NEUENSCHPAMMER: THAT And An Excess of Malicious Metaphysical Graffiti Is TOO MUCH

[Elizabeth]

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Art. I log in and the HLAS homepage is wall-to-wall
Neundorffer headers.

I know what you're doing.

Some skeptic expresses doubt that Oxford is Shakespeare
and you flood the HLAS homepage with yards of recycled posts so the
skeptic's post scrolls down behind the horizon
line and doesn't get view or replies.

[
Your 'goal' of reaching 10,000 posts is just your cover
story. You passed 10,000 posts a long time ago.

What you're really engaged in is suppressing free speech.

Your unprincipled spamming and MM's metaphysical graffiti
under the cover of 'higher consciousness' -- spamming is so
higher consciousness --is ruining this newsgroup.

[Art Neuendorffer]

"Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> Art. I log in and the HLAS homepage is wall-to-wall
> Neundorffer headers.
>

The HLAS homepage? I'm not familiar with that.

>
"Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> I know what you're doing.

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I Know What You Did Last Summer.
.

"Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> Some skeptic expresses doubt that Oxford is Shakespeare
> and you flood the HLAS homepage with yards of recycled posts
> so the skeptic's post scrolls down behind the horizon
> line and doesn't get view or replies.
>

"Behind" the horizon line? Where is that exactly?
.

"Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> Your 'goal' of reaching 10,000 posts is just your cover
> story. You passed 10,000 posts a long time ago.
>

My new 'goal' is 100,000 posts.
.

"Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> What you're really engaged in is suppressing free speech.

.
And I'm not too thrilled about all those guns out there either.
.

"Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> Your unprincipled spamming and MM's metaphysical graffiti
> under the cover of 'higher consciousness' -- spamming is so
> higher consciousness --is ruining this newsgroup.

Perhaps we can get it dry cleaned.

Art Neuendorffer

[Elizabeth]

On Feb 12, 5:31 pm, "Art Neuendorffer"

<aneuendorffer114...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > Art. I log in and the HLAS homepage is wall-to-wall
> > Neundorffer headers.
>
> The HLAS homepage? I'm not familiar with that.
>
> "Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > I know what you're doing.
>
> .
> I Know What You Did Last Summer.

I'm talking about the sequal.

I Know What You're Doing Until The Summer of
2023.

I saw it last weekend.

> ."Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > Some skeptic expresses doubt that Oxford is Shakespeare
> > and you flood the HLAS homepage with yards of recycled posts
> > so the skeptic's post scrolls down behind the horizon
> > line and doesn't get view or replies.
>
> "Behind" the horizon line? Where is that exactly?
> ."Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:

You know when you grab the pull tab with one
hand and you grab the slider with between your
thumb and your index finger and you slide the slider
down the teeth until you get to the bottom stop?

It's just below that.

> > Your 'goal' of reaching 10,000 posts is just your cover
> > story. You passed 10,000 posts a long time ago.
>
> My new 'goal' is 100,000 posts.
> ."Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:

I know that. I just said I saw the movie.

> > What you're really engaged in is suppressing free speech.
>
> .
> And I'm not too thrilled about all those guns out there either.

That's an odd thought for someone so truly, deeply madly
dedicated to a feudal earl. Vassals like yourself wouldn't have
any say about whether or not they' want to bear arms.

Think about it Art, if we go feudal, we won't be able to recover
De Vere snot from say, a sneeze that landed on the 1601
letter to Cecil. With no way to retrieve dna we can't clone an
88 pound 4 foot 8 inch earl.

> "Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > Your unprincipled spamming and MM's metaphysical graffiti
> > under the cover of 'higher consciousness' -- spamming is so
> > higher consciousness --is ruining this newsgroup.
>
> Perhaps we can get it dry cleaned.

I don't think dry cleaning can remove 400-year old snot.

