I live in Hong Kong and have been able to run barefoot through the winter. That's the good part. The bad part about not having really cold weather is that a lot of things thrive. I was on a long run late last night on a paved path that is mostly, but not entirely, lighted. I came across a cobra on the path (there was no mistaking what it was -- he was displaying his hood as he kept his head up checking me out). He was on the edge of the path, so I was able to get around him. I few minutes past him there was a Filipina walking a dog coming my way. I stopped and warned her that I had seen a cobra on the path. She nonchalantly asked, "Was it a big one?" I said no, holding my hands about three feet apart. She thanked me and continued on her walk.
Later I was paced by a rat for a short distance (without the cobras, I would see a lot more rats).
A year ago a 9 or 10 foot python with perfect timing shot across my path, causing me to have to bound over him to avoid getting knocked off my feet, leaving us both with somewhat elevated heart rates.
Don't have cobras, but we have rattlesnakes. The few I've met are not aggressive and just want to be left alone. I always felt that the few that allowed me to see them had given me a gift.
On Apr 11, 9:17 pm, Gary K <gk0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I live in Hong Kong and have been able to run barefoot through the winter. > That's the good part. The bad part about not having really cold weather is > that a lot of things thrive. I was on a long run late last night on a paved > path that is mostly, but not entirely, lighted. I came across a cobra on > the path (there was no mistaking what it was -- he was displaying his hood > as he kept his head up checking me out). He was on the edge of the path, so > I was able to get around him. I few minutes past him there was a Filipina > walking a dog coming my way. I stopped and warned her that I had seen a > cobra on the path. She nonchalantly asked, "Was it a big one?" I said no, > holding my hands about three feet apart. She thanked me and continued on > her walk.
> Later I was paced by a rat for a short distance (without the cobras, I would > see a lot more rats).
> A year ago a 9 or 10 foot python with perfect timing shot across my path, > causing me to have to bound over him to avoid getting knocked off my feet, > leaving us both with somewhat elevated heart rates.
Yikes!! Certainly puts things in perspective. I am trying not to get grossed out by a few dead possums here and there and scared by the odd racoon crossing my path at my 5:30AM runs. But cobras!!??!!! Helen
On Apr 11, 9:17 pm, Gary K <gk0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I live in Hong Kong and have been able to run barefoot through the winter. > That's the good part. The bad part about not having really cold weather is > that a lot of things thrive. I was on a long run late last night on a paved > path that is mostly, but not entirely, lighted. I came across a cobra on > the path (there was no mistaking what it was -- he was displaying his hood > as he kept his head up checking me out). He was on the edge of the path, so > I was able to get around him. I few minutes past him there was a Filipina > walking a dog coming my way. I stopped and warned her that I had seen a > cobra on the path. She nonchalantly asked, "Was it a big one?" I said no, > holding my hands about three feet apart. She thanked me and continued on > her walk.
> Later I was paced by a rat for a short distance (without the cobras, I would > see a lot more rats).
> A year ago a 9 or 10 foot python with perfect timing shot across my path, > causing me to have to bound over him to avoid getting knocked off my feet, > leaving us both with somewhat elevated heart rates.
Very funny, I was thinking of starting this thread myself after my run on Sunday.
One major drawback to barefoot style running: snakes don't "hear", they sense vibrations through the ground. So I suppose the one good thing about slamming down in sneakers on every foot step is that the snakes can hear you coming and get out of the way.
But once you learn to run softly, you can sneak up on all sorts of wildlife, including snakes.
Fortunately my experience was with a black rat snake. Aside from instilling a momentary panic attack and jig (it was big!), they're harmless.
Something to keep in mind now that the snakes are coming back out...
