> On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:44 PM, BareFoot_FatBoy wrote:
>> Devan Bennett,
>> I went to a saddlemaker/bootmaker and had a custom holster made of
>> thin leather. It's slides onto an old military web belt from my dad's
>> military days. It closely hugs my body, horizontally, to the left of
>> my belly button, with the handle pointing towards my right hand. The
>> closure is a simple flap with a good, large snap. Retrieving it is as
>> simple as dragging my hand across the snap to undo it and then
>> grabbing the pistol.
>> I had considered my 1911A1 .45 but as you might guess, it is too bulky
>> and heavy with which to run. The Colt .32 is perfect; small enough to
>> carry easily but with a large enough caliber to damage anything I
>> hit. (Although a really large dog would probably need another round
>> or two.)
>> Any kind of belt would work as long as it has some width to it. A
>> skinny belt allows the pistol to bobble about and beat the hell out of
>> your belly. This web belt is almost as wide as the pistol so it sits
>> without moving around.
>> I'd send you a picture of the rig but I keep it at my folk's house,
>> 300 miles away.
>> BFFB
>> On Apr 28, 7:33 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> BFFB, I run with my pistol, too, but haven't found a great way to make it
>>> work. Right now, I carry in the camelbak, but the draw speed is
>>> atrocious.
>>> How do you carry your .32 while you're running?
Texan? Texan?! Look, while Texas may have us beat on sheer land area,
there's no place in the entire COUNTRY with an ego as large as my dear old
California! And I'll thank you not to forget it!
(Although, isn't it great that all sorts of people are nuts enough to run
barefoot? Even Texans!)
On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Vegans on the one hand, Texans on the other. It's a riot.
> On 4/28/10, Sean Butler <s...@2sparrows.org> wrote:
> > This list is killing me.... :-)
> > On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:44 PM, BareFoot_FatBoy wrote:
> >> Devan Bennett,
> >> I went to a saddlemaker/bootmaker and had a custom holster made of
> >> thin leather. It's slides onto an old military web belt from my dad's
> >> military days. It closely hugs my body, horizontally, to the left of
> >> my belly button, with the handle pointing towards my right hand. The
> >> closure is a simple flap with a good, large snap. Retrieving it is as
> >> simple as dragging my hand across the snap to undo it and then
> >> grabbing the pistol.
> >> I had considered my 1911A1 .45 but as you might guess, it is too bulky
> >> and heavy with which to run. The Colt .32 is perfect; small enough to
> >> carry easily but with a large enough caliber to damage anything I
> >> hit. (Although a really large dog would probably need another round
> >> or two.)
> >> Any kind of belt would work as long as it has some width to it. A
> >> skinny belt allows the pistol to bobble about and beat the hell out of
> >> your belly. This web belt is almost as wide as the pistol so it sits
> >> without moving around.
> >> I'd send you a picture of the rig but I keep it at my folk's house,
> >> 300 miles away.
> >> BFFB
> >> On Apr 28, 7:33 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> BFFB, I run with my pistol, too, but haven't found a great way to make
> it
> >>> work. Right now, I carry in the camelbak, but the draw speed is
> >>> atrocious.
> >>> How do you carry your .32 while you're running?
> Texan? Texan?! Look, while Texas may have us beat on sheer land area,
> there's no place in the entire COUNTRY with an ego as large as my dear old
> California! And I'll thank you not to forget it!
> (Although, isn't it great that all sorts of people are nuts enough to run
> barefoot? Even Texans!)
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Vegans on the one hand, Texans on the other. It's a riot.
>> On 4/28/10, Sean Butler <s...@2sparrows.org> wrote:
>> > This list is killing me.... :-)
>> > On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:44 PM, BareFoot_FatBoy wrote:
>> >> Devan Bennett,
>> >> I went to a saddlemaker/bootmaker and had a custom holster made of
>> >> thin leather. It's slides onto an old military web belt from my dad's
>> >> military days. It closely hugs my body, horizontally, to the left of
>> >> my belly button, with the handle pointing towards my right hand. The
>> >> closure is a simple flap with a good, large snap. Retrieving it is as
>> >> simple as dragging my hand across the snap to undo it and then
>> >> grabbing the pistol.
