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Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2012 15:33:02 -0700
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I'll tackle this awesome poll later, but Jerry and Mike have hit on one big
problem we have: we've inadvertently created Phoenix's best geek
hangout<http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/bestof/2012/award/best-geek-hangout-3159766/>.
(Congrats!) It's amazing... until you go home five days in a row feeling
jazzed but dissatisfied because you didn't actually get anything done. So
it's a constant challenge for everyone to inspire each other without
distracting from the amazing projects in front of us :)

I've said this privately to a few people, but HeatSync tends to occupy the
very top of Maslow's Hierarchy of
Needs<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs>for
members, called "self actualization." (It might be lower on the
pyramid
for those of us who need the tools to make things to pay rent, or who need
to feel like they belong somewhere.) Basically, the reason you're a member
likely isn't for feeding your belly, it's for feeding your mind or soul.
You come to HeatSync to feel accomplished, fulfilled, respected; sometimes
that takes the form of inspiration, but other times it's about making a
robot or web app or snazzy Halloween costume.
But hackerspaces occupy a pretty tenuous place in people's lives. Maslow's
Hierarchy means that if you can't eat, or can't afford a car, or have a
painful lack of friends/family/companionship, you might have trouble
justifying something like a hackerspace. Likewise if the hackerspace stops
fulfilling those higher needs like accomplishment, respect, and creativity,
you'll find other places that are more fulfilling.
The various formal and informal leaders here can't easily force you to do
something unfulfilling. Who gets off work, kicks off their shoes, and feels
motivated to organize a drawer full of drill bits? Nobody's paying you to
do it, it'd be insanely expensive to make it worth your time, so why do it?
Because hopefully it represents a contribution to something that fulfills
you. You take out the trash because you've grown to care for the building
and the things inside it. But if you don't care, because it's not worth it
to you, because it's not fulfilling you in ways you need to be fulfilled,
then you stop contributing and move on. So this whole house of cards is
resting on elusive things like accomplishment, respect, and creativity. :)

On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Jerry Davis <jdaw...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It is a combination of several things.
>
> 1) I have always been a geek. And it is a privilege to just BE with other
> geeks in the space.
> 2) There are tools there, that I couldn't possibly afford/put in my home
> that I am free to use.
> 3) I love learning, and just hanging out.
> 4) I am interested in what everyone else is doing. My wife is a maker
> although she doesn't want to admit it :), but she's been crocheting for
> almost 50 years.
>
> But I would have to say it is the friends I have made here ... I feel like
> I belong.
>
> jerry
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Mike Bushroe <mbush...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I concur. I was just down there Tuesday. I got very little accomplished,
>> but felt quite jazzed by spending time with people who think like I do, who
>> value ideas and engineering problem solving, and learning, and doing, and
>> learning to do new things. In short, it is fun to finally hang around with
>> a concentrated group of people with the same mental 'bend' as I do.
>>
>> Tools certainly add to the fun. Making together is even more fun. Having
>> access to tools I don't have at home (not as big a deal for me as many
>> since I have a few myself) is great. But it is the joy of hanging out with
>> others who 'get me' and the synergistic effect of discussing problems and
>> ideas with people who have different approaches, but like to solve similar
>> problems is what really draws me. And virtual presence doesn't do that fo
>> me. I want full presence, full bandwidth, hands on. And also to directly
>> help others, not just write down instructions.
>>
>>   I hope that helps.
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>> On Friday, October 12, 2012 1:08:35 PM UTC-7, Chad Stearns wrote:
>>>
>>> So, now that I am out of calculus class and I can elaborate.
>>>
>>> I think, if heatsync is a good thing, then it is because its associated
>>> with the individuals in the space. It is not good because of its
>>> association with technology, but certain technology empowers the
>>> individuals in the space and these technologies are inherent in the
>>> individuals in the community..
>>>
>>> -ChadCS
>>>
>>> On Friday, October 12, 2012 12:48:30 PM UTC-7, Chad Stearns wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thats funny, Absolute0tricks and I were talking about what it means to
>>>> make the other day. He probably has some insights into this question as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> My description of "making" is that something is "made" than it has *come into
>>>> existence, as a consequence of conscious intent and direct intervention.
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> *
>>>> "Hacking", I feel is intimately associated with technology. Technology
>>>> is a set of physical tools and techniques used to manipulate in some
>>>> efficient way. A computer mouse is technology because is manipulated a
>>>> computer in an efficient way, and a laser in a mouse is technology because
>>>> it detects the 2 dimension motion of the mouse in an efficient way.
>>>>
>>>> So, "hacking" I think describes the *development and control of
>>>> technology, in a personal way. *So, if I develop a social hack (saying
>>>> hi to people), its hacking because its personal and self developed, if a
>>>> huge company decides they are going to say hi to people, its no longer
>>>> hacking. And likewise, if I watch TV, I am using technology, but I am not
>>>> developing or controlling it, so it is not hacking.
>>>>
>>>> -ChadCS
>>>>
>>>> On Friday, October 12, 2012 12:24:58 PM UTC-7, Ben Humpherys wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Out of curiousity, I would like to hear everybodies own explanations
>>>>> and definitions of a couple things about what makes us great and why. So,
>>>>> answer each of the questions below, in your own words.  If one way of
>>>>> explaining it resonates to a lot of people, I think that is important. If
>>>>> someone words something you think is really really great, quote them
>>>>> directly. So:
>>>>>
>>>>> *What does it mean to "Make"? What is the definition of "Making"?*
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> *What does it mean to "Hack" something? What is the definition of
>>>>> "Hacking"?*
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> *What things about being involved with HeatSync do you enjoy the most?
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> *What are the most important values we share at HeatSync?*
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> *Why should other people care about what we are doing?*
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> *What does it mean to be a "do-ocracy"? What do you think of that
>>>>> model of operation?*
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> *Who are the leaders of HeatSync labs? What gives them authority?*
>>>>> *
>>>>> *
>>>>> *What traits in fellow members do you respect the most? Which are
>>>>> most important?*
>>>>>
>>>>  --
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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I&#39;ll tackle this awesome poll later, but Jerry and Mike have hit on one=
 big problem we have: we&#39;ve inadvertently created <a href=3D"http://www=
.phoenixnewtimes.com/bestof/2012/award/best-geek-hangout-3159766/">Phoenix&=
#39;s best geek hangout</a>. (Congrats!) It&#39;s amazing... until you go h=
ome five days in a row feeling jazzed but dissatisfied because you didn&#39=
;t actually get anything done. So it&#39;s a constant challenge for everyon=
e to inspire each other without distracting from the amazing projects in fr=
ont of us :)<div>

