Long story short: I'm doing a 10k in a few days (actually 10k leg of relay triathlon at Memphis in May). Due to a mild injury and having recently been overtrained, I've only done Maffetone training for the last couple of months (almost no speed work or hills in 4 months). If this was just a 10k for myself, I'd skip the race or go easy, but because I'm part of a relay team, I need to give it the old college try.
So, pretty easy question (I hope): I've been running the 10k distance at my Maffetone heartrate of 138 and a 10 minute per mile pace. Given that, what sort of pace and/or heartrate should I aim for over the first 2 or 3 miles? Or the whole race, but I'll probably be able to figure out the last 3 miles as long as I don't overdo the first three. I just don't have much of an idea what would be a reasonable pace/heartrate for the first 2 or 3 miles.
the heart responds, it does not set the pace....run at a hundred and eighty steps , or a little more.......the pace is set by rhythm, and the heart responds....if you wanna monitor something, learn to monitor your respiration and exhalation....its the same as a vacum gague for your car.....if you wanna get good mileage, you don't look at the speedometer, you look at the vacum gague....el jefe
----- Original Message ----- From: John (SoLa) To: huaraches@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:55 AM
Subject: [Minimalist Runner:109614] 10k race pace question (basic)
Long story short: I'm doing a 10k in a few days (actually 10k leg of relay triathlon at Memphis in May). Due to a mild injury and having recently been overtrained, I've only done Maffetone training for the last couple of months (almost no speed work or hills in 4 months). If this was just a 10k for myself, I'd skip the race or go easy, but because I'm part of a relay team, I need to give it the old college try.
So, pretty easy question (I hope): I've been running the 10k distance at my Maffetone heartrate of 138 and a 10 minute per mile pace. Given that, what sort of pace and/or heartrate should I aim for over the first 2 or 3 miles? Or the whole race, but I'll probably be able to figure out the last 3 miles as long as I don't overdo the first three. I just don't have much of an idea what would be a reasonable pace/heartrate for the first 2 or 3 miles.
I agree with el jefe. I think the best thing you can do in this
situation is not focus on a certain hear rate or pace. If you are able
to curtail your competitive fire for the first 2 miles, you might find
yourself easing into a nice steady pace that is much faster than your
training runs. The best 10K i've ever run I did not think about pace
at all. Just went out and let it flow. The race was on a track and
there were several coaches yelling lap splits at the other runners. I
was so unconcerned with time, that their voices sounded foreign to me,
like another language. I would hear someone yell "76.7" and laugh to
myself because I finally learned to not focus on the time during the
race. Interestingly, this approach allowed me to run a 30+ second PR
at the distance, and my previous PR was set 5 days prior. It is truly
amazing what we are capable of when we stop trying to dictate to our
body pace and heart rate and just let it flow.
Of course the other side of this is you don't want to go out too fast
and burn out. But if you are well in tune with your body and *truly*
listen to your body, the chance of going out way too fast is lessened,
imo. Trust yourself.
On May 16, 11:10 am, "el jefe" <cr...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> the heart responds, it does not set the pace....run at a hundred and eighty steps , or a little more.......the pace is set by rhythm, and the heart responds....if you wanna monitor something, learn to monitor your respiration and exhalation....its the same as a vacum gague for your car.....if you wanna get good mileage, you don't look at the speedometer, you look at the vacum gague....el jefe
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John (SoLa)
> To: huaraches@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:55 AM
> Subject: [Minimalist Runner:109614] 10k race pace question (basic)
> Long story short: I'm doing a 10k in a few days (actually 10k leg of relay triathlon at Memphis in May). Due to a mild injury and having recently been overtrained, I've only done Maffetone training for the last couple of months (almost no speed work or hills in 4 months). If this was just a 10k for myself, I'd skip the race or go easy, but because I'm part of a relay team, I need to give it the old college try.
