Re: Earthquake in China - 20000 casualties?
Albert K. Fung
> "The official death toll reported by state-run media stands at
> just over 12,000, but an unofficial tally of individual
> communities provided by the news services added up to 19,565."
> http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/05/14/china.quake/index.htm...
>
> peace
> ------------
Wakalukong:
> Maybe 19,566? I don't know why at this time CNN wants to pretend its
> source is so accurate and imply that the Chinese media is under-
> reporting.
Many towns and villages ....
Were wiped out of existence by the powerful earthquake. Many
are inaccessible under the best of conditions. It is utterly
inconceivable that their homes and public structures were of
strong materials and built to withstand earthquakes. And, to
add salt to injury, the Chinese government is going it alone
and refused assistance from the international community.
Pride kills ....
Regards,
Albert K. Fung
Casa Tres Palmas, Santa Ynez, California, USA.
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Jim Walsh
(in article <g0ei7d$v32$1...@adenine.netfront.net>):
> And, to add salt to injury, the Chinese government is going it alone and
> refused assistance from the international community.
I don't think that is true.
Any event, the news of the earthquake and the relief effort is reportedly
going out uncensored on both the Chinese and non-Chinese media.
Taiwanese relief workers are waiting for permission to go; but the financial
assistance is already on its way, with more to come.
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Albert K. Fung
> refused assistance from the international community.
Jim Walsh:
> I don't think that is true.
>
> Any event, the news of the earthquake and the relief effort is reportedly
> going out uncensored on both the Chinese and non-Chinese media.
>
> Taiwanese relief workers are waiting for permission to go; but the financial
> assistance is already on its way, with more to come.
"Conditions are not yet ripe, .... "
Declared head of China's Ministry of Civil Affairs' Disaster
-relief Department, Mr. Wang Zhenyao "to allow international
organizations to enter disaster areas." The PLA, is sending
soldiers, on foot, to remote and hard to reach areas. That's
painfully slow, and time is of essence. The US military, had
demonstrated its superior logistic capabilities of reliefing
victims in the rugged terrains of Pakistan mountainous north
in their last quake. The gentleman assured the international
press, nevertheless, that his government will accept aid "in
a timely way." Those trapped alive, respectfully disagreed.
To them, "timely" means quite differently ....
Jim Walsh
(in article <g0esu5$1al8$1...@adenine.netfront.net>):
Sadly, it seems you are right. Not quite as bad as Burma, but nearly so.
Albert K. Fung
>
> Declared head of China's Ministry of Civil Affairs' Disaster
> -relief Department, Mr. Wang Zhenyao "to allow international
> organizations to enter disaster areas." The PLA, is sending
> soldiers, on foot, to remote and hard to reach areas. That's
> painfully slow, and time is of essence. The US military, had
> demonstrated its superior logistic capabilities of reliefing
> victims in the rugged terrains of Pakistan mountainous north
> in their last quake. The gentleman assured the international
> press, nevertheless, that his government will accept aid "in
> a timely way." Those trapped alive, respectfully disagreed.
>
> To them, "timely" means quite differently ....
Jim Walsh:
> Sadly, it seems you are right. Not quite as bad as Burma, but nearly so.
"The first 72 hours .... "
Said the leader of the Japanese Rescue Association, "is most
critical. After that the chance of survival of people buried
under debris rapidly diminishes." Upon hearing about China's
quake his organization immediately offered their experienced
rescue dogs, trained to find survivors in the rubble.
His team of dogs waited frustratingly in the Tokyo airport.
UK's 10 member, specialized search-and-rescue team, visas in
hands, were stuck in Hong Kong, awaiting permission to enter
China. The NGO team from UK, has modern equipments to locate
survivors: acoustic locators, CO2 detectors, thermal imaging
cameras and video probes.
