At the half, I saw no barefooters. I saw 2 others in trail gloves in addition to myself. Everything else I saw looked more or less like regular sneakers. I am not as good with shoes as I am with cars.
There was 1 barefooter, he was standing near me at the start. He had what
looked like a pair of Lunas in his water-bottle holder (no water bottle).
I would say maybe 30% of the folks were in some sort of minimalist shoe, if
you include the NB Minimus line in that definition. (I'm not that familiar
with the Saucony's, but saw a bunch of those, and I know they have a bunch
of 4mm shoes now...)
Lots of TGs out there, saw a few of the Vivo trail-running shoe (managed to
speak to one guy (Paul) before and afterward, he was pretty happy with
them).
Didn't see any Hokas.
And this was a course that was very minimalist-unfriendly. The training
run last week with Rich was the first time I've wished for more shoe than
the TG. (The TG did fine for the actual race; I adapted).
Feet and legs feel great, went for a walk with the wife, dog, and a friend
a few hours after the race (which was my worst race performance to date).
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Rich Frantz <richfra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> At the half, I saw no barefooters. I saw 2 others in trail gloves in
> addition to myself. Everything else I saw looked more or less like regular
> sneakers. I am not as good with shoes as I am with cars.
> On Monday, 7 May 2012 13:54:55 UTC-4, Oblinkin wrote:
>> What were the most commonly seen shoes?
>> On May 7, 1:51 pm, Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Shoe observations from TNF Endurance Challenge (Gore Tex 50 mile) Bear
>> > Mountain NY footrace:
>> > disclaimer: very unscientific and I had been drinking...
>> > 1. More minimal shoes than I expected
>> > 2. Same # of hokas as VFF (3)
>> > 3. As distances increased from relay mara to mara to 50k to 50 mile,
>> the
>> > shoes got smaller, not bigger...hmmmm....
>> > 4. No barefoots
>> > 5. festive after party featuring beer truck.
>> > Stay tuned for other exciting race reports as I can now run again!!
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There was 1 barefooter, he was standing near me at the start. He had what
> looked like a pair of Lunas in his water-bottle holder (no water bottle).
> I would say maybe 30% of the folks were in some sort of minimalist shoe, if
> you include the NB Minimus line in that definition. (I'm not that familiar
> with the Saucony's, but saw a bunch of those, and I know they have a bunch
> of 4mm shoes now...)
> Lots of TGs out there, saw a few of the Vivo trail-running shoe (managed to
> speak to one guy (Paul) before and afterward, he was pretty happy with
> them).
> Didn't see any Hokas.
> And this was a course that was very minimalist-unfriendly. The training run
> last week with Rich was the first time I've wished for more shoe than the
> TG. (The TG did fine for the actual race; I adapted).
> Feet and legs feel great, went for a walk with the wife, dog, and a friend a
> few hours after the race (which was my worst race performance to date).
> I hope to get a post up later.
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Rich Frantz <richfra...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> At the half, I saw no barefooters. I saw 2 others in trail gloves in
>> addition to myself. Everything else I saw looked more or less like regular
>> sneakers. I am not as good with shoes as I am with cars.
>> On Monday, 7 May 2012 13:54:55 UTC-4, Oblinkin wrote:
>>> What were the most commonly seen shoes?
>>> On May 7, 1:51 pm, Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > Shoe observations from TNF Endurance Challenge (Gore Tex 50 mile) Bear
>>> > Mountain NY footrace:
>>> > disclaimer: very unscientific and I had been drinking...
>>> > 1. More minimal shoes than I expected
>>> > 2. Same # of hokas as VFF (3)
>>> > 3. As distances increased from relay mara to mara to 50k to 50 mile,
>>> > the
>>> > shoes got smaller, not bigger...hmmmm....
>>> > 4. No barefoots
>>> > 5. festive after party featuring beer truck.
>>> > Stay tuned for other exciting race reports as I can now run again!!
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Doug Sims <wdsim...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, Tuck and Rich ran the half, and Sean ran the 50 miler?
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > There was 1 barefooter, he was standing near me at the start. He had
> what
> > looked like a pair of Lunas in his water-bottle holder (no water bottle).
> > I would say maybe 30% of the folks were in some sort of minimalist shoe,
> if
> > you include the NB Minimus line in that definition. (I'm not that
> familiar
> > with the Saucony's, but saw a bunch of those, and I know they have a
> bunch
> > of 4mm shoes now...)
> > Lots of TGs out there, saw a few of the Vivo trail-running shoe (managed
> to
> > speak to one guy (Paul) before and afterward, he was pretty happy with
> > them).
> > Didn't see any Hokas.
> > And this was a course that was very minimalist-unfriendly. The training
> run
> > last week with Rich was the first time I've wished for more shoe than the
> > TG. (The TG did fine for the actual race; I adapted).
> > Feet and legs feel great, went for a walk with the wife, dog, and a
> friend a
> > few hours after the race (which was my worst race performance to date).
> > I hope to get a post up later.
> > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Rich Frantz <richfra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> At the half, I saw no barefooters. I saw 2 others in trail gloves in
> >> addition to myself. Everything else I saw looked more or less like
> regular
> >> sneakers. I am not as good with shoes as I am with cars.
> >> On Monday, 7 May 2012 13:54:55 UTC-4, Oblinkin wrote:
> >>> What were the most commonly seen shoes?
> >>> On May 7, 1:51 pm, Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Shoe observations from TNF Endurance Challenge (Gore Tex 50 mile)
> Bear
> >>> > Mountain NY footrace:
> >>> > disclaimer: very unscientific and I had been drinking...
> >>> > 1. More minimal shoes than I expected
> >>> > 2. Same # of hokas as VFF (3)
> >>> > 3. As distances increased from relay mara to mara to 50k to 50 mile,
> >>> > the
> >>> > shoes got smaller, not bigger...hmmmm....
> >>> > 4. No barefoots
> >>> > 5. festive after party featuring beer truck.
> >>> > Stay tuned for other exciting race reports as I can now run again!!
BTW, for those not familiar with the area, what made in
minimalist-unfriendly was lots of odd-size broken rock, which I think is
put on the trail to slow erosion, although some of it may have been glacial
aggregate. The parts of the trail that didn't have this were no worse than
the usual rocky North East experience...
Hard to tell the most popular shoe exactly (better with beers) but it seemed like every other pair had a giant NB on it. Tony's influence presumably...
I was expecting to see around 10% minimal and I'd estimate I saw about a third. Much excited.
The progression seemed like it was linear...very few minimals (less than 10%) in the relay marathon (10k) up to ~33% in the 50mile.
I wasn't quite trained up for 50 mile yet so I crewed for my teammate who was 15th place at a tit over 9hr. I'd have run the short race on Sunday but was too hung over (see #5 in OP).
Overall, I'd have to say that the minimal shoe situation is improving at a pretty fast clip. Hard to argue with results. Our guy did all his training minimal and wore the MT101s. It was his first ultra and he took top 20 (300 in field) with no blisters and was walking around ok afterward with minimal whining,. This all points to the fact that if you get your feet strong, they end up absorbing most the abuse from the run so it doesn't all end up all over your ass calf and quadriceps.
Sorry, Bear Mountain... I must have the "Black Mountain Monster" on my
mind, a 12 and 24 hour run in Black Mountain, NC. I haven't decided if I'm
going to run it yet....
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:55 PM, Gavor <seanga...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hard to tell the most popular shoe exactly (better with beers) but it seemed
> like every other pair had a giant NB on it. Tony's influence presumably...
> I was expecting to see around 10% minimal and I'd estimate I saw about a
> third. Much excited.
> The progression seemed like it was linear...very few minimals (less than
> 10%) in the relay marathon (10k) up to ~33% in the 50mile.
> I wasn't quite trained up for 50 mile yet so I crewed for my teammate who
> was 15th place at a tit over 9hr. I'd have run the short race on Sunday but
> was too hung over (see #5 in OP).
> Overall, I'd have to say that the minimal shoe situation is improving at a
> pretty fast clip. Hard to argue with results. Our guy did all his training
> minimal and wore the MT101s. It was his first ultra and he took top 20 (300
> in field) with no blisters and was walking around ok afterward with minimal
> whining,. This all points to the fact that if you get your feet strong,
> they end up absorbing most the abuse from the run so it doesn't all end up
> all over your ass calf and quadriceps.
> On Monday, May 7, 2012 1:51:32 PM UTC-4, Gavor wrote:
>> Shoe observations from TNF Endurance Challenge (Gore Tex 50 mile) Bear
>> Mountain NY footrace:
>> disclaimer: very unscientific and I had been drinking...
>> 1. More minimal shoes than I expected
>> 2. Same # of hokas as VFF (3)
>> 3. As distances increased from relay mara to mara to 50k to 50 mile, the
>> shoes got smaller, not bigger...hmmmm....
>> 4. No barefoots
>> 5. festive after party featuring beer truck.
>> Stay tuned for other exciting race reports as I can now run again!!
I ran here last spring. Bear Mountain had many sections that would be
difficult to walk barefoot, let alone run barefoot. My feet were
moderately tender wearing Trail Gloves.
It's interesting there were a few Hokas out there. If I remember,
there were a lot of cambered surfaces, which make Hokas exceedingly
dangerous.
On May 7, 1:47 pm, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW, for those not familiar with the area, what made in
> minimalist-unfriendly was lots of odd-size broken rock, which I think is
> put on the trail to slow erosion, although some of it may have been glacial
> aggregate. The parts of the trail that didn't have this were no worse than
> the usual rocky North East experience...
> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Rich Frantz <richfra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Blackhead Mountain maybe? Never heard of just Black...
> > This is the second year Bear mountain has kicked my butt. I will be there
> > next year, I love it. But gawd Timp is brutal, up and down.
> > On Monday, 7 May 2012 15:32:36 UTC-4, Sean Butler wrote:
> >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> And this was a course that was very minimalist-unfriendly.
> >> I don't know the exact course but I've orienteered around black mountain,
> >> and I'd agree it would be pretty unfriendly to minimalist shoes!