<br></div><div>I&#39;ve said this privately to a few people, but HeatSync t=
ends to occupy the very top of <a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masl=
ow&#39;s_hierarchy_of_needs">Maslow&#39;s Hierarchy of Needs</a> for member=
s, called &quot;self actualization.&quot; (It might be lower on the pyramid=
 for those of us who need the tools to make things to pay rent, or who need=
 to feel like they belong somewhere.) Basically, the reason you&#39;re a me=
mber likely isn&#39;t for feeding your belly, it&#39;s for feeding your min=
d or soul. You come to HeatSync to feel accomplished, fulfilled, respected;=
 sometimes that takes the form of inspiration, but other times it&#39;s abo=
ut making a robot or web app or snazzy Halloween costume.</div>

<div>But hackerspaces occupy a pretty tenuous place in people&#39;s lives. =
Maslow&#39;s Hierarchy means that if you can&#39;t eat, or can&#39;t afford=
 a car, or have a painful lack of friends/family/companionship, you might h=
ave trouble justifying something like a hackerspace. Likewise if the hacker=
space stops fulfilling those higher needs like accomplishment, respect, and=
 creativity, you&#39;ll find other places that are more fulfilling.</div>

<div>The various formal and informal leaders here can&#39;t easily force yo=
u to do something unfulfilling. Who gets off work, kicks off their shoes, a=
nd feels motivated to organize a drawer full of drill bits? Nobody&#39;s pa=
ying you to do it, it&#39;d be insanely expensive to make it worth your tim=
e, so why do it? Because hopefully it represents a contribution to somethin=
g that fulfills you. You take out the trash because you&#39;ve grown to car=
e for the building and the things inside it. But if you don&#39;t care, bec=
ause it&#39;s not worth it to you, because it&#39;s not fulfilling you in w=
ays you need to be fulfilled, then you stop contributing and move on. So th=
is whole house of cards is resting on elusive things like=A0accomplishment,=
 respect, and creativity. :)<br>

<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Jerry Davis=
 <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jdaw...@gmail.com" target=3D"_blan=
k">jdaw...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_qu=
ote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex=
">

It is a combination of several things.<div><br></div><div>1) I have always =
been a geek. And it is a privilege to just BE with other geeks in the space=
.</div><div>2) There are tools there, that I couldn&#39;t possibly afford/p=
ut in my home that I am free to use.</div>


