On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Ben Humpherys <moogli...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The role of the Board of HeatSync Labs has three parts:
> 1. To Guide the Community in the fulfillment of our mission and goals.
> 2. To Represent the Will of the Community where an official
> representation is necessary to interface with other organizations and to
> fulfil the Law of the land.
> 3. To Empower the Individuals that make up the Community of HeatSync
> Labs to take Action towards the ends of fulfilling our goals and mission.
> --
I would like to add:
4. Be the outward face to the public
5. Champion the space to the public.
6. Continually get new sponsorship and/or donations to our cause.
7. Come up with a vision of what Heatsync should be/or where it should be
at 1, 2, 5, or 10 years out.
I am not very eloquent of speech, but I would also think the board should
be doing that.
I would like to add "as the resident grandpa" of the organization, that
what is put out on the public forum needs to be free of profanity, and free
of rancor and mudslinging. But that may be because, I know personally that
the internet is like vegas. I know that I have posts out on the internet
that can be traced to me from the 1990's. What goes out on the internet
truly stays on the internet.
-- Licensed Amateur Radio Operator: K7AZJ
Registered Linux User: 275424
Arduino programmer
As I have said, I am not interested in being a 'Spiritual Leader' but I can
inspire and facilitate. I can teach my skills, I can help with projects for
the space, and I can make things easier and more fun. I am not trying to
make a name for myself at community, and I really don't thing the
membership needs someone to worship. I certainly do not.
As for scoring political points, I am only responding to what you wrote
that I believe was pointed directly at me. I really don't like that this
has degraded into negativity. This is being done the minute before the
election, so people can make up their own mind.
As for the microphone thing, you and I have been discussing this issue for
six months. *You kept arguing it was legal for the board to listen in
because they control the space, and that made me very uneasy*. At the
point I bought my own camera and found you could make out what people were
saying I exposed it to the community. People now know you may be listening
in, using cameras or other methods. That was the point. I gave you a chance
to do the right thing, you could have offered to address my concerns then.
Now it is exposed the potential hazard. When board elections started you
told us you weren't running. It wasn't until Austin started talking about
running that you entered the race. As I said in my message two days ago, I
will disable the microphones. From Jacobs earlier post I assume they are
yours, I assume I have permission now.
As for my part, I am going to stop responding to this thread. I have been
open and honest about what I intend to do as Champion, and if the HeatSync
membership doesn't agree they won't vote for me. I will be happy with
whomever wins, the new people are motivated and energized. And like Nate P,
I will act as Champion for HeatSync regardless of the official title. The
only difference is I will be setting my own priorities rather than getting
them from the membership. So we all end up winning in the end.
Again everyone, sorry for the negativity.
On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Will Bradley <bradley.w...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Brian, I just bought up wood shop as something visible whose status is in
> flux; it can sit unused for any number of reasons, just like the HAM shack
> or anything else, no fault of yours. But I'm surprised by your complaints,
> because this is the first I'm hearing about them.
> Yes, Spiritual Leader is much closer to the ideal board member than
> Project Manager or Volunteer Coordinator. In fact you've running for
> Champion, whose very definition is to motivate people with your vision.
> We've been moving to reduce the board's role in daily operations since last
> election and have talked about these grassroots values in public a lot
> (though apparently not enough.) I don't think organizing volunteers and
> clearly defining their tasks is something the board, especially champion,
> should be doing. In a corporation, the board hires the CEO and trusts them
> to run things, it doesn't run things directly. The board is definitely the
> spiritual leadership of a corporation (which, unfortunately, we have to be
> for 501c3.)
> One thing that concerns me a lot is that many of the issues you've raised
> lately, in a somewhat political setting, are totally new to me and I'm sure
> many other members. Major community issues like microphone recording, kids
> welding in flip flops, community involvement in the bylaws, and your
> workbenches, all seem to flip between "not important enough to speak up
> about" and "examples behind why I should be a board member." I feel like
> you're saving those issues up to score political points with them instead
> of addressing them fully, in good faith, at the time. I might be wrong, but
> that's my perspective.
> I haven't bugged you about the wood shop because I figured you were busy,
> not because I knew anything about some kind of bench allocation grudge.