>> >> I had considered my 1911A1 .45 but as you might guess, it is too bulky
>> >> and heavy with which to run. The Colt .32 is perfect; small enough to
>> >> carry easily but with a large enough caliber to damage anything I
>> >> hit. (Although a really large dog would probably need another round
>> >> or two.)
>> >> Any kind of belt would work as long as it has some width to it. A
>> >> skinny belt allows the pistol to bobble about and beat the hell out of
>> >> your belly. This web belt is almost as wide as the pistol so it sits
>> >> without moving around.
>> >> I'd send you a picture of the rig but I keep it at my folk's house,
>> >> 300 miles away.
>> >> BFFB
>> >> On Apr 28, 7:33 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> BFFB, I run with my pistol, too, but haven't found a great way to make
>> it
>> >>> work. Right now, I carry in the camelbak, but the draw speed is
>> >>> atrocious.
>> >>> How do you carry your .32 while you're running?
Shouldn't his dog have been on a leash? I've ran across coyotes a few
times, they don't seem to interested in me. His dog was probably
harassing the coyote. Anyway, I would carry a pistol, if I had one,
because I live in da 'hood. The one time I came across a bear it was
so close I wouldn't have had time to draw a weapon anyway. Luckily,
it ran away from me instead of at me. I've ran across rattle snakes
and skunks and all sort of things but haven't had to kill anything
yet. I keep meaning to get some bear strength pepper spray, but never
seem to get around to it. I have a whistle I wear on my pack that
rattles a little bit, makes some noise but not as annoying as bearing
a bear bell.
On Apr 28, 7:49 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Sean Butler <s...@2sparrows.org> wrote:
> > This list is killing me.... :-)
> > On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:44 PM, BareFoot_FatBoy wrote:
> > > Devan Bennett,
> > > I went to a saddlemaker/bootmaker and had a custom holster made of
> > > thin leather. It's slides onto an old military web belt from my dad's
> > > military days. It closely hugs my body, horizontally, to the left of
> > > my belly button, with the handle pointing towards my right hand. The
> > > closure is a simple flap with a good, large snap. Retrieving it is as
> > > simple as dragging my hand across the snap to undo it and then
> > > grabbing the pistol.
> > > I had considered my 1911A1 .45 but as you might guess, it is too bulky
> > > and heavy with which to run. The Colt .32 is perfect; small enough to
> > > carry easily but with a large enough caliber to damage anything I
> > > hit. (Although a really large dog would probably need another round
> > > or two.)
> > > Any kind of belt would work as long as it has some width to it. A
> > > skinny belt allows the pistol to bobble about and beat the hell out of
> > > your belly. This web belt is almost as wide as the pistol so it sits
> > > without moving around.
> > > I'd send you a picture of the rig but I keep it at my folk's house,
> > > 300 miles away.
> > > BFFB
> > > On Apr 28, 7:33 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> BFFB, I run with my pistol, too, but haven't found a great way to make
> > it
> > >> work. Right now, I carry in the camelbak, but the draw speed is
> > atrocious.
> > >> How do you carry your .32 while you're running?
> Texan? Texan?! Look, while Texas may have us beat on sheer land area,
> there's no place in the entire COUNTRY with an ego as large as my dear old
> California! And I'll thank you not to forget it!
> (Although, isn't it great that all sorts of people are nuts enough to run
> barefoot? Even Texans!)
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Vegans on the one hand, Texans on the other. It's a riot.
