A Cause for Celebration
alohacyberian
Saddam Hussein went on trial - the ex-master butcher of Iraq, reeking of
blood. And last Saturday, the newly freed Iraqi people pulled off a
referendum right under the noses of terrorists whose hearts' desire is to
blow democracy to bits. The United States - the armed forces especially, and
the Bush administration's leadership - is largely responsible for both these
amazing developments. Obviously Iraq is still in deadly danger. But if these
two events don't call for congratulations, what kind of world events would?
Yet up on Capitol Hill, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had been called
before a Senate committee. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) was one of those who
questioned her. Boxer was obnoxious and frightening.
[...]
Rice was defending the administration's conduct of the war when Boxer
objected. The administration, Boxer noted (correctly), has changed focus on
Iraq. We went to war mainly on account of weapons of mass destruction and
international terrorism, she said. But WMD turned out to be a hoax on the
whole world, and nowadays we are told that our Iraq mission is gigantic. We
plan for a freed Iraq to inspire and stabilize the entire Middle East and to
promote democracy everywhere. What kind of bait-and-switch is the
administration playing with the American people?
Rice answered that this is the way the world works. For example, we did not
go into World War II to build a democratic Germany.. Here Boxer interrupted.
World War II, she told Rice curtly, has nothing to do with Iraq. Boxer had
lost relatives in the Holocaust. No one had to tell her about World War II.
But Rice's analogy was exactly right. And by the way, using the Holocaust as
a bat to beat political enemies over the head is demeaning to Jews and to
human dignity. Having lost relatives in the Holocaust does not, in any case,
confer expertise in U.S. history.
Democracies rarely declare war to improve the world, as Rice could have
explained had she had the chance. They fight to protect themselves, sometimes
to fulfill treaty obligations. But once a war is underway, free peoples tend
to think things over deeply. Casualties concentrate the mind. We refuse to
let our soldiers die for too little. America at war has lifted its sights
again and again from danger, self-interest and self-defense to a larger,
nobler goal. Same story, war after war. Iraq fits perfectly.
At first, Colonial America made war on Britain to loosen the British grip on
commerce and society, not to create an independent state. Only as the war
dragged on and costs and casualties mounted did public opinion swing round
toward independence. In 1861, the North reluctantly made war on the
Confederacy to hold the Union together. President Lincoln was painfully aware
that, at the start of the fighting, freedom for the slaves would not have
commanded popular support as a cause for war. Only later, as casualties
mounted and blood ran in rivers, did freeing the slaves become the Union's
ultimate goal.
We marched into World War I behind an idealistic war message from President
Wilson to Congress. But the U.S. was in a fighting mood because of Germany's
threat to sink unarmed American merchant ships and a German secret message
(intercepted by Britain) offering Texas, New Mexico and Arizona to Mexico if
it joined Germany against the U.S. Only later did self-determination in
Europe and the creation of a League of Nations become American war goals.
Which brings us to World War II. And, of course, Rice is dead right: Once the
war was over, we spent years cultivating democracy in Japan and Germany. But
we entered the war because Japan attacked us and, four days later, Adolf
Hitler declared war on us.
What do we conclude when the secretary of State makes a plain statement of
historical fact and a senator won't listen? That it is only natural for
demagogues to attack thoughtful, polite officials who are trying hard to tell
straight truths about a complicated war.
~ David Gelertner, "A history lesson", _Los Angeles Times_, October 21, 2005
~
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gelernter21oct21,0,7993456.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions
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the lovely and talented alohacyberian
broadcast on alt.politics:
> This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
> Saddam Hussein went on trial
Obviously just a show trial. If Tom Delay cannot be tried in
front of a Democrat judge, Saddam can only be tried by a
Baathist.
> - the ex-master butcher of Iraq, reeking of
> blood.
Like George Bush doesn't.
> And last Saturday, the newly freed Iraqi people pulled off a
> referendum right under the noses of terrorists whose hearts' desire is to
> blow democracy to bits.
Yeah. Those 99% yes votes are *so* much more convincing than the
only 95% votes that Saddam won.
