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From: Yuval Levy <goo...@levy.ch>
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:56:44 -0400
Local: Sat, Oct 16 2010 6:56 pm
Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Ubuntu 10.10, Hugin
On October 16, 2010 06:10:22 pm Bob Bright wrote: > Dale: It doesn't matter whether you use aptitude or apt-get -- there's thank you for fixing this. > no such package as 'wx-i18n'. And as kfj has already noted, installing > wx2.8-i18n doesn't help with the build. > The missing dependency is in fact libwxgtk2.8-dev. I've updated the libwxgtk2.8-dev was already on that page before Dale messed it up [0]. To be sure: I did a complete build from scratch of the latest default branch libxi-dev I'll fix this and the other stuff later. > On 10-10-15 09:39 AM, Dale Beams wrote: @Dale: I find your activity to be spurious, random, conducive to confusion at > > Have you tried building using aptitude. Ubuntu's prefered way is > > first the software manager and then if needed aptitude. Therefore I > > always use "sudo aptitude install some_package" as it's a more > > complete solution and will pick items that apt-get doesn't. As a > > result I've only been adding those dependencies which have shown > > deficient in aptitude. best, and to damage otherwise. Whether it is about build instructions or the distribution of deb packages. Would you please stop and validate with more experienced contributors before moving ahead with your stuff? As Bob said, it is not apt-get vs. aptitude. To say it to you very directly: For the Wiki page, all of your modifications in the past three weeks [0] have Can you explain to me: 1. what is your point of adding the -p switch to the creation of a single 2. what is your point of changing the naming convention for the build folder 3. last but not least, what is your point of fiddling with dependencies that Regarding the distribution of deb packages, you have been advised many times Spreading around your shattered stuff website is not helpful to Hugin. There If you want to be helpful to the project, start by learning what is wrong on Yuv (very annoyed) [0]
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From: Dale Beams <drbe...@hotmail.com>
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 18:48:05 -0500
Local: Sat, Oct 16 2010 7:48 pm
Subject: RE: [hugin-ptx] Re: Ubuntu 10.10, Hugin
Bob, Thanks. I did a comparison this afternoon of both. You are correct. I moved some time ago, and my previous experience hasn't caught up with current implementation. Yuv, Yes, I found these dependencies (libxi-dev, libxmu-dev) this afternoon after searching my bash history. Thanks for finding them again and adding them to the wiki. Sadly I neglected to put them into the wiki upon discovery the first time. It's a good thing I was able to build the debs though, just think how useful they were to other people who weren't able to complete the build ealier. :) If there is no difference between apt-get and aptitude, let's change it to aptitude. This is afterall the preferred ubuntu way, and we are building for ubuntu according to the wiki. Sorry about the libwxgtk2.8-dev. It appears I may have accidentally deleted it when moving things around trying to get it to fit on a smaller screen using the / ... I'm glad you found it and fixed it. I'm also glad I was able to contribute some of the other missing dependencies. Thanks for explaining the hugin.hg.build. I merely changed it to be consistent with the rest of the entries without realizing "build" was there for specific build numbers. Perhaps we should add this explanation to the wiki. Btw, if were not using autotools anymore, perhaps we can remove it? I do intend to continue to distribute binaries. They provide an option for those not wanting to build to use new features. This is OSS, and that's what freedom is about. Isn't it great! Dale You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Yuval Levy <goo...@levy.ch>
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2010 22:01:55 -0400
Local: Sat, Oct 16 2010 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Ubuntu 10.10, Hugin
