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wilberfan  
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 12:45:48 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

I enjoyed reading this today:

http://robbwolf.com/2012/10/24/shades-paleo/


 
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125120] OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

I think I have been through 1-5.

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> I enjoyed reading this today:

> http://robbwolf.com/2012/10/24/shades-paleo/

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Subject: Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

That's pretty good.  I'm a level 8.  I eat all kinds of processed foods but
still describe myself as "paleo"


 
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 16:21:22 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125120] OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"
I'm a 3-5.  Yes to dairy, no to carbs, but I allow myself at least one
cheat meal a week.


 
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125127] OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

I'm 4.  Note, Coffeemate is not dairy.

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> I'm a 3-5.  Yes to dairy, no to carbs, but I allow myself at least one
> cheat meal a week.

> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:45 PM, wilberfan <wilber...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I enjoyed reading this today:

> > http://robbwolf.com/2012/10/24/shades-paleo/

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From: gordo <gaj...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

I'm a 4. Dairy rules. But he missed a couple of options. The dairy/no
dairy, carb/no carb universe has 4 quadrants. ;)

Gordo


 
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From: Denise Skidmore <deniseskidm...@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 18:21:00 -0400
Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125135] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

Yeah, and nightshade/no nightshade is another dimension.

That's why I claimed 3 levels.

This is a problem worthy of a Venn
Construction<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venn_diagram#Extensions_to_higher_number...>
.

[image: Inline image 1]


 
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From: gordo <gaj...@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125135] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

LOL That's more like it.

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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 19:45:33 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125136] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

On Oct 24, 2012, at 6:21 PM, Denise Skidmore <deniseskidm...@gmail.com> wrote:

> This is a problem worthy of a Venn Construction.

LOL

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Subject: Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

I guess that makes me a level 9. I eat like a level 8 but only like to read
about paleo.


 
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 06:26:32 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

I would say I'm a WTF Paleo at the moment, thanks to my father visiting and the visits to the French Cafe for lattes and Gluten Free Cream Puffs.  Lol. Planning to dial down my diet soon though as per the book "It Starts With Food" (thanks, Sean Butler) .

I make these fantastic Sweet Potato gluten free pitas in bulk that I freeze and reheat & eat with this yummy raw pastured cream cheese, or as a side to some meals.  Man that's going to be hard to give up.  Plus I don't know how I'm going to give up dark chocolate, black tea with stevia, the occasional largely egg-based German Pancake (only a bit of Gluten Free flour in it) with maple syrup, and the raw honey in my yogurt.  I'm a sugar junkie, and these are my very last holdouts.  :-(

Katie


 
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Subject: Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:26:32 AM UTC-6, KatieK wrote:

> I make these fantastic Sweet Potato gluten free pitas in bulk that I
> freeze and reheat & eat with this yummy raw pastured cream cheese, or as a
> side to some meals.

Recipe, please. My wife is a WTF paleo, too. She makes some killer GF
pancakes. I eat them a couple of times per month. She pines for the
convenience of bread for making sandwiches. Are the pitas sturdy enough?

>  Man that's going to be hard to give up.  Plus I don't know how I'm going
> to give up dark chocolate, black tea with stevia, the occasional largely
> egg-based German Pancake

Why would you give them up? Other than the stevia. ;) I use honey if I want
some sweetness. But 12oz lasts for 6 months ...

Lose the grains, vegetable oils, and concentrated sugars, and you're close
enough IMO unless you've got other health issues. I mean, unless you have a
need to call yourself "paleo" and be more paleo than thou with the other
paleo folks you run across. LOL

Gordo


 
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 15:48:38 +0200
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125172] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

I'm 80/20 paleo.
I like bread, but I'm not going to eat almond meal, gluten free bread
sweetened with agave nectar or something.  Once a month or so I'll buy
proper artisan bread and enjoy it.  With lots of butter and some of my
mother's homemade preserves.
I also like beer.  Same thing - once a month or so, artisan micro-brewed,
unfiltered, unpasteurised.
And I'll eat cake when someone in the office has a birthday and brings
some.  I'm pretty sure it's against the law to refuse free cake.


 
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125172] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

I'm glad that I never really liked cake. Makes it easy to refuse. ;)

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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 10:45:55 -0400
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125171] OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"
On Oct 25, 2012, at 9:26 AM, KatieK <archiviatexti...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I would say I'm a WTF Paleo at the moment, thanks to my father visiting and the visits to the French Cafe for lattes and Gluten Free Cream Puffs.  Lol. Planning to dial down my diet soon though as per the book "It Starts With Food" (thanks, Sean Butler) .