> So, pretty easy question (I hope): I've been running the 10k distance at my Maffetone heartrate of 138 and a 10 minute per mile pace. Given that, what sort of pace and/or heartrate should I aim for over the first 2 or 3 miles? Or the whole race, but I'll probably be able to figure out the last 3 miles as long as I don't overdo the first three. I just don't have much of an idea what would be a reasonable pace/heartrate for the first 2 or 3 miles.
Do you have any idea of what your LT HR is? (Or at least what it was a
few months ago prior to your injury/over trained state, since it does
change based on training.) I'd probably start there and knock a few BPM
off. (A well trained athlete can probably run slightly higher than LT in a
10k...)
You don't mention what your typical runs are these days in terms of
distance. If you are used to 10k's or longer, then the answer is probably
different than if you've only been running 3-4 miles. If you are used to
the distance then I'd start a little more aggressive.
As an example my official MAF is 139 though I typically add 5 since I've
been doing this a while, don't get sick often, etc. for a total of 144, and
my LT is around 163-165. I don't race with an HRM but if I were to do so
and I was confident of the distance, then I'd probably shoot to keep it a
5-10 BPM below LT for the 1st mile or two (though it's always higher at the
start due to adrenaline!) and then allow it to grow slowly over the course
of the run, noting that things like hills will give you fluctuations, of
course, but you'd be looking to the long term trend.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 11:10 AM, el jefe <cr...@austin.rr.com> wrote:
> **
> *the heart responds, it does not set the pace....run at a hundred and
> eighty steps , or a little more.......the pace is set by rhythm, and the
> heart responds....if you wanna monitor something, learn to monitor your
> respiration and exhalation....its the same as a vacum gague for your
> car.....if you wanna get good mileage, you don't look at the speedometer,
> you look at the vacum gague....el jefe*
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John (SoLa) <eile...@gmail.com>
> *To:* huaraches@googlegroups.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 16, 2012 9:55 AM
> *Subject:* [Minimalist Runner:109614] 10k race pace question (basic)
> Long story short: I'm doing a 10k in a few days (actually 10k leg of
> relay triathlon at Memphis in May). Due to a mild injury and having
> recently been overtrained, I've only done Maffetone training for the last
> couple of months (almost no speed work or hills in 4 months). If this was
> just a 10k for myself, I'd skip the race or go easy, but because I'm part
> of a relay team, I need to give it the old college try.
> So, pretty easy question (I hope): I've been running the 10k distance at
> my Maffetone heartrate of 138 and a 10 minute per mile pace. Given that,
> what sort of pace and/or heartrate should I aim for over the first 2 or 3
> miles? Or the whole race, but I'll probably be able to figure out the last
> 3 miles as long as I don't overdo the first three. I just don't have much
> of an idea what would be a reasonable pace/heartrate for the first 2 or 3
> miles.
> Long story short: I'm doing a 10k in a few days (actually 10k leg of relay
> triathlon at Memphis in May). Due to a mild injury and having recently
> been overtrained, I've only done Maffetone training for the last couple of
> months (almost no speed work or hills in 4 months). If this was just a 10k
> for myself, I'd skip the race or go easy, but because I'm part of a relay
> team, I need to give it the old college try.
> So, pretty easy question (I hope): I've been running the 10k distance at
> my Maffetone heartrate of 138 and a 10 minute per mile pace. Given that,
> what sort of pace and/or heartrate should I aim for over the first 2 or 3
> miles? Or the whole race, but I'll probably be able to figure out the last
> 3 miles as long as I don't overdo the first three. I just don't have much
> of an idea what would be a reasonable pace/heartrate for the first 2 or 3
> miles.
> But if you are well in tune with your body and *truly* > listen to your body, the chance of going out way too fast is lessened, > imo. Trust yourself.
I DON'T trust myself, hence my question as I will almost certainly start out too fast unless I restrict my pace and/or heart rate!!!
No idea about lactate threshhold but my usual distance is 10k and I generally feel fine at the end (just doing it at Maff pace (138 or lower).
So based on what you guys are saying here, I'm thinking something like an 8 minute pace and heart rate around 155? I realize I'm not giving you guys a lot to work with.
