Repukeblican TRAITORS show their true colors -- YELLOW.
Juan
I think it's hilarious how all the right wing repukeblican traitors
like Rush Limpbaugh are now terrified to the point of pissing
themselves in their pants at the thought of actually bringing the
mastermind behind 9/11 to a NYC courtroom to stand trial for his
crimes. What a gaggle of yellow-striped cowards! After all these
years, NOW they turn tail and run to mama screaming like little girls
that the boogeyman is coming? When it is time to uphold our values and
show the world we mean what we say when we tell everyone we're the
greatest nation on earth?
You right wing pukes are pathetic! You want to deny the families of
9/11 victims the chance to confront the person behind the deaths of
their loved ones? And for what? Because you're a bunch of chickenshit
fraidy-cat lily-liver yellow-bellied WIMPS? Only REAL MEN would decide
to go through this process of justice to show everyone what it REALLY
means to believe in our Constitution and Bill of Rights. The rest of
you numbnutz pussies can stay in your pathetic closets with your
pathetic families and your pathetic GOP abortion insurance policies.
The true America will move on without you because we don't need
"patriotic" traitors among us.
Al
<e2c1dc67-cff5-4acc...@o31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Juan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1939374,00.html
>
> I think it's hilarious
> "patriotic" traitors among us.
Kinda strange when the America-hating raging anti-semetic college
dropout former USMC grease monkey freelance (unemployed) IT geek runs
around the net screaming TRAITOR, when he openly sympathizes with
radical Islamists, and the Iranian regime which contributed so much to
the killing of our military in Iraq.
Small wonder that the term "fraud" has been applied to Juan Jimenez so
often, I mean really, laughing about 9-11 and valiantly defending the
jihadi who shot up Ft. Hood?
Yeah, Juan Jimenez is a true blue Patriot LOL.
Since you admit that you were fired from your last job for reasons that
made no sense, can we assume that they were just looking for a way to
dump you ASAP? I think anyone who reads your clown act on the internet
knows why you got fired, you're a fucking NUT.
And here you are now, reduced to using a closet at your wife's art
studio in Boston, in winter, instead of living in your "million dollar
condo" in San Juan, trolling usenet, looking for some freelance gigs.
Does she charge you rent?
Whatever trade the USMC taught, they sure as hell didn't make much of a
man out of you. I'd wager they were also happy to see you go.
Maybe you have so much free time on your hands because people google you
when they see you begging for work, and they don't like what they see?
Just a hunch, but I don't think any sane person would let you anywhere
near their servers, amigo. Looks like your slime campaign kinda
backfired, eh pend�jo?
Liars never prosper, little man.
Juan
>
> Kinda strange...
<nonsense snipped>
Is that the best comeback you can muster, asswipe? LOL!
A putz who claims another man's child as his own and lies about being
a veteran parent has no standing to claim any credibility, here or
anywhere else. Try the uk singles newsgroups where you hang out
fishing for anything that'll bite on your sob stories. Maybe you'll
get some respect there.
Al
<76a37245-f209-4c66...@x16g2000vbk.googlegroups.com>,
Juan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 14, 11:06�am, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Kinda strange...
>
> <nonsense snipped>
<thread restored>
> Is that the best comeback you can muster, asswipe? LOL!
>
> A putz who claims another man's child as his own and lies about being
> a veteran parent has no standing to claim any credibility
Oh, so THAT's what you mean when you call me a tax cheat.
It's perfectly legal to claim a stepchild as a dependent.
I guess since you were just a putz peacetime grease-monkey in the Corps,
you feel small around actual combat veterans, their parents, and even
their step-parents.
And it causes you to act out by calling them cowards and shitbirds, and
cheering the people who seek to kill them.
You're a bit of a disgusting little cunt, and I enjoy proving it, time
after time after time...
Mitchell Holman
eb9247...@o31g2000vbi.googlegroups.com:
Funny that Republicans didn't object when Bush Sr
prosecuted Manuel Noriega in an American courtroom
(and convicted him) or when Clinton prosecuted the 1993
WTC bombers in an American courtroom (and convicted all
of them) but are now aghast that Obama might prosecute
the 2001 WTC bombers in an American courtroom.
What gives?
Al
Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
Funny, Obama approved of Military Commissions specifically for KSM in
2006.
What gives?
This is a tremendous victory for al-Qaida, and the left.
