Looks like Virginia Tech was using the Rudd Student Protection Handbook
Juan
mind your responsibilities. The Rudd Way. :)
December 5, 2009
Report on Virginia Tech Shooting Finds Notification Delays
RICHMOND, Va. — During the worst campus shooting spree in American
history, Virginia Tech officials locked down some administrative
offices and warned their own families more than an hour and a half
before the rest of the campus was alerted, according to revisions made
in the state’s official report on the rampage.
The revelations come more than two and a half years after the gunman,
Seung-Hui Cho, went on a rampage that killed 32 students and faculty
members before taking his own life, and only 10 days before oral
arguments were to begin in lawsuits challenging the university’s
handling of the matter.
They do not change the original thrust of the report — that university
officials could have saved lives by notifying students and faculty
members earlier about the killings on campus. But they provide a more
detailed picture of the mistakes made by university officials in
handling the emergency. The report, for instance, indicates that
students who were initially locked down at West Ambler Johnston
residence hall, where the first two victims were killed, were later
released from the building by the police and allowed to attend their 9
a.m. classes. Two of those students then went to class in Norris Hall,
where they were killed by the gunman.
And university officials failed to contact the family of the gunman’s
first victim, Emily Hilscher, until after she had died, even though
Ms. Hilscher survived for three hours and was taken to two hospitals
before her death.
But the revised report — produced at the insistence of parents of the
victims and totaling more than 200 pages — made no new
recommendations.
The timeline in the new report suggests that officials were reluctant
to spread the news about the first two shootings. For example, at 8:45
a.m. on the day of the shootings, the report says, “A Policy Group
member e-mails a Richmond colleague saying one student is dead and
another critically wounded. ‘Gunman on the loose,’ he says, adding,
‘This is not releasable yet.’ ”
And at 8:49, the report adds, “The same Policy Group member reminds
his Richmond colleague, ‘Just try to make sure it doesn’t get out.’ ”
The campus community was not formally notified of the first two
shootings until 9:26. The shootings at Norris Hall began at 9:40.
While conceding that university officials had a responsibility to
avoid causing panic, parents of victims expressed frustration at the
report’s findings.
“These were serious mistakes, and we still don’t feel like everything
that should be known has been revealed,” said Lori Haas, the mother of
Emily Haas, who was wounded in the shootings. “Tech officials had to
be careful, but they should have acted faster.”
Another parent, Holly Sherman, whose daughter Leslie was killed, said,
“It angers me that it took this long to get some answers.”
The new report said that the university president’s office was locked
down about 30 minutes before a formal warning was issued to the rest
of the campus and that the local police, in Blacksburg, took more than
half an hour longer than was initially believed to begin looking for a
suspect, a fact first reported by The Richmond Times-Dispatch.
The report also says that at least two members of the university’s
Policy Group, which was assembled to manage the crisis, let their own
families know of the first two shootings, in the residence hall, more
than 90 minutes before the group warned the rest of the campus.
Mark Owczarski, a spokesman for the university, said the revised
report was inaccurate and lacked context.
“The revised report describes the two people who alerted their
families as Policy Group members, and they were not,” Mr. Owczarski
said. “It also inaccurately describes the actions of those two
individuals who alerted their families as though it occurred with
approval of senior officials. It did not.”
Mr. Owczarski said the two people who alerted their families were not
senior officials, but lower-level staff.
One of the people who alerted family was Kim O'Rourke, the chief of
staff to the university's president, Charles Steger. Ms. O'Rourke
mentioned the shooting while calling her son to wake him up for class,
said an official with TriData, a division of the System Planning
Corporation, which coordinated the original investigation. The other
person who alerted her family was then-Assistant Vice President of
Administration Lisa Wilkes, who was visiting her mother when she was
called by campus officials and told to get to work because there had
been a shooting. Before leaving, she told her mother of the situation,
the official said.
But W. Gerald Massengill, the former State Police superintendent who
led the state’s investigation, rejected the contention that Policy
Group members did not alert their families.
“I remember almost with certainty the names assigned to the messages
that went out, and they were officials,” Mr. Massengill said.
In pending lawsuits, the families of two slain students fault the
campus police and university officials for delaying a campuswide
warning that a gunman was on the loose. They argue that the campus
police advised the Policy Group that the two shootings at West Ambler
Johnston Hall were probably the result of a “lover’s quarrel,” thereby
delaying a response that might have prevented the subsequent Norris
Hall shootings.
