Windows 7

[Paul King]

Hi All:

I was looking at the recent announcement for Windows 7 upgrades that are
being offered by Microsoft at a reduced rate until July 11, and reviewing
the different versions has me wondering if I must upgrade to Windows 7
Ultimate (no discount offered) to be able to use both English and Japanese
on my system. The feature comparison at the following URL seems to indicate
that multi-language capability is only offered in the ultimate version.
See:

http://www.microsoftstore.com/s/windows7?WT.mc_id=pointitsem_win7_generic_up
grade&WT.srch=1

I can't believe this is so, but does anyone know for sure?

Thanks in Advance,

Paul King
Heber, Utah

[Roland Hechtenberg]

Paul King wrote:

> I was looking at the recent announcement for Windows 7 upgrades that are
> being offered by Microsoft at a reduced rate until July 11, and reviewing
> the different versions has me wondering if I must upgrade to Windows 7
> Ultimate (no discount offered) to be able to use both English and Japanese
> on my system. The feature comparison at the following URL seems to indicate
> that multi-language capability is only offered in the ultimate version.

That depends on what you mean by "use English and Japanese".
If you want to have the entire system, indluding menus, help,
etc. in either English or Japanese or a lot of other languages,
you will need the Ultimate version, the same as with Vista.

Have fun,

Roland

[Ben Bullock]

With Windows XP you could not change the interface language of menus
or operating system help. For example, if you bought a
Japanese-language version of Windows XP you could not change the menus
to being in German or something. Windows Vista added the capability to
switch the user interface between different languages, the
"Multilingual User Interface" or MUI. But the MUI is not available in
all versions of Vista. For example the "Home Basic" version of Vista
does not allow one to do this.

However, even though you cannot switch the user interface language
(the language used in menus or help text) in Vista, you can still use
various languages, the same as in Windows XP. For example, you can
enter Japanese text in Microsoft Word in an English version of Windows
Vista.

Ben Bullock

[Roland Hechtenberg]

Ben Bullock wrote:

> With Windows XP you could not change the interface language of menus
> or operating system help.

Actually, you could do it if you were a corporation, had bought
the MUI program, and had the Ennglish version to start with.

> But the MUI is not available in all versions of Vista.

It is available _only_ in the Ultimate version.

Have fun,

Roland

[Ben Bullock]

2009/7/3 Roland Hechtenberg <rol...@ictv.ne.jp>:

>
> Ben Bullock wrote:
>
>> With Windows XP you could not change the interface language of menus
>> or operating system help.
>
> Actually, you could do it if you were a corporation, had bought
> the MUI program, and had the Ennglish version to start with.

There is something called MUI with Windows XP, but the Vista language
switching is a new feature of the operating system:

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc721887(WS.10).aspx

It's not the same thing as the MUI feature in Windows XP.

>> But the MUI is not available in all versions of Vista.
>
> It is available _only_ in the Ultimate version.

According to the above link, it is available in the Ultimate and the
Enterprise versions.

There is also Vistalizator at http://www.froggie.sk/ if you have the
other versions. However I couldn't get this to work.

[Roland Hechtenberg]

Ben Bullock wrote:

> There is something called MUI with Windows XP, but the Vista language
> switching is a new feature of the operating system:

It is an upgrade of the MUI, not something radically new.

>>> But the MUI is not available in all versions of Vista.
>> It is available _only_ in the Ultimate version.
>
> According to the above link, it is available in the Ultimate and the
> Enterprise versions.

Just like the MUI for XP, the Enterprise version of Vista is not
available to you and me (unless you are a Corporation).

Have fun (and the operation system in your choice of language),

Roland

[Jean-Christophe Helary]

On vendredi 03 juil. 09, at 11:20, Paul King wrote:

> The feature comparison at the following URL seems to indicate
> that multi-language capability is only offered in the ultimate
> version.
> See:

Mac OSX also has an Ultimate Version that offers multi-language
capability.

The difference is that OSX only has one version: the Ultimate Version.

Where everything is available for everybody.

Jean-Christophe Helary

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http://mac4translators.blogspot.com/

[John Zimet]

On Fri, 3 Jul 2009 19:29:16 +0900
Ben Bullock <benkasmi...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> With Windows XP you could not change the interface language of menus
> or operating system help.

My work edition of XP can change languages for menu and help.

Not at home though.

Best Regards
John

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
John Zimet Redmond, Washington USA

jo...@jts-i.com
http://www.jts-i.com
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[Roland Hechtenberg]

John Zimet wrote:
> My work edition of XP can change languages for menu and help.
>

A corporate version?
> Not at home though.
>
Perzactly!

Have fun (and a corporate version),

Roland

[John Zimet]

On Sat, 04 Jul 2009 16:01:21 +0900
Roland Hechtenberg <rol...@ictv.ne.jp> wrote:

>
> John Zimet wrote:
> > My work edition of XP can change languages for menu and help.
> >
> A corporate version?

Yes

[Paul King]

> Roland responded:

>
> That depends on what you mean by "use English and Japanese".
> If you want to have the entire system, indluding menus, help,
> etc. in either English or Japanese or a lot of other
> languages, you will need the Ultimate version, the same as with Vista.
>

To clarify I use English XP Pro. I don't care if I can change system menus
as much as I care about being able to install Japanese programs and not have
their menus and help turn into mojibake. Right now my English programs'
menus and help are in English and my Japanese programs' menus and help are
in Japanese. I don't have the "corporate version" of XP, but it is XP
Professional. Will Windows 7 Pro do this? or does this require the ultimate
version?

Thanks for the responses thus far.

Paul King

[Roland Hechtenberg]

Paul King wrote:

> To clarify I use English XP Pro. I don't care if I can change system menus
> as much as I care about being able to install Japanese programs and not have
> their menus and help turn into mojibake.

To the best of my knowledge, that ability already existed since
Windows 95. You just have to set the language for programs not
using Unicode to Japanese.

> Right now my English programs' menus and help are in English and my
> Japanese programs' menus and help are in Japanese.

With only English and Japanese, you are in luck as long as you
set your language for non-Unicode programs to Japanese.
I have English programs, Japanese programs, and German programs,
and I can have either English and Japanese or English and German
running together without problems, but not all three.
Interestingly, my Japanese fax program runs without problems
(although with mojibake) on my computer set to German, but when I
set that Computer to Japanese, the German Duden Korrektor
spell-checker no longer functions correctly.

> I don't have the "corporate version" of XP, but it is XP
> Professional. Will Windows 7 Pro do this? or does this require the ultimate
> version?

Any version of Windows 7 should be able to do that, just as any
version of Vista or XP is able to do that.

Have fun,

Roland

[Paul King]

Thanks Roland, that is the assurance I was looking for.

Now to get the order in by July 11

Paul King

[Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven]

-On [20090705 07:54], Paul King (myl...@nichibei.com) wrote:
>To clarify I use English XP Pro. I don't care if I can change system menus
>as much as I care about being able to install Japanese programs and not have
>their menus and help turn into mojibake.

There is also the route via
http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/apploc.mspx which wraps your
applications so that they display/run as they should without making
system-wide changes (which in turn might infect other applications).

--
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Whoever undertakes to set himself up as judge in the field of truth
and knowledge is shipwrecked by the laughter of the Gods.

[Roland Hechtenberg]

Jeroen Ruigrok van der Werven wrote:

> There is also the route via
> http://www.microsoft.com/globaldev/tools/apploc.mspx which wraps your
> applications so that they display/run as they should without making
> system-wide changes (which in turn might infect other applications).

Thanks!!!
Worked like a charm.
A pity that it apparently does not work for Vista.

Have fun,

Roland