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Benjamin "Ben" Jonson (c. 11 June 1572 – 6 August 1637)
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marco
Apr 3, 2013, 11:24:07 AM4/3/13
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Ben Jonson, an English Renaissance dramatist, poet and actor,
he is best known for his satirical plays, particularly Volpone,
The Alchemist, and Bartholomew Fair, which are considered his best,
and his lyric poems. A man of vast reading and a seemingly
insatiable appetite for controversy, Jonson had an unparalleled
breadth of influence on Jacobean and Caroline playwrights and poets.
a few of his comments:
"Samuel Daniel was a good honest man, had no
children: but no poet."
"That Michael Drayton's Poly-Olbion (if he had
performed what he promised to write, the deeds
of all the worthies) had been excellent: his
long verses pleased him not."
"He esteemeth John Donne the first poet in the
world, in some things: his verses of the lost
chain he hath by heart; and that passage of
'The Calm', that dust and feathers do not stir,
all was so quiet. Affirmeth Donne to have written
all his best pieces ere he was twenty-five
years old."
on Shakespeare:
"Shakespeare, in a play, brought in a number of men
saying they had suffered shipwreck in Bohemia, where there
is no sea near by some 100 miles."
"...(for I loved the man, and do honour
his memory - on this side idolatry - as
much as any). He was (indeed) honest, and of
an open, and free nature: had an excellent
fancy; brave notions, and gentle expressions:
wherein he flowed with that facility, that
sometime it was necessary he should be
stopped: sufflaminandus erat; as Augustus said
of Haterius."
"His wit was in his own power;
would the rule of it had been so too. Many
times he fell into those things, could not escape
laughter: as when he said in the person of
Caesar, one speaking to him; "Caesar, thou
dost me wrong'. He replied: 'Caesar did never
wrong, but with just cause': and such like..."
"But he redeemed his
vices, with his virtues. There was ever more in
him to be praised, than to be pardoned."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Jonson
marc
he is best known for his satirical plays, particularly Volpone,
The Alchemist, and Bartholomew Fair, which are considered his best,
and his lyric poems. A man of vast reading and a seemingly
insatiable appetite for controversy, Jonson had an unparalleled
breadth of influence on Jacobean and Caroline playwrights and poets.
a few of his comments:
"Samuel Daniel was a good honest man, had no
children: but no poet."
"That Michael Drayton's Poly-Olbion (if he had
performed what he promised to write, the deeds
of all the worthies) had been excellent: his
long verses pleased him not."
"He esteemeth John Donne the first poet in the
world, in some things: his verses of the lost
chain he hath by heart; and that passage of
'The Calm', that dust and feathers do not stir,
all was so quiet. Affirmeth Donne to have written
all his best pieces ere he was twenty-five
years old."
on Shakespeare:
"Shakespeare, in a play, brought in a number of men
saying they had suffered shipwreck in Bohemia, where there
is no sea near by some 100 miles."
"...(for I loved the man, and do honour
his memory - on this side idolatry - as
much as any). He was (indeed) honest, and of
an open, and free nature: had an excellent
fancy; brave notions, and gentle expressions:
wherein he flowed with that facility, that
sometime it was necessary he should be
stopped: sufflaminandus erat; as Augustus said
of Haterius."
"His wit was in his own power;
would the rule of it had been so too. Many
times he fell into those things, could not escape
laughter: as when he said in the person of
Caesar, one speaking to him; "Caesar, thou
dost me wrong'. He replied: 'Caesar did never
wrong, but with just cause': and such like..."
"But he redeemed his
vices, with his virtues. There was ever more in
him to be praised, than to be pardoned."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Jonson
marc
neonprose @ gmail.com
Apr 5, 2013, 5:51:24 PM4/5/13
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>
> outlet to the sea.
>
> Elizabeth writes: The problem is the confusion of
>
> the names "Shakespeare." Bacon took that as his
>
> name when only a young kid studying at Cambridge.