All but two of the families of those killed and injured agreed in 2008
not to sue in exchange for an $11 million state settlement. The
lawsuits, on behalf of the slain students Julia Pryde and Erin
Peterson, seek damages of $10 million; oral arguments are scheduled
for Dec. 14.
The report, which was released by Gov. Tim Kaine on Friday, was
provided to The New York Times on Thursday night by the family of one
of the victims.
Governor Kaine, a Democrat, had resisted calls from the families to
reopen the investigation, but he agreed to have the report revised to
include corrections requested by families of the victims.
TriData prepared the original report for the state and the recent
revisions, which were provided to family members Thursday night.
Calls by victims’ families to reopen the investigation grew stronger
in July, after some of Mr. Cho’s missing mental-health records were
discovered in the home of the former director of the university’s
counseling clinic. The discovery raised new questions about the rigor
of the state’s investigation into the shootings.
But an official from the governor’s office said the new report did not
alter the state’s initial findings. “While the addendum corrects and
clarifies facts found in the original report,” Kate Paris, an
executive assistant to the governor, said in an e-mail message to
victims’ families, “the review and revision process tended to
reinforce the original recommendations of the panel.”
TriData officials echoed this conclusion.
“While some of the findings have been modified slightly and one
added,” TriData said in the new report, “none of the new information
merited changes to any recommendations in the original report.”
In a news release on Friday, Governor Kaine said that many of the
recommendations in the original report had been enacted during the
2008 General Assembly session, including restrictions on firearm
access for those adjudicated mentally ill, and the investment of $41
million in the state’s mental-health operations.
The revised report said that the university had two conflicting
emergency-alert policies and that it took 17 minutes for the chief of
campus police to get in touch with the executive vice president after
he learned of the shooting.
The report also added to the picture of Mr. Cho’s mental-health
problems. Mr. Cho was interviewed several times by Virginia Tech
health officials more than a year before his attack, but in each
instance, he denied homicidal thoughts and was not admitted for
treatment, the report says.
Health officials on campus spoke to Mr. Cho three times in 2005, twice
by phone and once in person, after concerns were raised about his
behavior.
Al
<d550e850-9c4d-4660...@g1g2000vbr.googlegroups.com>,
Juan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yup
So the rumors are true, blogger boy?
Lost the blogger contest, lost the wife, not a good year, eh?
Fiftycal
wrote:
Damm. Now he only has his kids to pimp for? Bummer.
Juan
>
> So the rumors are true, blogger boy?
>
> Lost the blogger contest, lost the wife, not a good year, eh?
Got shortlisted on my very first try for the blog contest thousands of
miles away, and we're headed for a European family vacation in a year
where you would be lucky to spend Xmas in someone's trailer trash
abode. We're doing Amsterdam for the museums, then northern Italy for
Xmas with good friends, and Paris for the new year and the Eiffel
Tower fireworks, to put the icing on a spectacular year.
What's your excuse, numbnutz? Spending the holidays with your make-
believe Marine son who turns out to be someone else's kid? Still
trying to figure out a way to pay your taxes? Still hiring psychics in
pathetic attempts to convince your dead mother you're not the
worthless asshole she thought you was the day she kicked the bucket?
Still hoping you might find a female of the species somewhere on the
planet who might not come to the immediate conclusion that you're a
pathetic excuse of a man? Maybe you're going to part your hair
differently and try to get back with the woman who dropkicked you out
of that hut on Ross Trail? Or did ya give up and decide to buy a can
of crisco and spend it with your fuckbuddies Hreevediot and the Ugly
Mental Casto Midget? LMAO! :)
I own you, boy. Deal with it. Back of the bus. GIT! :)
Al
<352ee127-92e0-47fd...@z7g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
Juan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 1:41�pm, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > So the rumors are true, blogger boy?
> >
> > Lost the blogger contest, lost the wife, not a good year, eh?
>
> Got shortlisted on my very first try for the blog contest thousands of
> miles away,
I noticed you didn't get a single award.
After reading your ridiculous thing on the iphone and Steve Jobs, I can
see why.
> and we're headed for a European family vacation in a year
Try the German slap-dance thing. Youtube it for us.
> where you would be lucky to spend Xmas in someone's trailer trash
> abode. We're doing Amsterdam for the museums, then northern Italy for
> Xmas with good friends, and Paris for the new year and the Eiffel
> Tower fireworks, to put the icing on a spectacular year.
I see you're wearing your party dress again, did you buy it off that
secret website of yours?
