Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran really hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for it. So, I started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday. Man, do I have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran really
> hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for it. So, I
> started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday. Man, do I
> have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:11:40 PM UTC-4, Tuck wrote:
> Never. :) But you probably knew that, right?
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran really >> hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for it. So, I >> started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday. Man, do I >> have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
>> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
I am lazy so don't do it as much as I would like, but I am pretty sure it
is good to do every day especially if you have major trigger points. You
should try using a lacrosse ball. It gets in a lot deeper.
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:13 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep, figured as much. ;-)
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:11:40 PM UTC-4, Tuck wrote:
>> Never. :) But you probably knew that, right?
>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran
>>> really hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for
>>> it. So, I started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday.
>>> Man, do I have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
>>> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:19:06 PM UTC-4, ebank wrote:
> I am lazy so don't do it as much as I would like, but I am pretty sure it > is good to do every day especially if you have major trigger points. You > should try using a lacrosse ball. It gets in a lot deeper.
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:13 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yep, figured as much. ;-)
>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:11:40 PM UTC-4, Tuck wrote:
>>> Never. :) But you probably knew that, right?
>>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran >>>> really hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for >>>> it. So, I started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday. >>>> Man, do I have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
>>>> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:22 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm nearly crying with just the stick. I may graduate to the ball once the
> more painful points are worked out.
> scott
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:19:06 PM UTC-4, ebank wrote:
>> I am lazy so don't do it as much as I would like, but I am pretty sure it
>> is good to do every day especially if you have major trigger points. You
>> should try using a lacrosse ball. It gets in a lot deeper.
>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:13 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Yep, figured as much. ;-)
>>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 4:11:40 PM UTC-4, Tuck wrote:
>>>> Never. :) But you probably knew that, right?
>>>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran
>>>>> really hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for
>>>>> it. So, I started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday.
>>>>> Man, do I have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
>>>>> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
As of the last few weeks I am doing it every single day and man is it
awesome. Hurt like hell at first, I also had a lot of trigger points
on my legs and especially in my glutes. Oh yeah, don't forget
shoulders. The legs feel really good now, the foam roller still hits a
sweet spot sometimes but for the most part it just feels like a
massage. Shoulders need some work though, heh.
I've heard advice everywhere from multiple times a day to get one good
massage and then give your body a few days to dump the loosened toxins.
Personally, I keep doing it until it stops making things feel better. I
use the lacrosse ball, and sometimes I get a bruise in the course of
working out the muscle and have to let that heal before I can work it again.
> I've heard advice everywhere from multiple times a day to get one good
> massage and then give your body a few days to dump the loosened toxins.
> Personally, I keep doing it until it stops making things feel better. I
> use the lacrosse ball, and sometimes I get a bruise in the course of
> working out the muscle and have to let that heal before I can work it again.
I doubt that one could bring on Rhabdo using a foam roller or a lacrosse
ball (one hopes not) but if you're new to it, it might not be a bad idea to
give your muscles a chance to heal...
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 5:39 PM, Andy Southerland <andy.southerl...@gmail.com
> wrote:
> >give your body a few days to dump the loosened toxins
> Sorry my BS alarm went off with the mention of "loosened toxins" as
> I'm sure yours did when you heard it. Not to say massage isn't
> helpful...
> On May 2, 5:20 pm, Denise Skidmore <deniseskidm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I've heard advice everywhere from multiple times a day to get one good
> > massage and then give your body a few days to dump the loosened toxins.
> > Personally, I keep doing it until it stops making things feel better. I
> > use the lacrosse ball, and sometimes I get a bruise in the course of
> > working out the muscle and have to let that heal before I can work it
> again.
The trigger point book recommends several times per day. That's
gently, several times per day. You shouldn't have water running down
your face from any source. There's a line between loosening it up and
pissing it off even more that you really don't want to cross. When in
doubt, do less, more often. Ice can also help reduce the inflammation,
if you believe that's a good thing. When I hurt a lot, I do.