> The United States - the armed forces especially, and
> the Bush administration's leadership - is largely responsible for both these
> amazing developments. Obviously Iraq is still in deadly danger. But if these
> two events don't call for congratulations, what kind of world events would?
The indictment of Dick Cheney *and* Karl Rove.
> Yet up on Capitol Hill, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had been called
> before a Senate committee.
Where she refused to say the US could get out of the quagmire in
less than ten years.
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I don't see posts from or threads started from googlegroups.
"There's an old...saying in Tennessee...I know it's in Texas, probably
in Tennessee that says Fool me once...Shame on...Shame on you....Fool
me...Can't get fooled again." --George W. Bush
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"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
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>> > (-:alohacyberian:-) At my website there are 3000 live cameras or
> visit NASA, play games, read jokes, send greeting cards & connect
> to CNN news, NBA, the White House, Academy Awards or learn all
> about Hawaii, Israel and more: http://keith.martin.home.att.net/
>
>
As a public service to intelligent people everywhere, I have snipped the
propaganda from this post. Which, other than the posters advertising of
his, Im sure more than wonderful website, was the entire bunch of
bullshit.
Roger
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<snip>
> ~ David Gelertner, "A history lesson", _Los Angeles Times_, October 21,
> 2005
> ~
> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gelernter21oct21,0,7993456.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions
Why Bush is a Great President
Weekly Standard / David Gelertner
IT'S OBVIOUS not only that George W. Bush has already earned his Great
President badge (which might even outrank the Silver Star) but that much of
the opposition to Bush has a remarkable and very special quality; one might
be tempted to call it "lunacy." But that's too easy. The "special quality"
of anti-Bush opposition tells a more significant, stranger story than that.
Mitchell Holman
news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
> This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
> Saddam Hussein went on trial - the ex-master butcher of Iraq, reeking of
> blood.
Did you notice that Saddam is being tried
for a massacre he pulled off while he was the
darling of the Reagan administration?
No, probably not.
>
> Rice answered that this is the way the world works. For example, we did
> not go into World War II to build a democratic Germany.. Here Boxer
> interrupted. World War II, she told Rice curtly, has nothing to do with
> Iraq. Boxer had lost relatives in the Holocaust. No one had to tell her
> about World War II.
>
> But Rice's analogy was exactly right. And by the way, using the
> Holocaust as a bat to beat political enemies over the head is demeaning
> to Jews and to human dignity. Having lost relatives in the Holocaust
> does not, in any case, confer expertise in U.S. history.
>
> Democracies rarely declare war to improve the world, as Rice could have
> explained had she had the chance. They fight to protect themselves,
> sometimes to fulfill treaty obligations. But once a war is underway,
> free peoples tend to think things over deeply. Casualties concentrate
> the mind. We refuse to let our soldiers die for too little. America at
> war has lifted its sights again and again from danger, self-interest and
> self-defense to a larger, nobler goal. Same story, war after war. Iraq
> fits perfectly.
Modern Conservative: Someone who believes the
Iraq invasion was "noble" self-defense because
Saddam was on the verge of using his non-existent
navy and his non-existent air force to attack the
US with his non-existent WMD's.
> Which brings us to World War II. And, of course, Rice is dead right:
> Once the war was over, we spent years cultivating democracy in Japan and
> Germany. But we entered the war because Japan attacked us and, four days
> later, Adolf Hitler declared war on us.
Bingo. WWII was self defense. Iraq was not.
Something else the "just like WWII" ideologues
omit: During WWII the US government actively tracked
and prosecuted cases of war profiteering, a crime
so important the Senate had a select committee to
oversee it.
Now we have an administration that overtly makes
profiteering legal. Ripping off the public in a time
of war is currently "good business", it seems.
www.hillnews.com/news/110503/profiteering.aspx
www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5124.htm
Mitchell Holman
"There aren't any insurgents to speak of in Iraq."
Keith "Alohacyberian" Martin, 10/13/05
abracadabra
"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
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> Saddam Hussein went on trial
So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
> ~ David Gelertner<---- clearly an idiot!