On October 16, 2010 07:48:05 pm Dale Beams wrote: > It's a good thing I was able to build the debs The people who weren't able to complete the build earlier where not able to do > though, just think how useful they were to other people who weren't able > to complete the build ealier. :) so because of your changes to the wiki. From my perspective your debs have been everything else but useful. The only Plenty of people build those debs. AFAIK you're the only one who fails to see > If there is no difference between apt-get and aptitude, let's change it to Does it improve the instruction in any meaningful way? I don't think so. > aptitude. This is afterall the preferred ubuntu way, and we are building > for ubuntu according to the wiki. Leave it as it is. There are enough moving parts and the last thing we need is unnecessary tinkering. I think it is better that *you* stay out of that wiki page until you start > Sorry about the libwxgtk2.8-dev. It appears I may have accidentally It appears to me that your explanation is... very lacking at best. Looking at > deleted it when moving things around trying to get it to fit on a smaller > screen using the / ... I'm glad you found it and fixed it. I'm also glad > I was able to contribute some of the other missing dependencies. the diff of your change [0] I see no "moving things around trying to get it to fit on a smaller screen". Just fiddling that broke the instructions. You did not contribute any missing dependencies. The two dependencies you added where already automatically fetched by apt-get when fetching libwxgtk2.8-dev before you messed up. And nobody will ever know if you "contributed" libxi-dev libxmu-dev -- you "forgot" to add them. > Thanks for explaining the hugin.hg.build. I merely changed it to be I see your point here - there is no such convention with Enblend and Libpano. > consistent with the rest of the entries without realizing "build" was > there for specific build numbers. They also don't have as many branches as Hugin. I agree with you that the naming convention could be improved / made more > Perhaps we should add this explanation feel free to contribute a text. most users just take the wiki page as it is > to the wiki. and don't really care. Those who do care and understand don't need explanations. It works for most of them without explanation. > Btw, if were not using autotools anymore, perhaps we can No. While Hugin has fully moved to CMake and the other building methods are > remove it? no longer maintained/documented, the Cmake build of Enblend has not been fully adopted and autotools is still the preferred build of the last known active maintainers. Even if you could motivate the project to prefer Cmake over autotools, there are good reason to keep the information intact as long as it is not obsolete. That wiki page is a repository of technical knowledge to enable users to become contributors. It's a map on the learning curve. It could surely be simplified into a fast-food recipe, but then the really fast food recipe is sudo add-apt-repository ppa:hugin/hugin-builds added to the Wiki page. > I do intend to continue to distribute binaries. They provide an option for You are free to do what you want on your website and with your resources. > those not wanting to build to use new features. This is OSS, and that's > what freedom is about. Isn't it great! Lemmings are free to follow each other to the abyss. For those not wanting to build to use new features there are better options. They are now documented on the wiki page as well. I recommend the deb packages by Philipp Seidel - they have been built according to the canonical way of building packages. Yuv [0]
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From: kfj <_...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 03:16:07 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Oct 17 2010 6:16 am
Subject: Re: Ubuntu 10.10, Hugin
On 17 Okt., 04:01, Yuval Levy <goo...@levy.ch> wrote:
> You are free to do what you want on your website and with your resources.
Here's from a lemming. I reverted my Kubuntu 10.10 virgin vm to just
> Lemmings are free to follow each other to the abyss. For those not wanting to > build to use new features there are better options. They are now documented > on the wiki page as well. I recommend the deb packages by Philipp Seidel - > they have been built according to the canonical way of building packages. after building enblend and left it there, the botched branch in the abyss. It was a learning experience, nevertheless, and now the vm is sitting there for the next occasion I need a virgin system to try silly stuff on. Disregard my comments on KpackageKit vs apt-get, it was probably just some confusion arising from trying to do the impossible after a day of hard work... With the revised wiki I went back to work with a new checkout of 2010.3, got all the dependencies, ran cmake, ran make package, waited... it went past 63% ... completed ... installed ... RUNS Thanks for the rectifications, and sorry again for all the noise. Hopefully I'll be able to do something productive eventually... I'm back on track! :) Now I'll see if I can build panoGLView as well. with regards
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From: kfj <_...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 03:50:21 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Oct 17 2010 6:50 am
Subject: Re: Ubuntu 10.10, Hugin
On 17 Okt., 12:16, kfj <_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I'm back on track! :) Now I'll see if I can build panoGLView as well.