Do you plan on being an honored guest for the Running of the Queers in
Tehran? Tell us more.
> What's your excuse, numbnutz? Spending the holidays with your make-
> believe Marine son who turns out to be someone else's kid? Still
> trying to figure out a way to pay your taxes?
It's my Militia month, I'll be too busy to follow your schedule. I'll
check your mythical website to see how it went for me.
> Still hiring psychics in
> pathetic attempts to convince your dead mother you're not the
> worthless asshole she thought you was the day she kicked the bucket?
That's what I have you for, and you're free.
> Still hoping you might find a female of the species somewhere on the
> planet who might not come to the immediate conclusion that you're a
> pathetic excuse of a man?
I get along just fine until they google me, and they find that secret
website of yours.
> Maybe you're going to part your hair
> differently and try to get back with the woman who dropkicked you out
> of that hut on Ross Trail?
So that 60-mile round trip of yours was to stalk her, eh?
Guess you got look at me and motored on, eh Romeo? LOL.
> Or did ya give up and decide to buy a can
> of crisco and spend it with your fuckbuddies Hreevediot and the Ugly
> Mental Casto Midget? LMAO! :)
No idea about others, but I'll likely spend a little time greasing the
hell out of you, sweetcheeks.
I like your stories.
Al
Fiftycal <n...@abcnnbcbs.com> wrote:
Juan pimps fantasies.
Juan
>
> I noticed you didn't get a single award.
Yeah, I know you can't even count, dimwit. I only got nominated for
one award. That's how it works. LMAO! :) You go, Captain Obvious!
HAHAHAH!!!
Pathetic, Rudd. Just positively pathetic. But hell, that's you, always
in character. LOL!
Al
<6f65dc42-f58b-4ac6...@p30g2000vbt.googlegroups.com>,
Juan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 3:50�pm, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I noticed you didn't get a single award.
>
> Yeah, I know you can't even count, dimwit. I only got nominated for
> one award. That's how it works. LMAO! :) You go, Captain Obvious!
> HAHAHAH!!!
So the short list wasn't quite short enough.
That temper tantrum over Steve Jobs was pretty classic, you should have
gotten the Angry Whiner Award at the very least.
Juan
>
> > Yeah, I know you can't even count, dimwit. I only got nominated for
> > one award. That's how it works. LMAO! :) You go, Captain Obvious!
> > HAHAHAH!!!
>
> So the short list wasn't quite short enough.
So now you've got this pathetic fixation on "short"... that's new for
today... did one of your farm animal potential girlfriends say
something hurtful to you? Sheeit. Poor little bunny boy. :)
Al
<b7dffc5e-5296-4507...@e7g2000vbi.googlegroups.com>,
Juan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 5, 6:10�pm, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yeah, I know you can't even count, dimwit. I only got nominated for
> > > one award. That's how it works. LMAO! :) You go, Captain Obvious!
> > > HAHAHAH!!!
> >
> > So the short list wasn't quite short enough.
>
> So now you've got this pathetic fixation on "short"...
Don't take it personally. I know how you guys can be.
> that's new for
> today... did one of your farm animal potential girlfriends say
> something hurtful to you? Sheeit. Poor little bunny boy. :)
Geez dude, I was talking about your height, talk about a freaking tell,
wow. Sensitive much?
Settle down, we don't care about your dick, amigo.
Juan
Is that what the therapist told you, shortnutz? Or was that your ex-
wife? :)
Al
<f9292b4c-e6c7-4ba2...@r1g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>,
Juan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
I never had a "therapist", Pudge. That's abother of your warm and fuzzy
fantasies.
The Juan Jimenez wall of protection. Post something stupid, get called
on it, snip the call-out, start talking about your fantasies about my
ex-wife.
Amusingly predictable.
Jamir Quay
Jamir Quay
Jamir Quay
> On Dec 5, 1:41 pm, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So the rumors are true, blogger boy?
>>
>> Lost the blogger contest, lost the wife, not a good year, eh?
>
> Got shortlisted on my very first try
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
http://www.itpreport.com/upload/Juan_Jimenez_200x150.jpg
Sheehs, even a Polack dumped your lard ass...
Jamir Quay
> Yup, cover your own ass,
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
Boston Homo
Jamir Quay <s...@00.ter> wrote:
>
> Juan = morbidly obese puerta rican diaperboi juan jimenez of boston, ma.