Mitchell Holman
@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>
> "alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
>> Saddam Hussein went on trial
>
> So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
In fact he was our solution, at least during
the Reagan years.
"In 1988, after an Iraqi poison gas attack that killed
some 5,000 Kurds at Halabja in northern Iraq, U.S. aid
to Iraq actually increased."
http://www.amarillonet.com/stories/122902/opi_murphrey.shtml
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>
> The indictment of Dick Cheney *and* Karl Rove.
Keep dreaming liberal.
directory
> Did you notice that Saddam is being tried
> for a massacre he pulled off while he was the
> darling of the Reagan administration?
Did you notice what the Ayatolla did to Americans during the Carter
adninistration?
No, probably not...
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> "alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
>>Saddam Hussein went on trial
>
>
> So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
Nice...typical liberal enemy of liberty...very nice...
directory
> "abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:7y67f.19283$QE1.15724
> @newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>
>
>>"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
>>news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>
>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial
>>
>>So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
>
>
>
> In fact he was our solution, at least during
> the Reagan years.
You really liked Carter's embassy hostage days, didn't you?
cor
alohacyberian wrote:
>
> This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
> Saddam Hussein went on trial - the ex-master butcher of Iraq, reeking of
> blood. And last Saturday, the newly freed Iraqi people pulled off a
How many did he kill?
How many iraqis has the US intervention killed?
is the butcher of Iraq going to reveal where did he get the bombing
coordinates for the poison gas that the US supplied to bomb the kurds?
directory
>
> alohacyberian wrote:
>
>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
>>Saddam Hussein went on trial - the ex-master butcher of Iraq, reeking of
>>blood. And last Saturday, the newly freed Iraqi people pulled off a
>
>
> How many did he kill?
Too many?
abracadabra
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
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Hostages were held for longer under Reagan, and in the end Reagan rewarded
the hostage takers, after vowing he'd "never make a deal with terrorists".
Of course once Reagan paid off the hostage takers - they took more hostages!
abracadabra
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
Interesting assertion - now back it up.
Explain how getting rid of Saddam was in the US interest.
Sadly you are capable of nothing more than name calling - it'd be pathetic,
but nobody expects much from conservatives any more.
directory
> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
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>>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>
>>>"abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:7y67f.19283$QE1.15724
>>>@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
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>>>
>>>
>>>>"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
>>>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial
>>>>
>>>>So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In fact he was our solution, at least during
>>>the Reagan years.
>>
>>You really liked Carter's embassy hostage days, didn't you?
>
>
> Hostages were held for longer under Reagan,
Hostages were _RELEASED_ due to Reagan!
Remmeber those rescue chopers Jimma sent out without sand fliters?
LOL!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
Carter publicly sought negotiation, using friendly third-party
governments such as Switzerland. Meanwhile, he approved an ill-conceived
secret rescue mission code-named Operation Eagle Claw. On the night of
April 24-25, 1980, transport aircraft preparing for a special forces
landing in Tehran rendezvoused at an airstrip in the Great Salt Desert
of Eastern Iran. The mission, already aborted due to aircraft damage
suffered in a sandstorm, turned to disaster when one departing
helicopter clipped a C-130 airplane and crashed, killing eight U.S.
servicemen. Mission material was left behind for the Iranians to
discover and later display, and the dead bodies were paraded through
Tehran during massive street protests, broadcast worldwide. Carter's
Secretary of State, Cyrus Vance, who had opposed the rescue, resigned.
A second rescue attempt labeled Credible Sport was prepared using C-130
Hercules aircraft highly modified with rocket motors for an extremely
short landing and take-off in a soccer stadium, but abandoned after the
November election.
While the crisis ensued, former Johnson Administration Attorney General
Ramsey Clark — now an antiwar activist — flew to Tehran and participated
in a "Crimes of America" trial.
In the United States, Carter lost the November 1980 presidential
election to Ronald Reagan. Most analysts believe Carter's inability to
solve the hostage crisis played a large role in his decisive defeat.
