>barely visible to the unaided eye. It's a wonder that no one had
> > >>discovered it before. Although Uranus had been recorded as a star,
> > >>apparently its slow motion through the sky allowed it to go undetected
> > >> as a planet. Herschel also discovered two of the moons of Uranus,
> > >>Oberon & Titania, with his 20-foot long telescope on January 11, 1787.
> > >> By this night six years later Uranus had moved up the left "twin"
> > >> to a position to the east of Pollux.>>
> > >>
> > >> http://www.skyhound.com/george.htm
>
>
> >
Just the usual Pollux.
Peter G.
> [Lunatic logorrhea snipped]