In case you haven't figured it out yet, this is actually a proxy trial
for the Bush administration.
Mitchell Holman
news:Va6dnRiobZL06p3W...@giganews.com:
All by himself? Wow, the junior Senator from Illinois
sure has a lot of power in your parallel universe.
>
> What gives?
>
> This is a tremendous victory for al-Qaida, and the left.
No, falling for bin Ladens bait to start a
crusade against Islam was the victory for Al Queda.
Or haven't you noticed their attacks have gone
UP since Bush's failed "war on terrorism"?
>
> In case you haven't figured it out yet, this is actually a proxy trial
> for the Bush administration.
You make that sound like a negative.
Al
Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
No, but he has reversed his position.
> Wow, the junior Senator from Illinois
> sure has a lot of power in your parallel universe.
Maybe because he is the president now.
> > What gives?
> >
> > This is a tremendous victory for al-Qaida, and the left.
>
>
> No, falling for bin Ladens bait to start a
> crusade against Islam was the victory for Al Queda.
Did we start that crusade before or after the numerous islamist attacks
dating from the shores of tripoli? Why are they victims?
> Or haven't you noticed their attacks have gone
> UP since Bush's failed "war on terrorism"?
It is true that Muslims are still killing Muslims wherever Muslims live,
but not so much in Iraq now as pakistan and other Muslim hotbeds of
discontent.
Iraq is safer than Mexico, by the numbers.
> > In case you haven't figured it out yet, this is actually a proxy trial
> > for the Bush administration.
>
>
> You make that sound like a negative.
It is for the US, but not for the left. As usual.
Logically, you would hope for KSM to be found innocent, because the
methods Bush used to extract the confessions are not admissable in US
court.
Would not the releases of KSM validate your position?
Mitchell Holman
news:IL2dnaSnnt13VZ3W...@giganews.com:
So? Bush made a career of flip-flopping.
>
>
>> Wow, the junior Senator from Illinois
>> sure has a lot of power in your parallel universe.
>
> Maybe because he is the president now.
>
To the relief of a grateful world.
>
>> > What gives?
>> >
>> > This is a tremendous victory for al-Qaida, and the left.
>>
>>
>> No, falling for bin Ladens bait to start a
>> crusade against Islam was the victory for Al Queda.
>
> Did we start that crusade before or after the numerous islamist
> attacks dating from the shores of tripoli?
So why do you think they hate us?
>> Or haven't you noticed their attacks have gone
>> UP since Bush's failed "war on terrorism"?
>
> It is true that Muslims are still killing Muslims wherever Muslims
> live, but not so much in Iraq now as pakistan and other Muslim hotbeds
> of discontent.
>
> Iraq is safer than Mexico, by the numbers.
Proof?
>
>> > In case you haven't figured it out yet, this is actually a proxy
>> > trial for the Bush administration.
>>
>>
>> You make that sound like a negative.
>
> It is for the US, but not for the left. As usual.
>
> Logically, you would hope for KSM to be found innocent, because the
> methods Bush used to extract the confessions are not admissable in US
> court.
>
> Would not the releases of KSM validate your position?
No, a public trial in accordance with the laws we set
for ourselves would be a vindication. You do believe in
uploading the law, don't you?
Al
Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
Well, actually, not really.
But I get your point. Obama can't do *anything* wrong because, at some
point in the past, someone else has done it too.
You're really tough on your leaders, dude. Hold them to those high
standards!
> >
> >> Wow, the junior Senator from Illinois
> >> sure has a lot of power in your parallel universe.
> >
> > Maybe because he is the president now.
> >
>
>
> To the relief of a grateful world.
Your Disneyesque view of "the world" is amusing, I'ds wage you believe
that "Americans" are relieved and grateful that Obama was elected.
All nice and monolithic and black and white, it's that liberal "nuance".
There are some specific people who are grateful Obama was elected. They
would be the Russians, Chinese, and the leftist and totalitarian regimes
around the world.
I hear he's liked in Africa, unlike Bush, whom was merely loved - but
he's liked because of who and what he *is*, while Bush is was loved
because of what he's *done*.
> >> > What gives?
> >> >
> >> > This is a tremendous victory for al-Qaida, and the left.
> >>
> >>
> >> No, falling for bin Ladens bait to start a
> >> crusade against Islam was the victory for Al Queda.