> I make these fantastic Sweet Potato gluten free pitas in bulk that I freeze and reheat & eat with this yummy raw pastured cream cheese, or as a side to some meals.  Man that's going to be hard to give up.  Plus I don't know how I'm going to give up dark chocolate, black tea with stevia, the occasional largely egg-based German Pancake (only a bit of Gluten Free flour in it) with maple syrup, and the raw honey in my yogurt.  I'm a sugar junkie, and these are my very last holdouts.  :-(

Most of that looks ok after the first Whole30, where they want you to have no added sugar for 30 days… (Though without an ingredient list it's not possible to say with confidence.)

Any idea how many grams per day you are having now?  You may be in for a crash the first few days!

I use a bit of honey here and there…  In tea or in homemade yogurt.  But that would typically be 1/2 - 1 tsp at a shot, so 5-6g's, and that is not every day.  Every now and then I might have 2 or 3 such teas...

/Sean


 
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 07:53:49 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Oct 25 2012 10:53 am
Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125172] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

I came across this site with a great image of a healthy intestine and a
celiac intestine I mean I cannot help thinking that this plays a huge role in
our aging process....poorer and poorer absorption of nutrients leading
to malfunction of organs and muscles...leading to less energy...leading to less
exercise leading to more atrophy...    
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=biopsy+intestines+celiac+disease&um=1&...             

carl
who will remain wheat less but will have his newpotatoes (much smaller and more
skin per potato and supposedly less starchy than regular ones) now and then from
now on...just what the Scandinavian people eat..dark chocolate sure...raw cheese
I like...

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To: huaraches@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, October 25, 2012 9:49:14 AM
Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125172] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of
Paleo"

I'm 80/20 paleo.
I like bread, but I'm not going to eat almond meal, gluten free bread sweetened
with agave nectar or something.  Once a month or so I'll buy proper artisan
bread and enjoy it.  With lots of butter and some of my mother's homemade
preserves.
I also like beer.  Same thing - once a month or so, artisan micro-brewed,
unfiltered, unpasteurised.
And I'll eat cake when someone in the office has a birthday and brings some.
 I'm pretty sure it's against the law to refuse free cake.

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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 13:04:40 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125172] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

hey gordo, how does gluten free flour work, and does white bread, or flour, have less gluten than whole wheat bread or flour......if it does, it is a lot less...i seem to have very little reaction to a small amount of white flour, but a much bigger reaction to the same if it is whole wheat...is this in my head, or is it real....thanks, el jefe


 
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 11:19:41 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125172] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

Gluten is highest in bread flour.  Less processing, less gluten. Whole
wheat < unbleached < bleached flour.   Whole wheat has more stuff so the
relative amount of gluten is lower than in white flour.  You may be
reacting something else in whole wheat bread.


 
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 12:21:04 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125191] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

if I am not mistaken in PHD they talk about blood clotting properties in whole
wheat (I believe the hull has toxins)...just like brown rice with arsenic..more
in brown than white or that's what I heard on the news (can't always trust them
can we:-)

carl
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  I    II
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          OH

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Sent: Thu, October 25, 2012 2:19:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125191] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of
Paleo"

Gluten is highest in bread flour.  Less processing, less gluten. Whole wheat <
unbleached < bleached flour.   Whole wheat has more stuff so the relative amount
of gluten is lower than in white flour.  You may be reacting something else in
whole wheat bread.

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 12:04:54 PM UTC-6, el jefe wrote:

hey gordo, how does gluten free flour work, and does white bread, or flour, have
less gluten than whole wheat bread or flour......if it does, it is a lot
less...i seem to have very little reaction to a small amount of white flour, but
a much bigger reaction to the same if it is whole wheat...is this in my head, or
is it real....thanks, el jefe

Why would you give them up? Other than the stevia. ;) I use honey if I want some
sweetness. But 12oz lasts for 6 months ...

Lose the grains, vegetable oils, and concentrated sugars, and you're close
enough IMO unless you've got other health issues. I mean, unless you have a need
to call yourself "paleo" and be more paleo than thou with the other paleo folks
you run across. LOL

Gordo
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125196] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

thats the question i am asking.....is there more bad stuff in whole wheat or white......forget about the good stuff.....i realize there may be more nutrition in whole wheat, but does it have a raised level of the bad stuff too......