>
> Art Neuendorffer

[lackpurity]

On Feb 12, 5:37�pm, "Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
> ___________________________________________________________________________­__________-

MM:
Marlowe, Shakespeare, Bacon, Donne, Spenser, etc., were all great
Mystics. It's whining Anti-Strats who're affecting this NG
negatively, I'd say.

Michael Martin

[Art Neuendorffer]

> > ."Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > What you're really engaged in is suppressing free speech.
>

> <aneuendorffer114...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > And I'm not too thrilled about all those guns out there either.

.

"Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> That's an odd thought for someone so truly, deeply madly
> dedicated to a feudal earl. Vassals like yourself wouldn't have
> any say about whether or not they' want to bear arms.

But I'm a sacred vassal.

> Think about it Art, if we go feudal, we won't be able to recover
> De Vere snot from say, a sneeze that landed on the 1601
> letter to Cecil. With no way to retrieve dna we can't clone an
> 88 pound 4 foot 8 inch earl.
>

How big was Francis?

> > "Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Your unprincipled spamming and MM's metaphysical graffiti
> > > under the cover of 'higher consciousness' -- spamming is so
> > > higher consciousness --is ruining this newsgroup.
>

> <aneuendorffer114...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > Perhaps we can get it dry cleaned.

.
"Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't think dry cleaning can remove 400-year old snot.
>

What about snaught?

Art Neuendorffer

[Elizabeth]

On Feb 13, 5:11 am, "Art Neuendorffer"

<aneuendorffer114...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > > ."Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > What you're really engaged in is suppressing free speech.
>
> > <aneuendorffer114...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > And I'm not too thrilled about all those guns out there either.
>
> .
>
> "Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > That's an odd thought for someone so truly, deeply madly
> > dedicated to a feudal earl. Vassals like yourself wouldn't have
> > any say about whether or not they' want to bear arms.
>
> But I'm a sacred vassal.

I'll leave the allteration to Webb.

> > Think about it Art, if we go feudal, we won't be able to recover
> > De Vere snot from say, a sneeze that landed on the 1601
> > letter to Cecil. With no way to retrieve dna we can't clone an
> > 88 pound 4 foot 8 inch earl.
>
> How big was Francis?

Bacon was medium height.

<http://www.phoenixandturtle.net/excerptmill/eximgs/englishm.jpg>

Oxford's portrait is actual size.

<http://www.tudorplace.com.ar/images/Vere,Edward(17EOxford)02.jpg>

> > > "Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Your unprincipled spamming and MM's metaphysical graffiti
> > > > under the cover of 'higher consciousness' -- spamming is so
> > > > higher consciousness --is ruining this newsgroup.
>
> > <aneuendorffer114...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > > Perhaps we can get it dry cleaned.
>
> ."Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> > I don't think dry cleaning can remove 400-year old snot.
>
> What about snaught?

That would require laproscopic rhinoplasty, not dry cleaning.

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[Art Neuendorffer]

> > ."Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Think about it Art, if we go feudal, we won't be able to recover
> > > De Vere snot from say, a sneeze that landed on the 1601
> > > letter to Cecil. With no way to retrieve dna we can't clone an
> > > 88 pound 4 foot 8 inch earl.

.
> <aneuendorffer114...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> > How big was Francis?
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"Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
>
> Bacon was medium height.
>
> <http://www.phoenixandturtle.net/excerptmill/eximgs/englishm.jpg>

