Screw the Phone Company!
Tracey Levin
SenSate147 wrote:
I just got sent a check from AT&T for $100 to switchIt is said that in the future, the industry will not be able to charge more for LD than for local service.Also, it has been stated that as the bandwidth of the Internet grows, the quality and quantity of free or nearly free long distance will do great harm to the bottom line of AT&T etc.
BACK to them after I had switched FROM them to MCI.
Of course, I switched to MCI for the frequent flyer
miles. MCI had a weird set of rate rules, though ....
25 cents a minute most times, except evening, which was
10 cents, as were Saturdays, but Sundays were 5 cents
a minute ... except if Ronald Reagan became President
again, in which case it would be a Susan B Anthony dollar
per hour, but not if Jay Leno changed his birthday to Aries ...
something like that.Right now, I get 10 cents a minute flat with AT&T for
5 bucks a month. Can't wait till LDDS/Worldcom or
MCI sends me another spiff.Screw 'em - the damn infrastructure is all paid for, the
original investors have all been paid off, and American
customers paid HUGE premiums all those years under
Ma Bell that I feel no great need toward loyalty anymore.
Give me the spiffs and you get my biz. Give me a better
rate, and you get my biz.Alana Renee'
But, if you believe this, then you probably believe Bill Clinton. AT$T has billions available to spend on congressional lobbyists who will encourage Congress to pass new laws limiting the ability of Internet users to make free phone calls. Another option would be for Congress to tack on access charges to be freely given to the LD companies because of lost revenues.
I hate to think about this, but I believe that unless users and other businesses really complain to Congress, telecommunications companies will eventually succeed at getting their pet legislation passed which will create new per minute usage taxes for all US internet users. SW Bell has already complained that they are not making enough money off of the net.
Some narrow-minded folks are deeply concerned about silly things like unwanted email and for-sale messages posted in .general newsgroups. They spend a great deal of time and energy bitching about these issues while the telecommunications industry is quietly working behind the scenes to tax the hell out of net users.
Snidely Whiplash
> Screw 'em - the damn infrastructure is all paid for, the
Wow, that's news to me. Then why are all of the phone companies buying
our telephone equipment and switches faster than we can produce them?
Notice how many companies build phone switches?
Of course, you think all the phone company pays for is electricity and
telephone operators, huh?
> It is said that in the future, the industry will not be able to
> charge more for LD than for local service.Also, it has been stated
> that as the bandwidth of the Internet grows, the quality and quantity
> of free or nearly free long distance will do great harm to the bottom
> line of AT&T etc.
> But, if you believe this, then you probably believe Bill Clinton.
> AT$T has billions available to spend on congressional lobbyists who
> will encourage Congress to pass new laws limiting the ability of
> Internet users to make free phone calls. Another option would be for
> Congress to tack on access charges to be freely given to the LD
> companies because of lost revenues.
>
I love to read the whining about how "ripped off" we are with our
telephone service. Let me give you a clue. The US has the cheapest, most
reliable telephone service on the planet, and if you ever venture forth
out into the world, you will realize that. Almost EVERY other country
charges by the minute, including local calls. Whenever we have visitors
to our company, from all over the globe, they are amazed at how easily
you can pick up a phone, dial a long distance call and be connected in
seconds, for a few cents. Check the rates in other countries and see
what you are missing. Better yet, look at the global cellular rates. See
what you're missing.
kitten
Snidely Whiplash wrote:
>
> I love to read the whining about how "ripped off" we are with our
> telephone service. Let me give you a clue. The US has the cheapest, most
> reliable telephone service on the planet, and if you ever venture forth
> out into the world, you will realize that. Almost EVERY other country
> charges by the minute, including local calls. Whenever we have visitors
> to our company, from all over the globe, they are amazed at how easily
> you can pick up a phone, dial a long distance call and be connected in
> seconds, for a few cents. Check the rates in other countries and see
> what you are missing. Better yet, look at the global cellular rates. See
> what you're missing.
kitten has always gotten a snicker out of hearing it explained something
like this: (probably misquoted) "...that series of clicks and silences
that the British telephone system inserts after you dial, thoughtfully
giving you just enough time to forget who you were calling and why..."
(( kitten )) * cain...@usa.net
Tracey
Snidely Whiplash wrote:
>
> I love to read the whining about how "ripped off" we are with our
> telephone service. Let me give you a clue. The US has the cheapest, most
> reliable telephone service on the planet, and if you ever venture forth
> out into the world, you will realize that. Almost EVERY other country
> charges by the minute, including local calls.
Read my lips...LOCAL COMPETITION FOR ALL THE BELLS!
If AT$T can handle it, then so can the Bell systems.
And, franky, I don't give a damn about what others pay to mail a letter,
for a gallon of gas, or for their local phone service. We have it
better and we aim to keep it that way!
If we can do it, why can't they??????????
Tracey
Bud wrote:
> Having lived in Europe for almost a decade, I can second the above. (And
> you didn't mention what happens if you get a good rain. You can expect the
> phone lines to be messed up for hours --either getting so much static you
> can't hear, or the call won't go through etc.) And it's even worse if you
> visit Africa or parts of Asis. In many cases, you're lucky to just find a
> working phone.
STOP IT! STOP IT!
You're causing my heart to bleed fiber optic cable for them!
Bud
Snidely Whiplash <bas...@ibm.net> wrote in article
<3516DE...@ibm.net>...
