Re: China To Accept Guantanomo Torture Cases (Re: Yahoo! sued over torture of Chinese dissident
ltl...@hotmail.com
> On Apr 19, 12:22 pm, King Amdo <King_A...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> >http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/techn...
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> > "A Chinese political prisoner sued Yahoo! in a US federal court,
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> Many bloggers have cited the case history. Yahoo responded to official
> inquery about the group and email account found on Wang's computer;
> Yahoo didn't reveal the account information.
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> And I hope WOHRUSA will let us know when they plan to sue Blackwater
> on behalf of the Abu Garhaib and Guantanamo torture victims.
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> While Yahoo had no choice regarding China's law of the land,
> Blackwater gladly took money and actually tortured people.
I am surprised many fail to see the obvious.
America has lost control over its army. It has also lost control over
private companies. American governemnt can bash all other countries
over their human rights violation.
But not many in America care about hundreds of Iraqis. Those deaths
are directly and indirectly the results of the U.S. military. The
media showed
the pictures of the 33 victims of VT. They should. How about the
pictures of
those Iraqis?
It is sad. But too many Amerians don't seem to realize that their
collective will is
responsible for all the violent deaths in Iraq. When will the so
called "free" media
start showing the pictures of the hundred of thousands of pcitures to
wake
America up? When will America moun those deaths and regain its own
humanity?
> > accusing the internet company of helping the Chinese government
> > torture him by providing information that led to his arrest."
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> > ...oh by the way he's not a political prisoner, hes a common
> > criminal...ok ok, but that (criminal) is what political prisoners get
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rst0...@yahoo.com
> On Apr 23, 3:05 am, CL <charles_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 19, 12:22 pm, King Amdo <King_A...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > >http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/techn...
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> > > Quote:
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> > > "A Chinese political prisoner sued Yahoo! in a US federal court,
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> > Many bloggers have cited the case history. Yahoo responded to official
> > inquery about the group and email account found on Wang's computer;
> > Yahoo didn't reveal the account information.
>
> > And I hope WOHRUSA will let us know when they plan to sue Blackwater
> > on behalf of the Abu Garhaib and Guantanamo torture victims.
>
> > While Yahoo had no choice regarding China's law of the land,
> > Blackwater gladly took money and actually tortured people.
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> I am surprised many fail to see the obvious.
> America has lost control over its army.
America has not lost control of its army. You mean America can not
control the violence in Iraq, especially within Bagdad itself. When
the natives' value conflicted with America's desire to extent their
value into the Middle East. Of course, the desired process can not be
met.
> It has also lost control over
> private companies.
It's also not true. The private companies continue to be private
companies. Some winners, others are losers. Some are greedy while
others have strict guidelines.
> American governemnt can bash all other countries
> over their human rights violation.
While America secretly and openly violate the human rights issues
throughout its long, long history without brinking an eye, never even
giving it a second thought. And hold itself up as an example of
rightousness and accuse others of violating human rights. That is
America, the holier than thou attitude.
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> But not many in America care about hundreds of Iraqis. Those deaths
> are directly and indirectly the results of the U.S. military. The
> media showed
> the pictures of the 33 victims of VT. They should. How about the
> pictures of
> those Iraqis?
>
> It is sad. But too many Amerians don't seem to realize that their
> collective will is
> responsible for all the violent deaths in Iraq. When will the so
> called "free" media
> start showing the pictures of the hundred of thousands of pcitures to
> wake
> America up? When will America moun those deaths and regain its own
> humanity?
War is nature's way to control overpopulation.
M. Ranjit Mathews
> On Apr 23, 9:34 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 23, 3:05 am, CL <charles_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
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> > > On Apr 19, 12:22 pm, King Amdo <King_A...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > >http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/techn...
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> > > > Quote:
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> > > > "A Chinese political prisoner sued Yahoo! in a US federal court,
>
> > > Many bloggers have cited the case history. Yahoo responded to official
> > > inquery about the group and email account found on Wang's computer;
> > > Yahoo didn't reveal the account information.
>
> > > And I hope WOHRUSA will let us know when they plan to sue Blackwater
> > > on behalf of the Abu Garhaib and Guantanamo torture victims.
>
> > > While Yahoo had no choice regarding China's law of the land,
> > > Blackwater gladly took money and actually tortured people.
>
> > I am surprised many fail to see the obvious.
> > America has lost control over its army.
>
> America has not lost control of its army. You mean America can not
> control the violence in Iraq, especially within Bagdad itself.