.
Well...at least he associated with mediums:
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Bacon & The Rose Cross
by James Phinney Baxter (1831-1921)
.
[From his book: "The Greatest of Literary Problems, the authorship of
the Shakespeare Works; an exposition of all the points at issue, from
their inception to the present moment" 1915]
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<<The Temple of the Rosy Cross, a symbolic figure designed by
Teophilus Schweighardt
Constantiens by the Grace of God and Nature, Unchangeable Forever,
1618
.
Much has been said of Bacon's connection with that influential Society
which flourished in England in the reigns of Elizabeth and James,
known as "Rosicrucian," whose very existence was so carefully
concealed that few outside of it's fellowship knew of its existence.
At what date in the world's history it originated we will hardly
venture to inquire; it is sufficient to our purpose that the public
announcement of its existence occurred in 1614, when was published in
Cassel the " Allegemeine and General-Reformation der ganzen weiten
Welt." This work declares that it was first formed by four persons
only, and by them was made the magical language and writing, with a
large dictionary, which we yet daily use God's praise and glory.
.
Says Mackey:--
Many writers have sought to discover a close connection between the
Rosicrucians and the Freemasons, and some, indeed, have advanced the
theory that the latter are only the successes of the former. Whether
this opinion be correct or not, there are sufficient coincidences of
character between the two to render the history of Rosicrucianism
highly interesting to the Masonic student.(Albert G. Mackey, An
Encyclopedia of Freemasonry, vol.II p.639. 1912
.
In England, there still exists a society of Rosicrucians which was
"founded upon the remains of the old German association." We are told
that:
Modern times have eagerly accepted, in the full light of science, the
precious inheritance of knowledge bequeathed by the Rosicrucians....
It is not desirable, in a work of this kind, to make disclosures of an
indiscreet nature. The Brethren of the Rosy Cross will never and
should not, at peril and under alarm, give up their secrets. This
ancient body has apparently disappeared from the field of human
activity, but it's labors are being carried on with alacrity, and with
a sure delight in an ultimate success. (Beyond Masonic Cyclopadia.
London, 1877)
.
Among the members of the ancient Society appear these initials, " Fra.
F.B.; M.P.A.; " which, plainly stated, stand for Francis Bacon,
Magister, Pictor, Architectus. Waite, perhaps the best historian of
the Rosicrucian Order, introduces it to us in these words:-
Beneath the broad tide of human history there flow the stealthy
undercurrents of the secret societies which frequently determine in
the depths the changes that take place upon the surface. The facts and
documents concerning the Fraternity of the Rose Cross are absolutely
unknown to English readers. Even well-informed people will learn with
astonishment the extent and variety of the Rosicrucian literature,
which hitherto has lain buried in rare pamphlets, written in the old
German tongue, and in Latin commentaries of the later alchemists.
.
Says Heckthorne:--
A halo of poetic splendor surrounds the order of the Rosicrucians; the
magic lights of fancy play round their graceful day dreams, while the
mystery in which they shrouded themselves lends additional attraction
to their history. But their brilliancy was that of a meteor. The
literature of every European country contains hundreds of pleasing
fictions, whose machinery has been borrowed from their system of
philosophy, though that itself has passed away. (C.W.Heckthorne,
Secret Societies in All Ages and Countries. London, 1897
.
The writer has long been a member of the Masonic order of the Red
Cross, which is popularly supposed to have inherited the title from
the Rosicrucian Brotherhood, a supposition which, having a knowledge
of the history of this and other societies akin to Masonry, he
believes to of doubtful validity.
.
The title of the Brotherhood is derived from Rosa-Crux, a red rose
affixed to a cross, presumably of gold. So many intellectual
subtleties have been employed by fanciful theorists in attempts to
explain the precise signification of these ancient symbols, believed
to be older than the Christian era, that their more obvious and truer
significance has been unnecessarily obscured. To the Rosicrucians of
the age of Elizabeth, it hardly seems questionable that the rose was
the symbol of silence, as among the ancients it was originally derived
from the pagan tradition that the God of Love made the first rose,
which he presented to the God of Silence. From this tradition
originated the custom of carving a rose on the ceilings of banquet
halls, or rooms where people met for gayety and diversion, to intimate
that under it, whatever was spoken or done was not to be divulged;
hence our term sub rosa used to indicate secrecy.The Cross,of course,
signified salvation, to which the Society of the Rose-Cross devoted
itself by teaching mankind the love of God and the beauty of
brotherhood, with all that they implied.
.
The following has been recognized as having been written by Bacon, and