> It's all very surreal. If moving or fixing a bench will get us closer to a
> wood shop, I'll drive over and do it right now!
> The bylaws were discussed extensively at the community meeting where Jose
> presented them. I think Nate C. and Byron did more work on them than
> anyone, which is, nothing actionable happened.
> The flip flop welding incident happened when I was in Japan in March, and
> I'm first hearing about it in October; apparently the issue was raised to
> only a couple people there at the time but apparently it ended there,
> resolved or not.
> Microphones in the space were a serious legal/moral issue you were
> concerned with a few weeks ago, (aside: why didn't it get voted on on the
> 27th? Should we vote on it tonight?) but when I got a few minutes to stick
> electrical tape over them and chatted with you about hacking on them
> together, you hadn't thought about it recently.
> Now I'm not the only community member here, but you're running against
> Tim, Ryan, and Jeremy. I'll wager they've been less involved in these
> situations you've brought up than I have, yet somehow these are examples of
> things that would presumably run better when you're a board member; better
> than the competition?
> I've got infinite respect for the time and energy you've put into the
> community. Your casting group is one of the more amazing things I share
> with people. But between the talk of undoing the "do-ocracy" philosophy,
> clearly defining tasks for volunteers, and these concerning issues that
> apparently aren't concerning enough to let more than a couple people know
> about, I'm sincerely worried about serving on a board with you.
> Believe me, the issues you've raised are important to me and I plan to
> help address them; but I thought we were on the same team until a few weeks
> ago and now during an election you've suddenly brought up what amounts to a
> list of my failings as the Operations board member. So please forgive me if
> I'd rather work through them together with you, Austin, and every other
> amazing person in this community, instead of working for you on the board,
> to fix them and improve HeatSync.
> On Oct 11, 2012 10:37 AM, "Brian Aday" <projecti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Well HeatSync, today we chose. We know what the incumbents believe to be
>> be true, what the new people are motivated to do, and what you can expect
>> in the next year from your candidates.
>> In light of Will's last minute response, and since it seems to be a
>> direct attack on me, I have a few parting thoughts. For those of you that
>> already know me, this reply will be nothing new. I have discussed this with
>> other members for a year.
>> Time Commitment.
>> It's true, we are an all volunteer organization! Most of the new people
>> understand the time commitment , and what they have signed up for. I have
>> discussed this with them at length, and trust me they agonized over their
>> decision to run. They are running because they think Heatsync is worth
>> working for and they agree Heatsync is a special place. My board run is a
>> personal commitment to Heatsync and it's members to make the space a more
>> open and enjoyable space, to expand our skills, and bring in new and
>> interesting people. I have the time now to dedicate to the task. I don't
>> see it as a martyrdom, and since I have done this kind of thing before I
>> understand if you make it easy and enjoyable for people to participate it
>> can be sustained. We can look to Austin and Nate as examples.
>> It doesn't need to be a small group of volunteers doing everything,
>> volunteering at HeatSync simply needs to be *organized*. It is a lot
>> easier to commit time to a task when it is clearly defined rather than an
>> open ended. Volunteer once, do the task once, no further obligation. I
>> believe this approach will explode the volunteerism at HeatSync if we just
>> make it easier. I am willing to facilitate.
>> *Facility*
>> No one is advocating turning HeatSync into a TechShop. They really are a
>> different thing altogether and legally we would have to dissolve HeatSync
>> to turn it into a for-profit venture. Trust me, if things start to go that
>> way I will be sitting in that garage Will described! TechShop is a tool
>> rental and prototyping shop, and HeatSync is a community.
>> *Bylaws*
>> Our Attorney worked with our current board to create new Bylaws, to
>> expand the number of board seats and bring them more in line with standard
>> 501c formation. They were done much earlier in the year, and never brought
>> to the membership for discussion. Regardless of who the board turns out to
>> be, Nate has me motivated. I am going to champion getting these in front of
>> the community.
>> Growth
>> I have stated my position on growth. Membership isn't our only growth
>> option, there are grants out there. This is a job that must be done by the
>> board, the sponsors demand it. I would consider this a priority since we
>> lost the sponsor back in the summer. $1000 (or was it $1500?) a month is a
>> real loss.