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> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
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>
>>abracadabra wrote:
>>
>>>"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
>>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial
>>>
>>>
>>>So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
>>
>>Nice...typical liberal enemy of liberty...very nice...
>
>
> Interesting assertion - now back it up.
> Explain how getting rid of Saddam was in the US interest.
Are you on drugs???
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/033jgqyi.asp?pg=2
Even as the critics withhold the basis for their allegations, evidence
on the other side is piling up. Ansar al-Islam--the al Qaeda cell formed
in June 2001 that operated out of northern Iraq before the war, notably
attacking Kurdish enemies of Saddam--has stepped up its activities
elsewhere in the country. In some cases, say national security
officials, Ansar is joining with remnants of Saddam's regime to attack
Americans and nongovernmental organizations working in Iraq. There is
some reporting, unconfirmed at this point, that the recent bombing of
the U.N. headquarters was the result of a joint operation between
Baathists and Ansar al-Islam.
And there are reports of more direct links between the Iraqi regime and
bin Laden. Farouk Hijazi, former Iraqi ambassador to Turkey and Saddam's
longtime outreach agent to Islamic fundamentalists, has been captured.
In his initial interrogations, Hijazi admitted meeting with senior al
Qaeda leaders at Saddam's behest in 1994. According to administration
officials familiar with his questioning, he has subsequently admitted
additional contacts, including a meeting in late 1997. Hijazi continues
to deny that he met with bin Laden on December 21, 1998, to offer the al
Qaeda leader safe haven in Iraq. U.S. officials don't believe his denial.
For one thing, the meeting was reported in the press at the time. It
also fits a pattern of contacts surrounding Operation Desert Fox, the
series of missile strikes the Clinton administration launched at Iraq
beginning December 16, 1998. The bombing ended 70 hours later, on
December 19, 1998. Administration officials now believe Hijazi left for
Afghanistan as the bombing ended and met with bin Laden two days later.
Earlier that year, at another point of increased tension between the
United States and Iraq, Hussein sought to step up contacts with al
Qaeda. On February 18, 1998, after the Iraqis repeatedly refused to
permit U.N. weapons inspectors into sensitive sites, President Bill
Clinton went to the Pentagon and delivered a hawkish speech about
Hussein's weapons of mass destruction and his links to "an unholy axis
of terrorists, drug traffickers, and organized international criminals."
Said Clinton: "We have to defend our future from these predators of the
21st century. . . . They will be all the more lethal if we allow them to
build arsenals of nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the
missiles to deliver them. We simply cannot allow that to happen. There
is no more clear example of this threat than Saddam Hussein."
The following day, February 19, 1998, according to documents unearthed
in Baghdad after the recent war by journalists Mitch Potter and Inigo
Gilmore, Hussein's intelligence service wrote a memo detailing upcoming
meetings with a bin Laden representative traveling to Baghdad. Each
reference to bin Laden had been covered with Liquid Paper. The memo laid
out a plan to step up contacts between Iraq and al Qaeda. The
Mukhabarat, one of Saddam's security forces, agreed to pay for "all the
travel and hotel costs inside Iraq to gain the knowledge of the message
from bin Laden and to convey to his envoy an oral message from us to bin
Laden." The document set as the goal for the meeting a discussion of
"the future of our relationship with him, bin Laden, and to achieve a
direct meeting with him." The al Qaeda representative, the document went
on to suggest, might be "a way to maintain contacts with bin Laden."
cor
How many iraqis has the US intervention killed?
directory
>
> directory wrote:
>
>>cor wrote:
>>
>>>alohacyberian wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
>>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial - the ex-master butcher of Iraq, reeking of
>>>>blood. And last Saturday, the newly freed Iraqi people pulled off a
>>>
>>>
>>>How many did he kill?
>>
>>Too many?
>
>
> How many iraqis has the US intervention killed?
How many have beenliberated?
...say 25 million or so..LOL!!!
> is the butcher of Iraq going to reveal where did he get the bombing
Is he going to be sentenced to DEATH for doing it?