>
> I love to read the whining about how "ripped off" we are with our
> telephone service. Let me give you a clue. The US has the cheapest, most
> reliable telephone service on the planet, and if you ever venture forth
> out into the world, you will realize that. Almost EVERY other country
> to our company, from all over the globe, they are amazed at how easily
> you can pick up a phone, dial a long distance call and be connected in
> seconds, for a few cents. Check the rates in other countries and see
> what you are missing. Better yet, look at the global cellular rates. See
> what you're missing.
>
Tracey
Larry Kessler wrote:
> Thanks for a needed reality check.
>
Larry, if thats all it takes to make you feel better, do you know that
the Brits are paying about $4.5O dollars for a gallon of gas?
Detour
>
> It is said that in the future, the industry will not be able to
>charge more for LD than for local service.Also, it has been stated that
>as the bandwidth of the Internet grows, the quality and quantity of free
>or nearly free long distance will do great harm to the bottom line of
>AT&T etc.
>But, if you believe this, then you probably believe Bill Clinton. AT$T
>has billions available to spend on congressional lobbyists who will
>encourage Congress to pass new laws limiting the ability of Internet
>users to make free phone calls. Another option would be for Congress to
>tack on access charges to be freely given to the LD companies because of
>lost revenues.
>I hate to think about this, but I believe that unless users and other
>businesses really complain to Congress, telecommunications companies
>will eventually succeed at getting their pet legislation passed which
>will create new per minute usage taxes for all US internet users. SW
>Bell has already complained that they are not making enough money off of
>the net.
>Some narrow-minded folks are deeply concerned about silly things like
>unwanted email and for-sale messages posted in .general newsgroups.
>They spend a great deal of time and energy bitching about these issues
>while the telecommunications industry is quietly working behind the
>scenes to tax the hell out of net users.
>
How do they plan on limiting LD calls over the internet? Let's say a
certain phone software product uses a certain TCP or UDP port for
communication. Are they going to force all ISP's to block that port?
I doubt it. It just won't happen. The closest they can come to
blocking LD over the net is to shut down these LD companies that use
the net for the LD part of the call(whereas, you still hit their
switch over the normal phone lines). But that in no way stops the
average Joe from using his phone software to call up his buddy John
3000 miles away over the net.
Secondly, per minute charges won't happen. Too much competition. And
as for laying on taxes, last time I checked there was a law up for
vote that would REMOVE sales tax from buying service through internet
providers.
The net in itself is a different monster entirely from what the big
politicians are used to regulating. The LD companies are all jumping
into the internet business..They realize that the future does not
look bright for them. And as bandwith improves, look for TV, CABLE,
and Satelitte to get screwed too.
Radio is already becoming quite a force on the net. Even better, any
average Joe that has a Real Audio or Xing server can set up his own
little net station.
Howard Bingham
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of gasoline to the point that people will use public transportation more..
Local bus & train systems would like it & it would clean up the
environment...
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Tracey
Detour wrote:
>
> The net in itself is a different monster entirely from what the big
> politicians are used to regulating. The LD companies are all jumping
> into the internet business..They realize that the future does not
> look bright for them. And as bandwith improves, look for TV, CABLE,
> and Satelitte to get screwed too.
>
Well, the power and money grubbing LD companies are not going to go down
without a fight so to speak. They are already calling for new taxes.
They are "willing" to accept tax dollars which will be collected from
the net service providers who collect them from the users, of course.
The LD companies do not want phone use to stop, but they do want to use
it as a political tool. The locals say they are not getting enough cash
out of this "net craze" too. So they are calling for Congress to step
in and allow new forms of taxation on net usage, or new taxes on all
phone bills to pay them off.
You can bet that in the end, both LD and local phone providers will bend
the ear and pad the pockets of enough congressman to get new taxes
imposed on net service providers. What does it mean in the long haul?
Higher prices for local phone service, and or net access and only
because the old phone companies have enough bucks to lobby (bribe)
enough politicians.
Tracey
Larry Kessler wrote:
>
> On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:59:45 -0600, Tracey <trac...@swbell.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Larry Kessler wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for a needed reality check.
> >
> >Larry, if thats all it takes to make you feel better
>
> nice...
A perfect AIDS vaccine: avoid having multiple sexual partners. Thats a
disease that 99% of the infected could have avoided.
Cancer and Heart disease are the two major killers in this country.
That is where we need to apply serious research funds. Each year, aids
kills far fewer than either of the above.
Bud
Tracey <trac...@swbell.net> wrote in article <35189D...@swbell.net>...
> >
> Well, the power and money grubbing LD companies are not going to go down
> without a fight so to speak. They are already calling for new taxes.
> They are "willing" to accept tax dollars which will be collected from
> the net service providers who collect them from the users, of course.
> The LD companies do not want phone use to stop, but they do want to use
> it as a political tool. The locals say they are not getting enough cash
> out of this "net craze" too. So they are calling for Congress to step
> in and allow new forms of taxation on net usage, or new taxes on all
> phone bills to pay them off.
> You can bet that in the end, both LD and local phone providers will bend
> the ear and pad the pockets of enough congressman to get new taxes
> imposed on net service providers. What does it mean in the long haul?
> Higher prices for local phone service, and or net access and only
> because the old phone companies have enough bucks to lobby (bribe)
> enough politicians.