>> Hack-Your-Hackerspace
>> After a year the wood shop lays dormant, it is true. I am the third
>> person to take on the task. The reason it has lain dormant is because I am
>> completely discouraged with the project. There was a plan to build out the
>> space, and a team of us were working on it. There were three incidents that
>> were discouraging, the final came in early summer. When the workbenches
>> were installed they were *redistributed* without a word at a HYH with a
>> board members support. One was broken during the process. My thought? If
>> this is how things work here why bother. I am not alone in my expierence,
>> my story is not unique. There is a lot of frustration with the difficulty
>> of volunteering time at HeatSync. I would like to see us
You've always had permission to disable the mics, and you don't need to
ask. I even disabled one myself, it was just a huge hassle.
My argument about listening in wasn't that we EVER have or will or could,
simply that existing laws carve some exemptions for owners of a business,
so hopefully nobody will sue us for having cameras with microphones.
There's no law about audio recording in a hackerspace, so we have to
interpret based on laws regarding businesses, private clubs, "public
space," etc. A lot of your concerns seem to revolve around worries of
getting sued, so I'm using my legal knowledge here.
Morally, I would be outraged to find someone using the lab's technology to
stalk or spy on someone. We're walking a fine, brand new line here. The
moral and legal territory are up to us to explore. I'm somewhat
disappointed that more community members don't care either way.
On Oct 11, 2012 2:08 PM, "Brian Aday" <projecti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> As I have said, I am not interested in being a 'Spiritual Leader' but I
> can inspire and facilitate. I can teach my skills, I can help with projects
> for the space, and I can make things easier and more fun. I am not trying
> to make a name for myself at community, and I really don't thing the
> membership needs someone to worship. I certainly do not.
> As for scoring political points, I am only responding to what you wrote
> that I believe was pointed directly at me. I really don't like that this
> has degraded into negativity. This is being done the minute before the
> election, so people can make up their own mind.
> As for the microphone thing, you and I have been discussing this issue for
> six months. *You kept arguing it was legal for the board to listen in
> because they control the space, and that made me very uneasy*. At the
> point I bought my own camera and found you could make out what people were
> saying I exposed it to the community. People now know you may be listening
> in, using cameras or other methods. That was the point. I gave you a chance
> to do the right thing, you could have offered to address my concerns then.
> Now it is exposed the potential hazard. When board elections started you
> told us you weren't running. It wasn't until Austin started talking about
> running that you entered the race. As I said in my message two days ago, I
> will disable the microphones. From Jacobs earlier post I assume they are
> yours, I assume I have permission now.
> As for my part, I am going to stop responding to this thread. I have been
> open and honest about what I intend to do as Champion, and if the HeatSync
> membership doesn't agree they won't vote for me. I will be happy with
> whomever wins, the new people are motivated and energized. And like Nate P,
> I will act as Champion for HeatSync regardless of the official title. The
> only difference is I will be setting my own priorities rather than getting
> them from the membership. So we all end up winning in the end.
> Again everyone, sorry for the negativity.
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Will Bradley <bradley.w...@gmail.com>wrote:
>> Brian, I just bought up wood shop as something visible whose status is in
>> flux; it can sit unused for any number of reasons, just like the HAM shack
>> or anything else, no fault of yours. But I'm surprised by your complaints,
>> because this is the first I'm hearing about them.
>> Yes, Spiritual Leader is much closer to the ideal board member than
>> Project Manager or Volunteer Coordinator. In fact you've running for
>> Champion, whose very definition is to motivate people with your vision.
>> We've been moving to reduce the board's role in daily operations since last
>> election and have talked about these grassroots values in public a lot
>> (though apparently not enough.) I don't think organizing volunteers and
>> clearly defining their tasks is something the board, especially champion,
>> should be doing. In a corporation, the board hires the CEO and trusts them
>> to run things, it doesn't run things directly. The board is definitely the
>> spiritual leadership of a corporation (which, unfortunately, we have to be
>> for 501c3.)