> > On 4/28/10, Sean Butler <s...@2sparrows.org> wrote:
> > > This list is killing me.... :-)
> > > On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:44 PM, BareFoot_FatBoy wrote:
> > >> Devan Bennett,
> > >> I went to a saddlemaker/bootmaker and had a custom holster made of
> > >> thin leather. It's slides onto an old military web belt from my dad's
> > >> military days. It closely hugs my body, horizontally, to the left of
> > >> my belly button, with the handle pointing towards my right hand. The
> > >> closure is a simple flap with a good, large snap. Retrieving it is as
> > >> simple as dragging my hand across the snap to undo it and then
> > >> grabbing the pistol.
> > >> I had considered my 1911A1 .45 but as you might guess, it is too bulky
> > >> and heavy with which to run. The Colt .32 is perfect; small enough to
> > >> carry easily but with a large enough caliber to damage anything I
> > >> hit. (Although a really large dog would probably need another round
> > >> or two.)
> > >> Any kind of belt would work as long as it has some width to it. A
> > >> skinny belt allows the pistol to bobble about and beat the hell out of
> > >> your belly. This web belt is almost as wide as the pistol so it sits
> > >> without moving around.
> > >> I'd send you a picture of the rig but I keep it at my folk's house,
> > >> 300 miles away.
> > >> BFFB
> > >> On Apr 28, 7:33 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> BFFB, I run with my pistol, too, but haven't found a great way to make
> > it
> > >>> work. Right now, I carry in the camelbak, but the draw speed is
> > >>> atrocious.
> > >>> How do you carry your .32 while you're running?
> Shouldn't his dog have been on a leash? I've ran across coyotes a few
> times, they don't seem to interested in me. His dog was probably
> harassing the coyote. Anyway, I would carry a pistol, if I had one,
> because I live in da 'hood. The one time I came across a bear it was
> so close I wouldn't have had time to draw a weapon anyway. Luckily,
> it ran away from me instead of at me. I've ran across rattle snakes
> and skunks and all sort of things but haven't had to kill anything
> yet. I keep meaning to get some bear strength pepper spray, but never
> seem to get around to it. I have a whistle I wear on my pack that
> rattles a little bit, makes some noise but not as annoying as bearing
> a bear bell.
> On Apr 28, 7:49 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > We call it "broadening horizons" ;)
> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Sean Butler <s...@2sparrows.org> wrote:
> > > This list is killing me.... :-)
> > > On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:44 PM, BareFoot_FatBoy wrote:
> > > > Devan Bennett,
> > > > I went to a saddlemaker/bootmaker and had a custom holster made of
> > > > thin leather. It's slides onto an old military web belt from my dad's
> > > > military days. It closely hugs my body, horizontally, to the left of
> > > > my belly button, with the handle pointing towards my right hand. The
> > > > closure is a simple flap with a good, large snap. Retrieving it is as
> > > > simple as dragging my hand across the snap to undo it and then
> > > > grabbing the pistol.
> > > > I had considered my 1911A1 .45 but as you might guess, it is too bulky
> > > > and heavy with which to run. The Colt .32 is perfect; small enough to
> > > > carry easily but with a large enough caliber to damage anything I
> > > > hit. (Although a really large dog would probably need another round
> > > > or two.)
> > > > Any kind of belt would work as long as it has some width to it. A
> > > > skinny belt allows the pistol to bobble about and beat the hell out of
> > > > your belly. This web belt is almost as wide as the pistol so it sits
> > > > without moving around.
> > > > I'd send you a picture of the rig but I keep it at my folk's house,
> > > > 300 miles away.
> > > > BFFB
> > > > On Apr 28, 7:33 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> BFFB, I run with my pistol, too, but haven't found a great way to make
> > > it
> > > >> work. Right now, I carry in the camelbak, but the draw speed is
> > > atrocious.
> > > >> How do you carry your .32 while you're running?
Yepper, across my body. The pistol is out of the way of my arm-swing
and easy to reach if I need it.
I had considered the smaller-sized .45s but since I already owned a .
32, I saw no reason to spend a few hundred on another pistol.