>
> He, Bacon would be the "Speare Shaker" in honor
>
> of Pallas Athene who shook her spear at the Serpent
>
> of Ignorance.
>
> Jonson is referring to Bacon, not to the Stratford broker.
>
> Jonson is on record for not admiring that person.
>
> "...(for I loved the man, and do honour
>
> his memory - on this side idolatry - as
>
> much as any). He was (indeed) honest, and of
>
> an open, and free nature: had an excellent
>
> fancy; brave notions, and gentle expressions:
>
> wherein he flowed with that facility, that
>
> sometime it was necessary he should be
>
> stopped: sufflaminandus erat; as Augustus said
>
> of Haterius."
>
> Like the Stratford broker knew anything about
> "...(for I loved the man, and do honour
>
> his memory - on this side idolatry - as
>
> much as any). He was (indeed) honest, and of
>
> an open, and free nature: had an excellent
>
> fancy; brave notions, and gentle expressions:
>
> wherein he flowed with that facility, that
>
> sometime it was necessary he should be
>
> stopped: sufflaminandus erat; as Augustus said
>
> of Haterius."
>
> what Augustus said of Haterius.
>
> "His wit was in his own power;
>
> would the rule of it had been so too. Many
>
> times he fell into those things, could not escape
>
> laughter: as when he said in the person of
>
> Caesar, one speaking to him; "Caesar, thou
>
> dost me wrong'. He replied: 'Caesar did never
>
> wrong, but with just cause': and such like..."
>
> Those are Bacon's jestes.
> "His wit was in his own power;
>
> would the rule of it had been so too. Many
>
> times he fell into those things, could not escape
>
> laughter: as when he said in the person of
>
> Caesar, one speaking to him; "Caesar, thou
>
> dost me wrong'. He replied: 'Caesar did never
>
> wrong, but with just cause': and such like..."
>
marco
Apr 5, 2013, 6:40:08 PM4/5/13
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bacon
I have a gammon of bacon and two razors of ginger, King Henry IV, part I: II, i
Ah! whoreson caterpillars! bacon-fed knaves! they King Henry IV, part I: II, ii
'hang-hog' is latin for bacon, I warrant you. Merry Wives of Windsor: IV, i
elizabeth
At young elizabeth, my brother's daughter, King Richard III: IV, iii
You have a daughter call'd elizabeth, King Richard III: IV, iv
Princess of england, elizabeth! King Henry VIII: V, v
He shall espouse elizabeth her daughter. King Richard III: IV, v
O, now, let richmond and elizabeth, King Richard III: V, v
elizabeth. King Henry VIII: V, v
marc
I have a gammon of bacon and two razors of ginger, King Henry IV, part I: II, i
Ah! whoreson caterpillars! bacon-fed knaves! they King Henry IV, part I: II, ii
'hang-hog' is latin for bacon, I warrant you. Merry Wives of Windsor: IV, i
elizabeth
At young elizabeth, my brother's daughter, King Richard III: IV, iii
You have a daughter call'd elizabeth, King Richard III: IV, iv
Princess of england, elizabeth! King Henry VIII: V, v
He shall espouse elizabeth her daughter. King Richard III: IV, v
O, now, let richmond and elizabeth, King Richard III: V, v
elizabeth. King Henry VIII: V, v
marc
marco
Jun 17, 2013, 11:51:55 PM6/17/13
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neon...@gmail.com
Jun 19, 2013, 12:56:18 AM6/19/13
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On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:24:07 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> Ben Jonson, an English Renaissance dramatist, poet and actor,
>
>
>
> he is best known for his satirical plays, particularly Volpone,
>
> The Alchemist, and Bartholomew Fair, which are considered his best,
>
> and his lyric poems. A man of vast reading and a seemingly
>
> insatiable appetite for controversy, Jonson had an unparalleled
>
> breadth of influence on Jacobean and Caroline playwrights and poets.