>> One thing that concerns me a lot is that many of the issues you've raised
>> lately, in a somewhat political setting, are totally new to me and I'm sure
>> many other members. Major community issues like microphone recording, kids
>> welding in flip flops, community involvement in the bylaws, and your
>> workbenches, all seem to flip between "not important enough to speak up
>> about" and "examples behind why I should be a board member." I feel like
>> you're saving those issues up to score political points with them instead
>> of addressing them fully, in good faith, at the time. I might be wrong, but
>> that's my perspective.
>> I haven't bugged you about the wood shop because I figured you were busy,
>> not because I knew anything about some kind of bench allocation grudge.
>> It's all very surreal. If moving or fixing a bench will get us closer to a
>> wood shop, I'll drive over and do it right now!
>> The bylaws were discussed extensively at the community meeting where Jose
>> presented them. I think Nate C. and Byron did more work on them than
>> anyone, which is, nothing actionable happened.
>> The flip flop welding incident happened when I was in Japan in March, and
>> I'm first hearing about it in October; apparently the issue was raised to
>> only a couple people there at the time but apparently it ended there,
>> resolved or not.
>> Microphones in the space were a serious legal/moral issue you were
>> concerned with a few weeks ago, (aside: why didn't it get voted on on the
>> 27th? Should we vote on it tonight?) but when I got a few minutes to stick
>> electrical tape over them and chatted with you about hacking on them
>> together, you hadn't thought about it recently.
>> Now I'm not the only community member here, but you're running against
>> Tim, Ryan, and Jeremy. I'll wager they've been less involved in these
>> situations you've brought up than I have, yet somehow these are examples of
>> things that would presumably run better when you're a board member; better
>> than the competition?
>> I've got infinite respect for the time and energy you've put into the
>> community. Your casting group is one of the more amazing things I share
>> with people. But between the talk of undoing the "do-ocracy" philosophy,
>> clearly defining tasks for volunteers, and these concerning issues that
>> apparently aren't concerning enough to let more than a couple people know
>> about, I'm sincerely worried about serving on a board with you.
>> Believe me, the issues you've raised are important to me and I plan to
>> help address them; but I thought we were on the same team until a few weeks
>> ago and now during an election you've suddenly brought up what amounts to a
>> list of my failings as the Operations board member. So please forgive me if
>> I'd rather work through them together with you, Austin, and every other
>> amazing person in this community, instead of working for you on the board,
>> to fix them and improve HeatSync.
>> On Oct 11, 2012 10:37 AM, "Brian Aday" <projecti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Well HeatSync, today we chose. We know what the incumbents believe to be
>>> be true, what the new people are motivated to do, and what you can expect
>>> in the next year from your candidates.
>>> In light of Will's last minute response, and since it seems to be a
>>> direct attack on me, I have a few parting thoughts. For those of you that
>>> already know me, this reply will be nothing new. I have discussed this with
>>> other members for a year.
>>> Time Commitment.
>>> It's true, we are an all volunteer organization! Most of the new people
>>> understand the time commitment , and what they have signed up for. I have
>>> discussed this with them at length, and trust me they agonized over their
>>> decision to run. They are running because they think Heatsync is worth
>>> working for and they agree Heatsync is a special place. My board run is a
>>> personal commitment to Heatsync and it's members to make the space a more
>>> open and enjoyable space, to expand our skills, and bring in new and
>>> interesting people. I have the time now to dedicate to the task. I don't
>>> see it as a martyrdom, and since I have done this kind of thing before
>>> I understand if you make it easy and enjoyable for people to participate it
>>> can be sustained. We can look to Austin and Nate as examples.
>>> It doesn't need to be a small group of volunteers doing everything,
>>> volunteering at HeatSync simply needs to be *organized*. It is a lot
>>> easier to commit time to a task when it is clearly defined rather than an
>>> open ended. Volunteer once, do the task once, no further obligation. I
>>> believe this approach will explode the volunteerism at HeatSync if we just
>>> make it easier. I am willing to facilitate.
>>> *Facility*
>>> No one is advocating turning HeatSync into a TechShop. They really are a
>>> different thing altogether and legally we would have to dissolve HeatSync
>>> to turn it into a for-profit venture. Trust me, if things start to go that
>>> way I will be sitting in that garage Will described! TechShop is a tool
>>> rental and prototyping shop, and HeatSync is a community.