My dangerous animals are small to medium-sized farm dogs so I don't
need any real stopping power required for seriously dangerous critters
such as you apparently face. I'm an excellent shot so a farm dog will
go down, even using this ball .32. Once in a blue moon one notices a
coyote peaking out from under a sagebrush but he's just curious; out
in the country it's pretty rare to see a human without his pickup or
horse. (Even after several years of running out there, I still get
comments from the neighbors.)
BFFB
On Apr 28, 9:48 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So your draw is across the body? I'll have to look into carrying that way.
> Of course, it might not make much of a difference; I carry a 4.25 inch 1911
> and I wouldn't feel comfortable with a minor caliber. Where I run the
> concerns are #3 cougar, #2 bear w/cubs, #1 pot farmer—I've surprised both #2
> and #1 out in the woods, and while "run like h___" was a great strategy it
> was nice to have a plan B too.
How about the use of bone meal and blood meal? As the coyote
decomposed it would add those things and enrich the soil as well as
holding moisture in that area. Use of organic matter for mulch is
widely used as it also adds to the soil.
On Apr 28, 6:09 pm, Joe Z <jozab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You know, dead animals are definitely NOT recommended for the making of
> mulch. Guess he's not much of a gardener. On the positive side, he is
> feeding the maggots.
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Sean Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Does anyone bring their pistol with them when they go running?
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Claudia <claudia_ho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> How about the use of bone meal and blood meal? As the coyote
> decomposed it would add those things and enrich the soil as well as
> holding moisture in that area. Use of organic matter for mulch is
> widely used as it also adds to the soil.
> On Apr 28, 6:09 pm, Joe Z <jozab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > You know, dead animals are definitely NOT recommended for the making of
> > mulch. Guess he's not much of a gardener. On the positive side, he is
> > feeding the maggots.
> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Sean Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Does anyone bring their pistol with them when they go running?
The reasons carcasses aren't recommended for compost or fertilizer are the
smell and the risk of disease, not the nutrient value. (Note that both of
those issues disappear over time). However, I have tried the trick of
planting a fish with your corn, and the fished corn did substantially
better, so there you go.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> That would be fertilizer, not mulch. Both are good...
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Claudia <claudia_ho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> How about the use of bone meal and blood meal? As the coyote
>> decomposed it would add those things and enrich the soil as well as
>> holding moisture in that area. Use of organic matter for mulch is
>> widely used as it also adds to the soil.
>> On Apr 28, 6:09 pm, Joe Z <jozab...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > You know, dead animals are definitely NOT recommended for the making of
>> > mulch. Guess he's not much of a gardener. On the positive side, he is
>> > feeding the maggots.
>> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Sean Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> > > Does anyone bring their pistol with them when they go running?
> The reasons carcasses aren't recommended for compost or fertilizer are the
> smell and the risk of disease, not the nutrient value. (Note that both of
> those issues disappear over time). However, I have tried the trick of
> planting a fish with your corn, and the fished corn did substantially
> better, so there you go.
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That would be fertilizer, not mulch. Both are good...
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Claudia <claudia_ho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> How about the use of bone meal and blood meal? As the coyote
> >> decomposed it would add those things and enrich the soil as well as
> >> holding moisture in that area. Use of organic matter for mulch is
> >> widely used as it also adds to the soil.
> >> On Apr 28, 6:09 pm, Joe Z <jozab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > You know, dead animals are definitely NOT recommended for the making of
> >> > mulch. Guess he's not much of a gardener. On the positive side, he is
> >> > feeding the maggots.
> >> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Sean Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > Does anyone bring their pistol with them when they go running?
Guess you could say it was natures mulch/fertilizer all in one. Since
it did mulch the area where it fell and happily no one was there to
smell it that cared. Probably a good meal for scavengers too, yum.
