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rogerinhaw...@aol.com  
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 More options Sep 21 2012, 7:37 pm
From: RogerInHaw...@aol.com
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 19:37:04 -0400 (EDT)
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2012 7:37 pm
Subject: Wooden it work?

I just built a small shelf unit out of press-board. You know,  the kind of
wood that's made of wood chips or sawdust and they mix it up with  some kind
of adhesive and press it together to make "boards". While I was  cutting it
it produced a very fine sawdust that got everywhere, including in my  
lungs, and I was spitting up ugly phlegm all night long.

So it got me to thinking... How does wood grow? I know that  only the thin
layer of cells just under the bark is actually alive, and that  there is a
network of (not sure what to call them) "veins" throughout the tree  that
provides the water and nutrients that it gets from the ground and "pipes"  it
throughout the tree to the living layer. That living layer is made up of  
cells, right? And they grow by dividing, right?

So I'm wondering what would happen if you could somehow  extract a huge
number (hundreds of thousands) of those individual plant cells  and put them in
a "soup" of water and appropriate nutrients and have them grow  and split
and grow and split, creating more and more plant cells (like happens  with
the yeast in beer). And if you mixed in a bunch of sawdust and/or wood  chips,
might the growing plant cells "bind" to the sawdust and wood chips to  
create a more natural press-board, one that doesn't require artificial glues to  
hold it together, so that this new kind of press-board would be just as
strong  as naturally-grown wood.

Wood it work?


 
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Matthew Badeau  
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 More options Sep 21 2012, 10:01 pm
From: Matthew Badeau <matt...@hicapacity.org>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 16:01:56 -1000
Local: Fri, Sep 21 2012 10:01 pm
Subject: Re: [HI Cap] Wooden it work?

I'm not a scientist but I think the closest you'll be able to get would be
a "soup" even if you loaded the liquid with all of the nutrients the cells
needed. I don't think it would grow like natural wood fibers and will
reduce strength. I imagine you would just be making natural sawdust. We
need a tree expert to chime in. Do we have one of  those?
On Sep 21, 2012 1:37 PM, <RogerInHaw...@aol.com> wrote:


 
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Binary Buddha  
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 More options Sep 22 2012, 12:50 am
From: Binary Buddha <the.binary.bud...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2012 18:50:19 -1000
Local: Sat, Sep 22 2012 12:50 am
Subject: Re: [HI Cap] Wooden it work?

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I think what you are forgetting is the difference between alive and dead
cells. Wood we use to build things with are made of dead tree cells. You
have to manipulate the live cells to do that. Might want to look up tree
splicing.

in short, you take to trees of the same species like tangerines and
grapefruit. Cut the tree trunks in a V-shape near the base of tree.
switch the top parts off tangerine base with grapefruit top and grape
fruit base with tangerine top. Sit them in the V-cut and tie the v
section tightly. Frequently water and fertilize the trees to aid in
healing and regrowth. If the tree survives, the fruit will be a tangelo.
You can also do this with red and white roses to make unnatural pink roses.

This is possible because in that brief period where then the tree was
cut the "wound" of the tree still had live cells to reproduce. the extra
water and fertilizer is to help the tree cope with the "shock" of being
cut in half.

But trees are very complex plants to deal with. Things like moss are
easier...

http://www.environmentalgraffiti.com/featured/moss-grass-graffiti/2147

On 09/21/2012 04:01 PM, Matthew Badeau wrote:

> I'm not a scientist but I think the closest you'll be able to get

would be a "soup" even if you loaded the liquid with all of the
nutrients the cells needed. I don't think it would grow like natural
wood fibers and will reduce strength. I imagine you would just be making
natural sawdust. We need a tree expert to chime in. Do we have one of those?

> On Sep 21, 2012 1:37 PM, <RogerInHaw...@aol.com
<mailto:RogerInHaw...@aol.com>> wrote:

> I just built a small shelf unit out of press-board. You know, the kind

of wood that's made of wood chips or sawdust and they mix it up with
some kind of adhesive and press it together to make "boards". While I
was cutting it it produced a very fine sawdust that got everywhere,
including in my lungs, and I was spitting up ugly phlegm all night long.

> So it got me to thinking... How does wood grow? I know that only the

thin layer of cells just under the bark is actually alive, and that
there is a network of (not sure what to call them) "veins" throughout
the tree that provides the water and nutrients that it gets from the
ground and "pipes" it throughout the tree to the living layer. That
living layer is made up of cells, right? And they grow by dividing, right?

> So I'm wondering what would happen if you could somehow extract a huge

number (hundreds of thousands) of those individual plant cells and put
them in a "soup" of water and appropriate nutrients and have them grow
and split and grow and split, creating more and more plant cells (like
happens with the yeast in beer). And if you mixed in a bunch of sawdust
and/or wood chips, might the growing plant cells "bind" to the sawdust
and wood chips to create a more natural press-board, one that doesn't
require artificial glues to hold it together, so that this new kind of
press-board would be just as strong as naturally-grown wood.

> Wood it work?
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CrLz  
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 More options Oct 4 2012, 5:18 pm
From: CrLz <crlz.em...@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 14:17:59 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Thurs, Oct 4 2012 5:17 pm
Subject: Re: Wooden it work?

Masonite <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masonite> does not use adhesives to
bond, just a heated extrusion process. Wood chips are initially dissolved
into fibers for Masonite- so growing a slurry of ~wood fibers would be a
nice replacement!  I suspect the devil is in the details, however.  The
proper lignin percentage and long enough fiber strands would probably be
important to control.  Wonder if there are ~woody algaes that could be
tank-grown?

Sounds like an interesting PhD.


 
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