>
conservatives? Tracey/David, are you trying to tell us that Republicans
and cobservatives are BAD? Are you trying to tell us that the govt. should
get involved to ensure that the various phone companies don't raise the
rates? Tracey/David, you sound just like a ------- liberal!!!!!!!!
Erik
On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:12:42 -0600, Tracey <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>Bud wrote:
>
>> Having lived in Europe for almost a decade, I can second the above. (And
>> you didn't mention what happens if you get a good rain. You can expect the
>> phone lines to be messed up for hours --either getting so much static you
>> can't hear, or the call won't go through etc.) And it's even worse if you
>> visit Africa or parts of Asis. In many cases, you're lucky to just find a
>> working phone.
>
>STOP IT! STOP IT!
>You're causing my heart to bleed fiber optic cable for them!
Gosh, Tracey, you think that a 100% copper network will carry those 56K modem
signals that everyone seems to love these days? Fat chance - even with
high-quality copper. "Last-mile" fiber is the reason that modem speeds keep
getting faster, not just the faster modems.
- Erik Smith
[ http://helix.dorm.utexas.edu ]
[ Disclaimer: I am not responsible for any sputtering, ]
[ righteous indignation you may feel. ]
Erik
On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:59:45 -0600, Tracey <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>Larry Kessler wrote:
>
>> Thanks for a needed reality check.
>>
>
>Larry, if thats all it takes to make you feel better, do you know that
>the Brits are paying about $4.5O dollars for a gallon of gas?
Do you know *why* gas costs that much in Europe? It's because the tax is that
high to combat all the epollution caused by the marvelous internal combustion
engine. It also serves to discourage frivelous operation of motor vehicles.
Tracey Levin
Erik wrote:
> >
> >STOP IT! STOP IT!
> >You're causing my heart to bleed fiber optic cable for them!
>
> Gosh, Tracey, you think that a 100% copper network will carry those 56K modem
> signals that everyone seems to love these days? Fat chance - even with
> high-quality copper. "Last-mile" fiber is the reason that modem speeds keep
> getting faster, not just the faster mode
Erik, I do not know of any fiber being run right to the customers location.Fiber
is so wonderfully fast, that it really is the only way to go, but the stupid phone
company managers are dragging their feet according to the lineman who comes by my
office.
He says that no decision has been made to run fiber to the customer, but they are
considering it.
I'll translate that: The execs at the local phone companies are trying to milk
Congress to help them pay for laying the fiber to each house.
Fiber is usually used as a trunk back to the main switch office, or for long
distance routing.
Tracey Levin
Erik wrote:
> On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 01:59:45 -0600, Tracey <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Larry Kessler wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks for a needed reality check.
> >>
> >
> >Larry, if thats all it takes to make you feel better, do you know that
> >the Brits are paying about $4.5O dollars for a gallon of gas?
>
> Do you know *why* gas costs that much in Europe? It's because the tax is that
> high to combat all the epollution caused by the marvelous internal combustion
> engine. It also serves to discourage frivelous operation of motor vehicles.
Yep, Al Gores exist all over the world.
But, I have to ask you this: Should we be allowing the jackasses (Al Gores) in
Washington to tell us that we cannot operate our vehicles in a frivolous way?
WHAT ARROGANCE on the part of any politician! In the US, the federal government
has no right to limit vehicle operation except maybe in time of war.
You see, here is their problem....Our great great great grandfathers left behind
the wimps. We are cut from a different cloth. The gene pool in Europe is
contaminated. It produces girlymen who allow tyrants to dictate to them.
Erik
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:22:24 -0600, Tracey Levin <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>Yep, Al Gores exist all over the world.
>But, I have to ask you this: Should we be allowing the jackasses (Al Gores) in
>Washington to tell us that we cannot operate our vehicles in a frivolous way?
>WHAT ARROGANCE on the part of any politician! In the US, the federal government
>has no right to limit vehicle operation except maybe in time of war.
>You see, here is their problem....Our great great great grandfathers left behind
>the wimps. We are cut from a different cloth. The gene pool in Europe is
>contaminated. It produces girlymen who allow tyrants to dictate to them.
Congratulations, Tracey: You have resorted to outright bigotry against not only
homosexuals and AIDS sufferers, but also bigotry against Europeans in general.
But you're not going to respond to this, right?
Ever been to Los Angeles? Did you know that that orange cloud hanging over it is
full of all kind of nifty compounds like sulfur oxides and nitrous oxides and
ozone? Did you know that all of these are toxic? Since it looks like Detroit
will keep going like it has in the past, it's up to the Feds to keep not only us
from choking on clouds of the vile stuff, but also to prevent such
unpleasantries such as acid rain.
If you're going to harp on individual rights, keep in mind that it's your
gasoline that you're burining, and thus your pollution that's damaging the local
environment. If "individual repsonsibility" is to be implemented to the level
that the conservatives and Libertarians are calling for, you could be held
liable for the toxic by-products of your engine should they injure someone or
damage any property. It's far-fetched, but it's the way things could be moving.
And since you're so concerned about the unborn, consider what effects that
today's excess and flatulance will have on future generations that must deal
with dwindling energy supplies and debilitating pollution left behind by our
generation[s].
- Erik Smith
[ http://helix.dorm.utexas.edu ]
[ Writings, thoughts, Dream Theater MIDI, ]
[ and that "E/" thing - all in one place. ]
Tracey Levin
Nighthawk wrote:
> Well since the Al Gores and other jackasses put the ROAD YOU DRIVE
> THAT CAR ON, I guess they do have a modicum of say into what you put
> onto it.