It could substantially contain the violence if it were willing to
increase the death toll of US troops.
ltl...@hotmail.com
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> On Apr 23, 12:19 pm, "rst0w...@yahoo.com" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 23, 9:34 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Apr 23, 3:05 am, CL <charles_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Apr 19, 12:22 pm, King Amdo <King_A...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/techn...
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> > > > > Quote:
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> > > > > "A Chinese political prisoner sued Yahoo! in a US federal court,
>
> > > > Many bloggers have cited the case history. Yahoo responded to official
> > > > inquery about the group and email account found on Wang's computer;
> > > > Yahoo didn't reveal the account information.
>
> > > > And I hope WOHRUSA will let us know when they plan to sue Blackwater
> > > > on behalf of the Abu Garhaib and Guantanamo torture victims.
>
> > > > While Yahoo had no choice regarding China's law of the land,
> > > > Blackwater gladly took money and actually tortured people.
>
> > > I am surprised many fail to see the obvious.
> > > America has lost control over its army.
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> > America has not lost control of its army. You mean America can not
> > control the violence in Iraq, especially within Bagdad itself.
>
> It could substantially contain the violence if it were willing to
> increase the death toll of US troops.
Exactly.
In addition, when was the American public thought the
American military was doing the right thing and accomplishing
desired objectivess in Iraq?
The military is the most important and the most potent tool
of a nation. In this case, America had deployed over
130,000 soldiers, 8 million tons of weapons and war supplies
at the coat of about 2 billion dollars a day.for several years.
The military killed and bekilled. Yes the kill ratio is favorable.
What other goals had been achieved?
Is America a military dictatorsip or is it a democratic nation?
If the latter, how come the military is not under control? Why
is the military not doing what the people want?
accomplished?
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rst0...@yahoo.com
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> On Apr 23, 12:19 pm, "rst0w...@yahoo.com" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Apr 23, 9:34 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > On Apr 23, 3:05 am, CL <charles_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Apr 19, 12:22 pm, King Amdo <King_A...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > >http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/techn...
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> > > > > Quote:
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> > > > > "A Chinese political prisoner sued Yahoo! in a US federal court,
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> > > > Many bloggers have cited the case history. Yahoo responded to official
> > > > inquery about the group and email account found on Wang's computer;
> > > > Yahoo didn't reveal the account information.
>
> > > > And I hope WOHRUSA will let us know when they plan to sue Blackwater
> > > > on behalf of the Abu Garhaib and Guantanamo torture victims.
>
> > > > While Yahoo had no choice regarding China's law of the land,
> > > > Blackwater gladly took money and actually tortured people.
>
> > > I am surprised many fail to see the obvious.
> > > America has lost control over its army.
>
> > America has not lost control of its army. You mean America can not
> > control the violence in Iraq, especially within Bagdad itself.
>
> It could substantially contain the violence if it were willing to
> increase the death toll of US troops.
Increased American death toll also meant increased Iraqi death toll.
Each innocent Iraqi death created another family or families of
enemies against us. The increased violence will carry itself to more
deaths. Isn't 5 years long enough for a small nation like Iraq to
suffer these carnages? Who can say that our way of life is better
than their way of life? Isn't this what the Iraqi war is all about?
to make Iraq a democracy and they are fighting it?
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ranjit_...@yahoo.com
> On Apr 23, 1:03 pm, "M. Ranjit Mathews" <ranjit_math...@yahoo.com>
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> > On Apr 23, 12:19 pm, "rst0w...@yahoo.com" <rst0w...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > > On Apr 23, 9:34 am, "ltl...@hotmail.com" <ltl...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > On Apr 23, 3:05 am, CL <charles_...@my-deja.com> wrote:
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> > > > > On Apr 19, 12:22 pm, King Amdo <King_A...@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > > > > >http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/techn...
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> > > > > > Quote:
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> > > > > > "A Chinese political prisoner sued Yahoo! in a US federal court,
>
> > > > > Many bloggers have cited the case history. Yahoo responded to official
> > > > > inquery about the group and email account found on Wang's computer;
> > > > > Yahoo didn't reveal the account information.
>
> > > > > And I hope WOHRUSA will let us know when they plan to sue Blackwater
> > > > > on behalf of the Abu Garhaib and Guantanamo torture victims.
>
> > > > > While Yahoo had no choice regarding China's law of the land,
> > > > > Blackwater gladly took money and actually tortured people.
>
> > > > I am surprised many fail to see the obvious.
> > > > America has lost control over its army.
>
> > > America has not lost control of its army. You mean America can not
> > > control the violence in Iraq, especially within Bagdad itself.
>
> > It could substantially contain the violence if it were willing to
> > increase thedeathtoll of US troops.