<div>3) I love learning, and just hanging out.</div><div>4) I am interested=
 in what everyone else is doing. My wife is a maker although she doesn&#39;=
t want to admit it :), but she&#39;s been crocheting for almost 50 years.</=
div>


<div><br></div><div>But I would have to say it is the friends I have made h=
ere ... I feel like I belong.</div><div><br></div><div>jerry<div><div class=
=3D"h5"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 1:42 PM,=
 Mike Bushroe <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mbush...@gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">mbush...@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I concur. I was just down there Tuesday. I g=
ot very little accomplished, but felt quite jazzed by spending time with pe=
ople who think like I do, who value ideas and engineering problem solving, =
and learning, and doing, and learning to do new things. In short, it is fun=
 to finally hang around with a concentrated group of people with the same m=
ental &#39;bend&#39; as I do. <br>


<br>Tools certainly add to the fun. Making together is even more fun. Havin=
g access to tools I don&#39;t have at home (not as big a deal for me as man=
y since I have a few myself) is great. But it is the joy of hanging out wit=
h others who &#39;get me&#39; and the synergistic effect of discussing prob=
lems and ideas with people who have different approaches, but like to solve=
 similar problems is what really draws me. And virtual presence doesn&#39;t=
 do that fo me. I want full presence, full bandwidth, hands on. And also to=
 directly help others, not just write down instructions.<br>


<br>=A0 I hope that helps.<span><font color=3D"#888888"><br><br>Mike</font>=
</span><div><div><br><br>On Friday, October 12, 2012 1:08:35 PM UTC-7, Chad=
 Stearns wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0;margin-l=
eft:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">


So, now that I am out of calculus class and I can elaborate.<div><br></div>=
<div>I think, if heatsync is a good thing, then it is because its associate=
d with the individuals in the space. It is not good because of its associat=
ion with technology, but certain technology empowers the individuals in the=
 space and these technologies are inherent in the individuals in the commun=
ity..</div>


<div><br></div><div>-ChadCS<br><br>On Friday, October 12, 2012 12:48:30 PM =
UTC-7, Chad Stearns wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thats fun=
ny, Absolute0tricks and I were talking about what it means to make the othe=
r day. He probably has some insights into this question as well.<div>


<br></div><div>My description of &quot;making&quot; is that something is &q=
uot;made&quot; than it has <i><b>come=A0into existence, as a consequence of=
=A0conscious=A0intent and direct intervention.</b></i></div><div><i><b><br>=
</b></i></div>


<div>&quot;Hacking&quot;, I feel is intimately associated with technology. =
Technology is a set of physical tools and techniques used to manipulate in =
some efficient way. A computer mouse is technology because is manipulated a=
 computer in an efficient way, and a laser in a mouse is technology because=
 it detects the 2 dimension motion of the mouse in an efficient way.=A0</di=
v>


<div><br></div><div>So, &quot;hacking&quot; I think describes the <b><i>dev=
elopment and control of technology, in a personal way. </i></b>So, if I dev=
elop a social hack (saying hi to people), its hacking because its personal =
and self developed, if a huge company decides they are going to say hi to p=
eople, its no longer hacking. And likewise, if I watch TV, I am using techn=
ology, but I am not developing or controlling it, so it is not hacking.</di=
v>


<div><br></div><div>-ChadCS</div><div><br>On Friday, October 12, 2012 12:24=
:58 PM UTC-7, Ben Humpherys wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
>

Out of curiousity, I would like to hear everybodies own explanations and de=
finitions of a couple things about what makes us great and why. So, answer =
each of the questions below, in your own words. =A0If one way of explaining=
 it resonates to a lot of people, I think that is important.=A0If someone w=
ords something you think is really really great, quote them directly.=A0So:=
<div>


<br></div><div><b>What does it mean to &quot;Make&quot;? What is the defini=
tion of &quot;Making&quot;?</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>What doe=
s it mean to &quot;Hack&quot; something? What is the definition of &quot;Ha=
cking&quot;?</b></div>


<div><b><br></b></div><div><b>What things about being involved with HeatSyn=
c do you enjoy the most?</b></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>What are th=
e most important values we share at HeatSync?</b></div><div><b><br></b></di=
v>


<div><b>Why should other people care about what we are doing?</b></div><div=
><b><br></b></div><div><b>What does it mean to be a &quot;do-ocracy&quot;? =
What do you think of that model of operation?</b></div><div><b><br></b></di=
v>


<div><b>Who are the leaders of HeatSync labs? What gives them authority?</b=
></div><div><b><br></b></div><div><b>What traits in fellow members do you r=
espect the most? Which are most important?</b></div></blockquote></div>


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