will not be doubted by any acquainted intimately with his style:-
I was twenty when this book was finished; but methinks I have outlived
myself; I begin to be weary of the sun. I have shaken hands with
delight, and know all is vanity, and I think no man can live well once
but he that could live twice. For my part I would not live over my
hours past, or begin again the minutes of my days; not because I have
not lived well, but for fear that I should live them worse. At my
death I mean to make a total adieu of the world, not caring for the
burthen of a tombstone and epitaph, but in the universal Register of
God I fix my contemplations on Heaven. I writ the Rosicrucian
Infallible Axiomata in four books, and study, not for my own sake
only, but for them that study not for themselves. In the law I began
to be a perfect clerk; I writ the idea of the Law, et., for the
benefit of my friends, and practice in King's Bench.(the reader is
referred to Bacon's Historia Vitae et Mortis, and legal writings
including the Attorney's Academy.) I envy no man that knows more than
myself, but pity them that knows less..... Now, intake midst of all my
endeavours there is but one thought that dejects me, that my acquired
parts must perish with myself, nor can be legacied amongst my dearly
beloved and honoured friends.
.
The striking phrase, "I begin to be weary of the sun," is duplicated
in "Macbeth," v, 5: "I 'gin to be a weary of the sun."
.
We would gladly indulge in a more comprehensive exposition of this
interesting fraternity were it not necessary to limit ourselves to a
single member of it, Francis Bacon, its putative head in England,
though Robert Fludd, whom Waite describes as "the great English
mystical philosopher of the seventeenth century, a man of immense
erudition, of exalted mind, and, to judge by his writings, of extreme
personal sanctity,"(A. S. Waite, The Real History of the Rosicrucians,
p.283 London 1887.) was its chief exponent. Of course he was a friend
of Bacon, if the latter belonged to the English fraternity, and so
must have been Maier, the chief among German writers of the order, who
was also in England the year of the actor's death(Shakespere) and
Bringern, another associate with him in upholding the honor of
Rosicrucianism on the continent. It is to this association that we
desire to call especial attention.
.
Rosicrucian Title-Page to Francis Bacon's De Sapientia Veterum
German translation 1654, depicting Bacon as head of the Rosicrucian
Society
with three officers, or principles, attending him
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In 1617 a year after the death of the Stratford actor, Fludd was in
Frankfort engaged in seeing his "Defence of Rosicrucianism" through
the press. At the same time Bringern was printing the "Fama
Fraternitatis." In this work appears, on pages 52 and 53, the
following :--
We must earnestly admonish you that you cast away, if not all, yet
most of the worthless books of pseudo chymists (the term "chymist"
used figuratively signified poets or romanticists.) to whom it is a
jest to apply the Most Holy Trinity to vain things, or to deceive men
with monstrous symbols and enigmas, or to profit by the curiosity of
the credulous; our age doth produce many such, one of the greatest
being a stage player, a man with sufficient ingenuity for imposition;
such doth the enemy of human welfare mingle among the good seed,
thereby to make the truth more difficult to be believed, which in
herself is simple and naked, while falsehood is proud, haughty, and
colored with a lustre of seemingly godly and humane wisdom. Ye that
are wise eschew such books and have recourse to us, who seek not your
moneys, but to offer unto you our great treasures.
.
The allusion is evidently to the Stratford actor, for the plays, as
well as Bacon's other works, are saturated with Rosicrucian thought.
Dr. Ingleby should include it in a new edition of his "Allusions."
Certainly it is much clearer than many he has published. But further
to identify the actor with the titles "false poet" and "stage player"
we will call attention to a method which these literary Bo-Peeps had
of revealing their meaning to the initiated. If they wished to inform
their reader who a person alluded to was, they placed the allusion on
a page the number of which corresponded so the number which he was
known,or to the date of some well-known event connected with him. This
allusion was placed on pages 52 and 53 ; the first to indicate the age
of "false poet and stage player," which was 52, and the second to show
the relation between him and Bacon, whose number as we shall see later
was 53.
.
It may be asked, why did a member of the Brotherhood and friend of
Bacon speak of the plays in this manner if he knew they were the work
of a good Rosicrucian? It should be understood that in the Brotherhood
the largest liberty of expression was allowed, and that many,
especially those who were of Puritan extraction, looked upon the stage
with abhorrence. Bringern was among these, and took this way of
expressing his disapproval of mingling things sacred and profane. He
was occupied, as so many are even in our day, with methods of reform,
while Bacon was looking to results.
.
The Rose-Cross order is greatly misunderstood. Writers upon the