>
>
> ELIZ WRITES: Love Jonson but didn't Donne have a wife who
>
>
>
> he is best known for his satirical plays, particularly Volpone,
>
> The Alchemist, and Bartholomew Fair, which are considered his best,
>
> and his lyric poems. A man of vast reading and a seemingly
>
> insatiable appetite for controversy, Jonson had an unparalleled
>
> breadth of influence on Jacobean and Caroline playwrights and poets.
>
>
>
> operated a whore house? There was some complaint about
>
> Donne's hypocrisy since he was living off the wages of sinne.
>
> Of course Donne's wife's bordellos were lavishly furnished,
>
> she had the finest clientle in London, iirc one of her whore
>
> houses was on the east bank of the Thames, not located
>
> anywhere near Blackfriars, where the Stratford Broker
>
> contracted the several diseases that killed him.
>
>
> a few of his comments:
>
>
>
> "Samuel Daniel was a good honest man, had no
>
> children: but no poet."
>
>
>
> "That Michael Drayton's Poly-Olbion (if he had
>
> performed what he promised to write, the deeds
>
> of all the worthies) had been excellent: his
>
> long verses pleased him not."
>
>
>
> "He esteemeth John Donne the first poet in the
>
> world, in some things: his verses of the lost
>
> chain he hath by heart; and that passage of
>
> 'The Calm', that dust and feathers do not stir,
>
> all was so quiet. Affirmeth Donne to have written
>
> all his best pieces ere he was twenty-five
>
> years old."
>
>
>
>
>
> on Shakespeare:
>
>
>
> "Shakespeare, in a play, brought in a number of men
>
> saying they had suffered shipwreck in Bohemia, where there
>
> is no sea near by some 100 miles."
>
> That play was, in fact, written by Bacon, who ridiculed
>
> a few of his comments:
>
>
>
> "Samuel Daniel was a good honest man, had no
>
> children: but no poet."
>
>
>
> "That Michael Drayton's Poly-Olbion (if he had
>
> performed what he promised to write, the deeds
>
> of all the worthies) had been excellent: his
>
> long verses pleased him not."
>
>
>
> "He esteemeth John Donne the first poet in the
>
> world, in some things: his verses of the lost
>
> chain he hath by heart; and that passage of
>
> 'The Calm', that dust and feathers do not stir,
>
> all was so quiet. Affirmeth Donne to have written
>
> all his best pieces ere he was twenty-five
>
> years old."
>
>
>
>
>
> on Shakespeare:
>
>
>
> "Shakespeare, in a play, brought in a number of men
>
> saying they had suffered shipwreck in Bohemia, where there
>
> is no sea near by some 100 miles."
>
>
> the Bohemians in the 1623 First Folio and furthermore
>
> there was a small outlet, a river that did extend from
>
> a cleft in the mountains of Bohemia into the Mediterranean
>
> Sea.
>
> "...(for I loved the man, and do honour
>
> his memory - on this side idolatry - as
>
> much as any). He was (indeed) honest, and of
>
> an open, and free nature: had an excellent
>
> fancy; brave notions, and gentle expressions:
>
> wherein he flowed with that facility, that
>
> sometime it was necessary he should be
>
> stopped: sufflaminandus erat; as Augustus said
>
> of Haterius."
>
>
>
> "His wit was in his own power;
>
> would the rule of it had been so too. Many
>
> times he fell into those things, could not escape
>
> laughter: as when he said in the person of
>
> Caesar, one speaking to him; "Caesar, thou
>
> dost me wrong'. He replied: 'Caesar did never
>
> wrong, but with just cause': and such like..."
>
>
>
> "But he redeemed his
>
> vices, with his virtues. There was ever more in
>
> him to be praised, than to be pardoned."