If it helps, I forgot to mention that last August I ran a cross country 5k at 24 minutes and I was sick and it was a hot day so I'd guess I should be closer to 22 or 23 minutes on a flat road 5k if I had to guess. That's my entire racing history, btw ;-)
On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 11:16:01 AM UTC-5, Greene Lantern wrote:
> 7:57 pace.
> On May 16, 11:55 am, "John (SoLa)" <eile...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Long story short: I'm doing a 10k in a few days (actually 10k leg of > relay > > triathlon at Memphis in May). Due to a mild injury and having recently > > been overtrained, I've only done Maffetone training for the last couple > of > > months (almost no speed work or hills in 4 months). If this was just a > 10k > > for myself, I'd skip the race or go easy, but because I'm part of a > relay > > team, I need to give it the old college try.
> > So, pretty easy question (I hope): I've been running the 10k distance > at > > my Maffetone heartrate of 138 and a 10 minute per mile pace. Given > that, > > what sort of pace and/or heartrate should I aim for over the first 2 or > 3 > > miles? Or the whole race, but I'll probably be able to figure out the > last > > 3 miles as long as I don't overdo the first three. I just don't have > much > > of an idea what would be a reasonable pace/heartrate for the first 2 or > 3 > > miles.
In that case, I'd revise my goal to "finishing." You're going for a distance PR and you should give it due respect. Not sure if GL's response was tongue-in-cheek (mine was) but, seriously, you're asking pretty specific questions about something you have very little experience with.
Do the distance a few times in races and you'll be an expert. Racing a distance is not the same as running a distance. Not even close. Conditions (temp, humidity), what you ate, how shitty your day was, dehydration, the overcompetitive j-off in the leg warmers who cuts you off and makes you fall. All of these things have an impact on your question. Some are highly unpredictable.
I trained my ass off one time for a race, I was in peak condition, the weather was perfect and I was all set for a PR. Got rear ended on the way to the race and got there 5 minutes after it started. Unpredictable.
It was kind of tongue in cheek, but it sounds about right if normal
training runs are around 10 mpm. Mine are usually around 7:10-7:30,
and I race 10ks at around 6 min pace (same with 8ks too,
unfortunately). The weird thing is that my tempo pace and my 5k race
pace are way too similar.
Thanks again to everyone for the tips. It didn't go terrible, but I only managed an 8:30 pace. Maybe considering the recent overtraining, lack of any speedwork in 4 or 5 months, hot day, etc. it wasn't that bad although I was really hoping to get under 8.
The kinda weird thing was I did the race at a much higher heart rate than expected. I had thought my max heart rate was around 182 prior to the race (I'm 42), based on some past uphill sprinting, but I averaged around 175 on the first 3 miles and 185 on the last 3 miles. Initially I thought this was just pre-race adrenaline and would fall during the race but it just kept gradually rising the whole time. I was pretty steady on the 8:30 pace for almost the whole race.
I was a bit worried during the race, but going just by "feel", it felt only like moderate effort that I could maintain the whole way, as I did. Also, I did briefly walk at the water stops and my heart rate would fall pretty quickly, so I took that to be a good sign. At the end of the race, my heart rate fell about 24 beats in a minute (I never sat or stood, but just walked around).
Anyway, I'm not real sure what to make of all that. Maybe just that my aerobic fitness is even worse than I thought, or maybe that I'm just one of those people with a high exercising heart rate? I felt fine afterwords and had just a small amount of soreness two days later which is really to be expected given that I did 99.9% of my training at a 10 to 11 minute pace.
On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 2:22:35 PM UTC-5, Greene Lantern wrote:
> It was kind of tongue in cheek, but it sounds about right if normal > training runs are around 10 mpm. Mine are usually around 7:10-7:30, > and I race 10ks at around 6 min pace (same with 8ks too, > unfortunately). The weird thing is that my tempo pace and my 5k race > pace are way too similar.
Apologies for bumping my own thread here but just wanted to check how strange it would be to run a 10k at an average heart rate of of a little over 90% of max heart rate? In particular, is this something to worry about? Anybody?
On Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:21:35 AM UTC-5, John (SoLa) wrote:
> Thanks again to everyone for the tips. It didn't go terrible, but I only > managed an 8:30 pace. Maybe considering the recent overtraining, lack of > any speedwork in 4 or 5 months, hot day, etc. it wasn't that bad although I > was really hoping to get under 8.
> The kinda weird thing was I did the race at a much higher heart rate than > expected. I had thought my max heart rate was around 182 prior to the race > (I'm 42), based on some past uphill sprinting, but I averaged around 175 on > the first 3 miles and 185 on the last 3 miles. Initially I thought this > was just pre-race adrenaline and would fall during the race but it just > kept gradually rising the whole time. I was pretty steady on the 8:30 pace > for almost the whole race.
> I was a bit worried during the race, but going just by "feel", it felt > only like moderate effort that I could maintain the whole way, as I did. > Also, I did briefly walk at the water stops and my heart rate would fall > pretty quickly, so I took that to be a good sign. At the end of the race, > my heart rate fell about 24 beats in a minute (I never sat or stood, but > just walked around).
> Anyway, I'm not real sure what to make of all that. Maybe just that my > aerobic fitness is even worse than I thought, or maybe that I'm just one of > those people with a high exercising heart rate? I felt fine afterwords and > had just a small amount of soreness two days later which is really to be > expected given that I did 99.9% of my training at a 10 to 11 minute pace.
> Thoughts, opinions, etc. welcome.
> On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 2:22:35 PM UTC-5, Greene Lantern wrote:
>> It was kind of tongue in cheek, but it sounds about right if normal >> training runs are around 10 mpm. Mine are usually around 7:10-7:30, >> and I race 10ks at around 6 min pace (same with 8ks too, >> unfortunately). The weird thing is that my tempo pace and my 5k race >> pace are way too similar.
Happens to me every time I do a short race (8 miles or less) and I don't worry about it, HR similar to yours, I'll try to find my last 5k last year to refresh my memory... For some reason I didn't catch this thread earlier but my suggestion would have been to not even look at the hr until maybe afterwards.
On Thursday, May 24, 2012 6:18:35 PM UTC-4, John (SoLa) wrote:
> Apologies for bumping my own thread here but just wanted to check how > strange it would be to run a 10k at an average heart rate of of a little > over 90% of max heart rate? In particular, is this something to worry > about? Anybody?
> On Thursday, May 24, 2012 11:21:35 AM UTC-5, John (SoLa) wrote:
>> Thanks again to everyone for the tips. It didn't go terrible, but I only >> managed an 8:30 pace. Maybe considering the recent overtraining, lack of >> any speedwork in 4 or 5 months, hot day, etc. it wasn't that bad although I >> was really hoping to get under 8.
>> The kinda weird thing was I did the race at a much higher heart rate than >> expected. I had thought my max heart rate was around 182 prior to the race >> (I'm 42), based on some past uphill sprinting, but I averaged around 175 on >> the first 3 miles and 185 on the last 3 miles. Initially I thought this >> was just pre-race adrenaline and would fall during the race but it just >> kept gradually rising the whole time. I was pretty steady on the 8:30 pace >> for almost the whole race.
>> I was a bit worried during the race, but going just by "feel", it felt >> only like moderate effort that I could maintain the whole way, as I did. >> Also, I did briefly walk at the water stops and my heart rate would fall >> pretty quickly, so I took that to be a good sign. At the end of the race, >> my heart rate fell about 24 beats in a minute (I never sat or stood, but >> just walked around).
>> Anyway, I'm not real sure what to make of all that. Maybe just that my >> aerobic fitness is even worse than I thought, or maybe that I'm just one of >> those people with a high exercising heart rate? I felt fine afterwords and >> had just a small amount of soreness two days later which is really to be >> expected given that I did 99.9% of my training at a 10 to 11 minute pace.
>> Thoughts, opinions, etc. welcome.