On Apr 29, 11:23 am, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The reasons carcasses aren't recommended for compost or fertilizer are the
> smell and the risk of disease, not the nutrient value. (Note that both of
> those issues disappear over time). However, I have tried the trick of
> planting a fish with your corn, and the fished corn did substantially
> better, so there you go.
> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > That would be fertilizer, not mulch. Both are good...
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Claudia <claudia_ho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> How about the use of bone meal and blood meal? As the coyote
> >> decomposed it would add those things and enrich the soil as well as
> >> holding moisture in that area. Use of organic matter for mulch is
> >> widely used as it also adds to the soil.
> >> On Apr 28, 6:09 pm, Joe Z <jozab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > You know, dead animals are definitely NOT recommended for the making of
> >> > mulch. Guess he's not much of a gardener. On the positive side, he is
> >> > feeding the maggots.
> >> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Sean Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> > > Does anyone bring their pistol with them when they go running?
> That doesn't seem too surprising. At a certein level (the molecular)
> all biological entities are made of the same things. Its the
> Ciiiircle of Life.
> Bet you didn't think I could get an Elton John reference in this
> thread...
> On Apr 29, 1:23 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The reasons carcasses aren't recommended for compost or fertilizer are the
> > smell and the risk of disease, not the nutrient value. (Note that both of
> > those issues disappear over time). However, I have tried the trick of
> > planting a fish with your corn, and the fished corn did substantially
> > better, so there you go.
> > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 10:10 AM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > That would be fertilizer, not mulch. Both are good...
> > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Claudia <claudia_ho...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> How about the use of bone meal and blood meal? As the coyote
> > >> decomposed it would add those things and enrich the soil as well as
> > >> holding moisture in that area. Use of organic matter for mulch is
> > >> widely used as it also adds to the soil.
> > >> On Apr 28, 6:09 pm, Joe Z <jozab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> > You know, dead animals are definitely NOT recommended for the making of
> > >> > mulch. Guess he's not much of a gardener. On the positive side, he is
> > >> > feeding the maggots.
> > >> > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 12:45 PM, Sean Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> > > Does anyone bring their pistol with them when they go running?
> I guess minimalism doesn't apply to weapons. Does anyone here just go
> running with a hunting knife?
> On Apr 29, 12:28 am, Sherman Overman <sover...@surewest.net> wrote:
> > Shouldn't his dog have been on a leash? I've ran across coyotes a few
> > times, they don't seem to interested in me. His dog was probably
> > harassing the coyote. Anyway, I would carry a pistol, if I had one,
> > because I live in da 'hood. The one time I came across a bear it was
> > so close I wouldn't have had time to draw a weapon anyway. Luckily,
> > it ran away from me instead of at me. I've ran across rattle snakes
> > and skunks and all sort of things but haven't had to kill anything
> > yet. I keep meaning to get some bear strength pepper spray, but never
> > seem to get around to it. I have a whistle I wear on my pack that
> > rattles a little bit, makes some noise but not as annoying as bearing
> > a bear bell.
> > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Sean Butler <s...@2sparrows.org> wrote:
> > > > This list is killing me.... :-)
> > > > On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:44 PM, BareFoot_FatBoy wrote:
> > > > > Devan Bennett,
> > > > > I went to a saddlemaker/bootmaker and had a custom holster made of
> > > > > thin leather. It's slides onto an old military web belt from my dad's
> > > > > military days. It closely hugs my body, horizontally, to the left of
> > > > > my belly button, with the handle pointing towards my right hand. The
> > > > > closure is a simple flap with a good, large snap. Retrieving it is as
> > > > > simple as dragging my hand across the snap to undo it and then
> > > > > grabbing the pistol.
> > > > > I had considered my 1911A1 .45 but as you might guess, it is too bulky
> > > > > and heavy with which to run. The Colt .32 is perfect; small enough to
> > > > > carry easily but with a large enough caliber to damage anything I
> > > > > hit. (Although a really large dog would probably need another round
> > > > > or two.)