>
>
> That's Jonson remembering Bacon. Bacon laughed
> "...(for I loved the man, and do honour
>
> his memory - on this side idolatry - as
>
> much as any). He was (indeed) honest, and of
>
> an open, and free nature: had an excellent
>
> fancy; brave notions, and gentle expressions:
>
> wherein he flowed with that facility, that
>
> sometime it was necessary he should be
>
> stopped: sufflaminandus erat; as Augustus said
>
> of Haterius."
>
>
>
> "His wit was in his own power;
>
> would the rule of it had been so too. Many
>
> times he fell into those things, could not escape
>
> laughter: as when he said in the person of
>
> Caesar, one speaking to him; "Caesar, thou
>
> dost me wrong'. He replied: 'Caesar did never
>
> wrong, but with just cause': and such like..."
>
>
>
> "But he redeemed his
>
> vices, with his virtues. There was ever more in
>
> him to be praised, than to be pardoned."
>
>
>
> at his own jestes.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Jonson
>
> Thanks for the post, Marco, we need broader topics
>
> like yours in HLAS.
>
> marc
neon...@gmail.com
Jun 20, 2013, 1:23:23 AM6/20/13
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On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:24:07 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
> Ben Jonson, an English Renaissance dramatist, poet and actor,
>
>
>
> he is best known for his satirical plays, particularly Volpone,
>
> The Alchemist, and Bartholomew Fair, which are considered his best,
>
> and his lyric poems. A man of vast reading and a seemingly
>
> insatiable appetite for controversy, Jonson had an unparalleled
>
> breadth of influence on Jacobean and Caroline playwrights and poets.
>
>
>
>
>
> a few of his comments:
>
>
>
> "Samuel Daniel was a good honest man, had no
>
> children: but no poet."
>
>
>
> "That Michael Drayton's Poly-Olbion (if he had
>
> performed what he promised to write, the deeds
>
> of all the worthies) had been excellent: his
>
> long verses pleased him not."
>
>
>
> "He esteemeth John Donne the first poet in the
>
> world, in some things: his verses of the lost
>
> chain he hath by heart; and that passage of
>
> 'The Calm', that dust and feathers do not stir,
>
> all was so quiet. Affirmeth Donne to have written
>
> all his best pieces ere he was twenty-five
>
> years old."
>
>
>
>
>
> on Shakespeare:
>
> We had a fracus over this quote earlier in HLAS history,
>
>
>
> he is best known for his satirical plays, particularly Volpone,
>
> The Alchemist, and Bartholomew Fair, which are considered his best,
>
> and his lyric poems. A man of vast reading and a seemingly
>
> insatiable appetite for controversy, Jonson had an unparalleled
>
> breadth of influence on Jacobean and Caroline playwrights and poets.
>
>
>
>
>
> a few of his comments:
>
>
>
> "Samuel Daniel was a good honest man, had no
>
> children: but no poet."
>
>
>
> "That Michael Drayton's Poly-Olbion (if he had
>
> performed what he promised to write, the deeds
>
> of all the worthies) had been excellent: his
>
> long verses pleased him not."
>
>
>
> "He esteemeth John Donne the first poet in the
>
> world, in some things: his verses of the lost
>
> chain he hath by heart; and that passage of
>
> 'The Calm', that dust and feathers do not stir,
>
> all was so quiet. Affirmeth Donne to have written
>
> all his best pieces ere he was twenty-five
>
> years old."
>
>
>
>
>
> on Shakespeare:
>
>
> it involved Bacon re: whether or not there was a narrow
>
> gap in the mountains of Bohemia abutting on the sea.
>
> "Shakespeare, in a play, brought in a number of men
>
> saying they had suffered shipwreck in Bohemia, where there
>
> is no sea near by some 100 miles."
>
>
> wrote a single play, at least we've never seen one, but
>
> there is a play in the First Folio (I'll have to look it up)
>
> which goes on about the shipwreck in Bohemia, if in the FF
>
> the play was written by Bacon, not the Stratford Panderer.
