I should have known....http://health.yahoo.net/experts/dayinhealth/coffee-linked-vision-loss The Scandinavian Link "Scandinavian populations have the highest frequencies of exfoliation syndrome and glaucoma," author Jae Hee Kang, ScD, of Channing Division of Network Medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, told Science Daily. "Because Scandinavian populations also have the highest consumption of caffeinated coffee in the world and our research group has previously found that greater caffeinated coffee intake was associated with increased risk of primary open-angle glaucoma [another form of the disease], we conducted this study to evaluate whether the risk of exfoliation glaucoma…may be different by coffee consumption,” Kang added.
carl whose very first job after the first week left a black whole in his stomach lining after way too much coffee drinking...read no water coolers....and now he is trying to rely on sonar to navigate...:-)
> "Scandinavian populations have the highest frequencies of exfoliation > syndrome and glaucoma," author Jae Hee Kang, ScD, of Channing Division of > Network Medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, told Science > Daily <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121003132012.htm>.
> "Because Scandinavian populations also have the highest consumption of > caffeinated coffee in the world and our research group has previously found > that greater caffeinated coffee intake was associated with increased risk > of primary open-angle glaucoma [another form of the disease], we conducted > this study to evaluate whether the risk of exfoliation glaucoma…may be > different by coffee consumption,” Kang added.
> carl
> whose very first job after the first week left a black whole in his > stomach lining after way too much coffee drinking...read no water > coolers....and now he is trying to rely on sonar to navigate...:-)
anyone who have read "the girl with the dragon tattoo" can surely understand our coffee problem....and it ain't watery coffee either folks...
carl wondering when they will open a starbucks there...oh here we go last year they opened the first store http://www.thelocal.se/35826/20110829/...they face stiff competition..it might be too weak...:-) OH O I II / \ / \ OH
________________________________ From: Adolfo Neto <adolfo....@gmail.com> To: huaraches@googlegroups.com Sent: Fri, October 5, 2012 9:23:27 PM Subject: [Minimalist Runner:123368] Re: OT - Coffee Linked to Vision Loss
Thanks for sharing.
On Friday, 5 October 2012 19:30:26 UTC-3, Viking Runner wrote:
I should have known....http://health.yahoo. net/experts/dayinhealth/ coffee-linked-vision-loss
>The Scandinavian Link >"Scandinavian populations have the highest frequencies of exfoliation syndrome >and glaucoma," author Jae Hee Kang, ScD, of Channing Division of Network >Medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, told Science Daily. >"Because Scandinavian populations also have the highest consumption of >caffeinated coffee in the world and our research group has previously found that >greater caffeinated coffee intake was associated with increased risk of primary >open-angle glaucoma [another form of the disease], we conducted this study to >evaluate whether the risk of exfoliation glaucoma…may be different by coffee >consumption,” Kang added. > >carl >whose very first job after the first week left a black whole in his stomach >lining after way too much coffee drinking...read no water coolers....and now he >is trying to rely on sonar to navigate...:-)--
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Don't make any lifestyle changes on the basis of that article. It's preliminary and really shouldn't have been published outside of typical journals. Read the last paragraph carefully: "Because this is the first study to evaluate the association between caffeinated coffee and exfoliation glaucoma in a U.S. population, confirmation of these results in other populations would be needed to lend more credence to the possibility that caffeinated coffee might be a modifiable risk factor for glaucoma," said Kang. "It may also lead to research into other dietary or lifestyle factors as risk factors.
This was a study based upon statistical analysis for the purposes of deciding if further research was warranted. It is a nice long study, which is generally a good thing, but considering that the author himself doesn't regard it as conclusive, I would personally trust the author on it. There was a ton of work done and it's valuable research, but it shouldn't be used as a reason to quit coffee if you aren't already planning on doing it.
This is more or less typical of food related studies, they're done over large numbers of people using statistical analysis. You can't prove or disprove anything with statistics, but you can generally get an idea of how likely something is to be true. You do eventually get to the point where if it isn't true, it's such a fluke that you got that data that you can count on it. But, like with this study, it's interesting, and there does seem to be enough to justify moderation in terms of consumption, but it's not what I would consider compelling evidence to cut back.
OT, but it's also worth noting that Coffee does not cause dehydration. I'm not sure how that myth got started, but it's simply not the case.
> "Scandinavian populations have the highest frequencies of exfoliation > syndrome and glaucoma," author Jae Hee Kang, ScD, of Channing Division of > Network Medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, told Science > Daily <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121003132012.htm>.
