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Jan Klee  
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 More options May 14 2003, 5:02 am
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From: "Jan Klee" <jklee2...@planet.nl>
Date: Wed, 14 May 2003 10:59:45 +0200
Local: Wed, May 14 2003 4:59 am
Subject: Svabodhanam?
I'm not so familiar with Sanskrit, and wondering
if someone can help me out, with the following:

What does  "Svabodhanam"mean?
.

Thank you (in advance)

Jan

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Phillip Ernest  
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 More options May 14 2003, 10:10 am
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From: phillip.ern...@utoronto.ca (Phillip Ernest)
Date: 14 May 2003 07:10:46 -0700
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Subject: Re: Svabodhanam?

"Jan Klee" <jklee2...@planet.nl> wrote in message <news:b9t0r7$fp8$1@reader08.wxs.nl>...
> I'm not so familiar with Sanskrit, and wondering
> if someone can help me out, with the following:

> What does  "Svabodhanam"mean?

Off the top of my head, I'd say bodhanam is from the causative, so
'awakening' in the active sense, so svabodhanam is 'waking oneself up,
self-awakening'.  But no doubt it may have special technical senses.
Everyone out there correct me if I'm wrong.

P


 
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Vidhyanath Rao  
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 More options May 18 2003, 9:15 am
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From: "Vidhyanath Rao" <nathr...@osu.edu>
Date: Sun, 18 May 2003 09:08:52 -0400
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Subject: Re: Svabodhanam?

"Phillip Ernest" <phillip.ern...@utoronto.ca> wrote in message

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> "Jan Klee" <jklee2...@planet.nl> wrote in message

<news:b9t0r7$fp8$1@reader08.wxs.nl>...

> > What does  "Svabodhanam"mean?

> Off the top of my head, I'd say bodhanam is from the causative,

Words in -ana always have the root vowel in guna, so bodhana- has no
special connection to causative.

Of course, budh, like awaken, be/become aware etc can easily take on
special connotations. So without context, it is hard to say how to
interpret it.


 
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Jan Klee  
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 More options May 19 2003, 2:03 pm
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From: "Jan Klee" <jklee2...@planet.nl>
Date: Mon, 19 May 2003 19:50:57 +0200
Local: Mon, May 19 2003 1:50 pm
Subject: Re: Svabodhanam?
"Vidhyanath Rao" <nathr...@osu.edu> schreef in bericht
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> Of course, budh, like awaken, be/become aware etc can easily take on
> special connotations. So without context, it is hard to say how to
> interpret it.

Thank you  for your answer.

The context can be found in:

"A Buddhist Bible " edited by Dwight Goddard:

....With the discernment of these grand truths and their realization in life
the Bodhisattva became enlightened; he thus attained Sambodhi and became a
Buddha. Rightly has Sambodhi been called Svabodhanam to emphasise the fact
that it cab be accomplished only by self-help without the extraneous aid of
a teacher or an Isvara. ....

JAN
(hoping for your interpretation)


 
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Phillip Ernest  
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 More options May 21 2003, 1:00 am
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From: phillip_ern...@yahoo.ca (Phillip Ernest)
Date: 20 May 2003 22:00:10 -0700
Local: Wed, May 21 2003 1:00 am
Subject: Re: Svabodhanam?

"Vidhyanath Rao" <nathr...@osu.edu> wrote in message <news:ba80nl$ck4$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>...
> Words in -ana always have the root vowel in guna, so bodhana- has no
> special connection to causative.

But surely the fact that a root like budh can only have one form of
the nominal in -ana does not mean that there is no semantic
distinction between a regular nominal bodhana, awakening in the
intransitive sense, and a causative nominal bodhana, awakening in the
transitive sense.  Surely the morphological identity conceals two
causative meanings, and budh no less than any other root is capable of
generating the full array of causative forms?  I am sure that if I
were not so lazy I could immediately support my argument by reference
to Apte or MMW.  Am I wrong?

