After a run, If only one leg is sore consistently, how would one go
about telling if that was his weak leg being sore because it is too
weak or if it is his strong leg sore from overcompensating for the
weak leg?
After I run, my right p. longus is usually sore on the outside of my
calf right below my knee. When I use the foam roller (pretty
religiously now, that thing kicks ass), the p. longus on both sides is
really tight and painful with the foam roller, but it is getting
better each time. I know that p. longus controls the eversion of the
foot and when I walk my right foot everts a lot but my left just
hinges forward. Sometimes if I pay attention and try moving my knee in
a very straight line in front of me my right foot just hinges at the
ankle and doesn't evert (noticed when walking towards a glass door, or
a mirror).
My ITB is not tight at all, pretty much no pain when I foam roll there
but I have a lot of tender spots (myofascial knots I assume) in my
legs/hips in general. Foam rolling is getting easier and easier each
time, less and less painful so I imagine that means my "sticks are
becoming unglued". I can't find any tender spots in my upper body
except my shoulders and thats from baseball related rotator cuff
injuries.
Strength test. One legged squats, pistol squats, etc. are good ways to
look at strength symmetry.
That's probably the only true way to tell, but if I had to guess, it
would be that the strong side is hurting more from compensation, but
that is purely a guess, and I have a 50/50 shot of being right. :)
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:00 AM, Black Bear <jacobnort...@gmail.com> wrote:
> After a run, If only one leg is sore consistently, how would one go
> about telling if that was his weak leg being sore because it is too
> weak or if it is his strong leg sore from overcompensating for the
> weak leg?
> After I run, my right p. longus is usually sore on the outside of my
> calf right below my knee. When I use the foam roller (pretty
> religiously now, that thing kicks ass), the p. longus on both sides is
> really tight and painful with the foam roller, but it is getting
> better each time. I know that p. longus controls the eversion of the
> foot and when I walk my right foot everts a lot but my left just
> hinges forward. Sometimes if I pay attention and try moving my knee in
> a very straight line in front of me my right foot just hinges at the
> ankle and doesn't evert (noticed when walking towards a glass door, or
> a mirror).
> My ITB is not tight at all, pretty much no pain when I foam roll there
> but I have a lot of tender spots (myofascial knots I assume) in my
> legs/hips in general. Foam rolling is getting easier and easier each
> time, less and less painful so I imagine that means my "sticks are
> becoming unglued". I can't find any tender spots in my upper body
> except my shoulders and thats from baseball related rotator cuff
> injuries.
I'm in phase 1 of p90x2. There are a whole boatload of one legged
excersises (anything that you can do on two legs, tony horton makes
you do on one, bicep curls, squats, jumping, etc) and I've noticed my
inner thighs (adductors i think?) and gluteus medius getting insanely
sore, but I am pretty even on max reps on both sides. Its a really
awesome program, really big on stability and balance and core
strength, three things that are extremely important for running
correctly. Maybe I'm just weaker then I think and need to keep
strengthening.
Standing on one leg while doing another exercises is great, but it may
not reveal any asymmetry between your legs/calves. A static exercise
that you hold in a strenuous position will be closer to what your legs
go through during running, than just standing on one leg while trying
not to pass out (i.e. doing p90x ;).
Just to be clear, foot eversion is not desired right?
I'm guessing that you're body is just working out the kinks and you
are feeling it in your muscles. I would do some long term leg strength
tests and see how they come out. So, something like, one legged half
squat (barefoot) and try to hold it for at least 1 minute. Then the
other side and see if one tires/fatigues faster than the other.
If that is similar or the same, then try it again (one legged half
squat), but this time do it on your toes (i.e. no heel on the floor).
Disclaimer, I can barely do this at all, and it kills my calves and
ankles.
You don't actually mention which side is hurting, but is the more
painful side the one that you drive with? Also, do you drive a car
barefoot or with shoes? These questions of course, assume that you
drive a car regularly. :)
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Black Bear <jacobnort...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm in phase 1 of p90x2. There are a whole boatload of one legged
> excersises (anything that you can do on two legs, tony horton makes
> you do on one, bicep curls, squats, jumping, etc) and I've noticed my
> inner thighs (adductors i think?) and gluteus medius getting insanely
> sore, but I am pretty even on max reps on both sides. Its a really
> awesome program, really big on stability and balance and core
> strength, three things that are extremely important for running
> correctly. Maybe I'm just weaker then I think and need to keep
> strengthening.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 12:02 PM, Doug Sims <wdsim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> p90x. I don't envy you.
