Pants?
Karen Sandness
Now I always thought that パンツ without any kind of modifier referred to underwear, but since I haven't been to Japan for five years, this could have changed.
Would contemporary Japanese use パンツ as a generic term for trousers, slacks, cargo pants, jeans, etc.? I'd like some advice from those of you currently living in Japan. Thanks!
One leg at a timely yours,
Karen Sandness
Eleanor Goldsmith
> Would contemporary Japanese use パンツ as a generic term for trousers,
slacks, cargo pants, jeans, etc.? I'd like some advice from those of you
currently living in Japan. Thanks!
Hi Karen, I similarly haven't been in Japan for the last five years, but
Wikipedia's Japanese entry for パンツ says that it's all in the intonation:
上記2つの意味で使われるため、どちらの意味で使われているかは文脈などから判断
しなければならない。日本国内ではズボンを「パンツ」（平板型）、下着を「パン
ツ」（頭高型）と呼んで区別したり、下着のパンツを特に「アンダーパンツ」と呼ん
だりする（各太字はアクセント核）。
HTH
Yours with the last mora high,
Eleanor Goldsmith
Auckland, NZ
Masako Sato
Yoshiro Shibasaki
American: pants
British: trousers
American: underpants
British: pants
Yoshi
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Susan Murata
qualified with something such as カットパンツ
Hope this helps,
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min_sakurauchi
Goldsmithさんご指摘の通りのようです）、息子／娘からの情報によると、書
く文章においては、若い人の間では「パンツ」=「ズボン」になってきた いみ
たいです。多分アメリカからの影響でしょう。
もっと詳しいニュアンスの違いなどは、もっと若いNSJに譲ります。
M. Sakurauchi
Wayne Root
Doreen Simmons
> I thought the British for the stated "pants (i.e. underpants) " was
> "knickers." Harking back to my days in the US Army you would never have used
> the word "pants," it was always "trousers." "Men do not wear pants, they
> wear trousers."
To me, 'knickers' is very much out of date; it refers to a garment
with little legs with elastic (descended, presumably, from the
original bloomers) ; went out when panties got more like two-piece
swimsuit bottoms.
FWIW, Doreen
Chris Poole
Wha?
Australians call them “underpants”.
“Pants” are pretty well any sort of trousers, but not underwear.
“Knickers” is a delicate and sort of funny word for women’s underwear, not men’s.
JFYI
Chris
Yumiko Funatsu
As already mentioned here, パンツ used to used to refer underwear.
Recently, パンツ is also used to refer trousers, slacks and carg pants
especially in the fashion industry.
However, I don't know why, we don't use パンツ for jeans. We use デニム
instead of パンツ for jeans.
Normally, the meaning of パンツ may differ depending on who uses it.
For example, for kids (maybe for olders), パンツ means underweare. I used
to say to my daughter, "はやくぱんつはきなさい！" after taking a bath when she was
a baby.
HTH,
Yumiko
Jonathan Michaels
> I used
> to say to my daughter, "はやくぱんつはきなさい！" after taking a bath when she was
> a baby.
her baby daughter in hiragana, because she wouldn't understand
katakana or kanji yet!"
(Sorry for the digression—just wanted to share the laugh I got from
the absurdity of my own initial reaction. I immediately imagined a
cute little two-panel comic strip with a mother saying 「早くパンツを履きなさい！」,
a baby responding with a thought bubble full of confused question
marks, and the mother "rephrasing" as above.)
Jonathan
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Mito, Japan
Alan Siegrist
> However, I don't know why, we don't use パンツ for jeans.
> We use デニム instead of パンツ for jeans.
Are you forgetting ジーパン(Gパン)?
I assume ジーパン was originally a shortening of ジーンズ・パンツ.
Regards,
Alan Siegrist
Carmel, CA, USA
Yumiko Funatsu
You remind me that we have two words for jeans; デニム and ジーパン。Thanks!
I often find デニム in a little-bit "snob" fashion magazin.
ジーパン is often used for daily conversation.
Yumiko Funatsu
> (Sorry for the digression—just wanted to share the laugh I got from
> the absurdity of my own initial reaction. I immediately imagined a
> cute little two-panel comic strip with a mother saying 「早くパンツを履きなさい！」,
> a baby responding with a thought bubble full of confused question
> marks, and the mother "rephrasing" as above.)
Yumiko
Benjamin Barrett
Benjamin Barrett
Seattle, WA
Doreen Simmons
Richard Sadowsky
パンツ for women's slacks or shorts.
Photos of front cover and first inside spread page of a Japanese magazine
for women over 40, GLOW (or GROW?) I took today:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34671/GLOW.pants1.jpg (short pants)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34671/GLOW.pants2.jpg (Cover)
Cover copy:
あなたを変える
運命のパンツは
この１本です！
However, the meaning of undershorts/underwear is still alive as evidenced
by this site and a radio commercial for Gunze Body Wild:
http://www.bodywild.com/products/bw/index.html
Radio commercial:
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/34671/Gunze.mp3
For fun...
Richard
At 11:03 AM +0900 04/21/12, Doreen Simmons wrote:
>Yumiko,
>
>'Denim' is high fashion at the moment, and refers to the cloth, not simply
>jeans made with it. Only a week ago (or thereabouts) there was on TV a
>fashion parade of models wearing 'Japanese denim' -- and for the first
>time in my life I was impressed. Some of the men's suits and women's
>dresses looked really nice. Whereas all my adult life I have worn jeans
>only for heavy digging.
>
>Doreen
>
>2012/4/20 Yumiko Funatsu
><<mailto:yum...@da2.so-net.ne.jp>yum...@da2.so-net.ne.jp>
>
>Alan,
>
>You remind me that we have two words for jeans; デニム and ジーパン。Thanks!
>
>
>I often find デニム in a little-bit "snob" fashion magazin.
>ジーパン is often used for daily conversation.
>
>
>On 4月19日, 午後9:37, "Alan Siegrist" <AlanFSiegr...@Comcast.net> wrote:
>> Yumiko Funatsu writes:
>> > However, I don't know why, we don't use パンツ for jeans.
>> > We use デニム instead of パンツ for jeans.
>>
>> Are you forgetting ジーパン(Gパン)?
>>
>> I assume ジーパン was originally a shortening of ジーンズ・パンツ.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Alan Siegrist
>> Carmel, CA, USA
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