> I ran here last spring. Bear Mountain had many sections that would be
> difficult to walk barefoot, let alone run barefoot. My feet were
> moderately tender wearing Trail Gloves.
> It's interesting there were a few Hokas out there. If I remember,
> there were a lot of cambered surfaces, which make Hokas exceedingly
> dangerous.
> On May 7, 1:47 pm, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's on the other side of the Palisades Parkway.
> > BTW, for those not familiar with the area, what made in
> > minimalist-unfriendly was lots of odd-size broken rock, which I think is
> > put on the trail to slow erosion, although some of it may have been
> glacial
> > aggregate. The parts of the trail that didn't have this were no worse
> than
> > the usual rocky North East experience...
> > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Rich Frantz <richfra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > Blackhead Mountain maybe? Never heard of just Black...
> > > This is the second year Bear mountain has kicked my butt. I will be
> there
> > > next year, I love it. But gawd Timp is brutal, up and down.
> > > On Monday, 7 May 2012 15:32:36 UTC-4, Sean Butler wrote:
> > >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> And this was a course that was very minimalist-unfriendly.
> > >> I don't know the exact course but I've orienteered around black
> mountain,
> > >> and I'd agree it would be pretty unfriendly to minimalist shoes!
> I ran here last spring. Bear Mountain had many sections that would be
> difficult to walk barefoot, let alone run barefoot. My feet were
> moderately tender wearing Trail Gloves.
> It's interesting there were a few Hokas out there. If I remember,
> there were a lot of cambered surfaces, which make Hokas exceedingly
> dangerous.
> On May 7, 1:47 pm, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > It's on the other side of the Palisades Parkway.
> > BTW, for those not familiar with the area, what made in
> > minimalist-unfriendly was lots of odd-size broken rock, which I think is
> > put on the trail to slow erosion, although some of it may have been glacial
> > aggregate. The parts of the trail that didn't have this were no worse than
> > the usual rocky North East experience...
> > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Rich Frantz <richfra...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Blackhead Mountain maybe? Never heard of just Black...
> > > This is the second year Bear mountain has kicked my butt. I will be there
> > > next year, I love it. But gawd Timp is brutal, up and down.
> > > On Monday, 7 May 2012 15:32:36 UTC-4, Sean Butler wrote:
> > >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>> And this was a course that was very minimalist-unfriendly.
> > >> I don't know the exact course but I've orienteered around black mountain,
> > >> and I'd agree it would be pretty unfriendly to minimalist shoes!
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Nick J <nick.je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> My theory is that more people are attracted to ultras these days
> following the worlwide popularity of BTR. (I count myself in that
> group)
> Therefore this new influx of ultra runners, inspired by the great
> McDougall, will be also be inspired to run in minimal shoes.
> That's why you see less minimal shoes in the shorter distance races
> and more in the ultra distance race.
> Or is it that ultra runners are just plain stupid?
> On 7 mai, 23:26, Last Place Jason <robilla...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I ran here last spring. Bear Mountain had many sections that would be
> > difficult to walk barefoot, let alone run barefoot. My feet were
> > moderately tender wearing Trail Gloves.
> > It's interesting there were a few Hokas out there. If I remember,
> > there were a lot of cambered surfaces, which make Hokas exceedingly
> > dangerous.
> > On May 7, 1:47 pm, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > It's on the other side of the Palisades Parkway.
> > > BTW, for those not familiar with the area, what made in
> > > minimalist-unfriendly was lots of odd-size broken rock, which I think
> is
> > > put on the trail to slow erosion, although some of it may have been
> glacial
> > > aggregate. The parts of the trail that didn't have this were no worse
> than
> > > the usual rocky North East experience...
> > > On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 3:41 PM, Rich Frantz <richfra...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > Blackhead Mountain maybe? Never heard of just Black...
> > > > This is the second year Bear mountain has kicked my butt. I will be
> there
> > > > next year, I love it. But gawd Timp is brutal, up and down.
> > > > On Monday, 7 May 2012 15:32:36 UTC-4, Sean Butler wrote:
> > > >> On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Tuck <tuck...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >>> And this was a course that was very minimalist-unfriendly.
> > > >> I don't know the exact course but I've orienteered around black
> mountain,
> > > >> and I'd agree it would be pretty unfriendly to minimalist shoes!
Its been way too long. Haven't raced since Sep 2010 when my leg came apart. I delayed my recovery approx 1 year by refusing to get surgery. I thought that if I could "work out" the scar tissue then I could do the same with the chunks of articular cartilage floating around in there. Not so. I did clear the scar tissue but the cartilage didn't seem to want to clear out on its own no matter how much stretching/bike/lifting I did. Had to have Dr Q go in with the little hose and suck it all out (Oct 2011) and I've been at work rebuilding my VMO since. It pretty much shrunk down to nothing from all the limping around and lack of load. But it's a lot closer now, I'd say 70% of the good one. I can run slow for a half hour now so I'm ready for 5k. I'll have to run it barefoot to make sure I don't run too fast and hurt it again. Good thing I already learned how to do that. The bird is restless...