> > > > > Any kind of belt would work as long as it has some width to it. A
> > > > > skinny belt allows the pistol to bobble about and beat the hell out of
> > > > > your belly. This web belt is almost as wide as the pistol so it sits
> > > > > without moving around.
> > > > > I'd send you a picture of the rig but I keep it at my folk's house,
> > > > > 300 miles away.
> > > > > BFFB
> > > > > On Apr 28, 7:33 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> BFFB, I run with my pistol, too, but haven't found a great way to make
> > > > it
> > > > >> work. Right now, I carry in the camelbak, but the draw speed is
> > > > atrocious.
> > > > >> How do you carry your .32 while you're running?
> A few runners have been attacked by cougars in California.
> I read a very funny editorial published in a paper in California, written by
> an Alaskan, explaining to the simpletons why folks in Alaska take a gun to
> walk the dog. Hint: they're not worried about muggers... :)
> Apparently the Guv ran without his security detail. I suppose taking a gun
> along is a reasonable precaution, and the coyote was just a bonus...
> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:17 PM, JasonH <jasonm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I would love to but its too heavy :) I have only been a little
> > nervous is some deep woods a few times but so far I have not thought
> > 'I need my gun'. I have not heard many (any ?) stories of ultra
> > runners being attacked. Anyone have some ?
> > Jason
> > On Apr 28, 10:45 am, Sean Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Does anyone bring their pistol with them when they go running?
> Every year there are several bear deaths in Canada. Often one or more
> are trail runners.
> I'm not a gun expert, but I've talked to those who know their stuff
> and a 32 wouldn't be enough. A 50 might do it, and often ppl use
> shotgun slugs.
> On Apr 28, 1:21 pm, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> A few runners have been attacked by cougars in California.
>> I read a very funny editorial published in a paper in California, written
>> by
>> an Alaskan, explaining to the simpletons why folks in Alaska take a gun to
>> walk the dog. Hint: they're not worried about muggers... :)
>> Apparently the Guv ran without his security detail. I suppose taking a
>> gun
>> along is a reasonable precaution, and the coyote was just a bonus...
>> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:17 PM, JasonH <jasonm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I would love to but its too heavy :) I have only been a little
>> > nervous is some deep woods a few times but so far I have not thought
>> > 'I need my gun'. I have not heard many (any ?) stories of ultra
>> > runners being attacked. Anyone have some ?
>> > Jason
>> > On Apr 28, 10:45 am, Sean Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > Does anyone bring their pistol with them when they go running?
I can't say I've ever felt the need to carry a weapon while running.
It's a bit like wearing thick shoes and crashing/slamming your way
down the trail. If you learn about your environment and the animals
that populate it, plan well, keep your eyes open, and listen, you
won't need it. Assuming it even happened, I see it as just another
example of a fool who can't or won't adapt to the environment around
him.
On Apr 29, 9:28 pm, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> By "bear deaths" I'm presuming you mean people killed by bears, and
> not the other way around...
> I may be entering the food chain when I go on the trail, but I plan on
> remaining at the top, thank you very much.
> On 4/29/10, Byron <byronfleetw...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Every year there are several bear deaths in Canada. Often one or more
> > are trail runners.
> > I'm not a gun expert, but I've talked to those who know their stuff
> > and a 32 wouldn't be enough. A 50 might do it, and often ppl use
> > shotgun slugs.
> > On Apr 28, 1:21 pm, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> A few runners have been attacked by cougars in California.
> >> I read a very funny editorial published in a paper in California, written
> >> by
> >> an Alaskan, explaining to the simpletons why folks in Alaska take a gun to
> >> walk the dog. Hint: they're not worried about muggers... :)
> >> Apparently the Guv ran without his security detail. I suppose taking a
> >> gun
> >> along is a reasonable precaution, and the coyote was just a bonus...
> >> On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:17 PM, JasonH <jasonm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > I would love to but its too heavy :) I have only been a little
> >> > nervous is some deep woods a few times but so far I have not thought
> >> > 'I need my gun'. I have not heard many (any ?) stories of ultra
> >> > runners being attacked. Anyone have some ?