>
>
> http://www.itpreport.com/upload/Juan_Jimenez_200x150.jpg
They split because his wife caught him letting the mailman fuck
him up the ass.
RamRod Sword of Baal
"Boston Homo" <f...@fag.fag> wrote in message
news:1d3508dacb6e1ca0...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...
I guess he got bored with the sex (if any) he was having with his wife, and
moved on to better things.
Jamir Quay
Jamir Quay
Oh ouch!
Juan
>
> I never had a "therapist", Pudge. That's abother of your warm and fuzzy fantasies.
Oh, yes, I forgot, you call it a shrink. :)
flybd5
> nothing
Oh, Jeff, you poor little useless squid fuck. Reduced to inventing
stories about someone else's wife to make for your frustrations at
your own farm animal wife. Jealous, eh, little boy? :)
Watch out for them xmas cards! :)
Boston Homo
Jamir Quay
> On Dec 6, 11:36 am, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I never had a "therapist", Pudge. That's abother of your warm and fuzzy fantasies.
>
> Oh, yes, I forgot,
Jamir Quay
> On Dec 9, 5:13 pm, Jamir Quay <s...@00.ter> wrote:
>> nothing
>
> Oh, Jeff,
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
Juan
> <nothing>
Ah, two kneejerks in a row. Must be part of the training your farm
animal wife is giving you. Teaching you how to count, eh? LOL!
Have you paid your child support lately? :)
Jamir Quay
> Ah, two kneejerks
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
http://www.itpreport.com/upload/Juan_Jimenez_200x150.jpg
Sheesh, even a Polack dumped your lard ass...
(�`�.�Craig Chilton�.���) <www.LayoffBottomsRemedy.com>
296ec5...@e4g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
Hi big boy. Want to get together sometime?
Juan
<www.LayoffBottomsRemedy.com>" <marr...@iowa.com> wrote:
> In article <b3ece752-d2b7-4547-9ea0-
> 296ec5f9d...@e4g2000prn.googlegroups.com>
>
> Juan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 10, 12:00 am, Jamir Quay <s...@00.ter> wrote:
> > > <nothing>
>
> > Ah, two kneejerks in a row. Must be part of the training your farm
> > animal wife is giving you. Teaching you how to count, eh? LOL!
>
> > Have you paid your child support lately? :)
>
> Hi big boy. Want to get together sometime?
And here comes Casto's fuckbuddy.... LOL!
Jamir Quay
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
http://www.itpreport.com/upload/Juan_Jimenez_200x150.jpg
Sheesh, even a Polack dumped your lard ass...
Juan
> <nothing>
Parrot on, boi. :)
<plonk!>
Doc Dice
Getting his shit stirred is better?
Only for a queer lunatic.
DD
Doc Dice
Getting his shit stirred is better?
Jamir Quay
> On Dec 12, 12:51 am, Jamir Quay <s...@00.ter> wrote:
>> <nothing>
>
> Parrot on
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
Juan
> <nothing>
Jeffy like lard asses? *8D
Yes, we know why you have such a fixation on lard asses, lardbrain....
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friend...
We're not talking lard here, we're talking about a Crisco factory
stuffed inside size "Moo!" Texas jeans! ROFLMAO!
And check out this one! Bessie Moo can barely get her thighs inside a
damn beach lounging chair!
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friend...
Oh man, that's disgusting! Look at all that cellulitis SPILLING over
the edge of the chair like a vat of spilled whale blubber! No wonder
she didn't go into the water, you'd see the sharks coming for miles
around! LUNCH! hahahahahahaha!!!
Juan
account!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Jamir Quay
> Ho! He shoots! He scores!
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
Jamir Quay
> On Dec 12, 12:02 pm, Jamir Quay <s...@00.ter> wrote:
>> <nothing>
>
> Jeffy like
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
Kirk Reynolds
"Jamir Quay" <s...@00.ter> wrote in message
news:hg4cur$iqs$4...@news.eternal-september.org...
> Juan wrote:
>> Ho! He shoots! He scores!
>
> How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
>
>
You're right, Jeffy.
It's prolly not your real name. Or your house there on Spanish Trail. No
fucking way that a unemployed social security collecting dish washer boy
like you end up in a house like that!
lol
Kirk Reynolds
"Jamir Quay" <s...@00.ter> wrote in message
> Juan wrote:
>> On Dec 12, 12:02 pm, Jamir Quay <s...@00.ter> wrote:
>>> <nothing>
>>
>> Jeffy like
>
> How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
>
>
You're right, Jeffy.