>>> *Bylaws*
>>> Our Attorney worked with our current board to create new Bylaws, to
>>> expand the number of board seats and bring them more in line with standard
>>> 501c formation. They were done much earlier in the year, and never brought
>>> to the membership for discussion. Regardless of who the board turns out to
>>> be, Nate has me motivated. I am going to champion getting these in front of
I'm also sorry if my message appeared to say I wasn't running. I had no
idea Austin was running and was planning to run at 5pm Wednesday for a
week, in case nobody had posted anything by then. In any case, that's not
the reason for my "team" comment.
On Oct 11, 2012 2:28 PM, "Will Bradley" <bradley.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You've always had permission to disable the mics, and you don't need to
> ask. I even disabled one myself, it was just a huge hassle.
> My argument about listening in wasn't that we EVER have or will or could,
> simply that existing laws carve some exemptions for owners of a business,
> so hopefully nobody will sue us for having cameras with microphones.
> There's no law about audio recording in a hackerspace, so we have to
> interpret based on laws regarding businesses, private clubs, "public
> space," etc. A lot of your concerns seem to revolve around worries of
> getting sued, so I'm using my legal knowledge here.
> Morally, I would be outraged to find someone using the lab's technology to
> stalk or spy on someone. We're walking a fine, brand new line here. The
> moral and legal territory are up to us to explore. I'm somewhat
> disappointed that more community members don't care either way.
> On Oct 11, 2012 2:08 PM, "Brian Aday" <projecti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> As I have said, I am not interested in being a 'Spiritual Leader' but I
>> can inspire and facilitate. I can teach my skills, I can help with projects
>> for the space, and I can make things easier and more fun. I am not trying
>> to make a name for myself at community, and I really don't thing the
>> membership needs someone to worship. I certainly do not.
>> As for scoring political points, I am only responding to what you wrote
>> that I believe was pointed directly at me. I really don't like that this
>> has degraded into negativity. This is being done the minute before the
>> election, so people can make up their own mind.
>> As for the microphone thing, you and I have been discussing this issue
>> for six months. *You kept arguing it was legal for the board to listen
>> in because they control the space, and that made me very uneasy*. At
>> the point I bought my own camera and found you could make out what people
>> were saying I exposed it to the community. People now know you may be
>> listening in, using cameras or other methods. That was the point. I gave
>> you a chance to do the right thing, you could have offered to address my
>> concerns then. Now it is exposed the potential hazard. When board
>> elections started you told us you weren't running. It wasn't until Austin
>> started talking about running that you entered the race. As I said in my
>> message two days ago, I will disable the microphones. From Jacobs earlier
>> post I assume they are yours, I assume I have permission now.
>> As for my part, I am going to stop responding to this thread. I have been
>> open and honest about what I intend to do as Champion, and if the HeatSync
>> membership doesn't agree they won't vote for me. I will be happy with
>> whomever wins, the new people are motivated and energized. And like Nate P,
>> I will act as Champion for HeatSync regardless of the official title. The
>> only difference is I will be setting my own priorities rather than getting
>> them from the membership. So we all end up winning in the end.
>> Again everyone, sorry for the negativity.
>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:03 PM, Will Bradley <bradley.w...@gmail.com>wrote:
>>> Brian, I just bought up wood shop as something visible whose status is
>>> in flux; it can sit unused for any number of reasons, just like the HAM
>>> shack or anything else, no fault of yours. But I'm surprised by your
>>> complaints, because this is the first I'm hearing about them.
>>> Yes, Spiritual Leader is much closer to the ideal board member than
>>> Project Manager or Volunteer Coordinator. In fact you've running for
>>> Champion, whose very definition is to motivate people with your vision.
>>> We've been moving to reduce the board's role in daily operations since last
>>> election and have talked about these grassroots values in public a lot
>>> (though apparently not enough.) I don't think organizing volunteers and
>>> clearly defining their tasks is something the board, especially champion,
>>> should be doing. In a corporation, the board hires the CEO and trusts them
>>> to run things, it doesn't run things directly. The board is definitely the
>>> spiritual leadership of a corporation (which, unfortunately, we have to be
>>> for 501c3.)