> >> > Jason
> >> > On Apr 28, 10:45 am, Sean Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > Does anyone bring their pistol with them when they go running?
On Apr 30, 6:49 am, AaronH <meeds70...@mypacks.net> wrote:
"I can't say I've ever felt the need to carry a weapon while running.
It's a bit like wearing thick shoes and crashing/slamming your way
down the trail. If you learn about your environment and the animals
that populate it, plan well, keep your eyes open, and listen, you
won't need it. Assuming it even happened, I see it as just another
example of a fool who can't or won't adapt to the environment around
him."
Heh, AaronH's post is an example of someone propounding upon a
situation of which they know zilch.
Jayzuz H. Christ, why in hell do you think I go to the trouble of
carrying a bloody pistol? You think it's fun carrying a couple of
pounds of inert metal around my waist while I'm running? I am
perfectly aware of my environment which is why I've never had to
actually shoot someone's dog. Since I am aware of my environment, I
know the chances of a coyote giving me any problems are almost zero.
I know rattlesnakes like to sun themselves in the road so I watch out
for them. I know the difference between rattlers and bullsnakes and
racers; one can jump over the latter two with no problem, assuming the
racer is still there when you get to his sunning spot. One two-mile
stretch of county road goes through unfenced ranch land. I know which
of the three bulls in the pasture can be a problem. (Heh, that
bastard will be gone to the butcher at the end of the fall breeding
season. I plan to buy some of his steaks.)
Sheesh, "learn about [my] environment," he says.
I have been around dogs literally all my life (I'm 58 years old); I
know, positively, if a dog is a threat or not. I know which farms
have harmless dogs and which farms are populated by dogs that will
definitely tear a chunk from my leg. Since I know my environment
intimately, I know there is no route that will exclude a dangerous dog
or poisonous shake. I am not, repeat not, going to let some stupid
farmer's dog ruin my run. If the dog jacks with me, he's gonna get
hurt. Period. As Tuck posted earlier, I may be entering the food
chain but I'm going to do my best to remain at the top of that chain.
My motto is "live and let live," but don't try to fuck me.
If you've "never felt the need to carry a weapon while running," it's
because you don't run in an area thickly populated with critters that
will hurt you. You sound like what we rednecks contemptuously refer
to as a "city boy," unfamiliar with what goes on away from population
centers, and may piss your pants at the thought of being in the same
room with a weapon.
Your assumption of my possible prevarication was definitely not cool.
I was going to label you a "pussy" but doing so would lower me to your
foolish level so I'll end this diatribe with my guess that you support
Obama.
Actually, Andy, I carry a sturdy pocket knife almost everywhere I legally
can (including on runs), and have since my Boy Scout days. While "be
prepared" should be applied with wisdom (I rarely take my hatchet jogging,
for example), a knife is so useful, and so little inconvenience, that it's
almost always worthwhile to have it with me.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 6:58 AM, Andy Southerland <
andy.southerl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "His dog was probably harassing the coyote."
> Lmao.
> I guess minimalism doesn't apply to weapons. Does anyone here just go
> running with a hunting knife?
> On Apr 29, 12:28 am, Sherman Overman <sover...@surewest.net> wrote:
> > Shouldn't his dog have been on a leash? I've ran across coyotes a few
> > times, they don't seem to interested in me. His dog was probably
> > harassing the coyote. Anyway, I would carry a pistol, if I had one,
> > because I live in da 'hood. The one time I came across a bear it was
> > so close I wouldn't have had time to draw a weapon anyway. Luckily,
> > it ran away from me instead of at me. I've ran across rattle snakes
> > and skunks and all sort of things but haven't had to kill anything
> > yet. I keep meaning to get some bear strength pepper spray, but never
> > seem to get around to it. I have a whistle I wear on my pack that
> > rattles a little bit, makes some noise but not as annoying as bearing
> > a bear bell.