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:29 AM, helenke <hlongstock...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yikes!! Certainly puts things in perspective. I am trying not to get > grossed out by a few dead possums here and there and scared by the odd > racoon crossing my path at my 5:30AM runs. But cobras!!??!!! > Helen
> On Apr 11, 9:17 pm, Gary K <gk0...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I live in Hong Kong and have been able to run barefoot through the > winter. > > That's the good part. The bad part about not having really cold weather > is > > that a lot of things thrive. I was on a long run late last night on a > paved > > path that is mostly, but not entirely, lighted. I came across a cobra on > > the path (there was no mistaking what it was -- he was displaying his > hood > > as he kept his head up checking me out). He was on the edge of the path, > so > > I was able to get around him. I few minutes past him there was a > Filipina > > walking a dog coming my way. I stopped and warned her that I had seen a > > cobra on the path. She nonchalantly asked, "Was it a big one?" I said > no, > > holding my hands about three feet apart. She thanked me and continued on > > her walk.
> > Later I was paced by a rat for a short distance (without the cobras, I > would > > see a lot more rats).
> > A year ago a 9 or 10 foot python with perfect timing shot across my path, > > causing me to have to bound over him to avoid getting knocked off my > feet, > > leaving us both with somewhat elevated heart rates.
Ask someone who knows about local snakes if a little rattle, such as those used for a cat's collar, will do. Some snakes also poisonous snakes are timid, humans are not their preys and are in fact a danger to them, they will go away if only they are given a chance to hear us. For the europeans, "vipera" snakes will go away.
I'd been thinking about this... that there might be places where running barefoot is just a bad idea due to crawling things - snakes, fire ants, etc. Haven't found any snakes on runs but more than a few rattlesnakes on summer hikes out in utah. The rattle definitely helps keep both the snake and the human safe, but it can scare the bejeezus out of you if you're right up on it.
The good part is with bare feet you have to be more mindful of the trail anyway due to looking out for rocks and sharp things.
On Apr 12, 10:25 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Very funny, I was thinking of starting this thread myself after my run on > Sunday.
> One major drawback to barefoot style running: snakes don't "hear", they > sense vibrations through the ground. So I suppose the one good thing about > slamming down in sneakers on every foot step is that the snakes can hear you > coming and get out of the way.
> But once you learn to run softly, you can sneak up on all sorts of wildlife, > including snakes.
> Fortunately my experience was with a black rat snake. Aside from instilling > a momentary panic attack and jig (it was big!), they're harmless.
> Something to keep in mind now that the snakes are coming back out...
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 8:29 AM, helenke <hlongstock...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yikes!! Certainly puts things in perspective. I am trying not to get > > grossed out by a few dead possums here and there and scared by the odd > > racoon crossing my path at my 5:30AM runs. But cobras!!??!!! > > Helen
> > On Apr 11, 9:17 pm, Gary K <gk0...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I live in Hong Kong and have been able to run barefoot through the > > winter. > > > That's the good part. The bad part about not having really cold weather > > is > > > that a lot of things thrive. I was on a long run late last night on a > > paved > > > path that is mostly, but not entirely, lighted. I came across a cobra on > > > the path (there was no mistaking what it was -- he was displaying his > > hood > > > as he kept his head up checking me out). He was on the edge of the path, > > so > > > I was able to get around him. I few minutes past him there was a > > Filipina > > > walking a dog coming my way. I stopped and warned her that I had seen a > > > cobra on the path. She nonchalantly asked, "Was it a big one?" I said > > no, > > > holding my hands about three feet apart. She thanked me and continued on > > > her walk.
> > > Later I was paced by a rat for a short distance (without the cobras, I > > would > > > see a lot more rats).
> > > A year ago a 9 or 10 foot python with perfect timing shot across my path, > > > causing me to have to bound over him to avoid getting knocked off my > > feet, > > > leaving us both with somewhat elevated heart rates.
Yea, I've come across a rattlesnake but they at least warn you with the rattle which you can hear. A cobra is a whole different story. I don't know what to say about that and luckily I don't have to deal with those types of snakes but I'll say this, if I have to run in a place with Cobras, Black Mambas or anything in that category, loud shoes may be my best friend although with anything I can hold that makes a lot of noise.
