"...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain extra padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained. Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to the full benefits of their shoe...."
Ah yes. the old "you can wear minimalist shoes and still get the
support you need" line. Sigh. Like that yoga instructor I had that
was wearing VFFs with plastic arch supports in them. Face... smack.
On Feb 29, 12:19 pm, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete
> research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression
> band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain
> extra padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister
> protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort
> and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained.
> Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular
> minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to
> the full benefits of their shoe...."
If anyone with half a though were to consider this for a minute they would see how ridiculous this is. Just ask yourself how can a 0.5mm fiber provide any shock absorption? Further, how can a stretchy sock counter the hundreds of pounds of pressure running though your arch.
Sigh, but I'm sure people will flock to them because "my trail gloves don't have enough support, I don't want to get injured"
On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
> To a very familiar place:
> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete > research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression > band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain > extra padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister > protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort > and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained. > Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular > minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to > the full benefits of their shoe...."
On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
> To a very familiar place:
> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete > research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression > band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain > extra padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister > protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort > and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained. > Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular > minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to > the full benefits of their shoe...."
On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
> To a very familiar place:
> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete > research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression > band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain > extra padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister > protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort > and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained. > Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular > minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to > the full benefits of their shoe...."
On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Rocky Dave <itsmescottda...@gmail.com> wrote: > If anyone with half a though were to consider this for a minute they would > see how ridiculous this is. Just ask yourself how can a 0.5mm fiber provide > any shock absorption? Further, how can a stretchy sock counter the hundreds > of pounds of pressure running though your arch.
> Sigh, but I'm sure people will flock to them because "my trail gloves don't > have enough support, I don't want to get injured"
> On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
>> To a very familiar place:
>> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete >> research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression >> band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain extra >> padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister >> protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort >> and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained. >> Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular >> minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to >> the full benefits of their shoe...."
> On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
>> To a very familiar place:
>> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete >> research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression >> band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain extra >> padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister >> protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort >> and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained. >> Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular >> minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to >> the full benefits of their shoe...."
> On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
>> To a very familiar place:
>> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete >> research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression >> band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain extra >> padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister >> protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort >> and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained. >> Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular >> minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to >> the full benefits of their shoe...."
One thing compression sleeves do do, probably under the guise of
"support" is provide more proprioception, in the way that taping up an
ankle would - movements are resisted by the material resulting in
haptic feedback. Many a physical therapist has surmised that much of
any benefit to taping and other "weak supportive" apparatuses is due
to this extra feedback.
On Feb 29, 3:24 pm, Doug Sims <wdsim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just feel how soft they are though. They MUST provide some cushioning.
> It feels tight around my foot, it must be supporting my arches,
> because, ya know, they need support and all. :)
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Rocky Dave <itsmescottda...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > If anyone with half a though were to consider this for a minute they would
> > see how ridiculous this is. Just ask yourself how can a 0.5mm fiber provide
> > any shock absorption? Further, how can a stretchy sock counter the hundreds
> > of pounds of pressure running though your arch.
> > Sigh, but I'm sure people will flock to them because "my trail gloves don't
> > have enough support, I don't want to get injured"
> > On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
> >> To a very familiar place:
> >> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete
> >> research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression
> >> band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain extra
> >> padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister
> >> protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort
> >> and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained.
> >> Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular
> >> minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to
> >> the full benefits of their shoe...."
> >>http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/2/prweb9235002.htm > >> The land of Marketing BS: Add enough buzzwords, and you can sell ice to an
> >> Eskimo. ;)
> >> --
> >> _________________________________
> >> Tucker
> > On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
> >> To a very familiar place:
> >> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete
> >> research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression
> >> band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain extra
> >> padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister
> >> protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort
> >> and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained.
> >> Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular
> >> minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to
> >> the full benefits of their shoe...."