>> On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 2:22:35 PM UTC-5, Greene Lantern wrote:
>>> It was kind of tongue in cheek, but it sounds about right if normal >>> training runs are around 10 mpm. Mine are usually around 7:10-7:30, >>> and I race 10ks at around 6 min pace (same with 8ks too, >>> unfortunately). The weird thing is that my tempo pace and my 5k race >>> pace are way too similar.
"Maybe just that my aerobic fitness is even worse than I thought, or maybe
that I'm just one of those people with a high exercising heart rate?"
Yeah, could be either (although I wonder about if people really do
naturally run with a high HR...). Not that out of the ordinary, I don't
think. Or let me rephrase that, not unlike some of my own efforts. ;)
The heat can definitely throw your HR up by 10bpm, or more, if you're not
acclimated. I've seen my HR rise and fall just from running into and out
of the shade on a hot day.
On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:21 PM, John (SoLa) <eile...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks again to everyone for the tips. It didn't go terrible, but I only
> managed an 8:30 pace. Maybe considering the recent overtraining, lack of
> any speedwork in 4 or 5 months, hot day, etc. it wasn't that bad although I
> was really hoping to get under 8.
> The kinda weird thing was I did the race at a much higher heart rate than
> expected. I had thought my max heart rate was around 182 prior to the race
> (I'm 42), based on some past uphill sprinting, but I averaged around 175 on
> the first 3 miles and 185 on the last 3 miles. Initially I thought this
> was just pre-race adrenaline and would fall during the race but it just
> kept gradually rising the whole time. I was pretty steady on the 8:30 pace
> for almost the whole race.
> I was a bit worried during the race, but going just by "feel", it felt
> only like moderate effort that I could maintain the whole way, as I did.
> Also, I did briefly walk at the water stops and my heart rate would fall
> pretty quickly, so I took that to be a good sign. At the end of the race,
> my heart rate fell about 24 beats in a minute (I never sat or stood, but
> just walked around).
> Anyway, I'm not real sure what to make of all that. Maybe just that my
> aerobic fitness is even worse than I thought, or maybe that I'm just one of
> those people with a high exercising heart rate? I felt fine afterwords and
> had just a small amount of soreness two days later which is really to be
> expected given that I did 99.9% of my training at a 10 to 11 minute pace.
> Thoughts, opinions, etc. welcome.
> On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 2:22:35 PM UTC-5, Greene Lantern wrote:
>> It was kind of tongue in cheek, but it sounds about right if normal
>> training runs are around 10 mpm. Mine are usually around 7:10-7:30,
>> and I race 10ks at around 6 min pace (same with 8ks too,
>> unfortunately). The weird thing is that my tempo pace and my 5k race
>> pace are way too similar.
On Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:35:18 PM UTC-4, Tuck wrote:
> "Maybe just that my aerobic fitness is even worse than I thought, or maybe > that I'm just one of those people with a high exercising heart rate?"
> Yeah, could be either (although I wonder about if people really do > naturally run with a high HR...). Not that out of the ordinary, I don't > think. Or let me rephrase that, not unlike some of my own efforts. ;)
> The heat can definitely throw your HR up by 10bpm, or more, if you're not > acclimated. I've seen my HR rise and fall just from running into and out > of the shade on a hot day.
> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:21 PM, John (SoLa) <eile...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks again to everyone for the tips. It didn't go terrible, but I only >> managed an 8:30 pace. Maybe considering the recent overtraining, lack of >> any speedwork in 4 or 5 months, hot day, etc. it wasn't that bad although I >> was really hoping to get under 8.
>> The kinda weird thing was I did the race at a much higher heart rate than >> expected. I had thought my max heart rate was around 182 prior to the race >> (I'm 42), based on some past uphill sprinting, but I averaged around 175 on >> the first 3 miles and 185 on the last 3 miles. Initially I thought this >> was just pre-race adrenaline and would fall during the race but it just >> kept gradually rising the whole time. I was pretty steady on the 8:30 pace >> for almost the whole race.