Harry
On Apr 12, 2:24 am, jburdine1956 <jburdine1...@gmail.com> wrote
> Don't have cobras, but we have rattlesnakes. The few I've met are not > aggressive and just want to be left alone. I always felt that the few > that allowed me to see them had given me a gift.
> On Apr 11, 9:17 pm, Gary K <gk0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I live in Hong Kong and have been able to run barefoot through the winter. > > That's the good part. The bad part about not having really cold weather is > > that a lot of things thrive. I was on a long run late last night on a paved > > path that is mostly, but not entirely, lighted. I came across a cobra on > > the path (there was no mistaking what it was -- he was displaying his hood > > as he kept his head up checking me out). He was on the edge of the path, so > > I was able to get around him. I few minutes past him there was a Filipina > > walking a dog coming my way. I stopped and warned her that I had seen a > > cobra on the path. She nonchalantly asked, "Was it a big one?" I said no, > > holding my hands about three feet apart. She thanked me and continued on > > her walk.
> > Later I was paced by a rat for a short distance (without the cobras, I would > > see a lot more rats).
> > A year ago a 9 or 10 foot python with perfect timing shot across my path, > > causing me to have to bound over him to avoid getting knocked off my feet, > > leaving us both with somewhat elevated heart rates.
Just to clarify, snakes don't have ears. They can't hear, but they can sense vibrations through the ground. So if you're carrying a bell, it's not going to do any good. They can sense your foot falls, however. Of course the more quietly you're running, the less there is for them to sense.
I have copperheads in my area, and a friend of mine had a copperhead strike at his sneaker last fall. He was quite happy to be wearing the sneaker. Copperheads don't have rattles, and don't like interactions with humans, but will strike if suprised.
I generally encourage my dog to go first, but sometimes he goes off roading and leaves me on my own...
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, HHH <hholli...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yea, I've come across a rattlesnake but they at least warn you with > the rattle which you can hear. A cobra is a whole different story. I > don't know what to say about that and luckily I don't have to deal > with those types of snakes but I'll say this, if I have to run in a > place with Cobras, Black Mambas or anything in that category, loud > shoes may be my best friend although with anything I can hold that > makes a lot of noise.
> Harry
> On Apr 12, 2:24 am, jburdine1956 <jburdine1...@gmail.com> wrote > > Don't have cobras, but we have rattlesnakes. The few I've met are not > > aggressive and just want to be left alone. I always felt that the few > > that allowed me to see them had given me a gift.
> > On Apr 11, 9:17 pm, Gary K <gk0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I live in Hong Kong and have been able to run barefoot through the > winter. > > > That's the good part. The bad part about not having really cold > weather is > > > that a lot of things thrive. I was on a long run late last night on a > paved > > > path that is mostly, but not entirely, lighted. I came across a cobra > on > > > the path (there was no mistaking what it was -- he was displaying his > hood > > > as he kept his head up checking me out). He was on the edge of the > path, so > > > I was able to get around him. I few minutes past him there was a > Filipina > > > walking a dog coming my way. I stopped and warned her that I had seen > a > > > cobra on the path. She nonchalantly asked, "Was it a big one?" I said > no, > > > holding my hands about three feet apart. She thanked me and continued > on > > > her walk.
> > > Later I was paced by a rat for a short distance (without the cobras, I > would > > > see a lot more rats).
> > > A year ago a 9 or 10 foot python with perfect timing shot across my > path, > > > causing me to have to bound over him to avoid getting knocked off my > feet, > > > leaving us both with somewhat elevated heart rates.
If snakes bite you on the feet, rather than on the lower leg, shoes might help, although decent running shoes are so light that, once again, you're screwed. Better to just stay on the couch and watch Steve Irwin reruns. :-)
The nice thing about running BF is that you actually pay attention to the ground twenty feet in front of you instead of zoning to an Ipod and pounding along in a daze. BF is actually much safer.