>>> One thing that concerns me a lot is that many of the issues you've
>>> raised lately, in a somewhat political setting, are totally new to me and
>>> I'm sure many other members. Major community issues like microphone
>>> recording, kids welding in flip flops, community involvement in the bylaws,
>>> and your workbenches, all seem to flip between "not important enough to
>>> speak up about" and "examples behind why I should be a board member." I
>>> feel like you're saving those issues up to score political points with them
>>> instead of addressing them fully, in good faith, at the time. I might be
>>> wrong, but that's my perspective.
>>> I haven't bugged you about the wood shop because I figured you were
>>> busy, not because I knew anything about some kind of bench allocation
>>> grudge. It's all very surreal. If moving or fixing a bench will get us
>>> closer to a wood shop, I'll drive over and do it right now!
>>> The bylaws were discussed extensively at the community meeting where
>>> Jose presented them. I think Nate C. and Byron did more work on them than
>>> anyone, which is, nothing actionable happened.
>>> The flip flop welding incident happened when I was in Japan in March,
>>> and I'm first hearing about it in October; apparently the issue was raised
>>> to only a couple people there at the time but apparently it ended there,
>>> resolved or not.
>>> Microphones in the space were a serious legal/moral issue you were
>>> concerned with a few weeks ago, (aside: why didn't it get voted on on the
>>> 27th? Should we vote on it tonight?) but when I got a few minutes to stick
>>> electrical tape over them and chatted with you about hacking on them
>>> together, you hadn't thought about it recently.
>>> Now I'm not the only community member here, but you're running against
>>> Tim, Ryan, and Jeremy. I'll wager they've been less involved in these
>>> situations you've brought up than I have, yet somehow these are examples of
>>> things that would presumably run better when you're a board member; better
>>> than the competition?
>>> I've got infinite respect for the time and energy you've put into the
>>> community. Your casting group is one of the more amazing things I share
>>> with people. But between the talk of undoing the "do-ocracy" philosophy,
>>> clearly defining tasks for volunteers, and these concerning issues that
>>> apparently aren't concerning enough to let more than a couple people know
>>> about, I'm sincerely worried about serving on a board with you.
>>> Believe me, the issues you've raised are important to me and I plan to
>>> help address them; but I thought we were on the same team until a few weeks
>>> ago and now during an election you've suddenly brought up what amounts to a
>>> list of my failings as the Operations board member. So please forgive me if
>>> I'd rather work through them together with you, Austin, and every other
>>> amazing person in this community, instead of working for you on the board,
>>> to fix them and improve HeatSync.
>>> On Oct 11, 2012 10:37 AM, "Brian Aday" <projecti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Well HeatSync, today we chose. We know what the incumbents believe to
>>>> be be true, what the new people are motivated to do, and what you can
>>>> expect in the next year from your candidates.
>>>> In light of Will's last minute response, and since it seems to be a
>>>> direct attack on me, I have a few parting thoughts. For those of you that
>>>> already know me, this reply will be nothing new. I have discussed this with
>>>> other members for a year.
>>>> Time Commitment.
>>>> It's true, we are an all volunteer organization! Most of the new
>>>> people understand the time commitment , and what they have signed up for. I
>>>> have discussed this with them at length, and trust me they agonized over
>>>> their decision to run. They are running because they think Heatsync is
>>>> worth working for and they agree Heatsync is a special place. My board run
>>>> is a personal commitment to Heatsync and it's members to make the space a
>>>> more open and enjoyable space, to expand our skills, and bring in new and
>>>> interesting people. I have the time now to dedicate to the task. I don't
>>>> see it as a martyrdom, and since I have done this kind of thing before
>>>> I understand if you make it easy and enjoyable for people to participate it
>>>> can be sustained. We can look to Austin and Nate as examples.
>>>> It doesn't need to be a small group of volunteers doing everything,
>>>> volunteering at HeatSync simply needs to be *organized*. It is a lot
>>>> easier to commit time to a task when it is clearly defined rather than an
>>>> open ended. Volunteer once, do the task once, no further obligation. I
>>>> believe this approach will explode the volunteerism at HeatSync if we just
>>>> make it easier. I am willing to facilitate.