> >>http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/2/prweb9235002.htm > >> The land of Marketing BS: Add enough buzzwords, and you can sell ice to an
> >> Eskimo. ;)
> >> --
> >> _________________________________
> >> Tucker
> > On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
> >> To a very familiar place:
> >> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete
> >> research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression
> >> band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain extra
> >> padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister
> >> protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort
> >> and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained.
> >> Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular
> >> minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to
> >> the full benefits of their shoe...."
> >>http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/2/prweb9235002.htm > >> The land of Marketing BS: Add enough buzzwords, and you can sell ice to an
> >> Eskimo. ;)
> >> --
> >> _________________________________
> >> Tucker
maybe the medical and running world got the compression socks from the famous marathon monks in Japan....pretty good track record...they work ;-)
carl will not wear them again unless forced to...
________________________________ From: Andy Southerland <andy.southerl...@gmail.com> To: "Minimalist Runner - Barefoot, Sandals, Shoes" <huaraches@googlegroups.com> Sent: Wed, February 29, 2012 6:41:55 PM Subject: [Minimalist Runner:104151] Re: Where Compression clothes takes you...
One thing compression sleeves do do, probably under the guise of "support" is provide more proprioception, in the way that taping up an ankle would - movements are resisted by the material resulting in haptic feedback. Many a physical therapist has surmised that much of any benefit to taping and other "weak supportive" apparatuses is due to this extra feedback.
On Feb 29, 3:24 pm, Doug Sims <wdsim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just feel how soft they are though. They MUST provide some cushioning.
> It feels tight around my foot, it must be supporting my arches, > because, ya know, they need support and all. :)
> On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Rocky Dave <itsmescottda...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If anyone with half a though were to consider this for a minute they would > > see how ridiculous this is. Just ask yourself how can a 0.5mm fiber provide > > any shock absorption? Further, how can a stretchy sock counter the hundreds > > of pounds of pressure running though your arch.
> > Sigh, but I'm sure people will flock to them because "my trail gloves don't > > have enough support, I don't want to get injured"
> > On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
> >> To a very familiar place:
> >> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete > >> research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression > >> band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain extra > >> padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister > >> protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort > >> and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained. > >> Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular > >> minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to > >> the full benefits of their shoe...."
> >>http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/2/prweb9235002.htm > >> The land of Marketing BS: Add enough buzzwords, and you can sell ice to an > >> Eskimo. ;) > >> -- > >> _________________________________ > >> Tucker
> > On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
> >> To a very familiar place:
> >> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete > >> research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression > >> band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain extra > >> padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister > >> protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort > >> and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained. > >> Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular > >> minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to > >> the full benefits of their shoe...."
> >>http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/2/prweb9235002.htm > >> The land of Marketing BS: Add enough buzzwords, and you can sell ice to an > >> Eskimo. ;) > >> -- > >> _________________________________ > >> Tucker
> > On Wednesday, February 29, 2012 12:19:45 PM UTC-5, Tuck wrote:
> >> To a very familiar place:
> >> "...The new thin running socks were developed based on extensive athlete > >> research and customer feedback. Each sock features a wraparound compression > >> band for arch support and enhanced circulation. The socks also contain extra > >> padding in the toe and heel region for shock absorption and blister > >> protection. The innovative light design provides runners with the comfort > >> and features they seek in a running sock without feeling constrained. > >> Barefoot and minimalist runners appreciate how the socks fit with popular > >> minimalist shoes, allowing them to gain the adequate support in addition to > >> the full benefits of their shoe...."
> >>http://www.prweb.com/releases/2012/2/prweb9235002.htm > >> The land of Marketing BS: Add enough buzzwords, and you can sell ice to an > >> Eskimo. ;) > >> -- > >> _________________________________ > >> Tucker
I hate socks. I will admit though, on a training run in Te one day in February where there was snow on the ground in Mohican State Park, with three planned stream crossings, and 14 degrees when we started..... I chickened out and put on a pair of short, thin socks. I didn't like the feel of them at first but they only really served as a little more insulation, which I probably needed that day. Support, No. I will add te first stream crossing was awesome, the second, ok and the third was more like "at least I can't feel the temp difference this time"!!! Yes. It was that cold, and I swear the mark on my ankle just above my shoe line is from first bite.