> "Because Scandinavian populations also have the highest consumption of > caffeinated coffee in the world and our research group has previously found > that greater caffeinated coffee intake was associated with increased risk > of primary open-angle glaucoma [another form of the disease], we conducted > this study to evaluate whether the risk of exfoliation glaucoma…may be > different by coffee consumption,” Kang added.
> carl
> whose very first job after the first week left a black whole in his > stomach lining after way too much coffee drinking...read no water > coolers....and now he is trying to rely on sonar to navigate...:-)
Maybe it's because Scandinavia is in near darkness for most of the year. Eyesight becomes largely unnecessary. ;)
My Norwegian Grandmother drank at least a pot and a half of coffee per day for about eighty years. And she was nearly blind when she died at 98 or 99. So it must be true. Proof by anecdote. I'm sure that the diabetes had nothing to do with it. ;)
> "Scandinavian populations have the highest frequencies of exfoliation > syndrome and glaucoma," author Jae Hee Kang, ScD, of Channing Division of > Network Medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, told Science > Daily <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121003132012.htm>.
> "Because Scandinavian populations also have the highest consumption of > caffeinated coffee in the world and our research group has previously found > that greater caffeinated coffee intake was associated with increased risk > of primary open-angle glaucoma [another form of the disease], we conducted > this study to evaluate whether the risk of exfoliation glaucoma…may be > different by coffee consumption,” Kang added.
> carl
> whose very first job after the first week left a black whole in his > stomach lining after way too much coffee drinking...read no water > coolers....and now he is trying to rely on sonar to navigate...:-)
"The available literature suggests that acute ingestion of caffeine in
large doses (at least 250-300 mg, equivalent to the amount found in 2-3
cups of coffee or 5-8 cups of tea) results in a short-term stimulation of
urine output in individuals who have been deprived of caffeine for a period
of days or weeks. A profound tolerance to the diuretic and other effects of
caffeine develops, however, and the actions are much diminished in
individuals who regularly consume tea or coffee. Doses of caffeine
equivalent to the amount normally found in standard servings of tea, coffee
and carbonated soft drinks appear to have no diuretic action."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19774754
The answer is, clearly, don't let yourself be deprived of caffiene. But
there's clearly a real effect, it's not a "myth".
On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, HM Edwards <hedwards...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Don't make any lifestyle changes on the basis of that article. It's
> preliminary and really shouldn't have been published outside of typical
> journals. Read the last paragraph carefully:
> "Because this is the first study to evaluate the association between
> caffeinated coffee and exfoliation glaucoma in a U.S. population,
> confirmation of these results in other populations would be needed to lend
> more credence to the possibility that caffeinated coffee might be a
> modifiable risk factor for glaucoma," said Kang. "It may also lead to
> research into other dietary or lifestyle factors as risk factors.
> This was a study based upon statistical analysis for the purposes of
> deciding if further research was warranted. It is a nice long study, which
> is generally a good thing, but considering that the author himself doesn't
> regard it as conclusive, I would personally trust the author on it. There
> was a ton of work done and it's valuable research, but it shouldn't be used
> as a reason to quit coffee if you aren't already planning on doing it.
> This is more or less typical of food related studies, they're done over
> large numbers of people using statistical analysis. You can't prove or
> disprove anything with statistics, but you can generally get an idea of how
> likely something is to be true. You do eventually get to the point where if
> it isn't true, it's such a fluke that you got that data that you can count
> on it. But, like with this study, it's interesting, and there does seem to
> be enough to justify moderation in terms of consumption, but it's not what
> I would consider compelling evidence to cut back.
> OT, but it's also worth noting that Coffee does not cause dehydration. I'm
> not sure how that myth got started, but it's simply not the case.
> On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:30:26 AM UTC+8, Viking Runner wrote:
>> "Scandinavian populations have the highest frequencies of exfoliation
>> syndrome and glaucoma," author Jae Hee Kang, ScD, of Channing Division of
>> Network Medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, told Science
>> Daily <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121003132012.htm>.
>> "Because Scandinavian populations also have the highest consumption of
>> caffeinated coffee in the world and our research group has previously found
>> that greater caffeinated coffee intake was associated with increased risk
>> of primary open-angle glaucoma [another form of the disease], we conducted
>> this study to evaluate whether the risk of exfoliation glaucoma…may be
>> different by coffee consumption,” Kang added.
