Sandals, Shoes" Received: by 10.43.3.4 with SMTP id nw4mr1058315icb.13.1349981102442; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:45:02 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: huaraches@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.50.214.34 with SMTP id nx2ls23743igc.1.gmail; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.146.4 with SMTP id h4mr1043992icv.21.1349981097090; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.42.146.4 with SMTP id h4mr1043991icv.21.1349981097073; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mail-ie0-f180.google.com (mail-ie0-f180.google.com [209.85.223.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l2si669182igo.1.2012.10.11.11.44.57 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of tuck...@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.223.180; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of tuck...@gmail.com designates 209.85.223.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=tuck...@gmail.com; dkim=pass header...@gmail.com Received: by mail-ie0-f180.google.com with SMTP id e10so4969485iej.39 for ; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:44:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=dJ9+EBgSEo6lLaLyeG6pH6Vl1IOD7Cdlc5uGv3WTBAE=; b=yAnjbIfP0bsOGq0gF8CuW0xU/TVDvnbObwayh2mS8HXmQCHbbqedjI5l9df/FzkB8U 7lUeUeJ9i7pcchx5r8NqzJuwFVBr2CxEZIR+rwV02GL/zFSZXqxqmovvoAXcOWt4TWRI A7BjiT1vD9Dli1I9zHnJSculk5jBhAoYyIOpVb58IKKoXUPIG1ii6doEyN0X+6pmI41/ ElMC2WWQoN+FXY1tmr9WjZDLpPUJaKsHt3ONsuUCOJ6oLOCLO7N3aywlb1gYg6lx54as jHSe5Y7FuzwJIWByHeCZAZEZJpFE+xyFuCQHvCDJBan458oAh9iq/3a108PjzMwROxms Zewg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.213.73 with SMTP id nq9mr5755664igc.27.1349981096955; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:44:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.64.12.161 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Oct 2012 11:44:56 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3213f027-09dd-497e-897b-6c64afaa46f7@googlegroups.com> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2012 14:44:56 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:123969] Re: the role of the ankle joint in foot pain From: Tuck To: huaraches@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae93405f3bccdf104cbccf7bb --14dae93405f3bccdf104cbccf7bb Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 The tendons are too loose, not too tight. I ski, and (obviously) wear ski boots on each foot. The (did I say left leg?) right foot, which is the problem leg, over-pronates so much that it compresses the foam on the inside of the boot and ultimately slams into the plastic shell. This is not a good thing, or a happy feeling. :) I've just ordered two new set of boot liners for my two sets of ski boots as a result of this problem. I did try getting orthotics made for my boots last winter, btw, and while they did improve the feel of skiing, they did not resolve the over-pronation. The two best bits of advice I've gotten to rectify this was running in my barefeet (over-supination goes along with over-pronation, often, and you blister like hell if you over-supinate), and correcting my cross-over gait. All the weak and too-loose bits have been aching ever since correcting the cross-over gait, which tells me they're now getting worked the way they ought to be getting worked. No negative effects, although it's a weird feeling to change your movement pattern (again!) after 30+ years... On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:33 PM, JZ wrote: > I don't know for sure, but I think mobilizing the ankle joint could help > with that. The tendons and soft tissue around your ankle could be too > tight in some spots, which might prevent your knee from traveling straight > over your toes. I believe my problem with my left foot was due, in part, > to under-pronation in that foot, so I've actually been trying to have more > pronation in that foot (but at the same time trying to avoid going into > overpronation. So I've been dealing with this issue, but coming at the > problem from a somewhat different angle). > > > On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Tuck wrote: > >> Yes. But only with the left leg. >> >> >> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:08 PM, JZ wrote: >> >>> I may have this wrong, but I envision overpronating as being when the >>> knee comes in (medially) while you are collapsing through your arch. Is >>> that what's happening with you? >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Tuck wrote: >>> >>>> "Although the guy is clearly old school in the fact that he's in the >>>> over-pronation is bad camp..." >>>> >>>> I've been meaning to post about that. >>>> >>>> Over-pronation IS bad, it certainly has been in my experience. (I have >>>> one foot that over-pronates, and one that does not. Guess which leg has >>>> all the problems?) >>>> >>>> I'll also note that the videos online showing Haile G over-pronating >>>> and observing that he had no knee issues probably need to be revised. >>>> >>>> But the question then becomes, if I'm overpronating, what should I do >>>> about it? >>>> >>>> The answer is clearly not "buy motion-control shoes and orthotics", as >>>> those are ineffective at best. >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Nick J wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yep read that last night. Although the guy is clearly old school in >>>>> the fact that he's in the over-pronation is bad camp, otherwise a great >>>>> article with some interesting insight, some good exercises too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, 11 October 2012 17:14:23 UTC+2, JZ wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> and how to fix it... >>>>>> >>>>>> http://www.irunfar.com/2012/**10/is-your-plantar-fasciitis-** >>>>>> plantar-fasciitis-and-what-to-**do-about-it.html >>>>>> >>>>>> I think there's some pretty good info in there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> "Minimalist Runner - Barefoot, Sandals, Shoes..." hosted by Barefoot >>>>> Ted >>>>> >>>>> Membership Options: http://groups.google.com/group/huaraches/subscribe >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> _________________________________ >>>> Tucker >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "Minimalist Runner - Barefoot, Sandals, Shoes..." hosted by Barefoot Ted >>>> >>>> Membership Options: http://groups.google.com/group/huaraches/subscribe >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Joe >>> >>> -- >>> "Minimalist Runner - Barefoot, Sandals, Shoes..." hosted by Barefoot Ted >>> >>> Membership Options: http://groups.google.com/group/huaraches/subscribe >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> _________________________________ >> Tucker >> >> >> -- >> "Minimalist Runner - Barefoot, Sandals, Shoes..." hosted by Barefoot Ted >> >> Membership Options: http://groups.google.com/group/huaraches/subscribe >> > > > > -- > Joe > > -- > "Minimalist Runner - Barefoot, Sandals, Shoes..." hosted by Barefoot Ted > > Membership Options: http://groups.google.com/group/huaraches/subscribe > -- _________________________________ Tucker --14dae93405f3bccdf104cbccf7bb Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The tendons are=A0too loose, not too tight.=A0
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I ski, and (obviously) wear ski boots on each foot.=A0 The (did I say lef= t leg?) right foot, which is the problem leg, over-pronates so much that it= compresses the foam on the inside of the boot and ultimately slams into th= e plastic shell.=A0 This is not a good thing, or a happy feeling. :)=A0 I&#= 39;ve just ordered two new set of boot liners for my two sets of ski boots = as a result of this problem.=A0
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I did try getting orthotics made for my boots last winte= r, btw, and while they did improve the feel of skiing, they did not resolve= the over-pronation.
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The two best bits of advice I&= #39;ve gotten to rectify this was running in my barefeet (over-supination g= oes along with over-pronation, often, and you blister like hell if you over= -supinate), and correcting my cross-over gait.=A0 All the weak and too-loos= e bits have been aching ever since correcting the cross-over gait, which te= lls me they're now getting worked the way they ought to be getting work= ed.=A0 No negative effects, although it's a weird feeling to change you= r movement pattern (again!) after 30+ years...

