It. Will. Pass. Toldya. Deal with it, coward chickenshit loozers.
Juan
Hopes Dim, G.O.P. Still Vows to Fight Health Bill
WASHINGTON — A day after Senate Democrats said that they had clinched
an agreement on a far-reaching overhaul of the nation’s health care
system, Republicans vowed on Sunday to continue their fight while
acknowledging that their chances of stopping Senate passage had faded.
Asked whether he and his fellow Republicans could yet block the bill,
John McCain of Arizona seemed resigned to its passage.
“Probably not,” he replied on “Fox News Sunday.” “We’ll fight the good
fight, we‘ll fight until the last vote.”
If the Senate bill passed, it would have to be reconciled in
conference with the earlier House version. The two differ
substantially; and a key senator said Sunday that it would be
difficult for his chamber to pass anything that varies much from the
Senate version.
But on Saturday, Democratic leaders hailed as a breakthrough the
agreement by Senator Ben Nelson, Democrat of Nebraska, to back the
bill after 13 hours of negotiations.
He was the pivotal 60th vote for a measure that President Barack Obama
has called his top domestic priority; it would significantly overhaul
the country’s health care system, extending health benefits to more
than 30 million uninsured Americans.
The Senate plans a crucial procedural vote at 1 a.m. Monday and a
final vote on Dec. 24, allowing scant time to review the bulky and
complicated bill or a last-minute 383-page amendment that reflects the
Nelson agreement.
Senator Jon Kyl, a conservative Republican from Arizona, charged
Sunday on ABC’s “This Week” that Democrats were using the imminent
Christmas holiday to force a quick vote on a bill that he said
Democrats were trying to sell “on an artifice.”
The measure would extend health benefits by expanding Medicaid and
providing subsidies to help moderate-income people buy private
insurance. It would require nearly all Americans to obtain insurance
or pay financial penalties for failing to do so.
Republicans say the bill would spell disaster, raising taxes and
hurting families and small businesses by increasing health care costs
over the long term and reducing medical services for older patients.
The Congressional Budget Office said the legislation would cost $871
billion over 10 years, with the expense more than offset by revenues
from new taxes and fees and by reductions in government spending,
particularly on Medicare. The budget office said the bill would reduce
future deficits by $132 billion over that period.
Republicans were sharply critical, pointing to the fact that some
benefits would only take effect years after new taxes and fees kicked
in.
“That is budget gimmickry, and we all know it,” said Mr. McCain, the
2008 Republican presidential nominee.
Republicans say Democrats are using accounting tricks to hide the true
cost of the measure, which they predicted would be huge.
Democrats described the legislation as historic.
“After nearly a century-long struggle,” Mr. Obama said Saturday from
the White House, “we are on the cusp of making health care reform a
reality in the United States of America.”
Mr. Nelson committed his vote after winning tighter restrictions on
insurance coverage for abortions, as well as increased federal health
care aid for his state — special treatment denounced by Republicans.
He pointedly warned, however, that he would oppose the final version
if negotiations with the House, which approved its bill last month,
yield changes that he does not like.
House liberals are expected to resist some concessions made in the
Senate. To secure the votes of centrist holdouts, Senate leaders
dropped the proposed government-run health insurance plan, or public
option, which was favored by liberals.
Instead, the Senate bill would create at least two national insurance
plans modeled after those offered to federal workers. The bill bars
insurers from denying coverage based on pre-existing medical
conditions.
Senator Kent Conrad, Democrat of North Dakota and chairman of the
powerful Budget committee, said Sunday that there was little room for
compromise with the House.
“It is very clear that the final bill, to pass in the United States
Senate, is going to have to be very close to the bill that has been
negotiated here,” he said on “Fox News Sunday.” “Otherwise it will not
get 60 votes.“
The Democrats nominally control the 60 Senate seats needed to overcome
a Republican filibuster. No Republican has been willing to support the
legislation.
Under the deal with Mr. Nelson, health insurance plans would not be
required or forbidden to cover abortions, but states could prohibit
the coverage of abortions by plans that are offered for sale through
new government-regulated marketplaces.