> Standing on one leg while doing another exercises is great, but it may
> not reveal any asymmetry between your legs/calves. A static exercise
> that you hold in a strenuous position will be closer to what your legs
> go through during running, than just standing on one leg while trying
> not to pass out (i.e. doing p90x ;).
> Just to be clear, foot eversion is not desired right?
> I'm guessing that you're body is just working out the kinks and you
> are feeling it in your muscles. I would do some long term leg strength
> tests and see how they come out. So, something like, one legged half
> squat (barefoot) and try to hold it for at least 1 minute. Then the
> other side and see if one tires/fatigues faster than the other.
> If that is similar or the same, then try it again (one legged half
> squat), but this time do it on your toes (i.e. no heel on the floor).
> Disclaimer, I can barely do this at all, and it kills my calves and
> ankles.
> You don't actually mention which side is hurting, but is the more
> painful side the one that you drive with? Also, do you drive a car
> barefoot or with shoes? These questions of course, assume that you
> drive a car regularly. :)
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Black Bear <jacobnort...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I'm in phase 1 of p90x2. There are a whole boatload of one legged
> > excersises (anything that you can do on two legs, tony horton makes
> > you do on one, bicep curls, squats, jumping, etc) and I've noticed my
> > inner thighs (adductors i think?) and gluteus medius getting insanely
> > sore, but I am pretty even on max reps on both sides. Its a really
> > awesome program, really big on stability and balance and core
> > strength, three things that are extremely important for running
> > correctly. Maybe I'm just weaker then I think and need to keep
> > strengthening.
The pain is on my right side and I do drive quite a lot (used to at
least) but what does that have to do with it? I never really thought
about this, although I do try and keep good posture while driving,
however difficult that is. Driving, as with most of my other
activities is done either barefoot or in my vibrams. Lucky enough to
not have to work at the moment so I can barefoot pretty much full
time.
P90X2 is a lot different then the original. There are 3 phases, and
the first phase is just a foundation phase, or a grounding phase as
they call it. My week looks like this: Core, Plyo, Balance & Power
(mostly lower body, a lot of squats and 1 legged bodyweight moves),
Recovery & Mobility, Yoga, Total Body (body weight stuff again mostly)
then Recovery and Mobility again. Its been quite pleasant actually. He
seems to have kept up with current trends and has included a lot of
mobility work and functional movement. I really like the core work
with the stability ball. I'm noticing serious improvements in my core
strength. Not once have I even felt sick or like I was going to pass
out. I think once It gets to phase 2, where its the more bodybuilding,
getting jacked stuff, I'll stop. I, like you, don't enjoy working out
until I puke. :) No thanks.
I am pretty sure rearfoot eversion is undesired. I know for me, when
walking, i notice that it causes my foot to twist very slightly on the
ground but not enough to cause a blister. Also, when my right foot
everts on the back phase of walking, it also feels like it disrupts my
knees natural movement, like its causing my knee to twist slightly
instead of just hinge back and forth.
I tried the half squats you mentioned and found it quite easy to go to
1 minute and past that only my quads started to tire. I was also
pretty easily able to hold the half squat up on my toes on my left
side but my right side was noticeably more difficult and my calves
didnt even get tired. Once again it was my quads that were tiring
first. My ankles felt fine as well.
Mal-adaptation. Holding a throttle pedal down uses some muscles. Using a
clutch all the time (I do, I don't know if you do) uses some other
muscles. Holding that throttle pedal down might be your longest stretch of
continuous exercise during the day. It is for me.
It's pretty unlikely that whatever adaptation your body has made to holding
down a throttle and maybe a clutch is going to be a useful adaptation for
running, and it just might be counter-productive.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Black Bear <jacobnort...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The pain is on my right side and I do drive quite a lot (used to at
> least) but what does that have to do with it? I never really thought
> about this, although I do try and keep good posture while driving,
> however difficult that is. Driving, as with most of my other
> activities is done either barefoot or in my vibrams. Lucky enough to
> not have to work at the moment so I can barefoot pretty much full
> time.