The US Pacific Fleet, offered the service of their squadrons
of Black Hawks and heavy duty Chinook helicopters. US Navy's
hospital ships Mercy and Hope, which played a critical role
in caring for the sick and wounded during the Asian tsunami,
were ordered to attention, and be prepare to set sail to the
S. China Sea.
"Authorities are still discussing overseas offers." said Mr.
Wang Zhenyao, head of China's Disaster Relief Division. "Now
even our military troops are not able to get there,"
Meanwhile, near the epicenter, the man who had been dangling
upside down in a crevice, expired. His left leg pinned under
a giant boulder amid the toppled buildings. Rubbles, stones,
and dust covered this town since Monday. His wife wept, hold
-ing the hand of their dead child.
Who was pinned under car-size concrete debris ....
Regards,
Albert K. Fung
Casa Tres Palmas, Santa Ynez, California, USA.
vivo...@gmail.com
no, our government did not refuse any assistance from the
international community. think about it, the roads to the epicenter
are cut off by earthquake, even the plane/helicopter can't land on
those sites, how can the international relief team enter those place!
i think our government did will in this disaster so far, though a
lot of people died-that may unavoidable. form the media, both home and
abroad, the relief action prompt and open, much better that before and
better than the foreign countries.
as far as i know, the relief team from Japan and Taiwan now arrive
in china...
Jim Walsh
(in article <g0hi1s$trp$1...@adenine.netfront.net>):
>
> Said the leader of the Japanese Rescue Association, "is most critical. After
> that the chance of survival of people buried under debris rapidly
> diminishes." Upon hearing about China's quake his organization immediately
> offered their experienced rescue dogs, trained to find survivors in the
> rubble.
>
> His team of dogs waited frustratingly in the Tokyo airport.
Awful
I read today that the CCP is now letting in foreign disaster experts. The
delay cost lives.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<eb1f4e3e-6f21-4a4e...@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
>
> no, our government did not refuse any assistance from the international
> community. think about it, the roads to the epicenter are cut off by
> earthquake, even the plane/helicopter can't land on those sites, how can the
> international relief team enter those place!
1. Yes. The CCP refused foreign assistance.
2. Helicopters can deliver aid and aid workers without landing.
3. Today we read that the CCP is accepting foreign disaster experts. The
delay undoubtedly caused deaths to occur that would have been saved.
Albert K. Fung
> no, our government did not refuse any assistance from the international
> community. think about it, the roads to the epicenter are cut off by
> earthquake, even the plane/helicopter can't land on those sites, how
can the
> international relief team enter those place!
Jim Walsh:
> 1. Yes. The CCP refused foreign assistance.
> 2. Helicopters can deliver aid and aid workers without landing.
> 3. Today we read that the CCP is accepting foreign disaster experts. The
> delay undoubtedly caused deaths to occur that would have been saved.
At this stage ....
The operating assumption is that the unaccounted for are now
dead. And the focus shifted from search-and-rescue to debris
removal, recovering and burying bodies. While it's still im-
portant to keep fast work pace, in order to prevent outbreak
of diseases.
Unfortunately, time is no longer of essence ....
BTW: The Japanese team leader bitterly complained that their
search-and-rescue dogs, are helpless in this of operat-
ion. They're most useful within the first 72 hours. And
do not have the trainings to recover corpses. They are
now preparing to return home.
Regards,
Albert K. Fung
Casa Tres Palmas, Santa Ynez, California, USA.
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Jim Walsh
(in article <g0k21u$el6$1...@adenine.netfront.net>):
> vivozhang:
>
>> no, our government did not refuse any assistance from the international
>> community. think about it, the roads to the epicenter are cut off by
>> earthquake, even the plane/helicopter can't land on those sites, how can the
>> international relief team enter those place!
>
> Jim Walsh:
>
>> 1. Yes. The CCP refused foreign assistance.
>> 2. Helicopters can deliver aid and aid workers without landing.