> >
> > Did we start that crusade before or after the numerous islamist
> > attacks dating from the shores of tripoli?
>
>
> So why do you think they hate us?
I'm assuming you're referring to Americans when you say "us", and "they"
refers to conservative Muslims - Islamists.
The islamists have been telling us "why" for centuries, it's not too
hard to figure out. Islamists have no hidden agenda in their platform,
no ambiguity.
And I take them at their word.
> >> Or haven't you noticed their attacks have gone
> >> UP since Bush's failed "war on terrorism"?
> >
> > It is true that Muslims are still killing Muslims wherever Muslims
> > live, but not so much in Iraq now as pakistan and other Muslim hotbeds
> > of discontent.
> >
> > Iraq is safer than Mexico, by the numbers.
>
>
> Proof?
Get a body-count widget for your desktop. Month-to-month, the numbers
vary. And Mexicans are hobbled by their over-reaching ROE, they tend to
be more specific in their targeting than the Muslims, who use the
opposite approach - they want the big numbers, big showy carnage, to say
"look what happens when you fight against us, we kill our own"
How do you say "Move and the Muzzie gets it" in farsi?
> >> > In case you haven't figured it out yet, this is actually a proxy
> >> > trial for the Bush administration.
> >>
> >>
> >> You make that sound like a negative.
> >
> > It is for the US, but not for the left. As usual.
> >
> > Logically, you would hope for KSM to be found innocent, because the
> > methods Bush used to extract the confessions are not admissable in US
> > court.
> >
> > Would not the releases of KSM validate your position?
>
>
> No, a public trial in accordance with the laws we set
> for ourselves would be a vindication. You do believe in
> uploading the law, don't you?
He was already perfectly legal, there is no issue there at all.
It is a strategic move, but for political, not National Security
considerations.
A very revealing move on Obama's part.
Mitchell Holman
dnWJpzYIuRJzWn...@giganews.com:
> In article <Xns9CC54CB1F7AA5...@216.196.97.130>,
> Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Al <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Funny that Republicans didn't object when Bush Sr
>> >> >> prosecuted Manuel Noriega in an American courtroom
>> >> >> (and convicted him) or when Clinton prosecuted the 1993
>> >> >> WTC bombers in an American courtroom (and convicted all
>> >> >> of them) but are now aghast that Obama might prosecute
>> >> >> the 2001 WTC bombers in an American courtroom.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What gives?
>> >> >
>> >> > Funny, Obama approved of Military Commissions specifically for
KSM
>> >> > in 2006.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> All by himself?
>> >
>> >
>> > No, but he has reversed his position.
>>
>>
>> So? Bush made a career of flip-flopping.
>
> Well, actually, not really.
FLIP: 2004 - Bush is against comparing Iraq to Vietnam
FLOP: 2007 - Bush himself compares Iraq to Vietnam
FLIP: Bush says he won't intervene in the Libby case until
the appeals process is completed.
FLOP: Bush commutes Libby while the case is under appeal.
FLIP "We'll stay the course." George Bush 4/13/04
FLOP:"We've never been 'stay the course'" George Bush 10/22/06
FLIP: Bush says we are winning the war in Iraq
FLOP: Bush says we are not winning the war in Iraq
FLIP: Bush says Rumsfeld will stay on thru 2008
FLOP: Bush fires Rumsfeld a week later
FLIP: Bush says he will fire anyone who leaked classified intel.
FLOP: Bush admits he leaked classified intel to Bob Woodward.
FLIP: Bush says wiretaps will be only via court order.
FLOP: Bush admits he was conducting warrantless taps at the time.
FLIP: Bush nominates Harriet Miers, says he with stand by her.
FLOP: Bush withdraws her nomination in face of rightwing flak.
FLIP: Bush says he will veto any bill that limits torture.
FLOP: Bush says he will sign the torture ban after all.
FLIP: Bush opposes campaign finance reform.
FLOP: Bush signs campaign finance reform.
FLIP: Bush says he is for state's rights.
FLOP: Bush sues Oregon to overturn their assisted suicide law.
FLIP: Bush opposes and stalls a 9/11 commission.
FLOP: Bush supports it.
FLIP: Bush is against deficits
FLOP: Bush's policies create the highest deficits ever.
FLIP: Bush is against nation building.
FLOP: Bush engages in it.