still no joy with panoglview. Does this look familiar to anyone:
kfj@Anja:~/src/panoglview/pglv.hg$ panoglview ~/Bilder/*4/*_fused.tif
Thanks again for the updated wiki, apart from panoglview, I managed to
with regards
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From: kfj <_...@yahoo.com>
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2010 02:25:55 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Sun, Oct 17 2010 5:25 am
Subject: Re: Ubuntu 10.10, Hugin
On 17 Okt., 00:56, Yuval Levy <goo...@levy.ch> wrote:
> @Dale: I find your activity to be spurious, random, conducive to confusion at
oops... maybe I've been barking up the wrong tree all along. Sorry for
> best, and to damage otherwise. Whether it is about build instructions or the > distribution of deb packages. Would you please stop and validate with more > experienced contributors before moving ahead with your stuff? all the noise I created because of my naively following the wiki and installing Dale's packets. I'll start afresh. with regards
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From: Dale Beams <drbe...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:40:41 -0500
Local: Fri, Oct 15 2010 12:40 pm
Subject: RE: [hugin-ptx] Re: Ubuntu 10.10, Hugin
btw, thanks for the directories list. I hadn't gotten all the way through it yet before I had to part to do something else. Dale You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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From: Kornel Benko <Kornel.Be...@berlin.de>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 19:08:21 +0200
Local: Fri, Oct 15 2010 1:08 pm
Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Ubuntu 10.10, Hugin
Am Freitag 15 Oktober 2010 schrieb Dale Beams: > btw, thanks for the directories list. I hadn't gotten all the way through Looks like all data directories have to be created first. I will check the build as soon, as I upgrade to 10.10. > it yet before I had to part to do something else. Meanwhile, we may add a preinst script to our sources. If someone is adventurous 1.) create "Debian" directory (in source tree) # Already in hugin-sources(trunk) There should be a better way of course. I really don't understand why this directories are not created with Kornel Kornel Benko Kornel.Be...@berlin.de
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From: Kornel Benko <Kornel.Be...@berlin.de>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 20:04:36 +0200
Local: Fri, Oct 15 2010 2:04 pm
Subject: Re: [hugin-ptx] Re: Ubuntu 10.10, Hugin
Am Freitag 15 Oktober 2010 schrieb Dale Beams: > btw, thanks for the directories list. I hadn't gotten all the way through Googling i found following: > it yet before I had to part to do something else. > Dale ... > INSTALL(FILES my_project.glade DESTINATION /usr/share/my_project) > INSTALL(FILES my_project.png DESTINATION /usr/share/my_project) > INSTALL(FILES my_project.desktop DESTINATION /usr/share/applications) You use ABSOLUTE destination, this is known to be broken for many Kornel
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From: Dale Beams <drbe...@hotmail.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:37:12 -0500
Local: Fri, Oct 15 2010 3:37 pm
Subject: RE: [hugin-ptx] Re: Ubuntu 10.10, Hugin
Kornel, I use a VirtualBox vm with a fresh install of Ubuntu 10.10 for both build and installation. My build and installations are clean. Then I'll normally install on my own system and post the binaries. I posted early before doing complete testing for installation, in part as a response to others who were trying to build. I was able to get a successful build, following through the wiki. Dale From: Kornel.Be...@berlin.de Am Freitag 15 Oktober 2010 schrieb Dale Beams: > btw, thanks for the directories list. I hadn't gotten all the way through Googling i found following: > it yet before I had to part to do something else. > Dale ... > INSTALL(FILES my_project.glade DESTINATION /usr/share/my_project) > INSTALL(FILES my_project.png DESTINATION /usr/share/my_project) > INSTALL(FILES my_project.desktop DESTINATION /usr/share/applications) You use ABSOLUTE destination, this is known to be broken for many Kornel You must Sign in before you can post messages.
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