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:33 PM, JZ <jozab...@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know for sure, but I think mobilizing the ankle joint coul= d help with that.=A0 The tendons and soft tissue around your ankle=A0could = be too tight in some spots, which might prevent your knee from traveling st= raight over your toes.=A0 I believe=A0my problem with my left foot was due,= in part, to under-pronation in that foot, so I've actually been trying= to have more pronation in that foot (but at the same time trying to avoid= =A0going=A0into overpronation. So I've been dealing with this=A0issue, = but coming at the problem from a somewhat different angle).=A0
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On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Tuck <tuckerg= @gmail.com> wrote:
Yes.=A0 But only with the left leg.=20


On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 2:08 PM, JZ <jozabara@= gmail.com> wrote:
I may have this wrong, but I envision overpronating as bei= ng when the knee comes in (medially) while you are collapsing through your = arch.=A0 Is that what's happening with you?=20


On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:59 PM, Tuck <tuckerg= @gmail.com> wrote:
"Although the guy is clearly old school in the fact that he's= in the over-pronation is bad camp..."
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I've been meaning to post about that.
=A0
Over-pronation IS bad, it certainly has been in my experience.=A0 (I h= ave one foot that over-pronates, and one that does not.=A0 Guess which leg = has all the problems?)
=A0
I'll also note=A0that the videos online showing Haile G over-prona= ting and observing that he had no knee issues probably need to be revised.<= /div>
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But the question then becomes, if I'm overpronating, what should I= do about it?
=A0
The answer is clearly not "buy motion-control shoes and orthotics= ", as those are ineffective at best.

On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:52 PM, Nick J <nic= k.je...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yep read that last night. =A0Although the guy is clearly o= ld school in the fact that he's in the over-pronation is bad camp, othe= rwise a great article with some interesting insight, some good exercises to= o.=20



On Thursday, 11 October 2012 17:14:23 UTC+2, JZ wrote:=20
and how to fix it...=20

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