Phillip


 
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 More options May 21 2003, 2:18 am
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From: ekiheik@dee_double-u_pee.net (eki)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2003 06:33:01 GMT
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Subject: Re: Svabodhanam?
On 20 May 2003 22:00:10 -0700, phillip_ern...@yahoo.ca (Phillip

Ernest) wrote:
>"Vidhyanath Rao" <nathr...@osu.edu> wrote in message <news:ba80nl$ck4$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>...

>> Words in -ana always have the root vowel in guna, so bodhana- has no
>> special connection to causative.

>But surely the fact that a root like budh can only have one form of
>the nominal in -ana does not mean that there is no semantic
>distinction between a regular nominal bodhana, awakening in the
>intransitive sense, and a causative nominal bodhana, awakening in the
>transitive sense.

Both intransitive and transitive meaning seem possible according to my
dictionary.

 
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 More options May 22 2003, 10:40 am
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From: "Vidhyanath Rao" <nathr...@osu.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:26:00 -0400
Subject: Re: Svabodhanam?

"Jan Klee" <jklee2...@planet.nl> wrote
in message news:bab6cr$2v0$1@reader11.wxs.nl...

> Rightly has Sambodhi been called Svabodhanam to
> emphasise the fact that it cab be accomplished only
> by self-help ...

The points seems to be that plain ``bodhana-'' `awakening' is ambiguous
as to voice (as is buddha etc), and so, sva is added make it clear that
it is not due to an external agency.

Nath


 
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 More options May 22 2003, 10:40 am
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From: "Vidhyanath Rao" <nathr...@osu.edu>
Date: Thu, 22 May 2003 10:34:22 -0400
Local: Thurs, May 22 2003 10:34 am
Subject: Re: Svabodhanam?

"Phillip Ernest" <phillip_ern...@yahoo.ca> wrote in message

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> "Vidhyanath Rao" <nathr...@osu.edu> wrote in message

<news:ba80nl$ck4$1@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>...

> > Words in -ana always have the root vowel in guna, so bodhana- has no
> > special connection to causative.

> But surely the fact that a root like budh can only have one form of
> the nominal in -ana does not mean that there is no semantic
> distinction between a regular nominal bodhana, awakening in the
> intransitive sense, and a causative nominal bodhana, awakening in the
> transitive sense.  Surely the morphological identity conceals two
> causative meanings, and budh no less than any other root is capable of
> generating the full array of causative forms?

Yes. But the semantic distinction can be made only by knowing the full
context. In contrast, bodhayati can only mean `awaken someone', while
budhyati can only mean `is awake'. [Complicating things, there are also
bodhati and bodhate.]

Nath


 
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Phillip Ernest  
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 More options May 22 2003, 8:10 pm
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From: phillip_ern...@yahoo.ca (Phillip Ernest)
Date: 22 May 2003 17:10:34 -0700
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Subject: Re: Svabodhanam?

"Vidhyanath Rao" <nathr...@osu.edu> wrote in message <news:baindk$67l$4@charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>...
> Yes. But the semantic distinction can be made only by knowing the full
> context. In contrast, bodhayati can only mean `awaken someone', while
> budhyati can only mean `is awake'. [Complicating things, there are also
> bodhati and bodhate.]

Yes.  svabodhanam seemed most naturally to suggest the reflexive
'awakening oneself'.

Kind regards,

P


 
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 More options May 24 2003, 11:38 pm
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MWDic.:  n. waking , being awake K‚ty¼r. Su½r.
That's to say, it's a neut. n. meaning "self-waking".

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 More options May 28 2003, 5:24 pm
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Date: 28 May 2003 14:24:02 -0700
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Subject: Re: Svabodhanam?
On the other hand it could mean 'good unconsciousness'.

P


 
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Jan Klee  
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 More options May 30 2003, 11:01 am
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Date: Fri, 30 May 2003 16:58:44 +0200
Local: Fri, May 30 2003 10:58 am
Subject: Thank you all.

http://home.planet.nl/~klee0017/Basanta.mp3

As "token" for my appreciation.

Greetings from Holland,

JAN


 
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