Al
<e3e786c8-baae-48c1...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Juan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> December 21, 2009
> Hopes Dim, G.O.P. Still Vows to Fight Health Bill
>
> WASHINGTON � A day after Senate Democrats said that they had clinched
> an agreement on a far-reaching overhaul of the nation�s health care
> system, Republicans vowed on Sunday to continue their fight while
> acknowledging that their chances of stopping Senate passage had faded.
The majority party bribed their own to pass a bill that liberals,
progressives and conservatives don't want.
A major victory for the people.
BobR
> In article
> <e3e786c8-baae-48c1-b622-2ee1288e5...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
Nebraska, Louisiana, Vermont and Massachusetts. These states are
getting more federal help with Medicaid than other states. In the case
of Nebraska — represented by Sen. Ben Nelson, who's providing the
critical 60th vote for the legislation to pass — the federal
government is picking up 100 percent of the tab of a planned expansion
of the program, in perpetuity. Vermont and Massachusetts get temporary
increases in the federal share of their Medicaid tabs. In Louisiana,
moderate Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu negotiated $100 million for
2011 before announcing her support for the legislation.
When is BRIBERY not bribery? When the Democrats have a majority.
Palin 2012
"Al" <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:albert.finney000-15...@news-wc.giganews.com...
> In article
> <e3e786c8-baae-48c1...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> Juan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
2.No Government Support to baby killers, Morjuan
3. Typical Chicago payoff to crooked Politicians, Morjuan.
4. Just so the half-Negro can beat his chest and swing from the
treetops.
5. After all, 26 percent support Obummer. ( All Morons) and Morjuan
Al
<1fb850ac-623a-4c9d...@y24g2000yqb.googlegroups.com>,
BobR <re...@r-a-reed-assoc.com> wrote:
> On Dec 20, 8:15�m, Al <albert.finney...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > In article
> > <e3e786c8-baae-48c1-b622-2ee1288e5...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> >
> > �uan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > December 21, 2009
> > > Hopes Dim, G.O.P. Still Vows to Fight Health Bill
> >
> > > WASHINGTON � A day after Senate Democrats said that they had clinched
> > > an agreement on a far-reaching overhaul of the nation¹s health care
> > > system, Republicans vowed on Sunday to continue their fight while
> > > acknowledging that their chances of stopping Senate passage had faded.
> >
> > The majority party bribed their own to pass a bill that liberals,
> > progressives and conservatives don't want.
> >
> > A major victory for the people.
>
> Nebraska, Louisiana, Vermont and Massachusetts. These states are
> getting more federal help with Medicaid than other states. In the case
> of Nebraska — represented by Sen. Ben Nelson, who's providing the
> critical 60th vote for the legislation to pass — the federal
> government is picking up 100 percent of the tab of a planned expansion
> of the program, in perpetuity. Vermont and Massachusetts get temporary
> increases in the federal share of their Medicaid tabs. In Louisiana,
> moderate Democratic Sen. Mary Landrieu negotiated $100 million for
> 2011 before announcing her support for the legislation.
>
> When is BRIBERY not bribery? When the Democrats have a majority.
When are rules not rules? When the dem's have a majority.
Al
"Palin 2012" <bede...@pos.net> wrote:
He's even losing Olberman. Smells like trouble.
Otto Graham's Cleats
If he's losing Keith, it's only because Keith is seeing him as acting just
like Bush, dummy.
Al
"Otto Graham's Cleats" <Automa...@brown.org> wrote:
> "Al" <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:albert.finney000-D2...@news-wc.giganews.com...
> > In article <hgo11r$3vp$1...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > "Palin 2012" <bede...@pos.net> wrote:
> >
> >> "Al" <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:albert.finney000-15...@news-wc.giganews.com...
> >> > In article
> >> > <e3e786c8-baae-48c1...@m16g2000yqc.googlegroups.com>,
> >> > Juan <fly...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>1. No Public Option,Morjuan
> >> 2.No Government Support to baby killers, Morjuan
> >> 3. Typical Chicago payoff to crooked Politicians, Morjuan.