>>>> *Facility*
>>>> No one is advocating turning HeatSync into a TechShop. They really are
>>>> a different thing altogether and legally we would have to dissolve HeatSync
>>>> to turn it into a for-profit venture. Trust me, if things start to go that
>>>> way I will be sitting in that garage Will
I'm really glad that we can step in to a new year of HeatSync's administration dripping with anger and drama. Drama which has apparently been brewing for months, but we were all being passive aggressive to each other instead of bringing it up to one another. This attitude and other things which have come to light in the last few weeks have made me feel like my time as a board member was wasted and that our community actually doesn't feel like the current administation represents them? Is that true?
I am so proud of everyone. These dramathreads make me want to show up and make SO MANY COOL THINGS.</sarcasm>
Do you really have such a big problem with the current administation that you read everything they say as a personal attack against you? Are we really your enemies or are you just being paranoid? Tell us how you feel, Brian, since you so obviously have feelings about how the current administration has handled things. Or at least have the respect to tell me how you feel.
Unrelated, the nice thing about not having to propose every things and sometimes make "unilateral" decisions is that, hey, those things are easily un-doable. It's like we're a community of different people with different beliefs or something! We can start proposing everything if you'd rather see that though.
> There was no [*Proposal]* at a HYH to move the tables, it was a unilateral
> decision by a board member and one other member who has since apologized. A
> consensus was not formed in the community, and I didn't even get a text
> message or an email. Would that have been unreasonable?
> I am glad you have had a better experience than some of the rest of us,
> perhaps it is a function of what you are volunteering to do. I find that
> volunteering to give tours and clean up at HYH works pretty well. It is
> when you have to get multiple people together with board support you start
> to have issues. It has improved over the last few months, I must admit. I
> think having contested board positions has been good for us. I am hoping
> this level of involvement continues.
> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Nate Plamondon
> > I disagree with a few of your points, Brian.
> > - Will's post didn't strike me as a personal attack against you.
> > - The revised bylaws were brought to the community, albeit not very
> > visibly. As they're hosted on github [1], this is not something the board
> > needs to do.
> > - Our lack of a full wood shop says less to me about your effort than
> > about the community's desire for a wood shop. The benches are great, by
> > the
> > way!
> > - I'm perplexed by your complaint of HYH rearranging the benches
> > immediately followed by "consensus is better."
> > - I don't see the difficulty in volunteering at HSL; Come in, do great
> > things. If your story is truly not unique, which it may not be, and you
> > want that to change, encourage the others who have complaints to speak up
> > and/or fix it. (This goes for everyone complaining about anything. Speak
> > up, step up, or shut up.) Nothing is accomplished by whispering, and this
> > sort of thing isn't something the board can fix.
> > --
> > Nate Plamondon
> > Sent from a tiny on-screen keyboard
> > On Oct 11, 2012 10:37 AM, "Brian Aday" <projecti...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Well HeatSync, today we chose. We know what the incumbents believe to be
> >> be true, what the new people are motivated to do, and what you can expect
> >> in the next year from your candidates.
> >> In light of Will's last minute response, and since it seems to be a
> >> direct attack on me, I have a few parting thoughts. For those of you that
> >> already know me, this reply will be nothing new. I have discussed this
> >> with
> >> other members for a year.
> >> Time Commitment.
> >> It's true, we are an all volunteer organization! Most of the new people
> >> understand the time commitment , and what they have signed up for. I have
> >> discussed this with them at length, and trust me they agonized over their
> >> decision to run. They are running because they think Heatsync is worth
> >> working for and they agree Heatsync is a special place. My board run is a
> >> personal commitment to Heatsync and it's members to make the space a more
> >> open and enjoyable space, to expand our skills, and bring in new and
> >> interesting people. I have the time now to dedicate to the task. I don't
> >> see it as a martyrdom, and since I have done this kind of thing before I
> >> understand if you make it easy and enjoyable for people to participate it
> >> can be sustained. We can look to Austin and Nate as examples.
> >> It doesn't need to be a small group of volunteers doing everything,
> >> volunteering at HeatSync simply needs to be *organized*. It is a lot
> >> easier to commit time to a task when it is clearly defined rather than an
> >> open ended. Volunteer once, do the task once, no further obligation. I
> >> believe this approach will explode the volunteerism at HeatSync if we
> >> just
> >> make it easier. I am willing to facilitate.