Gordo
On May 2, 2:05 pm, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran really
> hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for it. So, I
> started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday. Man, do I
> have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran really
> hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for it. So, I
> started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday. Man, do I
> have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
From an emergency medicine perspective, rhabdomyolysis from a roller would only be suspected if you were severely beaten by it, enough to cause extensive muscle trauma, or to have been rendered unconscious for enough hours to cause tissue breakdown at pressure points. But hey, do what makes you feel good.
While I am a huge fan of deep muscle massage and sometimes go to myself and recommend a sports massage therapist I am skeptical of "releasing toxins" being a problem to anyone with normal kidney function. (Beware ibuprofen addicts!). Here is as good of an explanation of the toxin release theory that I can find on a non-subscription site. http://www.treatmentmassage.com/understanding-your-body/toxin-release...
"From an emergency medicine perspective, rhabdomyolysis from a roller would
only be suspected if you were severely beaten by it, enough to cause
extensive muscle trauma, or to have been rendered unconscious for enough
hours to cause tissue breakdown at pressure points. But hey, do what makes
you feel good."
Lol. I suspect you're right, although people have gotten rhabdo from hard
workouts... My point wasn't that the foam roller would give you rhabdo, it
was that doing damage to muscles is hard on the body, and requires a time
to recover.
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 9:20 PM, David <depro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> From an emergency medicine perspective, rhabdomyolysis from a roller would
> only be suspected if you were severely beaten by it, enough to cause
> extensive muscle trauma, or to have been rendered unconscious for enough
> hours to cause tissue breakdown at pressure points. But hey, do what makes
> you feel good.
> While I am a huge fan of deep muscle massage and sometimes go to myself
> and recommend a sports massage therapist I am skeptical of "releasing
> toxins" being a problem to anyone with normal kidney function. (Beware
> ibuprofen addicts!). Here is as good of an explanation of the toxin release
> theory that I can find on a non-subscription site.
> http://www.treatmentmassage.com/understanding-your-body/toxin-release...
> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran really hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for it. So, I started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday. Man, do I have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
I noticed a correlation between tight calves and sore achilles not too long ago and started using the stick (actually mine is Muscletrac, not The Stick) a few times a day if I remember. My achilles and heels are, most of the time, no longer sore. How often probably depends on how much you need to work your muscles. I don't remember to roll out my calves as often now that I don't have as much of an incentive, I'm sure at some point I'll have to step it up again. :)
> > Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran really hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for it. So, I started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday. Man, do I have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
> > How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
> I noticed a correlation between tight calves and sore achilles not too long ago and started using the stick (actually mine is Muscletrac, not The Stick) a few times a day if I remember. My achilles and heels are, most of the time, no longer sore. How often probably depends on how much you need to work your muscles. I don't remember to roll out my calves as often now that I don't have as much of an incentive, I'm sure at some point I'll have to step it up again. :)
On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 6:24:51 PM UTC-4, gordo wrote:
> The trigger point book recommends several times per day. That's > gently, several times per day. You shouldn't have water running down > your face from any source. There's a line between loosening it up and > pissing it off even more that you really don't want to cross. When in > doubt, do less, more often. Ice can also help reduce the inflammation, > if you believe that's a good thing. When I hurt a lot, I do.
> Gordo
> On May 2, 2:05 pm, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran > really > > hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for it. > So, I > > started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday. Man, do I > > have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
> > How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
I'm doing something similar to the "bone saw calf smash" with the foam roller and the stick. It's way more intense than just the foam roller (which is pretty tame on my trigger points). Thanks for the links.
> (in the past I have used my foam roller in place of the steel pipe shown > in the vid, and put either my 4yo son or a 50 lb. sandbag on my leg)
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran really >> hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for it. So, I >> started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday. Man, do I >> have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
>> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm doing something similar to the "bone saw calf smash" with the foam
> roller and the stick. It's way more intense than just the foam roller
> (which is pretty tame on my trigger points).
> Thanks for the links.
> Scott
> On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:00:14 PM UTC-4, JZ wrote:
>> It seems like these exercises might be too much for you right now, but
>> here they are anyway, for your "enjoyment"...