>> carl
>> whose very first job after the first week left a black whole in his
>> stomach lining after way too much coffee drinking...read no water
>> coolers....and now he is trying to rely on sonar to navigate...:-)
lol...this sounds excactly like a person who is not willing to give up bread (read opiate)..I have been there (former hobby artisan bread maker)...I do drink coffee..not every day...I do think this seems a plausible conclusion knowing from what I have observed although with an ever declining lens...:-)..I did read the final paragraph...you can always wait until they have done further studies but then again you might not be able to read it...:-)
carl OH O I II / \ / \ OH
________________________________ From: HM Edwards <hedwards...@gmail.com> To: huaraches@googlegroups.com Sent: Sun, October 7, 2012 9:30:17 AM Subject: [Minimalist Runner:123396] Re: OT - Coffee Linked to Vision Loss
Don't make any lifestyle changes on the basis of that article. It's preliminary and really shouldn't have been published outside of typical journals. Read the last paragraph carefully:
"Because this is the first study to evaluate the association between caffeinated coffee and exfoliation glaucoma in a U.S. population, confirmation of these results in other populations would be needed to lend more credence to the possibility that caffeinated coffee might be a modifiable risk factor for glaucoma," said Kang. "It may also lead to research into other dietary or lifestyle factors as risk factors.
This was a study based upon statistical analysis for the purposes of deciding if further research was warranted. It is a nice long study, which is generally a good thing, but considering that the author himself doesn't regard it as conclusive, I would personally trust the author on it. There was a ton of work done and it's valuable research, but it shouldn't be used as a reason to quit coffee if you aren't already planning on doing it.
This is more or less typical of food related studies, they're done over large numbers of people using statistical analysis. You can't prove or disprove anything with statistics, but you can generally get an idea of how likely something is to be true. You do eventually get to the point where if it isn't true, it's such a fluke that you got that data that you can count on it. But, like with this study, it's interesting, and there does seem to be enough to justify moderation in terms of consumption, but it's not what I would consider compelling evidence to cut back.
OT, but it's also worth noting that Coffee does not cause dehydration. I'm not sure how that myth got started, but it's simply not the case.
On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:30:26 AM UTC+8, Viking Runner wrote:
I should have known....http://health.yahoo. net/experts/dayinhealth/ coffee-linked-vision-loss
>The Scandinavian Link >"Scandinavian populations have the highest frequencies of exfoliation syndrome >and glaucoma," author Jae Hee Kang, ScD, of Channing Division of Network >Medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, told Science Daily. >"Because Scandinavian populations also have the highest consumption of >caffeinated coffee in the world and our research group has previously found that >greater caffeinated coffee intake was associated with increased risk of primary >open-angle glaucoma [another form of the disease], we conducted this study to >evaluate whether the risk of exfoliation glaucoma…may be different by coffee >consumption,” Kang added. > >carl >whose very first job after the first week left a black whole in his stomach >lining after way too much coffee drinking...read no water coolers....and now he >is trying to rely on sonar to navigate...:-)--
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> "The available literature suggests that acute ingestion of caffeine in > large doses (at least 250-300 mg, equivalent to the amount found in 2-3 > cups of coffee or 5-8 cups of tea) results in a short-term stimulation of > urine output in individuals who have been deprived of caffeine for a period > of days or weeks. A profound tolerance to the diuretic and other effects of > caffeine develops, however, and the actions are much diminished in > individuals who regularly consume tea or coffee. Doses of caffeine > equivalent to the amount normally found in standard servings of tea, coffee > and carbonated soft drinks appear to have no diuretic action."
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19774754
> The answer is, clearly, don't let yourself be deprived of caffiene. But > there's clearly a real effect, it's not a "myth".
> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, HM Edwards <hedwa...@gmail.com<javascript:>
> > wrote:
>> Don't make any lifestyle changes on the basis of that article. It's >> preliminary and really shouldn't have been published outside of typical >> journals. Read the last paragraph carefully: >> "Because this is the first study to evaluate the association between >> caffeinated coffee and exfoliation glaucoma in a U.S. population, >> confirmation of these results in other populations would be needed to lend >> more credence to the possibility that caffeinated coffee might be a >> modifiable risk factor for glaucoma," said Kang. "It may also lead to >> research into other dietary or lifestyle factors as risk factors.