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On Feb 29, 2012, at 3:24 PM, Doug Sims <wdsim...@gmail.com> wrote:
Well, I tried combination of sealskinz socks and vb ultras since it's
still bit cold here. Just 9 km run to work. At half way, my calves got
really sore, I stopped and removed socks, no calf pain anymore. My
feet had warmed enough to stay warm for the latter half. Those
sealskinzs are tight fitting, they put a little pressure to toes. I
have encountered this problem before, it really seems that restriction
of toes plus minimal shoes cause more strain to calves. It also
eventually causes groin pain to me. So, compression socks clearly are
not for me.
I also don't understand the logic - how compression could enhance
circulation? Doesn't it decrease it?
-Juha
On 1 maalis, 21:03, runs_with_kona <shin.n....@gmail.com> wrote:
> The wraps the monks use on their legs are not elastic. I don't think they
> will do the same thing as compression socks.
> On Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:40:07 AM UTC+9, Viking Runner wrote:
> > Tuck,
> > maybe the medical and running world got the compression socks from the
> > famous marathon monks in Japan....pretty good track record...they work ;-)
> > carl
> > will not wear them again unless forced to...
> I also don't understand the logic - how compression could enhance > circulation? Doesn't it decrease it?
The theory is that by squeezing the calf muscles, you are creating a kind of extra muscle contraction - as if the muscles themselves are working. Because of this, blood flows to and from those muscles, as if you were exercising (if you are sedentary) or as if you are exercising harder. This stops blood pooling in the lower legs (if you are sedentary) preventing fluid buildup, clotting and so on.
> On 1 maalis, 21:03, runs_with_kona <shin.n....@gmail.com> wrote: >> The wraps the monks use on their legs are not elastic. I don't think they >> will do the same thing as compression socks.
>> On Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:40:07 AM UTC+9, Viking Runner wrote:
>>> Tuck,
>>> maybe the medical and running world got the compression socks from the >>> famous marathon monks in Japan....pretty good track record...they work ;-)
>>> carl >>> will not wear them again unless forced to...
If blood pressure remains the same, and volume is restricted by compression, then the velocity of the blood goes up in the compressed veins. This is helpful for keeping clots from getting stuck, but I agree I don't see how it would increase oxygen or nutrient availability.
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Juha Myllylä <juha.myll...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, I tried combination of sealskinz socks and vb ultras since it's > still bit cold here. Just 9 km run to work. At half way, my calves got > really sore, I stopped and removed socks, no calf pain anymore. My > feet had warmed enough to stay warm for the latter half. Those > sealskinzs are tight fitting, they put a little pressure to toes. I > have encountered this problem before, it really seems that restriction > of toes plus minimal shoes cause more strain to calves. It also > eventually causes groin pain to me. So, compression socks clearly are > not for me.
> I also don't understand the logic - how compression could enhance > circulation? Doesn't it decrease it?
> -Juha
> On 1 maalis, 21:03, runs_with_kona <shin.n....@gmail.com> wrote: >> The wraps the monks use on their legs are not elastic. I don't think they >> will do the same thing as compression socks.
>> On Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:40:07 AM UTC+9, Viking Runner wrote:
>> > Tuck,
>> > maybe the medical and running world got the compression socks from the >> > famous marathon monks in Japan....pretty good track record...they work ;-)
>> > carl >> > will not wear them again unless forced to...
> If blood pressure remains the same, and volume is restricted by > compression, then the velocity of the blood goes up in the compressed > veins. This is helpful for keeping clots from getting stuck, but I > agree I don't see how it would increase oxygen or nutrient > availability.
Because the pressure from the stocking causes the body to think the calf muscle is working hard - which should increase blood flow both to the muscle and away from it (ie. carrying oxygen there and waste material away).
I was "lucky" enough to fracture my ankle some years ago (soccer/football injury), was told that I couldn't fly for 6 weeks because of the risk of blood clots, and afterwards it was suggested by my doctor that I wear compression socks until the fracture was completely healed… The doctor explained it to me. Their use has been studied for medical purposes such as this. But I'm not too sure about non-medical use myself...