FLIP: Bush opposes an Iraq WMD investigation.
FLOP: Bush grudgingly supports it.
FLIP: Bush is for free trade.
FLOP: Bush imposes tariffs on steel.
FLIP: Bush is against a Homeland Security Department
FLOP: Bush takes credit for it.
FLIP: Bush is for states' to decide on gay marriage.
FLOP: Bush then proposes amending the Constitution so they can't.
FLIP: Bush is against the U.S. taking a role in the Israeli
Palestinian conflict.
FLOP: Bush then pushes for a "road map" and a Palestinian State.
FLIP: Bush says he'll provide money for first responders (fire,
police, emergency).
FLOP: Bush dramatically shortchanges law enforcement.
FLIP: Bush in 2001-"The most important thing is for us to find
Osama bin Laden."
FLOP: Bush in 2002-"I don't know where he is. I have no idea and
I really don't care."
FLIP: Bush says he'll take care of the environment.
FLOP: Bush then guts laws that protect the environment.
FLIP: Bush talks about helping education.
FLOP: Bush increases mandates while cutting funding.
FLIP: Bush said he would demand a U.N. Security Council vote
on whether to sanction military action against Iraq.
FLOP: Bush then changes his mind and announced he would not
call for a vote.
FLIP: Bush said the "mission accomplished" banner was put up
by the sailors.
FLOP: Bush later blames his advance team.
FLIP: Bush says he was never arrested after 1968.
FLOP: Bush admits 1976 drunk driving conviction.
FLIP: Bush says he has been "very candid" about his past.
FLOP: Bush refuses to answer any question about drug use.
FLIP: Bush says he would have gone to Vietnam if called.
FLOP: Guard papers show he declined any overseas duty.
FLIP: Bush promised an "open, honest" administration.
FLOP: Bush sets new records in government secrecy
and censorship.
Mitchell Holman
dnWJpzYIuRJzWn...@giganews.com:
> In article <Xns9CC54CB1F7AA5...@216.196.97.130>,
> Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Al <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:IL2dnaSnnt13VZ3W...@giganews.com:
>>
>> >
>> > Iraq is safer than Mexico, by the numbers.
>>
>>
>> Proof?
>
> Get a body-count widget for your desktop. Month-to-month, the numbers
> vary. And Mexicans are hobbled by their over-reaching ROE, they tend to
> be more specific in their targeting than the Muslims, who use the
> opposite approach - they want the big numbers, big showy carnage, to
say
> "look what happens when you fight against us, we kill our own"
So you cannot prove your claim.
Just so.............
>
>> >> > In case you haven't figured it out yet, this is actually a proxy
>> >> > trial for the Bush administration.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> You make that sound like a negative.
>> >
>> > It is for the US, but not for the left. As usual.
>> >
>> > Logically, you would hope for KSM to be found innocent, because the
>> > methods Bush used to extract the confessions are not admissable in
US
>> > court.
>> >
>> > Would not the releases of KSM validate your position?
>>
>>
>> No, a public trial in accordance with the laws we set
>> for ourselves would be a vindication. You do believe in
>> uploading the law, don't you?
>
> He was already perfectly legal, there is no issue there at all.
Did you approve of the torture of Americans
by Saddam Hussein's government? After all, it was
"perfectly legal" under Iraqi laws.
White House Turns Tables on Former American POWs
The Los Angeles Times
15 February 2005
WASHINGTON - The latest chapter in the legal
history of torture is being written by American pilots
who were beaten and abused by Iraqis during the 1991
Persian Gulf War. And it has taken a strange twist.
The Bush administration is fighting the former
prisoners of war in court, trying to prevent them from
collecting nearly $1 billion from Iraq that a federal
judge awarded them as compensation for their torture at
the hands of Saddam Hussein's regime.
The rationale: Today's Iraqis are good guys, and
they need the money.
The case abounds with ironies. It pits the U.S.
government squarely against its own war heroes and the
Geneva Convention.
Many of the pilots were tortured in the same Iraqi
prison, Abu Ghraib, where American soldiers abused Iraqis
15 months ago. Those Iraqi victims, Defense Secretary
Donald H. Rumsfeld has said, deserve compensation from the
United States.
But the American victims of Iraqi torturers are not
entitled to similar payments from Iraq, the U.S. government
says.