> P90X2 is a lot different then the original. There are 3 phases, and
> the first phase is just a foundation phase, or a grounding phase as
> they call it. My week looks like this: Core, Plyo, Balance & Power
> (mostly lower body, a lot of squats and 1 legged bodyweight moves),
> Recovery & Mobility, Yoga, Total Body (body weight stuff again mostly)
> then Recovery and Mobility again. Its been quite pleasant actually. He
> seems to have kept up with current trends and has included a lot of
> mobility work and functional movement. I really like the core work
> with the stability ball. I'm noticing serious improvements in my core
> strength. Not once have I even felt sick or like I was going to pass
> out. I think once It gets to phase 2, where its the more bodybuilding,
> getting jacked stuff, I'll stop. I, like you, don't enjoy working out
> until I puke. :) No thanks.
> I am pretty sure rearfoot eversion is undesired. I know for me, when
> walking, i notice that it causes my foot to twist very slightly on the
> ground but not enough to cause a blister. Also, when my right foot
> everts on the back phase of walking, it also feels like it disrupts my
> knees natural movement, like its causing my knee to twist slightly
> instead of just hinge back and forth.
> I tried the half squats you mentioned and found it quite easy to go to
> 1 minute and past that only my quads started to tire. I was also
> pretty easily able to hold the half squat up on my toes on my left
> side but my right side was noticeably more difficult and my calves
> didnt even get tired. Once again it was my quads that were tiring
> first. My ankles felt fine as well.
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "...but what does that have to do with it?"
> Mal-adaptation. Holding a throttle pedal down uses some muscles. Using a
> clutch all the time (I do, I don't know if you do) uses some other
> muscles. Holding that throttle pedal down might be your longest stretch of
> continuous exercise during the day. It is for me.
> It's pretty unlikely that whatever adaptation your body has made to holding
> down a throttle and maybe a clutch is going to be a useful adaptation for
> running, and it just might be counter-productive.
> On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 1:13 PM, Black Bear <jacobnort...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> The pain is on my right side and I do drive quite a lot (used to at
>> least) but what does that have to do with it? I never really thought
>> about this, although I do try and keep good posture while driving,
>> however difficult that is. Driving, as with most of my other
>> activities is done either barefoot or in my vibrams. Lucky enough to
>> not have to work at the moment so I can barefoot pretty much full
>> time.
>> P90X2 is a lot different then the original. There are 3 phases, and
>> the first phase is just a foundation phase, or a grounding phase as
>> they call it. My week looks like this: Core, Plyo, Balance & Power
>> (mostly lower body, a lot of squats and 1 legged bodyweight moves),
>> Recovery & Mobility, Yoga, Total Body (body weight stuff again mostly)
>> then Recovery and Mobility again. Its been quite pleasant actually. He
>> seems to have kept up with current trends and has included a lot of
>> mobility work and functional movement. I really like the core work
>> with the stability ball. I'm noticing serious improvements in my core
>> strength. Not once have I even felt sick or like I was going to pass
>> out. I think once It gets to phase 2, where its the more bodybuilding,
>> getting jacked stuff, I'll stop. I, like you, don't enjoy working out
>> until I puke. :) No thanks.
>> I am pretty sure rearfoot eversion is undesired. I know for me, when
>> walking, i notice that it causes my foot to twist very slightly on the
>> ground but not enough to cause a blister. Also, when my right foot
>> everts on the back phase of walking, it also feels like it disrupts my
>> knees natural movement, like its causing my knee to twist slightly
>> instead of just hinge back and forth.
>> I tried the half squats you mentioned and found it quite easy to go to
>> 1 minute and past that only my quads started to tire. I was also
>> pretty easily able to hold the half squat up on my toes on my left
>> side but my right side was noticeably more difficult and my calves
>> didnt even get tired. Once again it was my quads that were tiring
>> first. My ankles felt fine as well.
Try the one-legged standing and hopping after a run when your right leg is sore. Try to figure out what feels asymmetric and unnecessarily more effortful. Also stand neutral and relax your core and upper body in front of a mirror with your eyes closed. Open your eyes and look at where your shoulders are, look to see if you are twisted ? Core stability is not about brute strength. Those things you've worked on won't carry you for hours.