subject have permitted themselves to be led astray form the motive
which vitalized it, and have been hoodwinked by its mysteries, as
though it exalted mystery above faith, the shadow above the substance,
paying scant heed to the patent fact, that secrecy, was its only
safeguard against rack and thumbscrew. It was not a searcher for gold,
but a Christian organization composed of studious and thoughtful men,
impressed by the mysteries amidst which the Creator had placed them,
and which Science and Philosophy have ever been striving to solve.
They were mystical, --how could they be otherwise?--and were regarded
as heretics, or free-thinkers, then synonymous terms, though now they
would be called conservative, for history teaches that the error of
one age may be the truth of a later one.
.
There were many in Elizabeth's reign who chafed at the restrictions,
and abhorred the obsequious attitude which placed and power imposed
them; but though the Advancement of Learning was the cornerstone of
their temple, they naturally differed as to methods of advancement.
Some among them, like Bacon, found in Poetry and Romance he most
convenient vehicles for delivering to the world, either by means of
the printed page or the living drama, the truths they so ardently
desired it to possess. The influence of these upon the literature of
the Elizabethan age is evident, and if it is true that the caged bird
sings sweeter than the free, the saying may furnish a reason for its
matchless charm. To the mind of the writer, Swedenborg's ethically
religious system, which makes the dual precepts,love to God and love
to man, its science, quite faithfully expresses that of the
Rosicrucians. To love God and man sufficiently to serve both to the
best of their ability was their religion, and realizing the wickedness
about them, they undertook a crusade of education to lead men to a
recognition of their duty to God and their fellows, the "Universal
Reformation of the Whole Wide World." These mysteries were simply
cloaks to protect them from danger,not it is true, of modern style,
though fantastic garb is still all too much in evidence in the world;
for then, Religion and even Science sported strange attire, and they
naturally reflect the fashion of their time. It was an age of isms in
which men flung loose the jesses of Fancy, and soared aimlessly amid
the drifting clouds of fiction, or were ensnared in the toils of
superstition; an age in which men mad with the lust of power crushed
with mailed heel those with helplessness should have been their
protection. But in no age has God been without faithful witnesses,
who, braving the terrors of torture and death, were ready to give
their lives to the emancipation of their fellowmen, and it was among
such that Rosicrucianism found a proper field for it activities.
.
Unless we pay less attention to the peculiarities of their outward
habiliments, and more to them as men, living the common life, and
sharing the common aspirations of thinking and well-meaning mortals,
we shall fail to understand them.
.
It is interesting to note that the Rosicrucian Brotherhood especially
flourished in England during Bacon's life, and that its existence was
not made known to the world, and then on the Continent, until the year
of the actor's death. We have already spoken of Maier, the Rosicrucian
Protagonist, and of his sojourn in England. Returning to Frankfort, he
published in September, 1616, five months after the actor's death,
three works, one being his "Lusus Serius," which he dedicated to a
triumvirate of Rosicrucians, at whose head appeared Don Francisco
Antonio, Londin, Anglo, Seniori. This combination of the names of
Francis and Anthony, the latter of whom had been dead fifteen years,
was of course, understood by the Brotherhood, among whom such books
only found readers. To have dedicated it openly to Francis Bacon might
have attracted unpleasant attention, if, by chance, it fell under the
eye of any but a friend, though at this time, while it might have been
injurious, it might not have been dangerous if it had been known that
he was a member of the Brotherhood. It is suggestive to note that in
his book Maier gives us a paraphrase of the story of Christopher Sly
in the "Taming of the Shrew," which he uses to point a moral. Maier
concludes the story by restoring the poor sot to his former condition,
while in the play he is left unrestored.
.
This story of Sly, Wigston interprets as showing the relation between
the actor and Bacon, the former representing "a man of low extraction,
set up like a nobleman by Bacon in his own place with regard to plays
or players." (Maier's paraphrase, under the title of the Waking Man's
Dream, may be found in the Shakespeare Library of Hazlitt. Cf. Francis
Bacon, etc. versus Phantom Captain Shakespeare, et.,p.xxxii et
seq.London, 1891)
.
It is certainly suggestive that Sly, in the "Taming of the Shrew",
remains unrestored to his former condition, as if to suggest that the
joke of the actor's false role on the stage of literature was to go on
while it continued to amuse the world. The story of Sly is in the
Quarto of 1594. It is worth noticing that parts of the play are
duplicated in Tamburlaine and Faustus, whose assumed author died in
1593.
.
When we come to the consideration of Symbolism, we shall learn more of