> On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 7:25 PM, Juha Myllylä <juha.myll...@gmail.com> wrote: >> Well, I tried combination of sealskinz socks and vb ultras since it's >> still bit cold here. Just 9 km run to work. At half way, my calves got >> really sore, I stopped and removed socks, no calf pain anymore. My >> feet had warmed enough to stay warm for the latter half. Those >> sealskinzs are tight fitting, they put a little pressure to toes. I >> have encountered this problem before, it really seems that restriction >> of toes plus minimal shoes cause more strain to calves. It also >> eventually causes groin pain to me. So, compression socks clearly are >> not for me.
>> I also don't understand the logic - how compression could enhance >> circulation? Doesn't it decrease it?
>> -Juha
>> On 1 maalis, 21:03, runs_with_kona <shin.n....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> The wraps the monks use on their legs are not elastic. I don't think they >>> will do the same thing as compression socks.
>>> On Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:40:07 AM UTC+9, Viking Runner wrote:
>>>> Tuck,
>>>> maybe the medical and running world got the compression socks from the >>>> famous marathon monks in Japan....pretty good track record...they work ;-)
>>>> carl >>>> will not wear them again unless forced to...
Yes, but you have to start from a point where you're nt doing any exercise for this to make sense. If you're exercising already, I don't see the benefit.
On Thursday, March 1, 2012, John Kemp <j...@jkemp.net> wrote: > On Mar 1, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Juha Myllylä wrote:
> […]
>> I also don't understand the logic - how compression could enhance >> circulation? Doesn't it decrease it?
> The theory is that by squeezing the calf muscles, you are creating a kind
of extra muscle contraction - as if the muscles themselves are working. Because of this, blood flows to and from those muscles, as if you were exercising (if you are sedentary) or as if you are exercising harder. This stops blood pooling in the lower legs (if you are sedentary) preventing fluid buildup, clotting and so on.
>> On 1 maalis, 21:03, runs_with_kona <shin.n....@gmail.com> wrote: >>> The wraps the monks use on their legs are not elastic. I don't think they >>> will do the same thing as compression socks.
>>> On Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:40:07 AM UTC+9, Viking Runner wrote:
>>>> Tuck,
>>>> maybe the medical and running world got the compression socks from the >>>> famous marathon monks in Japan....pretty good track record...they work ;-)
>>>> carl >>>> will not wear them again unless forced to...
> Yes, but you have to start from a point where you're nt doing any exercise for this to make sense. If you're exercising already, I don't see the benefit.
Yeah - I would agree with you on first look, but it does seem at least plausible that by compressing already-working muscles the effect *might* be that more blood is drawn to/from the compressed muscles?
Certainly, I think it is likely that wearing compression sleeves will help during the recovery period to avoid blood pooling in your lower legs if you sit after running.
FWIW, even though I already have compression socks, I don't ever thinking about wearing them while running. No theory behind it, just a lack of desire ;)
> On Thursday, March 1, 2012, John Kemp <j...@jkemp.net> wrote: > > On Mar 1, 2012, at 7:25 PM, Juha Myllylä wrote:
> > […]
> >> I also don't understand the logic - how compression could enhance > >> circulation? Doesn't it decrease it?
> > The theory is that by squeezing the calf muscles, you are creating a kind of extra muscle contraction - as if the muscles themselves are working. Because of this, blood flows to and from those muscles, as if you were exercising (if you are sedentary) or as if you are exercising harder. This stops blood pooling in the lower legs (if you are sedentary) preventing fluid buildup, clotting and so on.
> > Cheers,
> > John
> >> -Juha
> >> On 1 maalis, 21:03, runs_with_kona <shin.n....@gmail.com> wrote: > >>> The wraps the monks use on their legs are not elastic. I don't think they > >>> will do the same thing as compression socks.
> >>> On Thursday, March 1, 2012 10:40:07 AM UTC+9, Viking Runner wrote:
> >>>> Tuck,
> >>>> maybe the medical and running world got the compression socks from the > >>>> famous marathon monks in Japan....pretty good track record...they work ;-)
> >>>> carl > >>>> will not wear them again unless forced to...