LOL!!!
jbohren
"abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Osama who?
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"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
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Boy o boy, when all else fails, accuse a liberal of being the enmey of
liberty. Try a new line. Play a new Tape. Read a new book. You are sad
excuse for a bush excuse maker.
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"jbohren" <jeff_...@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
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see him, now you dont. I liked his Bush election speech myself. Once a
Carlyle man. Always a Carlyle man. Blood is thicker than water, but oil
trumps it all.
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"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
> cor wrote:
> >
> > directory wrote:
> >
> >>cor wrote:
> >>
> >>>alohacyberian wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On
Wednesday,
> >>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial - the ex-master butcher of Iraq, reeking
of
> >>>>blood. And last Saturday, the newly freed Iraqi people pulled off a
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>How many did he kill?
> >>
> >>Too many?
> >
> >
> > How many iraqis has the US intervention killed?
>
> How many have beenliberated?
>
> ...say 25 million or so..LOL!!!
So, what your accpeted kill ratio?
Cyberwasteland
>
> LOL!
Oh yeah... that's real American... laughing at my fallen brothers who
died in the line of duty.
You fucking asshole
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That was a mission conducted by a fine leader named Col. Bechwith, who was
distingued in Vietnam, who earned the nickname "press on." And, you are
right, it is not a joke, and anyone who laughs at it is a sick motherfucker,
who must hate American soldiers to the core.
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> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
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>
>>abracadabra wrote:
>>
>>>"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>
>>>
>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
>>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial
>>>
>>>
>>>So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
>>
>>Nice...typical liberal enemy of liberty...very nice...
>
>
> Boy o boy, when all else fails, accuse a liberal of being the enmey of
> liberty.
"Fails"?
...well...true, you lot didn't get uncle Sodamned back in power...
directory
> "jbohren" <jeff_...@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>"abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>>"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>abracadabra wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On
>
> Wednesday,
>
>>>>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
>>>>
>>>>Nice...typical liberal enemy of liberty...very nice...
>>>
>>>Interesting assertion - now back it up.
>>>Explain how getting rid of Saddam was in the US interest.
>>>Sadly you are capable of nothing more than name calling - it'd be
>>>pathetic, but nobody expects much from conservatives any more.
>>>
>>
>>Who was responsible for the WTC?
>>Osama who?
>>
>>
>
> Osama Bin-Bush, the best friend a republican con-artists ever had.
Lying demoCrap, worst hypocrite a nation ever had.
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> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
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>
>>cor wrote:
>>
>>>directory wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>cor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>alohacyberian wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On
>
> Wednesday,
>
>>>>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial - the ex-master butcher of Iraq, reeking
>
> of
>
>>>>>>blood. And last Saturday, the newly freed Iraqi people pulled off a
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How many did he kill?
>>>>
>>>>Too many?
>>>
>>>
>>>How many iraqis has the US intervention killed?
>>
>>How many have beenliberated?
>>
>>...say 25 million or so..LOL!!!
>
>
> So, what your accpeted kill ratio?
Oh maybe less than 500,000 sounds workable.
Mitchell Holman
news:dv87f.774$AS...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:
"Iran is the strangest collection of looney
tunes and squalid criminals since the Third Reich".
Ronald Reagan, just prior to selling weapons to
that same Iran in the Iran/Contra deal.
directory
>>Remmeber those rescue chopers Jimma sent out without sand fliters?
>>
>>LOL!
>
>
> Oh yeah... that's real American... laughing at my fallen brothers
Is Jimma your "fallen brother"?
Stupid try leftist, fuck off.
directory
Here's one to cheer for - course you socialists never voted for him:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ross_Perot
Just prior to the 1979 Iranian Revolution, the government of Iran
imprisoned two of his employees in a contract dispute. Perot organized
and sponsored a successful rescue. The rescue team was led by retired
U.S. Army Special Forces Colonel Arthur D. ('Bull') Simons. When the
team couldn't find a way to extract their two prisoners, they decided to
wait for a mob of pro-Ayatollah revolutionaries to storm the jail and
free all 10,000 inmates, many of whom were political prisoners. The two
prisoners then connected with the rescue team, and the team spirited
them out of Iran via a risky border crossing into Turkey.
directory
> "abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> wrote in
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>>"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
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>>>Mitchell Holman wrote:
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>>>>"abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:7y67f.19283$QE1.15724
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>>>>
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>>>>>"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On
>>>>>>Wednesday, Saddam Hussein went on trial
>>>>>
>>>>>So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In fact he was our solution, at least during
>>>>the Reagan years.