the secret methods employed by Rosicrucians for conveying information,
though many of them may never be fully disclosed. It should be noted
that the stronghold of the Brotherhood was in England, and that its
period of greatest influence was during Bacon's life.
.
Of the fact that Bacon was a Rosicrucian, Spedding, in his preface to
"The New Atlantis," shows himself to have been entirely oblivious. Had
he known this, John Heydon's Voyage to the Land of the Rosicrucians"
would have opened to him a line of thought which would have greatly
enlightened him, for Heydon's "Voyage," largely word for word the
same, would have enabled him to understand many passages in his
author's works ever which he puzzled in vain. "The New Atlantis" was
published in 1627, after Bacon's death, by Rawley, his executor, in
connection with the "Sylva Sylvarum," as Bacon "designed," says
Spedding, and "Solomon's House," or "The Temple of Wisdom"--as Heydon
has it--"is nothing more than a vision of the practical results which
he anticipated from the study of natural history diligently and
systematically carried on through successive generations,"and that "of
it has told us all that he was yet qualified to tell."
.
Talbot, Heydon's biographer, gives the date of his birth as 1630, four
years after Bacon's death. He represents him as a great traveler, and
a man of high character. How it came for him to use almost the same
description of his penetration into the riddle of Rosicrucianism that
Bacon used in his "fable" which Rawley says " he devised to the end
that he might exhibit therein a model or description of a college
instituted for the interpreting of nature, and the production of great
and marvelous works for the benefit of men, under the name of
Solomon's House, or the College of the Six Days' Works?" A fair answer
seems to be that Bacon used a sketch for his "Atlantis" familiar to
the Hermetic Brotherhood, which was limned by him as its head, to
exhibit what might be accomplished by wise means for the regeneration
of society, making some minor changes to adapt it to a new purpose,
and that Heydon, who was a Rosicrucian, unaware of the existence of
Bacon's "Atlantis," preserved for the world the original or an
accurate copy of it. It is, however, as reasonable to suppose that
Heydon becoming acquainted with the "Atlantis," in his admiration of a
work in which he discerned the embodiment of the Rosicrucian spirit,
adopted it as an exposition of the beauty and strength of the Holy
House.
.
In commenting upon Bacon's "Atlantis," Spedding justly says:---
Perhaps there is no single work of his which has so much of himself in
it. The description of Solomon's House is the description of the
vision in which he lived-- the vision not of an ideal world released
from the natural conditions to which ours is subject, but of our own
as it might be made if we did our duty by it, of a state of things
which he believed would one day be actually seen upon this earth, such
as it is, by men such as we are, and the coming of which he believed
that his own labors were sensibly hastening.
.
Before dismissing this phase of our subject, let us compare extracts
from the "Atlantis" and Heydon's " Voyage."
.
A study of the two books from which these few and brief extracts are
made, in connection with the works of Waite, Wigston, and Hargrave
Jennings on the Rosicrucians, opens to us a realm of thought to which
so many of us in our less trammeled age are oblivious, and helps in
blazing a way to a conception of what has seemed to us a fantastic and
futile method for one of the greatest intellects which the world has
known, to employ in playing his role on the human stage. This
conception is reached when we clearly understand that Rosicrucianism
meant in the seventeenth century the universal brotherhood of
humanity; that it was a society closely allied to Freemasonry; derived
its cult through the same channels from the event-- the building of
Solomon's House; employed the same symbols, and that the Invisibles,
as the Rosicrucians entitled themselves, worked by hidden ways to
bring about their proposed reformation of society, and found that the
field of literature afforded sure and safe highways to human minds--
the highways of Philosophy, Science, and History; Poetry, Romance, and
Drama; reached in the one instance by different paths of abstract
thought, experiment, analysis, and comparison; in the other by the
more alluring byways of imagination and fancy. Reaching this
conception, a comprehension of Bacon's literary methods, and even of
the cipher mystery, becomes less difficult; in fact, difficulties
quite vanish when one reflects that the reformer of our day works in
the same way, and uses the same means that the Invisibles did, but
with this difference, that he labours in the sunshine of hope, while
they wrought in the shadow of fear.
.
>From the "New Atlantis"
.
The father of the Family, whom they call the Tirsan, two days before
the feast, taketh to him three of such friends as he liketh to choose;
and is assisted also by the governor of the city or place where the
feast is celebrated; and all the persons of the family, of both sexes,
are summoned to attend him. These two days the Tirsan sitteth in
consultation concerning the good estate of the family. Then, if there