>> 3. Today we read that the CCP is accepting foreign disaster experts. The
>> delay undoubtedly caused deaths to occur that would have been saved.
>
> At this stage ....
>
> The operating assumption is that the unaccounted for are now
> dead. And the focus shifted from search-and-rescue to debris
> removal, recovering and burying bodies.....
> Unfortunately, time is no longer of essence ....
>
> BTW: The Japanese team leader bitterly complained that their
> search-and-rescue dogs, are helpless in this of operat-
> ion. They're most useful within the first 72 hours. And
> do not have the trainings to recover corpses. They are
> now preparing to return home.
The truth is bitter. To save face, the CCP allowed Chinese people to die,
buried alive.
PaPaPeng
<jimNOwa...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:36:05 +0800, Albert K. Fung wrote
>(in article <g0hi1s$trp$1...@adenine.netfront.net>):
>
>>
>> Said the leader of the Japanese Rescue Association, "is most critical. After
>> that the chance of survival of people buried under debris rapidly
>> diminishes." Upon hearing about China's quake his organization immediately
>> offered their experienced rescue dogs, trained to find survivors in the
>> rubble.
>>
>> His team of dogs waited frustratingly in the Tokyo airport.
>
>Awful
>
>I read today that the CCP is now letting in foreign disaster experts. The
>delay cost lives.
Jimbo you have been a self appointed expert on China for more than two
decades. Now is the chance to go to China and prove it. You don't
even have to bring in dogs.
rst0wxyz
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 20:10:04 +0800, Jim Walsh
>
>
>
>
>
> <jimNOwalsSPA...@gmNOail.com> wrote:
> >On Thu, 15 May 2008 22:36:05 +0800, Albert K. Fung wrote
>
> >> Said the leader of the Japanese Rescue Association, "is most critical. After
> >> that the chance of survival of people buried under debris rapidly
> >> diminishes." Upon hearing about China's quake his organization immediately
> >> offered their experienced rescue dogs, trained to find survivors in the
> >> rubble.
>
> >> His team of dogs waited frustratingly in the Tokyo airport.
>
> >Awful
>
> >I read today that the CCP is now letting in foreign disaster experts. The
> >delay cost lives.
>
> Jimbo you have been a self appointed expert on China for more than two
> decades. Now is the chance to go to China and prove it. You don't
> even have to bring in dogs.
China don't want him in with or without dogs.
He's a CIA agent bent on creating chaos and dissension for china.
rst0wxyz
> On Fri, 16 May 2008 13:54:16 +0800, vivozh...@gmail.com wrote
> (in article
> <eb1f4e3e-6f21-4a4e-a19b-597fe17f4...@q27g2000prf.googlegroups.com>):
>
>
>
> > no, our government did not refuse any assistance from the international
> > community. think about it, the roads to the epicenter are cut off by
> > earthquake, even the plane/helicopter can't land on those sites, how can the
> > international relief team enter those place!
>
> 1. Yes. The CCP refused foreign assistance.
> 2. Helicopters can deliver aid and aid workers without landing.
> 3. Today we read that the CCP is accepting foreign disaster experts. The
> delay undoubtedly caused deaths to occur that would have been saved.
For your pleasure, Jim Walsh, the Jim Lehrer News Hour yesterday
showed a young couple who returned to Beichuan looking for their
parents and their 4-year-old daughter. The young woman said:
"They said there are thousands of soldiers looking for survivals....
I only saw a few. Not enough."
Jim Walsh
(in article <bvkr2458hu6cmmrb3...@4ax.com>):
I live in China. I have for 20 years. When do you last LIVE in China?
Whether I go to Beijing depends on whether I can safely memorialize my
brothers and sisters there, or whether I care about being safe.
Jim Walsh
(in article
<5853ce37-a81f-46d6...@x19g2000prg.googlegroups.com>):
If your point is that the CCP should have immediately welcomed disaster
rescue teams from all over the world, I agree. Taiwan did and lives were