Al Gore and the other jackasses have done no more than you or I to provide the roads
we all drive on. And, other than for military purposes, I see no constitutional
provision for federal government involvement in road building. It has become very
common for the federal government to use federal highway funds as a means to force
the states to comply with unwanted regulations, or laws. This is certainly a misuse
of power by the federal government. I would vote in a moment to end this system of
coercion. The people of each state should decide these issues. They may decide that
each county is totally responsible for its roads.
"If God does not exist, I am not responsible to him."
"If I tell others he does not exist, maybe they will try to forget about him too."
"If I continue to deny that he exists, maybe he will just go away."
Anthony Sloan
Tracey Levin wrote:
>
> Yep, Al Gores exist all over the world.
> But, I have to ask you this: Should we be allowing the jackasses (Al Gores) in
> Washington to tell us that we cannot operate our vehicles in a frivolous way?
> WHAT ARROGANCE on the part of any politician! In the US, the federal government
> has no right to limit vehicle operation except maybe in time of war.
> You see, here is their problem....Our great great great grandfathers left behind
> the wimps. We are cut from a different cloth. The gene pool in Europe is
> contaminated. It produces girlymen who allow tyrants to dictate to them.
I would like to say,
"BWaaHAHAHAHAHAHAHAaaaa!!!"
You seem to be indicating that life in America sprang up spontaneously
from some sort of primordial ooze, say about 1776.
My advice is to get off the 'net and go read some history. Or go to any
English pub, preferrably one of those really classy lorry-driver's
hangouts on the M40, and personally inform them of their
girly-manliness. They probably would think that was pretty funny coming
from a guy what calls himself Tracey.
A
--
"Things that upset a terrier may pass virtually unnoticed by a Great
Dane."
Smiley Blanton
Adrian Burd
Tracey Levin wrote:
> You see, here is their problem....Our great great great grandfathers
> left behind the wimps. We are cut from a different cloth. The gene
> pool in Europe is contaminated. It produces girlymen who allow
> tyrants to dictate to them.
And of course, your genetic makeup is perfection itself, being
so obviously a member of the master race.
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Tracey
Adrian Burd wrote:
>
> Tracey Levin wrote:
>
> > You see, here is their problem....Our great great great grandfathers
> > left behind the wimps. We are cut from a different cloth. The gene
> > pool in Europe is contaminated. It produces girlymen who allow
> > tyrants to dictate to them.
>
> And of course, your genetic makeup is perfection itself, being
> so obviously a member of the master race.
Actually, my family is from Israel, but I am a Christian. Many Jews are
now becoming followers or Christ. I don't think I qualify as coming
from anything close to a "master race". We were used to stoke the fires
of those trying to perfect the master race.
Clay
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:16:51 -0600, Tracey <trac...@swbell.net>
wrote:
>Many Jews are now becoming followers or Christ.
Well I'm glad *someone* is finally becomming Christ. Can someone be
both a follower AND Christ or is it an either-or type of thing? With
all those Christ's running around it must be kind of confusing.
Yes, I know it was just a typo, but I couldn't resist.
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jo...@waymark.net
l...@wt.net (Larry Kessler) wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:11:12 -0600, Snidely Whiplash wrote:
>
> >I love to read the whining about how "ripped off" we are with our
> >telephone service. Let me give you a clue. The US has the cheapest, most
> >reliable telephone service on the planet, and if you ever venture forth
> >out into the world, you will realize that. Almost EVERY other country
> >charges by the minute, including local calls. Whenever we have visitors
> >to our company, from all over the globe, they are amazed at how easily
> >you can pick up a phone, dial a long distance call and be connected in
> >seconds, for a few cents. Check the rates in other countries and see
> >what you are missing. Better yet, look at the global cellular rates. See
> >what you're missing.
>
Too bad it bounced. The 286 is better than the 8088, but that doesn't mean
we should all be satisfied with 286's. Sure, maybe we have it better than
others, but that's no reason to just accept a situation that could be far
better than it is.
--
Joe Bramblett
jo...@waymark.net
The experiment has begun. A million monkeys at a million keyboards.
We call it Usenet.
Craig K. Gowens (Commissioner of the SWC)
Tracey Levin <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
> Nighthawk wrote:
>
> > Well since the Al Gores and other jackasses put the ROAD YOU DRIVE
> > THAT CAR ON, I guess they do have a modicum of say into what you put
> > onto it.
>
> Al Gore and the other jackasses have done no more than you or I to
> provide the roads we all drive on.
Mind providing proof? How many road improvement bills have you sponsored?
or voted for? I doubt you vote for such bond elections as it only ends
up raising your taxes in the end and we most certainly couldn't have that.
> And, other than for military purposes, I see no constitutional
> provision for federal government involvement in road building.
> It has become very common for the federal government to use
> federal highway funds as a means to force the states to comply
> with unwanted regulations, or laws. This is certainly a misuse
> of power by the federal government.
From Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution of the United States of America:
"The Congress shall have Power to ... provide for the common Defence and
general welfare of the Unites States...to regulate Commerce...amoung the
several States...to establish Post Offices and post Roads...to make all
laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the
foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the
Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof."