>
> "...(for I loved the man, and do honour
>
> his memory - on this side idolatry - as
>
> much as any). He was (indeed) honest, and of
>
> an open, and free nature: had an excellent
>
> fancy; brave notions, and gentle expressions:
>
> wherein he flowed with that facility, that
>
> sometime it was necessary he should be
>
> stopped: sufflaminandus erat; as Augustus said
>
> of Haterius."
>
> THIS, is undeniably Jonson on his long time friend Bacon.
> "...(for I loved the man, and do honour
>
> his memory - on this side idolatry - as
>
> much as any). He was (indeed) honest, and of
>
> an open, and free nature: had an excellent
>
> fancy; brave notions, and gentle expressions:
>
> wherein he flowed with that facility, that
>
> sometime it was necessary he should be
>
> stopped: sufflaminandus erat; as Augustus said
>
> of Haterius."
>
>
> "His wit was in his own power;
>
> would the rule of it had been so too. Many
>
> times he fell into those things, could not escape
>
> laughter: as when he said in the person of
>
> Caesar, one speaking to him; "Caesar, thou
>
> dost me wrong'. He replied: 'Caesar did never
>
> wrong, but with just cause': and such like..."
>
> Bacon was famous for his quit wit, he had a
> "His wit was in his own power;
>
> would the rule of it had been so too. Many
>
> times he fell into those things, could not escape
>
> laughter: as when he said in the person of
>
> Caesar, one speaking to him; "Caesar, thou
>
> dost me wrong'. He replied: 'Caesar did never
>
> wrong, but with just cause': and such like..."
>
>
> marvelous sense of humor, his only problem
>
> was "envy" (I think he wrote one of his famous
>
> Essays on envy) coming from the less mentally
>
> endowed. I don't know, it's been some time
>
> since I read Bacon's famous Essays, but really, they're
>
> still being read all these four going on five
>
> centuries later, I think they'll be around in the
>
> next four or five hundred years, they really
>
> are immortal.
>
> of humor
>
> "But he redeemed his
>
> vices, with his virtues. There was ever more in
>
> him to be praised, than to be pardoned."
>
>
> That's Jonson referring to his witty friend
> "But he redeemed his
>
> vices, with his virtues. There was ever more in
>
> him to be praised, than to be pardoned."
>
>
>
> and roomie at Twickenham, Francis Bacon,
>
> Sadly Bacon had to sell the Twickenham Estate,
>
> and relocate in London.
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Jonson
>
>
>
> marc
neon...@gmail.com
Jun 20, 2013, 1:26:30 AM6/20/13
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On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:24:07 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
>
> only a kid at Cambridge University. Jonson is in no
>
> way referring to the Stratford Broker of Young Human Flesh,
>
> he's referring to the scholar and friend that he lived with
>
> for many years, that would be Francis Bacon, not the
>
> STRATFORD PANDERER for Godsake.
neon...@gmail.com
Jun 20, 2013, 7:53:13 AM6/20/13
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On Wednesday, April 3, 2013 8:24:07 AM UTC-7, marco wrote:
>
>
> Ben Jonson, an English Renaissance dramatist, poet and actor,
>
>
>
> he is best known for his satirical plays, particularly Volpone,
>
> The Alchemist, and Bartholomew Fair, which are considered his best,
>
> and his lyric poems. A man of vast reading and a seemingly
>
> insatiable appetite for controversy, Jonson had an unparalleled
>
> breadth of influence on Jacobean and Caroline playwrights and poets.
>
>
> Elizabeth writes to marco, now this is a worthy post, it's
>
>
>
> he is best known for his satirical plays, particularly Volpone,
>
> The Alchemist, and Bartholomew Fair, which are considered his best,
>
> and his lyric poems. A man of vast reading and a seemingly
>
> insatiable appetite for controversy, Jonson had an unparalleled
>
> breadth of influence on Jacobean and Caroline playwrights and poets.
>
>
>
> informative, factual, well-written, and it doesn't insult
>
> any women. Keep writing at this level and you will can
>
> aspire to authorship.
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