>> This was a study based upon statistical analysis for the purposes of >> deciding if further research was warranted. It is a nice long study, which >> is generally a good thing, but considering that the author himself doesn't >> regard it as conclusive, I would personally trust the author on it. There >> was a ton of work done and it's valuable research, but it shouldn't be used >> as a reason to quit coffee if you aren't already planning on doing it.
>> This is more or less typical of food related studies, they're done over >> large numbers of people using statistical analysis. You can't prove or >> disprove anything with statistics, but you can generally get an idea of how >> likely something is to be true. You do eventually get to the point where if >> it isn't true, it's such a fluke that you got that data that you can count >> on it. But, like with this study, it's interesting, and there does seem to >> be enough to justify moderation in terms of consumption, but it's not what >> I would consider compelling evidence to cut back.
>> OT, but it's also worth noting that Coffee does not cause dehydration. >> I'm not sure how that myth got started, but it's simply not the case.
>> On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:30:26 AM UTC+8, Viking Runner wrote:
>>> "Scandinavian populations have the highest frequencies of exfoliation >>> syndrome and glaucoma," author Jae Hee Kang, ScD, of Channing Division of >>> Network Medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, told >>> Science Daily<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121003132012.htm>
>>> .
>>> "Because Scandinavian populations also have the highest consumption of >>> caffeinated coffee in the world and our research group has previously found >>> that greater caffeinated coffee intake was associated with increased risk >>> of primary open-angle glaucoma [another form of the disease], we conducted >>> this study to evaluate whether the risk of exfoliation glaucoma…may be >>> different by coffee consumption,” Kang added.
>>> carl
>>> whose very first job after the first week left a black whole in his >>> stomach lining after way too much coffee drinking...read no water >>> coolers....and now he is trying to rely on sonar to navigate...:-)
Read the blood research, not an article by an nutritionist. From the
review I posted earlier:
"...actions are much diminished in individuals who regularly consume tea or
coffee"
It is diuretic, but not if you consume it regularly.
>> "The available literature suggests that acute ingestion of caffeine in
>> large doses (at least 250-300 mg, equivalent to the amount found in 2-3
>> cups of coffee or 5-8 cups of tea) results in a short-term stimulation of
>> urine output in individuals who have been deprived of caffeine for a period
>> of days or weeks. A profound tolerance to the diuretic and other effects of
>> caffeine develops, however, and the actions are much diminished in
>> individuals who regularly consume tea or coffee. Doses of caffeine
>> equivalent to the amount normally found in standard servings of tea, coffee
>> and carbonated soft drinks appear to have no diuretic action."
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/**pubmed/19774754<http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19774754>
>> The answer is, clearly, don't let yourself be deprived of caffiene. But
>> there's clearly a real effect, it's not a "myth".
>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, HM Edwards <hedwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Don't make any lifestyle changes on the basis of that article. It's
>>> preliminary and really shouldn't have been published outside of typical
>>> journals. Read the last paragraph carefully:
>>> "Because this is the first study to evaluate the association between
>>> caffeinated coffee and exfoliation glaucoma in a U.S. population,
>>> confirmation of these results in other populations would be needed to lend
>>> more credence to the possibility that caffeinated coffee might be a
>>> modifiable risk factor for glaucoma," said Kang. "It may also lead to
>>> research into other dietary or lifestyle factors as risk factors.
>>> This was a study based upon statistical analysis for the purposes of
>>> deciding if further research was warranted. It is a nice long study, which
>>> is generally a good thing, but considering that the author himself doesn't
>>> regard it as conclusive, I would personally trust the author on it. There
>>> was a ton of work done and it's valuable research, but it shouldn't be used
>>> as a reason to quit coffee if you aren't already planning on doing it.
>>> This is more or less typical of food related studies, they're done over
>>> large numbers of people using statistical analysis. You can't prove or
>>> disprove anything with statistics, but you can generally get an idea of how
>>> likely something is to be true. You do eventually get to the point where if
>>> it isn't true, it's such a fluke that you got that data that you can count
>>> on it. But, like with this study, it's interesting, and there does seem to
>>> be enough to justify moderation in terms of consumption, but it's not what
>>> I would consider compelling evidence to cut back.
>>> OT, but it's also worth noting that Coffee does not cause dehydration.
>>> I'm not sure how that myth got started, but it's simply not the case.