>> I was a bit worried during the race, but going just by "feel", it felt >> only like moderate effort that I could maintain the whole way, as I did. >> Also, I did briefly walk at the water stops and my heart rate would fall >> pretty quickly, so I took that to be a good sign. At the end of the race, >> my heart rate fell about 24 beats in a minute (I never sat or stood, but >> just walked around).
>> Anyway, I'm not real sure what to make of all that. Maybe just that my >> aerobic fitness is even worse than I thought, or maybe that I'm just one of >> those people with a high exercising heart rate? I felt fine afterwords and >> had just a small amount of soreness two days later which is really to be >> expected given that I did 99.9% of my training at a 10 to 11 minute pace.
>> Thoughts, opinions, etc. welcome.
>> On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 2:22:35 PM UTC-5, Greene Lantern wrote:
>>> It was kind of tongue in cheek, but it sounds about right if normal >>> training runs are around 10 mpm. Mine are usually around 7:10-7:30, >>> and I race 10ks at around 6 min pace (same with 8ks too, >>> unfortunately). The weird thing is that my tempo pace and my 5k race >>> pace are way too similar.
Luis, Tuck: Thanks, that is reassuring. I guess I just didn't realize how high my heart rate would be. Probably no different than many other times playing basketball/soccer/etc. but I'd just never worn a heart rate monitor then. To be honest, the net effect was probably to slow me down a little more over the first few miles and that was very likely a good thing.
> On Thursday, May 24, 2012 7:35:18 PM UTC-4, Tuck wrote:
>> "Maybe just that my aerobic fitness is even worse than I thought, or >> maybe that I'm just one of those people with a high exercising heart rate?"
>> Yeah, could be either (although I wonder about if people really do >> naturally run with a high HR...). Not that out of the ordinary, I don't >> think. Or let me rephrase that, not unlike some of my own efforts. ;)
>> The heat can definitely throw your HR up by 10bpm, or more, if you're not >> acclimated. I've seen my HR rise and fall just from running into and out >> of the shade on a hot day.
>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 12:21 PM, John (SoLa) <eileail.com<eile...@gmail.com> >> > wrote:
>>> Thanks again to everyone for the tips. It didn't go terrible, but I >>> only managed an 8:30 pace. Maybe considering the recent overtraining, lack >>> of any speedwork in 4 or 5 months, hot day, etc. it wasn't that bad >>> although I was really hoping to get under 8.
>>> The kinda weird thing was I did the race at a much higher heart rate >>> than expected. I had thought my max heart rate was around 182 prior to the >>> race (I'm 42), based on some past uphill sprinting, but I averaged around >>> 175 on the first 3 miles and 185 on the last 3 miles. Initially I thought >>> this was just pre-race adrenaline and would fall during the race but it >>> just kept gradually rising the whole time. I was pretty steady on the 8:30 >>> pace for almost the whole race.
>>> I was a bit worried during the race, but going just by "feel", it felt >>> only like moderate effort that I could maintain the whole way, as I did. >>> Also, I did briefly walk at the water stops and my heart rate would fall >>> pretty quickly, so I took that to be a good sign. At the end of the race, >>> my heart rate fell about 24 beats in a minute (I never sat or stood, but >>> just walked around).
>>> Anyway, I'm not real sure what to make of all that. Maybe just that my >>> aerobic fitness is even worse than I thought, or maybe that I'm just one of >>> those people with a high exercising heart rate? I felt fine afterwords and >>> had just a small amount of soreness two days later which is really to be >>> expected given that I did 99.9% of my training at a 10 to 11 minute pace.
>>> Thoughts, opinions, etc. welcome.
>>> On Wednesday, May 16, 2012 2:22:35 PM UTC-5, Greene Lantern wrote:
>>>> It was kind of tongue in cheek, but it sounds about right if normal >>>> training runs are around 10 mpm. Mine are usually around 7:10-7:30, >>>> and I race 10ks at around 6 min pace (same with 8ks too, >>>> unfortunately). The weird thing is that my tempo pace and my 5k race >>>> pace are way too similar.