On Friday, April 27, 2012 10:00:27 AM UTC-5, Black Bear wrote:
> After I run, my right p. longus is usually sore on the outside of my > calf right below my knee. When I use the foam roller (pretty > religiously now, that thing kicks ass), the p. longus on both sides is > really tight and painful with the foam roller, but it is getting > better each time. I know that p. longus controls the eversion of the > foot and when I walk my right foot everts a lot but my left just > hinges forward. Sometimes if I pay attention and try moving my knee in > a very straight line in front of me my right foot just hinges at the > ankle and doesn't evert (noticed when walking towards a glass door, or > a mirror).
I was feeling really good and went for a 10 mile trail run today and I
think I figured some things out. I concentrated on bringing my knees
straight forward but did so by making sure my foot rolled over my big
toe instead of everted. Another cue I was using was "heel flick" but a
passive one. Its really the same thing as rolling my foot straight
forward over my big toe which raises the heel anyway. The big toe on
my right foot seems a little less flexible then the other one and I
think maybe that was causing me to evert my foot. I also tried
something rather new to me. I tried to sense my entire body, to feel
the entire thing at once, without thinking about it. Just feeling,
almost like a mindfulness meditation and I found myself relaxing
automatically, my core activating just the way it should, my feet
landing just as they should, all while maintaining a clear mind. It
was awesome. I want all my running to feel like that :)
On Thu, May 3, 2012 at 2:02 PM, Black Bear <jacobnort...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I was feeling really good and went for a 10 mile trail run today and I
> think I figured some things out. I concentrated on bringing my knees
> straight forward but did so by making sure my foot rolled over my big
> toe instead of everted. Another cue I was using was "heel flick" but a
> passive one. Its really the same thing as rolling my foot straight
> forward over my big toe which raises the heel anyway. The big toe on
> my right foot seems a little less flexible then the other one and I
> think maybe that was causing me to evert my foot. I also tried
> something rather new to me. I tried to sense my entire body, to feel
> the entire thing at once, without thinking about it. Just feeling,
> almost like a mindfulness meditation and I found myself relaxing
> automatically, my core activating just the way it should, my feet
> landing just as they should, all while maintaining a clear mind. It
> was awesome. I want all my running to feel like that :)
On 3 May 2012 19:02, Black Bear <jacobnort...@gmail.com> wrote:
> ... almost like a mindfulness meditation and I found myself relaxing
> automatically, my core activating just the way it should, my feet
> landing just as they should, all while maintaining a clear mind. It
> was awesome. I want all my running to feel like that :)
Welcome to my world.
I've found that one of the things that messes with aspiring to run
like this, is having time weighing over you in some way. If I need to
complete the run, or have any way of calculating pace I find myself
running faster, which doesn't help with the mindful relaxed run.
You'll get (have already seen) different answers to this question depending on the person answering and their particular set of disabilities. For me, it's the strong side that ends up with all the problems due to compensation patterns developed over 20+ years. I'm still struggling with my compensation gait problems after 2+ years. Others have struggled much longer. It's all a process. Welcome to the grand experiment!
On Friday, April 27, 2012 11:00:27 AM UTC-4, Black Bear wrote:
> After a run, If only one leg is sore consistently, how would one go > about telling if that was his weak leg being sore because it is too > weak or if it is his strong leg sore from overcompensating for the > weak leg?
> After I run, my right p. longus is usually sore on the outside of my > calf right below my knee. When I use the foam roller (pretty > religiously now, that thing kicks ass), the p. longus on both sides is > really tight and painful with the foam roller, but it is getting > better each time. I know that p. longus controls the eversion of the > foot and when I walk my right foot everts a lot but my left just > hinges forward. Sometimes if I pay attention and try moving my knee in > a very straight line in front of me my right foot just hinges at the > ankle and doesn't evert (noticed when walking towards a glass door, or > a mirror).
> My ITB is not tight at all, pretty much no pain when I foam roll there > but I have a lot of tender spots (myofascial knots I assume) in my > legs/hips in general. Foam rolling is getting easier and easier each > time, less and less painful so I imagine that means my "sticks are > becoming unglued". I can't find any tender spots in my upper body > except my shoulders and thats from baseball related rotator cuff > injuries.
What does pain in the back of the leg where the calf meets the
hamstring mean? Is that usually a certain thing? I went for a hike
today and had a few short bursts of running easy and behind my knee
(thats a little bit misleading, it is NOT knee pain, its back of leg
pain) started aching, just a dull ache though. My P. Longus feels
perfect though, so the pain moved I think.
