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Subject: Re: [Hive 76 Discussion] JAMECO sells Pentium I and II processors. Thoughts?
From: andrew sooy <andrew11...@gmail.com>
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For the sewing machine couldn't there be something made like the tape that
plugs in to an ipod to play mp3 on a tape player but to have it hook to a
new computer.
On Sep 28, 2012 6:31 PM, "Doctor" <xxobsolet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Yeah... That all makes sense. I guess it depends on who you are, what you
> have, and what you want and need to do.
>
> On Friday, September 28, 2012 6:03:15 PM UTC-4, Louis Gerbarg wrote:
>>
>> Consumer vs Industrial users have very different requirements. A lot
>> of embedded device are never upgraded. My father runs a manufacturing
>> plant that has "computer controlled" embroidery machines. They are
>> 8086 machines and take 3.5 inch disks that have their patterns on
>> them. The file format of the embroidery designs is directly derived
>> from the magnetic tape readers the original model of the machine had.
>> Yes, if one breaks down it might be a real pita to deal with it, but
>> the incremental cost of upgrading the machines for the last three
>> decades is much higher than that. When something goes wrong they
>> scavenge the boneyard of other machines for parts rotate things
>> around, then go looking for a spare parts to replace whatever they
>> used. If they actually lose the ability to use a machine due to
>> irreplaceable parts they will likely just move to newer more capable
>> machines (they have a few already).
>>
>> For a lot of users stuff working is much more important than anything
>> else, including upgradability. Spending weeks tinkering with a machine
>> to redesign interface boards created 30 years ago is simply not worth
>> the effort of finding some parts on eBay and moving on. Unlike us,
>> those users really don't want to tinker, time spent tinkering is just
>> lost money.
>>
>> Louis
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Doctor <xxobso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > True. I just think it might be a bad idea to stick with obsolete
>> technology
>> > for too long, because an upgrade may be impossible down the line.
>> >
>> >
>> > On Friday, September 28, 2012 10:29:02 AM UTC-4, Louis Gerbarg wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Legacy systems. If you have some old rack mount industrial system
>> >> running a custom piece of DOS (or OS/2 or Xenix) software to control
>> >> industrial hardware you don't want or need to upgrade. If something
>> >> breaks you want to replace it with an exact match instead of having to
>> >> migrate to new hardware including potentially risky ports of software
>> >> you might not even have the source to any more.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Doctor <xxobso...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > As I was browsing JAMECO'S catalog, and saw that they have Pentium I
>> and
>> >> > II
>> >> > processors for sale. Then I started to wonder... Why? Do some people
>> >> > still
>> >> > use Pentium processors in computers? Is there a way to use them in a
>> >> > similar
>> >> > fashion to having an Atmega on a board?
>> >> >
>> >> > It's just something odd that I was wondering if anyone else noticed.
>> I
>> >> > brought it up at the hive, but there were only 5 of us to discuss
>> it...
>> >> > Maybe someone else has an idea what to do with a Pentium. Any
>> thoughts?
>> >> >
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<p>For the sewing machine couldn't there be something made like the tap=
e that plugs in to an ipod to play mp3 on a tape player but to have it hook=
to a new computer.</p>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sep 28, 2012 6:31 PM, "Doctor" <=
<a href=3D"mailto:xxobsolet...@gmail.com">xxobsolet...@gmail.com</a>> wr=
ote:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"mar=
gin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Yeah... That all makes sense. I guess it depends on who you are, what you h=
ave, and what you want and need to do.<br><br>On Friday, September 28, 2012=
6:03:15 PM UTC-4, Louis Gerbarg wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1=
ex">
Consumer vs Industrial users have very different requirements. A lot
<br>of embedded device are never upgraded. My father runs a manufacturing
<br>plant that has "computer controlled" embroidery machines. The=
y are
<br>8086 machines and take 3.5 inch disks that have their patterns on
<br>them. The file format of the embroidery designs is directly derived
<br>from the magnetic tape readers the original model of the machine had.
<br>Yes, if one breaks down it might be a real pita to deal with it, but
<br>the incremental cost of upgrading the machines for the last three
<br>decades is much higher than that. When something goes wrong they
<br>scavenge the boneyard of other machines for parts rotate things
<br>around, then go looking for a spare parts to replace whatever they
<br>used. If they actually lose the ability to use a machine due to
<br>irreplaceable parts they will likely just move to newer more capable
<br>machines (they have a few already).
<br>
<br>For a lot of users stuff working is much more important than anything
<br>else, including upgradability. Spending weeks tinkering with a machine
<br>to redesign interface boards created 30 years ago is simply not worth
<br>the effort of finding some parts on eBay and moving on. Unlike us,
<br>those users really don't want to tinker, time spent tinkering is ju=
st
<br>lost money.
<br>
<br>Louis
<br>
<br>On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:40 AM, Doctor <<a>xxobso...@gmail.com</a>=
> wrote:
<br>> True. I just think it might be a bad idea to stick with obsolete t=
echnology
<br>> for too long, because an upgrade may be impossible down the line.
<br>>
<br>>
<br>> On Friday, September 28, 2012 10:29:02 AM UTC-4, Louis Gerbarg wro=
te:
<br>>>
<br>>> Legacy systems. If you have some old rack mount industrial sys=
tem
<br>>> running a custom piece of DOS (or OS/2 or Xenix) software to c=
ontrol
<br>>> industrial hardware you don't want or need to upgrade. If =
something
<br>>> breaks you want to replace it with an exact match instead of h=
aving to
<br>>> migrate to new hardware including potentially risky ports of s=
oftware
<br>>> you might not even have the source to any more.
<br>>>
<br>>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Doctor <<a>xxobso...@gmail=
.com</a>> wrote:
<br>>> > As I was browsing JAMECO'S catalog, and saw that they=
have Pentium I and
<br>>> > II
<br>>> > processors for sale. Then I started to wonder... Why? Do =
some people
<br>>> > still
<br>>> > use Pentium processors in computers? Is there a way to us=
e them in a
<br>>> > similar
<br>>> > fashion to having an Atmega on a board?
<br>>> >
<br>>> > It's just something odd that I was wondering if anyon=
e else noticed. I
<br>>> > brought it up at the hive, but there were only 5 of us to=
discuss it...
<br>>> > Maybe someone else has an idea what to do with a Pentium.=
Any thoughts?
<br>>> >
<br>>> > --
<br>>> > To post to this group, send email to <a>hive76-d...@googl=
egroups.com</a>
<br>>> > To unsubscribe send email to <a>hive76-discuss...@googleg=
roups.com</a>
<br>>> > For more awesome goto
<br>>> > <a href=3D"http://groups.google.com/group/hive76-discussi=
on?hl=3Den" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/hive76-discuss=
ion?hl=3Den</a>
<br>>
<br>> --
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</a>
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ve76-discussion?hl=3Den" target=3D"_blank">http://groups.google.com/group/h=
ive76-discussion?hl=3Den</a>
<br></blockquote>
<p></p>
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