"It seems so strange to have our own country fighting
us on this," said retired Air Force Col. David W. Eberly,
the senior officer among the former POWs.
The case, now being appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court,
tests whether "state sponsors of terrorism" can be sued in
the U.S. courts for torture, murder or hostage-taking. The
court is expected to decide in the next two months whether
to hear the appeal.
Former military lawyers and a bipartisan group of lawmakers
have been among those who have urged the Supreme Court to
take up the case and to strengthen the law against torturers
and tyrannical regimes.
"Our government is on the wrong side of this issue,"
said Jeffrey F. Addicott, a former Army lawyer and director
of the Center for Terrorism Law at St. Mary's University in
San Antonio. "A lot of Americans would scratch their heads
and ask why is our government taking the side of Iraq against
our POWs."
http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/8995/printer
Al
Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Al <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8a-
> dnWJpzYIuRJzWn...@giganews.com:
>
> > In article <Xns9CC54CB1F7AA5...@216.196.97.130>,
> > Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Al <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:IL2dnaSnnt13VZ3W...@giganews.com:
> >
> > Your Disneyesque view of "the world" is amusing, I'ds wage you believe
> > that "Americans" are relieved and grateful that Obama was elected.
> >
> > All nice and monolithic and black and white, it's that liberal
> "nuance".
> >
> > There are some specific people who are grateful Obama was elected. They
> > would be the Russians, Chinese, and the leftist and totalitarian
> regimes
> > around the world.
> >
> > I hear he's liked in Africa, unlike Bush, whom was merely loved - but
> > he's liked because of who and what he *is*, while Bush is was loved
> > because of what he's *done*.
>
>
>
>
> Thousands Protest Bush at Latin America Summit.
Ok, Latin American Africans don't like Bush.
> Thousands protest Bush's Ottawa visit
Well, the African Canadians hate him, I'll admit.
> Thousands in India Protest Bush's Visit
"Thousands". In India, population 1,139,964,932 at last count.
> 10,000 protest against Bush
Whoa, a real blip.
> Hundreds of thousands protest Bush's visit to India
Whoa, we're headed for millions.
> 40,000 protest Bush in Turkey
Headline if the week award - but only 40K in Turkey?
The other 73,914,250 suffered in their quiet anguish over Bush, no doubt.
> Thousands in Madrid Protest Bush Visit
Lazy.
> Thousands protest against Bush visit to Germany
Thousands again, an gry thousands, many angry thousands.
And, well, in the end, there were not enough thousands, but at least you
tried, but try to move on.
Al
Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Al <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in news:8a-
> dnWJpzYIuRJzWn...@giganews.com:
>
> > In article <Xns9CC54CB1F7AA5...@216.196.97.130>,
> > Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Al <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in
> >> news:IL2dnaSnnt13VZ3W...@giganews.com:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Iraq is safer than Mexico, by the numbers.
> >>
> >>
> >> Proof?
> >
> > Get a body-count widget for your desktop. Month-to-month, the numbers
> > vary. And Mexicans are hobbled by their over-reaching ROE, they tend to
> > be more specific in their targeting than the Muslims, who use the
> > opposite approach - they want the big numbers, big showy carnage, to
> say
> > "look what happens when you fight against us, we kill our own"
>
>
> So you cannot prove your claim.
>
> Just so.............
No, actually, my claims stands, but I have the widget.
> >> No, a public trial in accordance with the laws we set
> >> for ourselves would be a vindication. You do believe in
> >> uploading the law, don't you?
> >
> > He was already perfectly legal, there is no issue there at all.
> Did you approve of the torture of Americans
> by Saddam Hussein's government?
Do you approve of decapitation of captives on youtube?
> After all, it was
> "perfectly legal" under Iraqi laws.
Do you mean baathist law, or nationalist law, or tribal law or religious
law?
Where is your baseline, what do you expect of the perfect world?
Mitchell Holman
news:d_mdnUITyLMk6p7W...@giganews.com:
Yep. Bush was the most hated leader in the world,
got replaced by the most admired leader in the world.
Of course, that is bad news for people who prefer
America itself to be hated rather than admired........
Al
Mitchell Holman <noe...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Yep. Bush was the most hated leader in the world.
It was the march in Wehobogan, WA that tipped the scales, when Laslo
Luskowitz - an otherwise unremarkable individual who was actually just
trying to get to Blockbuster - became the millionth protestor.