>> (in the past I have used my foam roller in place of the steel pipe shown
>> in the vid, and put either my 4yo son or a 50 lb. sandbag on my leg)
>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran
>>> really hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for
>>> it. So, I started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday.
>>> Man, do I have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
>>> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
Yep, those are great videos too. I spent all last week rolling out some nasty knots in my calfs every day in the gym, and my achilles is feeling much better now.
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm doing something similar to the "bone saw calf smash" with the foam >> roller and the stick. It's way more intense than just the foam roller >> (which is pretty tame on my trigger points). >> Thanks for the links.
>> Scott
>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:00:14 PM UTC-4, JZ wrote:
>>> It seems like these exercises might be too much for you right now, but >>> here they are anyway, for your "enjoyment"...
>>> (in the past I have used my foam roller in place of the steel pipe shown >>> in the vid, and put either my 4yo son or a 50 lb. sandbag on my leg)
>>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran >>>> really hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for >>>> it. So, I started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday. >>>> Man, do I have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
>>>> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
On Mon, May 7, 2012 at 10:48 AM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yep, those are great videos too. I spent all last week rolling out some
> nasty knots in my calfs every day in the gym, and my achilles is feeling
> much better now.
> Scott
> On Sunday, May 6, 2012 1:46:13 PM UTC-4, JZ wrote:
>> If you liked those, you might like these too...
>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm doing something similar to the "bone saw calf smash" with the foam
>>> roller and the stick. It's way more intense than just the foam roller
>>> (which is pretty tame on my trigger points).
>>> Thanks for the links.
>>> Scott
>>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:00:14 PM UTC-4, JZ wrote:
>>>> It seems like these exercises might be too much for you right now, but
>>>> here they are anyway, for your "enjoyment"...
>>>> (in the past I have used my foam roller in place of the steel pipe
>>>> shown in the vid, and put either my 4yo son or a 50 lb. sandbag on my leg)
>>>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran
>>>>> really hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for
>>>>> it. So, I started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday.
>>>>> Man, do I have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
>>>>> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
On May 2, 4:05 pm, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
Personally I think you can work your calves better with your thumbs.
If I feel tight, I'll work them 2 or three times in the day. Most
days I don't feel I need it at all. Go by feel.
I use the stick for calf pain when neccessary and on my hamstrings after
long runs, but I try to use the foam roller every other day on my IT band.
Almost all my issues over 20 years of running have been caused by that
sucker. A little foam roller a day keeps the PT away.
> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 10:21 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm doing something similar to the "bone saw calf smash" with the foam
>> roller and the stick. It's way more intense than just the foam roller
>> (which is pretty tame on my trigger points).
>> Thanks for the links.
>> Scott
>> On Wednesday, May 2, 2012 9:00:14 PM UTC-4, JZ wrote:
>>> It seems like these exercises might be too much for you right now, but
>>> here they are anyway, for your "enjoyment"...
>>> (in the past I have used my foam roller in place of the steel pipe shown
>>> in the vid, and put either my 4yo son or a 50 lb. sandbag on my leg)
>>> On Wed, May 2, 2012 at 4:05 PM, derscott <dersc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well, I have made my right calf and achilles very, very angry. Ran
>>>> really hard in last weekend's trail half marathon and now I'm paying for
>>>> it. So, I started using the foam and stick roller at the gym yesterday.
>>>> Man, do I have some serious trigger points in my gastrocs!
>>>> How often do you folks roll (if you do at all)? Every day? Every other?
Glad you enjoyed the videos. One thought that occurs to me is that if
you continually have IT band issues, it might be that something is off
with your biomechanics somewhere (which might be fixable and therefore
you could prevent the issue in the first place).
On 5/24/12, Diane Kerstein <mis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I use the stick for calf pain when neccessary and on my hamstrings after
> long runs, but I try to use the foam roller every other day on my IT band.
> Almost all my issues over 20 years of running have been caused by that
> sucker. A little foam roller a day keeps the PT away.