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> Increased Americandeathtoll also meant increased Iraqideathtoll.
Containinment of violence would yield a decreased Iraqi death toll.
> Each innocent Iraqideathcreated another family or families of
> enemies against us. The increased violence will carry itself to more
> deaths. Isn't 5 years long enough for a small nation like Iraq to
> suffer these carnages? Who can say that our way of life is better
> than their way of life? Isn't this what the Iraqi war is all about?
> to make Iraq a democracy and they are fighting it?
Iraqis were about to invade US schoos, malls and churches; US troops
were sent there just in time to prevent this:->
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2007/01/dean_baker_is_s.html
Iraq occupation - 9-11-2001. Jihad screamers brought thier jihad to
America. We're contaning it to Iraq for now. If our troops come home
too soon, our buildings schools, malls and churches will fall with you
and yours inside. Killing non-islamic infidels is what jihad is all
about.
rst0...@yahoo.com
How? Haven't our army been doing these all along? to contain violence
in Iraq?
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> > Each innocent Iraqideathcreated another family or families of
> > enemies against us. The increased violence will carry itself to more
> > deaths. Isn't 5 years long enough for a small nation like Iraq to
> > suffer these carnages? Who can say that our way of life is better
> > than their way of life? Isn't this what the Iraqi war is all about?
> > to make Iraq a democracy and they are fighting it?
>
> Iraqis were about to invade US schoos, malls and churches; US troops
> were sent there just in time to prevent this:
Aren't you overstating these way over and beyond what the Iraqis can
do in United States? Where, how and when did or could the Iraqis
invade our schools, malls, and churches? We invaded Iraq to get their
oil and set Iraq up as an example of American democracy for the Middle
East nations to see and follow. Too bad it exploded in front of our
faces.
>->http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2007/01/dean_baker_is_s.html
> Iraq occupation - 9-11-2001. Jihad screamers brought thier jihad to
> America.
There were people trying to warn the government of what was going on,
but the government didn't listen or care. The flight schools and some
FBI individuals did try to get those people before they carried out
their plot. They were ignored.
> We're contaning it to Iraq for now.
No, Iraq exploded in front of our faces, and we are still searching
for an answer to overcome what is happppening in Iraq.
> If our troops come home
> too soon, our buildings schools, malls and churches will fall with you
> and yours inside.
You are way overstating the case of their capabilities.
> Killing non-islamic infidels is what jihad is all
> about.
They are doing what they had to do because of our meddling in their
affairs. Let them be, and there won't be any problems.
ranjit_...@yahoo.com
> On Apr 24, 5:46 am, ranjit_math...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Containinment of violence would yield a decreased Iraqi death toll.
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> How? Haven't our army been doing these all along? to contain violence
> in Iraq?
It's not primary mission of US forces; their mission is to keep the
Maliki government in power. They don't go all out to contain violence
against ordinary citizens; they'd have to commit themselves to a high
body bag count in order to do that.
> > > Each innocent Iraqideathcreated another family or families of
> > > enemies against us. The increased violence will carry itself to more
> > > deaths. Isn't 5 years long enough for a small nation like Iraq to
> > > suffer these carnages? Who can say that our way of life is better
> > > than their way of life? Isn't this what the Iraqi war is all about?
> > > to make Iraq a democracy and they are fighting it?
>
> > Iraqis were about to invade US schoos, malls and churches; US troops
> > were sent there just in time to prevent this:->
> >->http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2007/01/dean_baker_is_s.html
>
> Aren't you overstating these way over and beyond what the Iraqis can
> do in United States?
That wasn't my statement. That was someone else's statement that I
paraphrased with a sarcasm smiley (:->).
> We invaded Iraq to get their oil
We already had access to their oil, by paying for it. An oil industry
leader was trying to stop privatization. Naturally, the oil industry
wouldn't want a massive production increase causing collapsing prices.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/4354269.stm
... a secret plan, drafted just before the invasion in 2003, which
called for the sell-off of all of Iraq's oil fields. The new plan was
crafted by neo-conservatives intent on using Iraq's oil to destroy the
Opec cartel through massive increases in production above Opec quotas.
Philip Carroll, the former CEO of Shell Oil USA who took control of
Iraq's oil production for the US Government a month after the
invasion, stalled the sell-off scheme.
> They are doing what they had to do because of our meddling in their
> affairs.
Mr Aljibury, once Ronald Reagan's "back-channel" to Saddam, claims
that plans to sell off Iraq's oil, pushed by the US-installed
Governing Council in 2003, helped instigate the insurgency and attacks
on US and British occupying forces.