So Congress has the power and right to maintain and regulate roads for the
use of the military, interstate commerce and the post office. In addition,
maintaining safe, passable roads free of drunk drivers does promote the
general welfare of the United States. The government has the right to keep
money from the several states that do not wish to follow the government's
conditions. Why should the government spend its valuable money on highways
in states where the state does not have enough concern for its citizens to
secure that its roads are as safe as possible. The federal government has
the right to protect the general welfare of all Americans by forcing states
to follow certain measures. On the flip side of the arguement, where does
the Constitution specifically forbid the use of federal monies to road
construction or maintenance. Such action is not prohibited from the Congress'
Power in Article I, Section 9. Considering the government is given some
power over roads in Article I, Section 8, the Amendment X does not apply.
> I would vote in a moment to end this system of coercion.
But its OK for Pro-Life groups to coerce women to not have abortions.
Hypocrite. You are a hypocrite pure and simple.
> The people of each state should decide these issues.
Is it not the duty of the federal government to provide for the welfare
of its citizens? States can build and maintain roads if it so likes. So
can the federal government. States can't use federal money to build or
maintain state owned roads if they are unwilling to accept the conditions
the government places on the acceptance of this money.
> They may decide that each county is totally responsible for its roads.
Counties can be responsible for their roads if they choose to make roads
to benefit the welfare of their citizens. So can the states and so can
the federal government.
Craig K. Gowens
Hook'em Horns
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http://www.utexas.edu/athletics/
"I feel a little sleazy about [stalling the game to reach the 4:00
curfew], but it helps to be prideless in that situation."
--Augie Garrido, after Texas beat LSU in a curfew shortened game
"Quit calling it 'stalling' and call it 'time mangement' as it is
known in football and basketball, and glorify the coach who can use
it to his team's advantage."
--"Ballgirl", fellow Texas Baseball nut and frequent poster on
gobig12.com BBS, commenting on Garrido's "stalling" vs LSU
Craig K. Gowens (Commissioner of the SWC)
cl...@NOSPAMbga.com wrote:
> Tracey <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> >Many Jews are now becoming followers or Christ.
>
> Well I'm glad *someone* is finally becomming Christ. Can someone be
> both a follower AND Christ or is it an either-or type of thing? With
> all those Christ's running around it must be kind of confusing.
>
> Yes, I know it was just a typo, but I couldn't resist.
If you didn't, I would have. ;-)
Craig K. Gowens (Commissioner of the SWC)
Tracey Levin <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>
> Yep, Al Gores exist all over the world.
> But, I have to ask you this: Should we be allowing the jackasses (Al Gores) in
> Washington to tell us that we cannot operate our vehicles in a frivolous way?
Yes they can if its adversely effects the country. Your rights end where
mine begin. Your right to drive drunk or emit topic polluntants with
your car ends when I end up being injured in an accident you cause or have
to breathe the air you polluted.
> WHAT ARROGANCE on the part of any politician!
What arrogance on the part of a certain theocrat infesting this (and other)
newsgroups.
> In the US, the federal government
> has no right to limit vehicle operation except maybe in time of war.
The federal government has the right to regulate things that negatively
effect the environment, the air we breathe or the water we drink. Under
the provisions of Article I, Section 8 and Article II, Section 2, the
Congress created the EPA and other agencies with the full power to regulate
pollutants, cars included. That's just one aspect of how the government
can lawfully regulate car usage.
> You see, here is their problem....Our great great great grandfathers
left behind
> the wimps.
Who is the wimps. The US stood by in WWII after France fell leaving the very
valient British fight the war against the Nazis for nearly two years almost
singlehandedly.
> We are cut from a different cloth.
A vast majority of Americans are of some descent from the British Isles
be it Irish, Scottish or English. Ofcourse one of the best things about
the US is its diversity. You ofcourse want to limit this based on remarks
you made in previous threads.
> The gene pool in Europe is
> contaminated. It produces girlymen who allow tyrants to dictate to them.
Pardon me? What current European nation is a dictatorship? In the past,
many, if not most or even all, were a monarchy of some kind. If you wish
to degrade them for this, you must degrade the Israelites of the Old Testament
who were ruled by Kings such as David or Saul.
Conan The Librarian
In article <35199FBF...@swbell.net>, Tracey Levin
<trac...@swbell.net> writes:
> [snip]
>
> The gene pool in Europe is
> contaminated. It produces girlymen who allow tyrants to dictate to them.
Where did your ancestors come from?
Chuck Vance
Erik
On Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:03:50 -0600, Tracey Levin <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
>Al Gore and the other jackasses have done no more than you or I to provide the roads
>we all drive on. And, other than for military purposes, I see no constitutional
>provision for federal government involvement in road building. It has become very
>common for the federal government to use federal highway funds as a means to force
>the states to comply with unwanted regulations, or laws.
If the Federal government isn't supposed to build roads, then what are you
whining about stipulations on highway money for? The Feds certainly aren't bound
to giving the states money...
You would have us go back to the Articles of Confederation with your goofy
states' rights positions. If we do that, we'll rapidly have 50 different
republics with 50 different sets of laws.
You want to go to New York? Got your passport? Has Texas been getting along with
New York? What about the border skirmeshes between Tennesee and its neighbors?
Militants have been taking down jetliners with Stingers lately, you know...
It is in the best interest of the nation to have uniform laws throughout.
>This is certainly a misuse
>of power by the federal government. I would vote in a moment to end this system of
>coercion. The people of each state should decide these issues. They may decide that
>each county is totally responsible for its roads.