Gordo
On Apr 11, 10:17 pm, Gary K <gk0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I live in Hong Kong and have been able to run barefoot through the winter. > That's the good part. The bad part about not having really cold weather is > that a lot of things thrive. I was on a long run late last night on a paved > path that is mostly, but not entirely, lighted. I came across a cobra on > the path (there was no mistaking what it was -- he was displaying his hood > as he kept his head up checking me out). He was on the edge of the path, so > I was able to get around him. I few minutes past him there was a Filipina > walking a dog coming my way. I stopped and warned her that I had seen a > cobra on the path. She nonchalantly asked, "Was it a big one?" I said no, > holding my hands about three feet apart. She thanked me and continued on > her walk.
> Later I was paced by a rat for a short distance (without the cobras, I would > see a lot more rats).
> A year ago a 9 or 10 foot python with perfect timing shot across my path, > causing me to have to bound over him to avoid getting knocked off my feet, > leaving us both with somewhat elevated heart rates.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:53 AM, gordo <gaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > If snakes bite you on the feet, rather than on the lower leg, shoes > might help, although decent running shoes are so light that, once > again, you're screwed. Better to just stay on the couch and watch > Steve Irwin reruns. :-)
> The nice thing about running BF is that you actually pay attention to > the ground twenty feet in front of you instead of zoning to an Ipod > and pounding along in a daze. BF is actually much safer.
> Gordo
> On Apr 11, 10:17 pm, Gary K <gk0...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I live in Hong Kong and have been able to run barefoot through the > winter. > > That's the good part. The bad part about not having really cold weather > is > > that a lot of things thrive. I was on a long run late last night on a > paved > > path that is mostly, but not entirely, lighted. I came across a cobra on > > the path (there was no mistaking what it was -- he was displaying his > hood > > as he kept his head up checking me out). He was on the edge of the path, > so > > I was able to get around him. I few minutes past him there was a > Filipina > > walking a dog coming my way. I stopped and warned her that I had seen a > > cobra on the path. She nonchalantly asked, "Was it a big one?" I said > no, > > holding my hands about three feet apart. She thanked me and continued on > > her walk.
> > Later I was paced by a rat for a short distance (without the cobras, I > would > > see a lot more rats).
> > A year ago a 9 or 10 foot python with perfect timing shot across my path, > > causing me to have to bound over him to avoid getting knocked off my > feet, > > leaving us both with somewhat elevated heart rates.
Air transmits vibrations too, in fact many people with low hearing and deaf people rely on vibrations much more than they rely on the residual hearing from the inner ear. The ground is a better transmitter than the air but a little rattle at the ankle, or attached to the sandal / minimalist shoe, will be heard.
They can't hear... :) They have no ears, or "residual hearing from the inner ear", since they don't have inner ears. Read up a bit on how to protect yourself from snake bite. You'll find no mention of wearing a bell or a rattle.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:01 AM, daniela daniela <
daniela.daniela.daniela.dani...@gmail.com> wrote: > Air transmits vibrations too, in fact many people with low hearing and > deaf people rely on vibrations much more than they rely on the > residual hearing from the inner ear. The ground is a better > transmitter than the air but a little rattle at the ankle, or attached > to the sandal / minimalist shoe, will be heard.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:07 AM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > Do let us know how that works out.
> They can't hear... :) They have no ears, or "residual hearing from the > inner ear", since they don't have inner ears. Read up a bit on how to > protect yourself from snake bite. You'll find no mention of wearing a bell > or a rattle.
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:01 AM, daniela daniela < > daniela.daniela.daniela.dani...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Air transmits vibrations too, in fact many people with low hearing and >> deaf people rely on vibrations much more than they rely on the >> residual hearing from the inner ear. The ground is a better >> transmitter than the air but a little rattle at the ankle, or attached >> to the sandal / minimalist shoe, will be heard.
> They can't hear... :) They have no ears, or "residual hearing from the > inner ear", since they don't have inner ears. Read up a bit on how to > protect yourself from snake bite. You'll find no mention of wearing a bell > or a rattle.