>>>
>>>You really liked Carter's embassy hostage days, didn't you?
>>
>>Hostages were held for longer under Reagan, and in the end Reagan
>>rewarded the hostage takers, after vowing he'd "never make a deal with
>>terrorists". Of course once Reagan paid off the hostage takers - they
>>took more hostages!
>>
>>
>
>
> "Iran is the strangest collection of looney
> tunes and squalid criminals since the Third Reich".
> Ronald Reagan, just prior to selling weapons to
> that same Iran in the Iran/Contra deal.
Sure have to go a long way back to to slam a dead man eh?
XTS
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
How is the truth a slam? It's only a slam if you hate the truth. Like all
republicans you hate the truth.
XTS
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
LOL, I kenw that would make you go crazy, but it's true. Without Osama,
bush is nothing.
XTS
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
I had an Uncle Joe, Ted, Mike and Loius. No "sodamned". You are confusing
your family with mine, and have resorted to making up words...lol. you are a
geat stooge...keep coming back. You are a great kickball.
XTS
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
> XTS wrote:
> > "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
> > news:Q097f.24410$8Q5....@fe08.news.easynews.com...
> >
> >>cor wrote:
> >>
> >>>directory wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>cor wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>alohacyberian wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On
> >
> > Wednesday,
> >
> >>>>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial - the ex-master butcher of Iraq,
reeking
> >
> > of
> >
> >>>>>>blood. And last Saturday, the newly freed Iraqi people pulled off a
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>How many did he kill?
> >>>>
> >>>>Too many?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>How many iraqis has the US intervention killed?
> >>
> >>How many have beenliberated?
> >>
> >>...say 25 million or so..LOL!!!
> >
> >
> > So, what your accpeted kill ratio?
>
> Oh maybe less than 500,000 sounds workable.
And that's liberation. Only in the mind of a sick inbred idiot like you.
Thanks for answering the set up question, now we know you just want to kill
Iraqis like the rest of your trashy cohorts. . Only a half million huh. what
a generous mass murderer you are.
abracadabra
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
> abracadabra wrote:
>> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
>> news:4l77f.43599$qM5....@fe04.news.easynews.com...
>>
>>>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>
>>>>"abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:7y67f.19283$QE1.15724
>>>>@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On
>>>>>>Wednesday, Saddam Hussein went on trial
>>>>>
>>>>>So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In fact he was our solution, at least during
>>>>the Reagan years.
>>>
>>>You really liked Carter's embassy hostage days, didn't you?
>>
>>
>> Hostages were held for longer under Reagan,
>
> Hostages were _RELEASED_ due to Reagan!
Again you prove your ignorance.
Plenty of hostages were taken in Lebanon. Reagan gave into the hostage
takers demands, giving arms to the hostage takers Iranian spongers. You ever
hear of Iran Contra?
LOL
> Remmeber those rescue chopers Jimma sent out without sand fliters?
>
> LOL!
Not surprising that you find the death of American servicement funny.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
>
> Carter publicly sought negotiation, using friendly third-party governments
> such as Switzerland. Meanwhile, he approved an ill-conceived secret rescue
> mission code-named Operation Eagle Claw. On the night of April 24-25,
> 1980, transport aircraft preparing for a special forces landing in Tehran
> rendezvoused at an airstrip in the Great Salt Desert of Eastern Iran. The
> mission, already aborted due to aircraft damage suffered in a sandstorm,
> turned to disaster when one departing helicopter clipped a C-130 airplane
> and crashed, killing eight U.S. servicemen. Mission material was left
> behind for the Iranians to discover and later display, and the dead bodies
> were paraded through Tehran during massive street protests, broadcast
> worldwide. Carter's Secretary of State, Cyrus Vance, who had opposed the
> rescue, resigned.