At that rate, there will be no roads. Or will you have Federal taxes reduced and
state/county taxes raised in order
Conan The Librarian
In article <3519FDD6...@swbell.net>, Tracey Levin
<trac...@swbell.net> writes:
> Al Gore and the other jackasses have done no more than you or I to provide the roads
> we all drive on. And, other than for military purposes, I see no constitutional
> provision for federal government involvement in road building.
I would imagine that falls under "promote the general welfare".
You do believe that an interstate highway system is in the
best interests of our country, don't you?
> It has become very
> common for the federal government to use federal highway funds as a means to force
> the states to comply with unwanted regulations, or laws. This is certainly a misuse
> of power by the federal government. I would vote in a moment to end this system of
> coercion. The people of each state should decide these issues. They may decide that
> each county is totally responsible for its roads.
Uh, David/Tracey ... no one is forcing the states to take highway
money from the feds.
Chuck Vance
clay
Erik wrote:
> >This is certainly a misuse
> >of power by the federal government. I would vote in a moment to end this system of
> >coercion. The people of each state should decide these issues. They may decide that
> >each county is totally responsible for its roads.
>
> At that rate, there will be no roads. Or will you have Federal taxes reduced and
> state/county taxes raised in order
Yes I would. I don't like the way the Fed plays games by witholding the state's highway
money (That they took from the people of that state in the first place) if the state
doens't play along the way the Fed wants them too.
Ross Russell
> >we all drive on. And, other than for military purposes, I see no constitutional
> >common for the federal government to use federal highway funds as a means to force
> >the states to comply with unwanted regulations, or laws.
>
> whining about stipulations on highway money for? The Feds certainly aren't bound
> to giving the states money...
>
> You would have us go back to the Articles of Confederation with your goofy
> states' rights positions. If we do that, we'll rapidly have 50 different
> republics with 50 different sets of laws.
>
Erik, if we satisfied the states'-righters, they'd soon be spouting counties' rights
venom, then before long (after the great Travis-Williamson County Revolutionary War
of 2009), we'd be on to cities' rights, then, following North Austin defeating the
South's naval fleet in Town Lake (high-tech over brawn, sorry Bubba! ;)), we'd get
on to where they're only totally satisfied: unencumbered property rights;
anarchy, basically.
We're already seeing a trend:
Notice how the people that are whittling away at the public school system are
crying out for "local control". There's some value to local control in a
limited scope, but it seems as if that path will asymptotically approch, after
localizing further and further and further, homeshooling for all. (yuck-the Hanson
kids come to mind)
Kinda like the concentric boxes or wrapped presents gag.
Ross
Adrian Burd
Tracey wrote:
>
> Adrian Burd wrote:
> >
> > Tracey Levin wrote:
> >
> > > pool in Europe is contaminated. It produces girlymen who allow
> > > tyrants to dictate to them.
> >
> > so obviously a member of the master race.
>
> Actually, my family is from Israel, but I am a Christian. Many Jews are
> now becoming followers or Christ. I don't think I qualify as coming
> from anything close to a "master race". We were used to stoke the fires
> of those trying to perfect the master race.
So what exactly "contaminates" the European gene pool?
Please be specific since I suspect your grasp of genetics
is at least as extensive as that of politics and reality in
general.
Bud
Conan The Librarian <cv...@tegan.swt.edu> wrote in article
<1998Mar2...@tegan.swt.edu>...
provide the roads
> > we all drive on. And, other than for military purposes, I see no
constitutional
> > provision for federal government involvement in road building.
>
>
> You do believe that an interstate highway system is in the
> best interests of our country, don't you?
>
Funny thing, it was a Republican (Eisenhower for those who forget) that was
behind the massive interstate highway building project back in the 1950's.
And if I'm not mistaken, there was also a Republican majority in Cobgress
-- the last until 1994. Maybe Tracey.David can explain how all these
Republicans were really leftist liberals.
Craig K. Gowens (Commissioner of the SWC)
"Bud" <bwa...@ioanonnet.net> wrote:
>
> Funny thing, it was a Republican (Eisenhower for those who forget) that was
> behind the massive interstate highway building project back in the 1950's.
> And if I'm not mistaken, there was also a Republican majority in Cobgress
> -- the last until 1994. Maybe Tracey.David can explain how all these
> Republicans were really leftist liberals.
She/he/it/they did say other than military use, there is no reason for
national highways. Eisenhower's vision of this interstate highway
system is not as magnanimous as most believe. Eisenhower instituted the
interstate highway plan as a means of mobilization of the military in
the event of an attack on the United States. The benefits to commerce
and general travel were just extras. That's not to put him down though.
The interstate highway system is perhaps one of the greatest legacies
a US President has ever left.
Jamais & Mike
...I like Tracey... she's got that "fuck y'all I'm from Texas" attitude...
that is the beating heart of what the UNITED STATES of America was founded
upon... not: oh, Percival... you just drive that auto way too much, look at
that orange cloud your causing <<side note: is it burn orange? sound
familiar horn boy?>> you guys could learn a thing or two from T-Rex...she's
the one the ranger needs to watch out for, BooBoo...
...beside if you look at the original post... were are ranting like Dennis
Miller now... aren't we... :@D
Jamais & Mike
as the apples fall farther from the tree the Macintoshes are allowed to make
apple sauce with the Fuji's and Jonah golds... and so on.. the closer they
fall to the tree... well tell us about a little more about YOUR incestry...
sorry that was a typo... I meant to say ancestry...