Pain moving is a sign of progress. Worry about it if it reoccurs more
that 1 or 2 times...
On 5/4/12, Black Bear <jacobnort...@gmail.com> wrote:
> What does pain in the back of the leg where the calf meets the
> hamstring mean? Is that usually a certain thing? I went for a hike
> today and had a few short bursts of running easy and behind my knee
> (thats a little bit misleading, it is NOT knee pain, its back of leg
> pain) started aching, just a dull ache though. My P. Longus feels
> perfect though, so the pain moved I think.
I know I'm coming in late on this discussion but I can tell you from a clinical point of view that centralisation of pain is typically a good sign, while peripheralisation of pain is typically a sign of deterioration.
In terms of the "strong side / weak side" discussion, a lot of people misunderstand which is their weak side and which is there strong side. If you are right footed, for example, then your strong side is your left leg - as it's the leg you prefer to stand on. Your right leg is simply more coordinated so better for kicking things!!
Research done in the English Premier League on soccer players shows that more injuries occur in their "dominant" leg (ie the one they kick with)... yet, the kind of injuries we are talking about are not usually caused by the kicking motion itself, but by running and turning etc - in other words when the leg is under load (in the closed chain).
Thinking outside the box a little, it may be worth looking at whether you have a weight* shift (ie more weight bearing through one side in standing) as this is very common in the general population and will mean that you will load one leg more during running than the other (irrespective of which is stronger). A weight shift can be caused by many factors - but typically it is controlled neurologically through your balance reflexes and so the first place to look would be at your neck (upper especially) and then at your special senses.
*This is easily assessed with two sets of scales (many osteo's, chiro's, CHEK Practitioners and so on, will have this equipment in their offices, and will be able to guide you if there is a problem)
Anyone who has had head trauma, concussion, or whiplash is at quite a strong risk of exhibiting this weight shift which could explain your frustrating symptom profile.
On Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:01:49 UTC+1, Black Bear wrote:
> What does pain in the back of the leg where the calf meets the > hamstring mean? Is that usually a certain thing? I went for a hike > today and had a few short bursts of running easy and behind my knee > (thats a little bit misleading, it is NOT knee pain, its back of leg > pain) started aching, just a dull ache though. My P. Longus feels > perfect though, so the pain moved I think.
> *This is easily assessed with two sets of scales (many osteo's, chiro's,
> CHEK Practitioners and so on, will have this equipment in their offices, and
> will be able to guide you if there is a problem)
Is the Wii Fit balance board accurate enough for this purpose?
<deniseskidm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> *This is easily assessed with two sets of scales (many osteo's, chiro's,
>> CHEK Practitioners and so on, will have this equipment in their offices, and
>> will be able to guide you if there is a problem)
> Is the Wii Fit balance board accurate enough for this purpose?
" centralisation of pain is typically a good sign, while peripheralisation
of pain is typically a sign of deterioration."
Interesting comment. I just want to make sure I understand, so, for
example: foot = periphery, and hip = more central? And, does this refer to
the *movement* of pain from periphery to center, (or vice versa)?
On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Primal Matt <mattwall...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Jacob,
> I know I'm coming in late on this discussion but I can tell you from a
> clinical point of view that centralisation of pain is typically a good
> sign, while peripheralisation of pain is typically a sign of deterioration.
> In terms of the "strong side / weak side" discussion, a lot of people
> misunderstand which is their weak side and which is there strong side. If
> you are right footed, for example, then your strong side is your left leg -
> as it's the leg you prefer to stand on. Your right leg is simply more
> coordinated so better for kicking things!!
> Research done in the English Premier League on soccer players shows that
> more injuries occur in their "dominant" leg (ie the one they kick with)...
> yet, the kind of injuries we are talking about are not usually caused by
> the kicking motion itself, but by running and turning etc - in other words
> when the leg is under load (in the closed chain).
> Thinking outside the box a little, it may be worth looking at whether you
> have a weight* shift (ie more weight bearing through one side in standing)
> as this is very common in the general population and will mean that you
> will load one leg more during running than the other (irrespective of which
> is stronger). A weight shift can be caused by many factors - but typically
> it is controlled neurologically through your balance reflexes and so the
> first place to look would be at your neck (upper especially) and then at
> your special senses.