 
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125199] Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

http://www.westonaprice.org/food-features/living-with-phytic-acid

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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:31:31 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"
"She pines for the

> convenience of bread for making sandwiches. Are the pitas sturdy enough?" http://freetheanimal.com/2012/07/fat-bread-third-times-the-charm-miss... have you seen this? have you heard about this?

On Oct 25, 6:36 am, gordo <gaj...@gmail.com> wrote:


 
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Subject: Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

No, I haven't. Thanks. I'll point her a it.

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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 22:43:08 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

On Thursday, October 25, 2012 7:26:32 AM UTC-6, KatieK wrote:

I make these fantastic Sweet Potato gluten free pitas in bulk that I freeze and reheat & eat with this yummy raw pastured cream cheese, or as a side to some meals.

Recipe, please. My wife is a WTF paleo, too. She makes some killer GF pancakes. I eat them a couple of times per month. She pines for the convenience of bread for making sandwiches. Are the pitas sturdy enough?
 
 Man that's going to be hard to give up.  Plus I don't know how I'm going to give up dark chocolate, black tea with stevia, the occasional largely egg-based German Pancake

 
Why would you give them up? Other than the stevia. ;) I use honey if I want some sweetness. But 12oz lasts for 6 months ...

Lose the grains, vegetable oils, and concentrated sugars, and you're close enough IMO unless you've got other health issues. I mean, unless you have a need to call yourself "paleo" and be more paleo than thou with the other paleo folks you run across. LOL

Gordo

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Gordo, I want to be healthier & age well, temper some new hormonal issues (some success so far w/ the Fermented Cod Liver Oil/High Vitamin Butter Oil Blend) and lose the excess weight, besides.  I already have a gluten free diet for years by default because I am Celiac (undiagnosed).  I never really eat many legumes to begin with.  Mostly what I eat is organic pastured meat, fish, eggs & veggies, strained raw yogurt, and now, some raw cream cheese or sour cream.  Don't seem to tolerate much cheese or milk anyway so they are out as soon as I finish up what I have.  I've started making a lot of chicken soup from the whole chicken & bone broths.  I've cut out the grains already, for the most part, except for the flours that go into the pita and pancake making.

My problem area is sweets.  I'm a bit of a junkie.  The chocolate can end up being a bar a day on an indulgent day, for instance, and that is tempered from the deserts and sweets I used to indulge in.  Though I've noticed when my diet is more on the side of Paleo, the sweet cravings are way less.  I am sort of the opinion that sweetners are bad no matter what kind they are, and "It Starts With Food" confirms my belief.  Problem is I drink a lot of tea and it's better sweetened.  I guess I'll switch to herbal tea but that's a heartbreaker for me since I've been a tea drinker since I was a kid and it's so soothing.

Here's the sweet potato pita recipe:  http://milkforthemorningcake.blogspot.com/2008/02/sweet-potato-pitta-....  They are delicious, definitely substantial enough for a sandwich and puff up to make a pocket inside.  And they end up orange.  Kinda neat.

In case you are curious, this is the German Pancake, which really IS mostly egg:  http://glutenfreefun.blogspot.com/2011/02/recipe-of-week-german-panca...

Katie


 
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Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 23:03:22 -0700 (PDT)
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Subject: Re: [Minimalist Runner:125171] OT: Robb Wolf's "Seven Shades of Paleo"

"Most of that looks ok after the first Whole30, where they want you to have no added sugar for 30 days… (Though without an ingredient list it's not possible to say with confidence.)

Any idea how many grams per day you are having now?  You may be in for a crash the first few days!

I use a bit of honey here and there…  In tea or in homemade yogurt.  But that would typically be 1/2 - 1 tsp at a shot, so 5-6g's, and that is not every day.  Every now and then I might have 2 or 3 such teas... "

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Sean, I somewhat outlined my diet in my post to Gordo, but I've gotten the sweet monkey on my back again with my father visiting this week.  Going to go back to what it was before, before I try the Whole 30, so I don't go into shock :-D

Typically what I'd been having sweet-wise before he came to visit is several cups of black tea per day with about 7 drops of stevia per cup, strained raw yogurt in the morning with a heaping tsp of raw honey mixed in and some kind of fruit (usually berries), and a half bar of dark chocolate which I have refined down to a Mast Brothers bar with no Soy Lecithin or other crap added to it.  And the 1/2 pancake with lots of maple syrup on Saturdays.  But that is me being very, very good.  If I can do the Whole 30 I'd be very proud of myself.

Katie


 
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