I don't think that's too crazy, John. I can ONLY get my HR to its max in a race. Yes, the adrenaline plus all other race factors not present in training contribute to the increase. When I'm training I can't really hit 200 unless I'm going full out but in races, I can hold it for the whole thing. Even the 16 hour ultra I did was a 185 average and there was a LOT of walking in there. If you go down to pre-race levels within 5 minutes of finishing, I'd say you're pretty fit!
On Thursday, May 24, 2012 6:18:35 PM UTC-4, John (SoLa) wrote: > Apologies for bumping my own thread here but just wanted to check how > strange it would be to run a 10k at an average heart rate of of a little > over 90% of max heart rate? In particular, is this something to worry > about? Anybody?
But at that time I was 165-175 the entire race. My theoretical max HR
was 180 at that time, but I was guessing it as probably 178... I have
not seen it above 175 in a long long long time -- probably early 200x
or so.
My LT these days is in the 163-165 range. I'm guessing I can get
bursts into the low to mid 170's during a race...
All that to say that I think it natural for anyone racing to be pretty
high, especially in races under 10 miles. 10 miles is the supposed
natural distance to average just below your LT for a well trained
athlete.
At times I wish I has worn an HRM in a few races, but I never wanted
it to dictate my pacing strategy. Maybe I should run with the read
out hidden, just so I can have it later!
That is exactly what I do Sean, I turn off all the alert tones and vibrations and run my race. I just like to review the data later. I am not competitive racer, but love running in large groups.
> But at that time I was 165-175 the entire race. My theoretical max HR > was 180 at that time, but I was guessing it as probably 178... I have > not seen it above 175 in a long long long time -- probably early 200x > or so.
> My LT these days is in the 163-165 range. I'm guessing I can get > bursts into the low to mid 170's during a race...
> All that to say that I think it natural for anyone racing to be pretty > high, especially in races under 10 miles. 10 miles is the supposed > natural distance to average just below your LT for a well trained > athlete.
> At times I wish I has worn an HRM in a few races, but I never wanted > it to dictate my pacing strategy. Maybe I should run with the read > out hidden, just so I can have it later!
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think that's too crazy, John. I can ONLY get my HR to its max in
> a race. Yes, the adrenaline plus all other race factors not present in
> training contribute to the increase. When I'm training I can't really
> hit 200 unless I'm going full out but in races, I can hold it for the whole
> thing. Even the 16 hour ultra I did was a 185 average and there was a LOT
> of walking in there. If you go down to pre-race levels within 5 minutes of
> finishing, I'd say you're pretty fit!
> On Thursday, May 24, 2012 6:18:35 PM UTC-4, John (SoLa) wrote:
>> Apologies for bumping my own thread here but just wanted to check how
>> strange it would be to run a 10k at an average heart rate of of a little
>> over 90% of max heart rate? In particular, is this something to worry
>> about? Anybody?
It's an oddity for sure. I used to freak out when first started using a monitor. I would actually stop and wait for it to go down to 180 before starting again because I was afraid of a myo infarction. When I realized that this happened every time I went full max, I just gave in and accepted it. Stopped basing my fear on a hypothetical "Maximum" HR. Also stopped wearing the monitor since the irrational fear would always come back whenever I looked down and saw the deuce. None of this translates into good running performance, unfortunately. I sweat like swamp thing and I think the high HR is linked to my body's inability to shed heat effectively. I'd trade it for not having to drink 2 liters of water every 5 miles...
On Friday, May 25, 2012 10:52:30 AM UTC-4, Tuck wrote: > "When I'm training I can't really hit 200 unless I'm going full out but in > races, I can hold it for the whole thing. "
> Yeesh, you're not a human, you're a hummingbird...
That's amazing. My record was 199 mountain biking. I saw stars and nearly
fell over. All of my subsequent mountain biking was an attempt to avoid
that experience again. ;)
And keeping the HR lower allowed me to become a much better climber on the
MTB.
On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Luis Manuel <lmci...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My record is close to 220, I almost s*&%$ my pants. Since starting MAF it
> hasn't happened again. :-)