> *This is easily assessed with two sets of scales (many osteo's, chiro's,
> CHEK Practitioners and so on, will have this equipment in their offices,
> and will be able to guide you if there is a problem)
> Anyone who has had head trauma, concussion, or whiplash is at quite a
> strong risk of exhibiting this weight shift which could explain your
> frustrating symptom profile.
> I hope that's of some use.
> All the best,
> Matt
> On Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:01:49 UTC+1, Black Bear wrote:
>> What does pain in the back of the leg where the calf meets the
>> hamstring mean? Is that usually a certain thing? I went for a hike
>> today and had a few short bursts of running easy and behind my knee
>> (thats a little bit misleading, it is NOT knee pain, its back of leg
>> pain) started aching, just a dull ache though. My P. Longus feels
>> perfect though, so the pain moved I think.
What you need is a) someone else to look at the result for you (if you can see the scales or the TV screen in this instance, it is impossible not to self-adjust) and, b) to be able to see the amount of shift in lbs or kgs. Anything greater than 5lbs (or 2.5kgs) is considered clinically significant.
There is a 98% correlation between weight shift of >5lbs and an malpositioning of the atlas (or C1) - the top bone in the neck... hence the recommendation to see an osteo / chiro / CHEK trained practitioner.
On Saturday, 5 May 2012 18:11:20 UTC+1, Denise Skidmore wrote:
> > *This is easily assessed with two sets of scales (many osteo's, chiro's, > > CHEK Practitioners and so on, will have this equipment in their offices, > and > > will be able to guide you if there is a problem)
> Is the Wii Fit balance board accurate enough for this purpose?
Hi JZ, yes, you are correct. Symptoms moving "up the leg" or "up the arm" is preferable to them going in the other direction. It really refers to pain or other symptoms (such as tingling / numbness / dysaesthesia... which is a kind of "dead-leg" feeling).
It's not a bullet-proof rule, but it's a good general rule. There are always exceptions.
> " centralisation of pain is typically a good sign, while peripheralisation > of pain is typically a sign of deterioration."
> Interesting comment. I just want to make sure I understand, so, for > example: foot = periphery, and hip = more central? And, does this refer to > the *movement* of pain from periphery to center, (or vice versa)?
> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Primal Matt <mattwall...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Jacob,
>> I know I'm coming in late on this discussion but I can tell you from a >> clinical point of view that centralisation of pain is typically a good >> sign, while peripheralisation of pain is typically a sign of deterioration.
>> In terms of the "strong side / weak side" discussion, a lot of people >> misunderstand which is their weak side and which is there strong side. If >> you are right footed, for example, then your strong side is your left leg - >> as it's the leg you prefer to stand on. Your right leg is simply more >> coordinated so better for kicking things!!
>> Research done in the English Premier League on soccer players shows that >> more injuries occur in their "dominant" leg (ie the one they kick with)... >> yet, the kind of injuries we are talking about are not usually caused by >> the kicking motion itself, but by running and turning etc - in other words >> when the leg is under load (in the closed chain).
>> Thinking outside the box a little, it may be worth looking at whether you >> have a weight* shift (ie more weight bearing through one side in standing) >> as this is very common in the general population and will mean that you >> will load one leg more during running than the other (irrespective of which >> is stronger). A weight shift can be caused by many factors - but typically >> it is controlled neurologically through your balance reflexes and so the >> first place to look would be at your neck (upper especially) and then at >> your special senses.
>> *This is easily assessed with two sets of scales (many osteo's, chiro's, >> CHEK Practitioners and so on, will have this equipment in their offices, >> and will be able to guide you if there is a problem)
>> Anyone who has had head trauma, concussion, or whiplash is at quite a >> strong risk of exhibiting this weight shift which could explain your >> frustrating symptom profile.
>> I hope that's of some use.
>> All the best,
>> Matt
>> On Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:01:49 UTC+1, Black Bear wrote:
>>> What does pain in the back of the leg where the calf meets the >>> hamstring mean? Is that usually a certain thing? I went for a hike >>> today and had a few short bursts of running easy and behind my knee >>> (thats a little bit misleading, it is NOT knee pain, its back of leg >>> pain) started aching, just a dull ache though. My P. Longus feels >>> perfect though, so the pain moved I think.
> Hi JZ, yes, you are correct. Symptoms moving "up the leg" or "up the arm"
> is preferable to them going in the other direction. It really refers to
> pain or other symptoms (such as tingling / numbness / dysaesthesia... which
> is a kind of "dead-leg" feeling).