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:01 AM, daniela daniela <
> daniela.daniela.daniela.dani...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Air transmits vibrations too, in fact many people with low hearing and > > deaf people rely on vibrations much more than they rely on the > > residual hearing from the inner ear. The ground is a better > > transmitter than the air but a little rattle at the ankle, or attached > > to the sandal / minimalist shoe, will be heard.
andy.southerl...@gmail.com> wrote: > Maybe Russell can craft up a running moc with that snakeproof material > built into the upper.
> On Apr 12, 11:07 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Do let us know how that works out.
> > They can't hear... :) They have no ears, or "residual hearing from the > > inner ear", since they don't have inner ears. Read up a bit on how to > > protect yourself from snake bite. You'll find no mention of wearing a > bell > > or a rattle.
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:01 AM, daniela daniela <
> > daniela.daniela.daniela.dani...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Air transmits vibrations too, in fact many people with low hearing and > > > deaf people rely on vibrations much more than they rely on the > > > residual hearing from the inner ear. The ground is a better > > > transmitter than the air but a little rattle at the ankle, or attached > > > to the sandal / minimalist shoe, will be heard.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:33 AM, gordo <gaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > The Apache did seem to be fond of leggings ...
> Gordo
> On Apr 12, 9:32 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > They did a snakeproof, knee high golf shoe for the King of Nepal, so it > > would be no problem. ;)
> > They didn't mention if the caddies got them also... :)
I think daniela's point was that a snake could feel a sound (in theory) just like you might feel your upstairs neighbor's subwoofer as well as hear it (aka vibrations are vibrations whether you hear them or feel them).
Now I make no claim that a snake can feel the sound of a bell, but I don't know that it couldn't. I would think lower frequency sounds would be felt better, so I would recommend beating a kettle drum as you go. Or maybe if you have a voice like Barry White you can just sing as you go.
On Apr 12, 11:42 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:33 AM, gordo <gaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > The Apache did seem to be fond of leggings ...
> > Gordo
> > On Apr 12, 9:32 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > They did a snakeproof, knee high golf shoe for the King of Nepal, so it > > > would be no problem. ;)
> > > They didn't mention if the caddies got them also... :)
Yeah, I got her point. But I'm not going to be testing that theory. Nothing is more dangerous than a false sense of security. If daniela can prove, against all expectations, that a snake can "hear" a bell, the herpetologists and I will be most impressed.
But I'm guessing she's just got an unproven theory.
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM, John (NoVa) <eile...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think daniela's point was that a snake could feel a sound (in > theory) just like you might feel your upstairs neighbor's subwoofer as > well as hear it (aka vibrations are vibrations whether you hear them > or feel them).
> Now I make no claim that a snake can feel the sound of a bell, but I > don't know that it couldn't. I would think lower frequency sounds > would be felt better, so I would recommend beating a kettle drum as > you go. Or maybe if you have a voice like Barry White you can just > sing as you go.
> On Apr 12, 11:42 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Now that would be *styling*! ;)
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:33 AM, gordo <gaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > The Apache did seem to be fond of leggings ...
> > > Gordo
> > > On Apr 12, 9:32 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > They did a snakeproof, knee high golf shoe for the King of Nepal, so > it > > > > would be no problem. ;)
> > > > They didn't mention if the caddies got them also... :)
> Yeah, I got her point. But I'm not going to be testing that theory. > Nothing is more dangerous than a false sense of security. > If daniela can prove, against all expectations, that a snake can "hear" a > bell, the herpetologists and I will be most impressed.
> But I'm guessing she's just got an unproven theory.
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM, John (NoVa) <eile...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I think daniela's point was that a snake could feel a sound (in > > theory) just like you might feel your upstairs neighbor's subwoofer as > > well as hear it (aka vibrations are vibrations whether you hear them > > or feel them).