.... oh and Tracey ROCKS!!!!... she's like the Jim Rome of this beleaguered
little jungle...
Tracey Levin
Jamais & Mike wrote:
I appreciate that! Read the following please. I think you'll like it!
Topic: White Water
CLINTON CONVICTS LIST (2ND EDITION)
Exclusive to Whitewater File/FreeRepublic
March 18, 1998 A WHITEWATER RESEARCHER
Below is my updated list of Clinton-related friends, colleagues, associates,
and related business entities,
who have been convicted of crimes, updated through March 18, 1998. Thirty-five
names, and
counting! The format of the list is that the names are allocated to the various
investigative categories,
with each individual/entity named and accompanied by a brief description of the
relevant crime(s) and a
source of the information. I would like to update this list on an ongoing
basis, further detailing precise
charges, number of counts, punishment ordered and served, and sources.
For the Second Edition, we have added the names of Johnny Chung and Roger
Tamraz, both to the
Campaign Finance category. We have also transferred Bill McCuen from the
Whitewater category
to the Various Arkansas category. A longstanding Arkansas Democrat political
colleague of Clinton
who was convicted of several crimes, McCuen's specific Whitewater involvement is
unclear.
I am sure my list is not complete. I thought long and hard about several names I
ultimately excluded, or
did not have enough information about. For example, Hillary Clinton's commodity
broker, Red Bone.
Bone was penalized by both the Commodity Futures Trading Commission and the
Chicago Mercantile
Exchange, but I do not know if he was actually convicted of crimes.
Please enter your additions, corrections, and clarifications to the list on the
reply string below. I hope to
update and re-post this list, perhaps every month or so. I think the list will
grow as time goes on.
Here is my updated Clinton Convicts List as of today:
VARIOUS ARKANSAS:
1) Roger Clinton: Bill Clinton brother; drug trafficking conviction (Wall
Street Journal "The Foster
Test" January 14, 1994)
2) Dan Lasater: governor Bill Clinton contributor and state contractor: drug
trafficking conviction
(Wall Street Journal "The Foster Test" January 14, 1994)
3) Dan Harmon: Arkansas Seventh Judicial District prosecuting attorney and Bill
Clinton friend and
political ally: five federal racketeering, extortion, and drug distribution
convictions (Wall Street Journal
"Arkansas Justice" June 13, 1997)
4) Bill McCuen: Bill Clinton political ally: former Arkansas Secretary of
State; bribery, tax evasion,
kickbacks convictions (Wall Street Journal: Whitewater: "The Prosecution Rests"
May 7, 1996)
WHITEWATER:
5) Webster Hubbell: Bill Clinton friend and political ally; Hillary Clinton
Rose Law Firm partner:
embezzlement; fraud; two felony convictions (Wall Street Journal "Whither
Whitewater?" October 18,
1995)
6) Jim Guy Tucker: fraud; three felony convictions (Wall Street Journal
"Second-Term Stall"
February 11, 1997; Associated Press "Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud"
February 20, 1998)
7) William J. Marks Sr.: Jim Guy Tucker business partner; one conspiracy
conviction (Associated
Press "Whitewater Defendant Pleads Guilty" August 28, 1997)
8) Jim McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally:
eighteen felony
convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)
9) Susan McDougal: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend; former wife of Jim
McDougal: four felony
convictions (Wall Street Journal "Immunize Hale" May 29, 1996)
10) David Hale: Bill and Hillary Clinton friend, banker, and political ally:
two felony convictions of
conspiracy and mail fraud (Wall Street Journal "The Arkansas Machine Strikes
Back" March 19,
1996)
11) Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker; two felony convictions (Wall
Street Journal "Hard
Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
12) Stephen Smith: former Governor Clinton aide; one conviction (Wall Street
Journal "Hard
Evidence From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
13) Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent; fraudulent loans (Wall Steet
Journal "Hard Evidence
From a Federal Investigator" August 10, 1995)
14) Robert Palmer: Madison appraiser; one conspiracy felony conviction (Wall
Street Journal "Hale
Predicts Hillary Conviction" October 21, 1996)
15) Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president; embezzled bank funds for Clinton
campaign; two
misdemeanor convictions (Wall Street Journal "Arkansas Bank Shot" May 4, 1995)
16) John Latham: Madison Bank CEO; bank fraud conviction (Wall Street Journal
"Smoke Without
Fire" January 12, 1996)
17) John Haley: attorney for Jim Guy Tucker; misdemeanor guilty plea; tax fraud
(Associated Press
"Tucker Pleads Guilty to Cable Fraud" February 20, 1998)
ESPY:
18) Tyson Foods: guilty plea; $6 million federal court fines and
investigative costs (Washington Post
"Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30, 1997)
19) Sun-Diamond Growers: $1.5 million fine for illegal campaign contributions
to Espy's brother
(Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
20) Richard Douglas: former Sun-Diamond Growers official; several bribery
convictions and guilty
pleas(Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December 30,
1997; Associated
Press: "Lobbyist Pleads Guilty in Espy Case" March 17, 1998)
21) James H. Lake: Sun-Diamond Growers lobbyist; three convictions regarding
illegal campaign
contributions to Espy's brother (Associated Press "A Look at Mike Espy
Investigation" August 27,
1997)
22) Ron Blackley: Espy's chief of staff: financial fraud conviction;
twenty-seven month prison
sentence (Washington Post "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy" December
30, 1997;
Associated Press: "Judge Sentences Espy Aide to Jail" March 18, 1998)