be any discord or suits between any of the family, they are compounded
and appeased.
.
>From Heydon's "Voyage to the Land of the Roscicrucians"
.
The Father of the fraternity, whom they call the R.C., two days before
the feast taketh to him three of such friends as he liketh to chase,
and is assisted also by the governor of the city where the feast is
celebrated, and all the persons of the family, of both sexes, are
summoned to attend upon him. Then, if there be any discords or suits,
they are compounded and appeased.
.
>From the "New Atlantis"
.
And as we were thus in conference, there came one that seemed to be a
messenger, in a rich hue, that spake with the Jew; whereupon he turned
to me and said: "You will pardon me, for I am commanded away in
haste." The next morning he came to me again, joyful as it seemed, and
said, "There is word come to the governor of the city, that one of the
Fathers of Salomon's House will be here this day seven-night: we have
seen none of them this dozen years. His coming is in state; but the
cause of his coming is secret. I will provide you and your fellows of
a good standing to see his entry." I thanked, and told him, I was most
glad of the news.
.
>From Heydon's "Voyage to the Land of the Roscicrucians"
.
As we were thus in conference, there came one that seemed to be a
messenger, in a rich hue, that spake with the Jew, whereupon he turned
to me and said, " You will pardon me, for I am commanded away in
haste." The next morning he came to me joyful, and said--"There is
word come to the Governor of the city that one of the Fathers of the
Temple of the Rosie Cross, or Holy House, will be here this day seven-
night. We have seen none of them this dozen years. His coming is in
state, but the cause is secret. I will provide you and your fellows of
a good standing to see his entry." I thanked him and said I was most
glad of the news.
.
>From the "New Atlantis"
.
God bless thee, my son; I will give thee the greatest jewel I have.
For I will impart unto thee, for the love of God and men, a relation
of the true state of Salomon's House. Son, to make you know the true
state of Salomon's House, I will keep this order. First, I will set
forth unto you the end of our foundation. Secondly, the preparations
and instruments we have for our works. Thirdly, the several
employments and functions whereto our fellows are assigned. And
fourthly, the ordinances and rites which we observe.
.
The End of our Foundation is the knowledge of Causes, and secret
motions of things; and the enlarging of the bounds of Human Empire, to
the effecting of all things possible.
.
>From Heydon's "Voyage to the Land of the Roscicrucians"
.
God bless thee, my son; I will give thee the greatest jewel I have; I
will impart unto thee, for the love of God and men, a relation of the
true state of the Rosie Crosse. First, I will set forth the end of our
foundation; secondly the preparations and instruments we have for our
workes; thirdly, the several functions whereto our fellows are
assigned; and fourthly, the ordinances and rights which we observe.
The end of our foundation is the knowledge of causes and secret
motions of things, and the enlarging of the bounds of Kingdoms to the
effecting of all things possible.
.
That the order of the Rose-Cross was a Christian organization these
extracts from the Rosicrucian prayer alone prove:--
.
Jesus Mihi Omnia
.
Oh Thou everywhere and good of all, whatsoever I do remember, I
beseech Thee, that I am but dust, but as a vapour sprung from earth,
which even Thy smallest breath can scatter. Thou hast given me a soul
and laws to govern it; let that fraternal rule which Thou didst first
appoint to sway man order me; make me careful to point at Thy glory in
all my wayes, and where I cannot rightly know Thee, that not only my
understanding but my ignorance may honour Thee-- I cast myself as an
honourer of Thee at Thy feet, and because I cannot be defended by Thee
unless I believe after Thy laws, keep me, O my soul's Sovereign, in
the obedience of Thy Will, and that I wound not conscience with vice
and hiding Thy gifts and graces bestowed upon me, for this, I know,
will destroy me within, and make Thy illumination Spirit leave me. I
am afraid I have already infinitely swerved from the revelations of
that Divine Guide which Thou hast commanded to direct me to the truth,
and for this I am a sad prostrate and penitent at the foot of Thy
throne. I appeal only to the abundance of Thy remissions, O God, my
God. For outward things I thank thee, and such as I have I give unto
others, in the name of the Trinity, freely and faithfully..... In what
Thou hast given me I am content--- I beg no more than Thou hast given,
and that to continue me uncontemnedly and upittiedly honest. Take me
from myself and fill me but with Thee. Sum up Thy blessings in these
two, that I may be rightly good and wise, and these, for Thy eternal
truth's sake, grant and make grateful.(Waite, The Real History, et.,
pp. 444-61)
.
If the reader will compare this prayer with the acknowledged and
unquestioned prayers of Francis Bacon, we are confident that he will
not doubt that this is the coinage of the same brain and the
expression of the same heart.>>
.
--James Phinney Baxter
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Art Neuendorffer