> It's not a bullet-proof rule, but it's a good general rule. There are
> always exceptions.
> All the best,
> Matt
> On Saturday, 5 May 2012 18:34:08 UTC+1, JZ wrote:
>> " centralisation of pain is typically a good sign, while peripheralisation
>> of pain is typically a sign of deterioration."
>> Interesting comment. I just want to make sure I understand, so, for
>> example: foot = periphery, and hip = more central? And, does this refer
>> to
>> the *movement* of pain from periphery to center, (or vice versa)?
>> On Sat, May 5, 2012 at 6:53 AM, Primal Matt <mattwall...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi Jacob,
>>> I know I'm coming in late on this discussion but I can tell you from a
>>> clinical point of view that centralisation of pain is typically a good
>>> sign, while peripheralisation of pain is typically a sign of
>>> deterioration.
>>> In terms of the "strong side / weak side" discussion, a lot of people
>>> misunderstand which is their weak side and which is there strong side.
>>> If
>>> you are right footed, for example, then your strong side is your left leg
>>> -
>>> as it's the leg you prefer to stand on. Your right leg is simply more
>>> coordinated so better for kicking things!!
>>> Research done in the English Premier League on soccer players shows that
>>> more injuries occur in their "dominant" leg (ie the one they kick
>>> with)...
>>> yet, the kind of injuries we are talking about are not usually caused by
>>> the kicking motion itself, but by running and turning etc - in other
>>> words
>>> when the leg is under load (in the closed chain).
>>> Thinking outside the box a little, it may be worth looking at whether you
>>> have a weight* shift (ie more weight bearing through one side in
>>> standing)
>>> as this is very common in the general population and will mean that you
>>> will load one leg more during running than the other (irrespective of
>>> which
>>> is stronger). A weight shift can be caused by many factors - but
>>> typically
>>> it is controlled neurologically through your balance reflexes and so the
>>> first place to look would be at your neck (upper especially) and then at
>>> your special senses.
>>> *This is easily assessed with two sets of scales (many osteo's, chiro's,
>>> CHEK Practitioners and so on, will have this equipment in their offices,
>>> and will be able to guide you if there is a problem)
>>> Anyone who has had head trauma, concussion, or whiplash is at quite a
>>> strong risk of exhibiting this weight shift which could explain your
>>> frustrating symptom profile.
>>> I hope that's of some use.
>>> All the best,
>>> Matt
>>> On Saturday, 5 May 2012 01:01:49 UTC+1, Black Bear wrote:
>>>> What does pain in the back of the leg where the calf meets the
>>>> hamstring mean? Is that usually a certain thing? I went for a hike
>>>> today and had a few short bursts of running easy and behind my knee
>>>> (thats a little bit misleading, it is NOT knee pain, its back of leg
>>>> pain) started aching, just a dull ache though. My P. Longus feels
>>>> perfect though, so the pain moved I think.
I went for an easy 5 miler in the woods today. I experienced no pain
during the run and felt fresh and smooth the entire time. Before I
left I was playing around with trying to get my leg to hurt and I
noticed something strange. When my leg is fully loaded and weight
bearing there isn't any pain but when I lift the leg and shift the
weight to the other one, I feel pain as soon as the muscle stops
activating. That moment when the leg goes from bearing the last bit of
weight to bearing no weight is when I feel a sharp pain for a second.
My question is what would cause pain when going from weight bearing to
non weight bearing but not while the leg is fully "activated" for a
lack of a better word. That seems like the opposite of what should be
to me but perhaps you guys know more then I do.
> I went for an easy 5 miler in the woods today. I experienced no pain
> during the run and felt fresh and smooth the entire time. Before I
> left I was playing around with trying to get my leg to hurt and I
> noticed something strange. When my leg is fully loaded and weight
> bearing there isn't any pain but when I lift the leg and shift the
> weight to the other one, I feel pain as soon as the muscle stops
> activating. That moment when the leg goes from bearing the last bit of
> weight to bearing no weight is when I feel a sharp pain for a second.
> My question is what would cause pain when going from weight bearing to
> non weight bearing but not while the leg is fully "activated" for a
> lack of a better word. That seems like the opposite of what should be
> to me but perhaps you guys know more then I do.