23) Smith Barney: improper payments to Espy; $1 million-plus fine (Associated
Press: "A Look at
Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
24) Crop Growers Corporation: $2 million fine for money laundering to Henry
Espy's campaign
(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
25) Brook Keith Mitchell Sr. (with his company Five M Farming Enterprises:
four counts) for fraud
(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
26) Five M Farming Enterprises (with owner Brook Keith Mitchell: four counts)
for fraud
(Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27, 1997)
27) John J. Hemmingson, former head of Crop Growers Corporation: three counts
relating to illegal
campaign contributions to Henry Espy (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy
Investigation" August
27, 1997)
28) Alvarez T. Ferrouillet, Jr., Louisiana lawyer and Henry Espy campaign
finance head: ten count
conviction (Associated Press: "A Look at Mike Espy Investigation" August 27,
1997)
29) Municipal Healthcare Cooperative: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury,
bank fraud, money
laundering convictions (Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to
Espy" December 30,
1997)
30) Ferrouillet & Ferrouillet: Ferrouillet-related company; perjury, bank
fraud, money laundering
convictions (Washington Post: "Tyson Foods Admits Illegal Gifts to Espy"
December 30, 1997)
CAMPAIGN FINANCE:
31) Michael Brown (Ron Brown's son): money laundering; misdemeanor conviction
(Los Angeles
Times, "Ron Brown's Son Pleads Guilty to Illegal Donation" August 29, 1997)
32) Eugene Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony
conviction; money
laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out"
September 10, 1997)
33) Nora Lum: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; felony
conviction; money
laundering (Los Angeles Times, "First Fund-Raising Sentences Meted Out"
September 10, 1997)
34) Johnny Chung: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits
to Clinton White
House and Oval Office with mainland Chinese associates; several illegal campaign
contributions, money
laundering, tax fraud, and bank fraud guilty pleas (Associated Press: "Democrat
Fund-Raiser Pleads
Guilty" March 17, 1998)
35) Roger Tamraz: Clinton/Gore campaign contributor and colleague; many visits
to Clinton White
House and Oval Office; fugitive from Lebanon embezzlement convictions; target of
French government
financial investigation; BCCI connections (The Wall Street Journal: "Integrity
of the Institutions" March
20, 1997, et. al.)
There are, of course, many more indictments, trials, and convictions likely in
all of the Whitewater,
Espy and Campaign Finance investigations (e.g., Espy: Tyson Foods chief
lobbyist Jack Williams,
Tyson Foods corporate spokesman Archie Schaefer; Campaign Finance: Clinton/Gore
fundraisers/colleagues Charlie Trie and Maria Hsia).
We will probably also have to add a Clinton Sex Crimes category.
Dusty Moer
Local service competition will probably eventually come for Dallas or Houston,
but do you think AT&T is going to rush into College Station (or better yet,
Snook and North Zulch) to lose money? Fat chance.
Tracey wrote:
> Read my lips...LOCAL COMPETITION FOR ALL THE BELLS!
> If AT$T can handle it, then so can the Bell systems.
> And, franky, I don't give a damn about what others pay to mail a letter,
> for a gallon of gas, or for their local phone service. We have it
> better and we aim to keep it that way!
> If we can do it, why can't they??????????
Daryl D. Spillmann
This topic sound like a movie I saw at a batchelor party.
--
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Daryl D. Spillmann
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Clayton Colwell
Daryl D. Spillmann (dar...@pop.tamu.edu) wrote:
: This topic sound like a movie I saw at a batchelor party.
Sounds reasonable to me. Barring Bobbitting or sex-change, men,
by virtue of being attached to their own penis, are certainly
living by it and thus shall die by it.
****** Clay Colwell (aka StealthSmurf) ********** er...@bga.com ******
* "In the future, we will recognize software crashes as technologically *
* mandated ergonomic rest breaks - and we will pay extra for them." *
* -- Crazy Uncle Joe Hannibal *
J-Mag
In houston.general Erik <dr.fei...@DELETETHIS.mail.utexas.edu> wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:12:42 -0600, Tracey <trac...@swbell.net> wrote:
> >Bud wrote:
> >
> >> Having lived in Europe for almost a decade, I can second the above. (And
> >> you didn't mention what happens if you get a good rain. You can expect the
> >> phone lines to be messed up for hours --either getting so much static you
> >> can't hear, or the call won't go through etc.) And it's even worse if you
> >> visit Africa or parts of Asis. In many cases, you're lucky to just find a
> >> working phone.
> >
> >STOP IT! STOP IT!
> >You're causing my heart to bleed fiber optic cable for them!
> Gosh, Tracey, you think that a 100% copper network will carry those 56K modem
> signals that everyone seems to love these days? Fat chance - even with
> high-quality copper. "Last-mile" fiber is the reason that modem speeds keep
> getting faster, not just the faster modems.
Yup. It's not the fiber that makes 56k possible -- it's digital (read
ISDN) switching. AAMOF, fiber lets your local telco cheat you out of your
56K capability (by being tight with the bits/bandwidth). With copper you
have the ability to sometimes get "better'n spec" phone lines, but with
fiber you are virtually guaranteed to get exactly spec and no more. 56k
technology requires a "better'n spec" phone line to work (as well as
having certain other requirements.
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- J-Mag Guthrie
http://www.brokersys.com/~j-mag
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