> >> *Facility*
> >> No one is advocating turning HeatSync into a TechShop. They really are a
> >> different thing altogether and legally we would have to dissolve HeatSync
> >> to turn it into a for-profit venture. Trust me, if things start to go
> >> that
> >> way I will be sitting in that garage Will described! TechShop is a tool
> >> rental and prototyping shop, and HeatSync is a community.
> >> *Bylaws*
> >> Our Attorney worked with our current board to create new Bylaws, to
> >> expand the number of board seats and bring them more in line with
> >> standard
> >> 501c formation. They were done much earlier in the year, and never
> >> brought
> >> to the membership for discussion. Regardless of who the board turns out
> >> to
> >> be, Nate has me motivated. I am going to champion getting these in front
> >> of
> >> the community.
> >> Growth
> >> I have stated my position on growth. Membership isn't our only growth
> >> option, there are grants out there. This is a job that must be done by
> >> the
> >> board, the sponsors demand it. I would consider this a priority since we
> >> lost the sponsor back in the summer. $1000 (or was it $1500?) a month is
> >> a
> >> real loss.
> >> Hack-Your-Hackerspace
> >> After a year the wood shop lays dormant, it is true. I am the third
> >> person to take on the task. The reason it has lain dormant is because I
> >> am
> >> completely discouraged with the project. There was a plan to build out
> >> the
> >> space, and a team of us were working on it. There were three incidents
> >> that
> >> were discouraging, the final came in early summer. When the workbenches
> >> were installed they were *redistributed* without a word at a HYH with a
> >> board members support. One was broken during the process. My thought? If
> >> this is how things work here why bother. I am not alone in my expierence,
> >> my story is not unique. There is a lot of frustration with the difficulty
> >> of volunteering time at HeatSync. I would like to see us shift to a place
> >> where we actually work with each other, rather than just destroying
> >> someone
> >> else's work. I believe a consensus is better than conflict even if the
> >> consensus goes against you.
> >> *Communication*
> >> This wasn't one of Nate's original questions, but I think it needs to be
> >> addressed. If you want to be a board member, please temper your
> >> communication on the Google group. Personal attacks and profanity filled
> >> rants (Not Will), make us look bad to the world. There is no way to know
> >> how many people have been scared off of HeatSync by the negativity of a
> >> few. As a board member, your voice is amplified, keep that in mind
> >> please.
> >> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 10:38 PM, Will Bradley
> >>> I've been drafting this for a few days, sorry for the last minute
> >>> response :)
> >>> Time Commitment. I disagree that being a Board Member takes a lot of
> >>> time. It took a lot of time and effort to be a founder, and certainly
> >>> volunteering is important, but you should not elect a person to the
> >>> board
> >>> because they promise to volunteer more. You should elect someone because
> >>> they're trustworthy and have a vision for the future you agree with.
> >>> It feels good at first to be a martyr, working for members as though
> >>> they were your customer, but this actually hurts the community and isn't
> >>> sustainable. There's little incentive for a member to lead an event,
> >>> champion a new tool, or even clean up after themselves if they think
> >>> someone else will take care of it, and I think each member knows this.
> >>> We've spent the past 3 years inspiring everyone to "be the change they
> >>> want
> >>> to see" and it's been truly amazing to see the organic growth lately!
> >>> Let's
> >>> continue that.
> >>> It's a hard balance to achieve, but we're using the tried-and-true
> >>> "do-ocracy" <http://www.communitywiki.org/DoOcracy> model out of
> >>> necessity: there is simply too much work to be done to rely on a small
> >>> group of unpaid volunteers to "take care of it." By encouraging and
> >>> empowering everyone to make the improvements *they* see fit, we can
> >>> achieve so much more than in a centralized "hold the board member's feet
> >>> to
> >>> the fire" model.
We are close to election hour. I'd like to thank all nominees for your selflessness interest in helping the community and opening the discussions, and whish you a good election. Regardless of the results we are a community and we'd like to keep you all moving forward together. A lot of thanks to the retiring board members as well. The place is great and you did an excelent job Gregorio