[lackpurity]

On Feb 13, 1:38�am, "lackpurity" <lackpur...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Feb 12, 5:37?pm, "Elizabeth" <elizabeth_w...@mail.com> wrote:
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> > Art. ?I log in and the HLAS homepage is wall-to-wall

> > Neundorffer headers.
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> > I know what you're doing.
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> > Some skeptic expresses doubt that Oxford is Shakespeare
> > and you flood the HLAS homepage with yards of recycled posts so the
> > skeptic's post scrolls down behind the horizon
> > line and doesn't get view or replies.
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> > Your 'goal' of reaching 10,000 posts is just your cover
> > story. You passed 10,000 posts a long time ago.
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> > What you're really engaged in is suppressing free speech.
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> > Your unprincipled spamming and MM's metaphysical graffiti
> > under the cover of 'higher consciousness' -- spamming is so
> > higher consciousness --is ruining this newsgroup.
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> MM:
> Marlowe, Shakespeare, Bacon, Donne, Spenser, etc., were all great
> Mystics.  It's whining Anti-Strats who're affecting this NG
> negatively, I'd say.
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> Michael Martin

MM:
I think Elizabeth should explain exactly what is "malicious," about
discussing the metaphysical aspects of the Elizabethan Mystics?

What about Anti-Strats, ripping off Shakespeare? That is malicious,
if you ask me. He was the Son of God, and I'm sure God is not
overjoyed about it, also.

Michael Martin