> > Now I make no claim that a snake can feel the sound of a bell, but I > > don't know that it couldn't. I would think lower frequency sounds > > would be felt better, so I would recommend beating a kettle drum as > > you go. Or maybe if you have a voice like Barry White you can just > > sing as you go.
> > On Apr 12, 11:42 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Now that would be *styling*! ;)
> > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:33 AM, gordo <gaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The Apache did seem to be fond of leggings ...
> > > > Gordo
> > > > On Apr 12, 9:32 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > They did a snakeproof, knee high golf shoe for the King of Nepal, so > > it > > > > > would be no problem. ;)
> > > > > They didn't mention if the caddies got them also... :)
Although snakes were a consideration, the primary reason for the leggings were the low-level thorns. As John Wayne said in one of his movies, "Everything out here will bite you, stab you, or stick you."
BFFB
On Apr 12, 10:33 am, gordo <gaj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just to clarify, snakes don't have ears. They can't hear, but they can > sense vibrations through the ground. So if you're carrying a bell, it's not > going to do any good. They can sense your foot falls, however. Of course > the more quietly you're running, the less there is for them to sense.
> I have copperheads in my area, and a friend of mine had a copperhead strike > at his sneaker last fall. He was quite happy to be wearing the sneaker. > Copperheads don't have rattles, and don't like interactions with humans, but > will strike if suprised.
> I generally encourage my dog to go first, but sometimes he goes off roading > and leaves me on my own...
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, HHH <hholli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Yea, I've come across a rattlesnake but they at least warn you with > > the rattle which you can hear. A cobra is a whole different story. I > > don't know what to say about that and luckily I don't have to deal > > with those types of snakes but I'll say this, if I have to run in a > > place with Cobras, Black Mambas or anything in that category, loud > > shoes may be my best friend although with anything I can hold that > > makes a lot of noise.
> > Harry
> > On Apr 12, 2:24 am, jburdine1956 <jburdine1...@gmail.com> wrote > > > Don't have cobras, but we have rattlesnakes. The few I've met are not > > > aggressive and just want to be left alone. I always felt that the few > > > that allowed me to see them had given me a gift.
> > > On Apr 11, 9:17 pm, Gary K <gk0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > I live in Hong Kong and have been able to run barefoot through the > > winter. > > > > That's the good part. The bad part about not having really cold > > weather is > > > > that a lot of things thrive. I was on a long run late last night on a > > paved > > > > path that is mostly, but not entirely, lighted. I came across a cobra > > on > > > > the path (there was no mistaking what it was -- he was displaying his > > hood > > > > as he kept his head up checking me out). He was on the edge of the > > path, so > > > > I was able to get around him. I few minutes past him there was a > > Filipina > > > > walking a dog coming my way. I stopped and warned her that I had seen > > a > > > > cobra on the path. She nonchalantly asked, "Was it a big one?" I said > > no, > > > > holding my hands about three feet apart. She thanked me and continued > > on > > > > her walk.
> > > > Later I was paced by a rat for a short distance (without the cobras, I > > would > > > > see a lot more rats).
> > > > A year ago a 9 or 10 foot python with perfect timing shot across my > > path, > > > > causing me to have to bound over him to avoid getting knocked off my > > feet, > > > > leaving us both with somewhat elevated heart rates.
Ear or not ear I don't care :). What I've learned is to stay on the packed dirt roads and run down the middle. I do not run up and down the mountains . . . I'll hike because I'm going slow and looking area but I'm not running it. Where I run, the rattlesnakes are all over the place so we are all warned beforehand. Stay on well traveled trails because the snakes learn where humans generally are, and same with other animals in the mountains.
Harry
On Apr 12, 10:18 am, "John (NoVa)" <eile...@gmail.com> wrote:
> But yes, I'm sure none of us want to test this theory personally!
> On Apr 12, 12:13 pm, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Yeah, I got her point. But I'm not going to be testing that theory. > > Nothing is more dangerous than a false sense of security. > > If daniela can prove, against all expectations, that a snake can "hear" a > > bell, the herpetologists and I will be most impressed.