>>> On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:30:26 AM UTC+8, Viking Runner wrote:
>>>> "Scandinavian populations have the highest frequencies of exfoliation
>>>> syndrome and glaucoma," author Jae Hee Kang, ScD, of Channing Division of
>>>> Network Medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, told
>>>> Science Daily<http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/10/121003132012.htm>
>>>> .
>>>> "Because Scandinavian populations also have the highest consumption of
>>>> caffeinated coffee in the world and our research group has previously found
>>>> that greater caffeinated coffee intake was associated with increased risk
>>>> of primary open-angle glaucoma [another form of the disease], we conducted
>>>> this study to evaluate whether the risk of exfoliation glaucoma…may be
>>>> different by coffee consumption,” Kang added.
>>>> carl
>>>> whose very first job after the first week left a black whole in his
>>>> stomach lining after way too much coffee drinking...read no water
>>>> coolers....and now he is trying to rely on sonar to navigate...:-)
That is in line with my own personal experiment since I have moved away from habitual coffee drinking. if I have had a cup of coffee in the evening eaten basically the same foods with or without coffee I have woken up with an elevated fasting glucose level i.e. a somewhat dehydrated body which increases the FG...sure there is a deviation of the accuracy of the meter, dawn effect etc but I've done it more than a few times to believe that it does raise the FG for at least someone who is not drinking it ever day...
Carl
On Oct 7, 2012, at 9:00 PM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Read the blood research, not an article by an nutritionist. From the review I posted earlier:
> "...actions are much diminished in individuals who regularly consume tea or coffee"
> It is diuretic, but not if you consume it regularly.
>>> "The available literature suggests that acute ingestion of caffeine in large doses (at least 250-300 mg, equivalent to the amount found in 2-3 cups of coffee or 5-8 cups of tea) results in a short-term stimulation of urine output in individuals who have been deprived of caffeine for a period of days or weeks. A profound tolerance to the diuretic and other effects of caffeine develops, however, and the actions are much diminished in individuals who regularly consume tea or coffee. Doses of caffeine equivalent to the amount normally found in standard servings of tea, coffee and carbonated soft drinks appear to have no diuretic action."
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19774754
>>> The answer is, clearly, don't let yourself be deprived of caffiene. But there's clearly a real effect, it's not a "myth".
>>> On Sun, Oct 7, 2012 at 9:30 AM, HM Edwards <hedwa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Don't make any lifestyle changes on the basis of that article. It's preliminary and really shouldn't have been published outside of typical journals. Read the last paragraph carefully: >>>> "Because this is the first study to evaluate the association between caffeinated coffee and exfoliation glaucoma in a U.S. population, confirmation of these results in other populations would be needed to lend more credence to the possibility that caffeinated coffee might be a modifiable risk factor for glaucoma," said Kang. "It may also lead to research into other dietary or lifestyle factors as risk factors.
>>>> This was a study based upon statistical analysis for the purposes of deciding if further research was warranted. It is a nice long study, which is generally a good thing, but considering that the author himself doesn't regard it as conclusive, I would personally trust the author on it. There was a ton of work done and it's valuable research, but it shouldn't be used as a reason to quit coffee if you aren't already planning on doing it.
>>>> This is more or less typical of food related studies, they're done over large numbers of people using statistical analysis. You can't prove or disprove anything with statistics, but you can generally get an idea of how likely something is to be true. You do eventually get to the point where if it isn't true, it's such a fluke that you got that data that you can count on it. But, like with this study, it's interesting, and there does seem to be enough to justify moderation in terms of consumption, but it's not what I would consider compelling evidence to cut back.
>>>> OT, but it's also worth noting that Coffee does not cause dehydration. I'm not sure how that myth got started, but it's simply not the case.
>>>> On Saturday, October 6, 2012 6:30:26 AM UTC+8, Viking Runner wrote:
>>>>> "Scandinavian populations have the highest frequencies of exfoliation syndrome and glaucoma," author Jae Hee Kang, ScD, of Channing Division of Network Medicine at Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, told Science Daily.
>>>>> "Because Scandinavian populations also have the highest consumption of caffeinated coffee in the world and our research group has previously found that greater caffeinated coffee intake was associated with increased risk of primary open-angle glaucoma [another form of the disease], we conducted this study to evaluate whether the risk of exfoliation glaucoma…may be different by coffee consumption,” Kang added.
>>>>> carl
>>>>> whose very first job after the first week left a black whole in his stomach lining after way too much coffee drinking...read no water coolers....and now he is trying to rely on sonar to navigate...:-)