> >> 4. Just so the half-Negro can beat his chest and swing from the
> >> treetops.
> >> 5. After all, 26 percent support Obummer. ( All Morons) and Morjuan
> >>
> >>
> >
> > He's even losing Olberman. Smells like trouble.
>
> If he's losing Keith, it's only because Keith is seeing him as acting just
> like Bush, dummy.
I didn't think Olbermonkey turned conservative overnight, genius.
Juan
> <BS snipped>
It's called negotation, Jeffy. You never ask for what you want, and
you never start with what you eventually you want to get.
Sit back and enjoy the ride at the back of the bus. :)
Juan
Isn't that the same number who voted for the Geezer and the Dingbat?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Otto Graham's Cleats
Dumbfuck. You cannot read. Or comprehend.
Otto Graham's Cleats
"Juan" <fly...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:bffd9c93-deec-424a...@j14g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
I wish sometimes that Bush, Sr had beat Clinton in 1992. He was getting
ready to be impeached, if you recall. It would have ended the Bushshit right
then and there. Instead, it allowed these predators to continue their rape
of the American people and it's treasures.
Al
Otto Graham's Cleats
Sorry, if you cannot keep up. Try some remedial reading comprehension
classes. A does NOT necessarily equal C. If Keith is mad at Obama, it hardly
means he turned into another chicken-hawk conservative.
It's YOU assholes and your blind allegiance to Bush that has gotten this
country into the mess it is in today. That you can't or won't look at that
is yet another problem heaped upon the pile.
Al
You may have noticed that I never said that. I actually do understand
that KO is attacking OB *from the left*.
Do you feel smarter now?
Otto Graham's Cleats
Only if you're feeling less dumb than you obviously are.
Al
"Otto Graham's Cleats" <Automa...@brown.org> wrote:
> "Al" <albert.f...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> Sorry, if you cannot keep up. Try some remedial reading comprehension
> >> classes. A does NOT necessarily equal C. If Keith is mad at Obama, it
> >> hardly
> >> means he turned into another chicken-hawk conservative.
> >
> > You may have noticed that I never said that. I actually do understand
> > that KO is attacking OB *from the left*.
> >
> > Do you feel smarter now?
>
> Only if you're feeling less dumb than you obviously are.
But my dear friend, you based your argument on a flawed assumption,
which was amply, logically explained, you were corrected.
If you insist on beating your dead horse, I will help you.
Otto Graham's Cleats
I was wondering how much more convoluted you could be. Thanks for not
leaving me waiting too long.
Yes, I read that already. I must have had you confused with another
conservatard. You know that you all look alike to me? Sorry for the
misunderstanding on that point.
BTW, my mention of your profound dumbness had less to do with this thread in
particular and more to do with your continued bandwagon cheering for
anything that comes from the right.
I would think that since you want everybody to understand what a profound
person you are and how deep and rich is your understanding of the issues of
the day, that you'd be able to comprehend that conservatives have had
majority rule in this country more often than not, for years. So, if you and
others want to place blame for the division and lack of cooperation and in
general, the decay of our society, look to yourselves as well when you point
those fingers outward.
Al
I'm very sorry.
> I would think that since you want everybody to understand what a profound
> person you are and how deep and rich is your understanding of the issues of
> the day, that you'd be able to comprehend that conservatives have had
> majority rule in this country more often than not, for years. So, if you and
> others want to place blame for the division and lack of cooperation and in
> general, the decay of our society, look to yourselves as well when you point
> those fingers outward.
So, they are to blame for the drift towards marxism.
Jamir Quay
> On Dec 21, 3:34 pm, "Palin 2012" <bedeno...@pos.net> wrote:
>> 5. After all, 26 percent support Obummer. ( All Morons) and Morjuan
>
> Isn't that the same number
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?
http://www.itpreport.com/upload/Juan_Jimenez_200x150.jpg
Sheehs, even a Polack dumped your lard ass...
Jamir Quay
> On Dec 21, 3:34 pm, "Palin 2012" <bedeno...@pos.net> wrote:
>> <BS snipped>
>
> It's called negotation,
How's the divorce coming , fatboi?