> > But I'm guessing she's just got an unproven theory.
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:05 PM, John (NoVa) <eile...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > I think daniela's point was that a snake could feel a sound (in > > > theory) just like you might feel your upstairs neighbor's subwoofer as > > > well as hear it (aka vibrations are vibrations whether you hear them > > > or feel them).
> > > Now I make no claim that a snake can feel the sound of a bell, but I > > > don't know that it couldn't. I would think lower frequency sounds > > > would be felt better, so I would recommend beating a kettle drum as > > > you go. Or maybe if you have a voice like Barry White you can just > > > sing as you go.
> > > On Apr 12, 11:42 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > Now that would be *styling*! ;)
> > > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:33 AM, gordo <gaj...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > The Apache did seem to be fond of leggings ...
> > > > > Gordo
> > > > > On Apr 12, 9:32 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > They did a snakeproof, knee high golf shoe for the King of Nepal, so > > > it > > > > > > would be no problem. ;)
> > > > > > They didn't mention if the caddies got them also... :)
On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 6:29 PM, HHH <hholli...@gmail.com> wrote: > Yes, snakes don't have ears. I meant the "noise" for other animals > like mountain lions. I think Bear, Coyote, Mountain Lion and Snake > when I run.
> Harry
> On Apr 12, 8:50 am, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just to clarify, snakes don't have ears. They can't hear, but they can > > sense vibrations through the ground. So if you're carrying a bell, it's > not > > going to do any good. They can sense your foot falls, however. Of > course > > the more quietly you're running, the less there is for them to sense.
> > I have copperheads in my area, and a friend of mine had a copperhead > strike > > at his sneaker last fall. He was quite happy to be wearing the sneaker. > > Copperheads don't have rattles, and don't like interactions with humans, > but > > will strike if suprised.
> > I generally encourage my dog to go first, but sometimes he goes off > roading > > and leaves me on my own...
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:46 AM, HHH <hholli...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > Yea, I've come across a rattlesnake but they at least warn you with > > > the rattle which you can hear. A cobra is a whole different story. I > > > don't know what to say about that and luckily I don't have to deal > > > with those types of snakes but I'll say this, if I have to run in a > > > place with Cobras, Black Mambas or anything in that category, loud > > > shoes may be my best friend although with anything I can hold that > > > makes a lot of noise.
> > > Harry
> > > On Apr 12, 2:24 am, jburdine1956 <jburdine1...@gmail.com> wrote > > > > Don't have cobras, but we have rattlesnakes. The few I've met are > not > > > > aggressive and just want to be left alone. I always felt that the few > > > > that allowed me to see them had given me a gift.
> > > > On Apr 11, 9:17 pm, Gary K <gk0...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I live in Hong Kong and have been able to run barefoot through the > > > winter. > > > > > That's the good part. The bad part about not having really cold > > > weather is > > > > > that a lot of things thrive. I was on a long run late last night > on a > > > paved > > > > > path that is mostly, but not entirely, lighted. I came across a > cobra > > > on > > > > > the path (there was no mistaking what it was -- he was displaying > his > > > hood > > > > > as he kept his head up checking me out). He was on the edge of the > > > path, so > > > > > I was able to get around him. I few minutes past him there was a > > > Filipina > > > > > walking a dog coming my way. I stopped and warned her that I had > seen > > > a > > > > > cobra on the path. She nonchalantly asked, "Was it a big one?" I > said > > > no, > > > > > holding my hands about three feet apart. She thanked me and > continued > > > on > > > > > her walk.
> > > > > Later I was paced by a rat for a short distance (without the > cobras, I > > > would > > > > > see a lot more rats).
> > > > > A year ago a 9 or 10 foot python with perfect timing shot across my > > > path, > > > > > causing me to have to bound over him to avoid getting knocked off > my > > > feet, > > > > > leaving us both with somewhat elevated heart rates.