> > > On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Sean Butler <s...@2sparrows.org>
> wrote:
> > > > This list is killing me.... :-)
> > > > On Apr 28, 2010, at 9:44 PM, BareFoot_FatBoy wrote:
> > > > > Devan Bennett,
> > > > > I went to a saddlemaker/bootmaker and had a custom holster made of
> > > > > thin leather. It's slides onto an old military web belt from my
> dad's
> > > > > military days. It closely hugs my body, horizontally, to the left
> of
> > > > > my belly button, with the handle pointing towards my right hand.
> The
> > > > > closure is a simple flap with a good, large snap. Retrieving it is
> as
> > > > > simple as dragging my hand across the snap to undo it and then
> > > > > grabbing the pistol.
> > > > > I had considered my 1911A1 .45 but as you might guess, it is too
> bulky
> > > > > and heavy with which to run. The Colt .32 is perfect; small enough
> to
> > > > > carry easily but with a large enough caliber to damage anything I
> > > > > hit. (Although a really large dog would probably need another
> round
> > > > > or two.)
> > > > > Any kind of belt would work as long as it has some width to it. A
> > > > > skinny belt allows the pistol to bobble about and beat the hell out
> of
> > > > > your belly. This web belt is almost as wide as the pistol so it
> sits
> > > > > without moving around.
> > > > > I'd send you a picture of the rig but I keep it at my folk's house,
> > > > > 300 miles away.
> > > > > BFFB
> > > > > On Apr 28, 7:33 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> BFFB, I run with my pistol, too, but haven't found a great way to
> make
> > > > it
> > > > >> work. Right now, I carry in the camelbak, but the draw speed is
> > > > atrocious.
> > > > >> How do you carry your .32 while you're running?
I see your points about the potential biological benefits of "carcass
mulch", however I still think the gov. misused the term. I think "maggot
food" would have been a better choice of words.
Well, I tried the across-the-body carry, using an inside-the-waistband
holster and broad, sturdy belt. Here's the issues:
1. Even with an otherwise rock-steady belt/holster combo cinched up tight,
the butt swung uncomfortably as soon as I started to run. This makes sense
on reflection—a revolver has a more compact center of gravity, since all of
the cartridges are in the cylinder—but those 230-grains in the grip would
have bruised me quickly.
2. There's no way I can conceal a firearm under my lightweight running
clothes, no matter how I carry it. And, this being California, I'm (a) not
allowed to open-carry (unless the gun's unloaded, and what's the point
then?); and (b) going to get arrested if anyone so much as imagines I have a
gun under my shirt.
On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 9:28 AM, BareFoot_FatBoy <james...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Devan Bennett,
> Yepper, across my body. The pistol is out of the way of my arm-swing
> and easy to reach if I need it.
> I had considered the smaller-sized .45s but since I already owned a .
> 32, I saw no reason to spend a few hundred on another pistol.
> My dangerous animals are small to medium-sized farm dogs so I don't
> need any real stopping power required for seriously dangerous critters
> such as you apparently face. I'm an excellent shot so a farm dog will
> go down, even using this ball .32. Once in a blue moon one notices a
> coyote peaking out from under a sagebrush but he's just curious; out
> in the country it's pretty rare to see a human without his pickup or
> horse. (Even after several years of running out there, I still get
> comments from the neighbors.)
> BFFB
> On Apr 28, 9:48 pm, Devan Bennett <devan.benn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > So your draw is across the body? I'll have to look into carrying that
> way.
> > Of course, it might not make much of a difference; I carry a 4.25 inch
> 1911
> > and I wouldn't feel comfortable with a minor caliber. Where I run the
> > concerns are #3 cougar, #2 bear w/cubs, #1 pot farmer—I've surprised both
> #2
> > and #1 out in the woods, and while "run like h___" was a great strategy
> it
> > was nice to have a plan B too.