>
> A second rescue attempt labeled Credible Sport was prepared using C-130
> Hercules aircraft highly modified with rocket motors for an extremely
> short landing and take-off in a soccer stadium, but abandoned after the
> November election.
>
> While the crisis ensued, former Johnson Administration Attorney General
> Ramsey Clark — now an antiwar activist — flew to Tehran and participated
> in a "Crimes of America" trial.
>
> In the United States, Carter lost the November 1980 presidential election
> to Ronald Reagan. Most analysts believe Carter's inability to solve the
> hostage crisis played a large role in his decisive defeat.
1) Carter made the hostage crisis an issue to avoid a primary challenge from
Ted Kennedy.
2) Soaring inflation and 20% interest rates had a lot more to do with
Carters loss than the hostage crisis - the hostages were just icing on the
cake. When people can't make a living, they are going to vote for change.
3) Your "evidence" is an opinion piece, not a credible source. Any Wicipedia
page can be altered by anyone at whim. I know you cons think that you can
change history or reality by repeating something enough times, but it
doesn't really work that way.
abracadabra
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
You brought up the Carter-Reagan thing silly - don't you read you own posts?
It isn't "slamming a dead man" to discuss the history of the USA, which is
well documented and many of us lived through it.
Reagan was not much of a President, but he could at least act like one - not
like Bush who not only isn't qualified, but he has the dignity of a drunk
walking down the highway at 10:00 AM.
directory
> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
> news:9G87f.86548$lC.1...@fe05.news.easynews.com...
>
>>abracadabra wrote:
>>
>>>"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
>>>news:4l77f.43599$qM5....@fe04.news.easynews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:7y67f.19283$QE1.15724
>>>>>@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On
>>>>>>>Wednesday, Saddam Hussein went on trial
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> In fact he was our solution, at least during
>>>>>the Reagan years.
>>>>
>>>>You really liked Carter's embassy hostage days, didn't you?
>>>
>>>
>>>Hostages were held for longer under Reagan,
>>
>>Hostages were _RELEASED_ due to Reagan!
>
>
> Again you prove your ignorance.
> Plenty of hostages were taken in Lebanon. Reagan gave into the hostage
> takers demands, giving arms to the hostage takers Iranian spongers. You ever
> hear of Iran Contra?
> LOL
You know how they actually got HOME???
That's right - Ron brought em in.
>>Remmeber those rescue chopers Jimma sent out without sand fliters?
>>
>>LOL!
>
>
> Not surprising that you find the death of American servicement funny.
Not surprising you'd lie and imply such.
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis
>>
>>Carter publicly sought negotiation, using friendly third-party governments
>>such as Switzerland. Meanwhile, he approved an ill-conceived secret rescue
>>mission code-named Operation Eagle Claw. On the night of April 24-25,
>>1980, transport aircraft preparing for a special forces landing in Tehran
>>rendezvoused at an airstrip in the Great Salt Desert of Eastern Iran. The
>>mission, already aborted due to aircraft damage suffered in a sandstorm,
>>turned to disaster when one departing helicopter clipped a C-130 airplane
>>and crashed, killing eight U.S. servicemen. Mission material was left
>>behind for the Iranians to discover and later display, and the dead bodies
>>were paraded through Tehran during massive street protests, broadcast
>>worldwide. Carter's Secretary of State, Cyrus Vance, who had opposed the
>>rescue, resigned.
>>
>>A second rescue attempt labeled Credible Sport was prepared using C-130
>>Hercules aircraft highly modified with rocket motors for an extremely
>>short landing and take-off in a soccer stadium, but abandoned after the
>>November election.
>>
>>While the crisis ensued, former Johnson Administration Attorney General
>>Ramsey Clark — now an antiwar activist — flew to Tehran and participated
>>in a "Crimes of America" trial.
>>
>>In the United States, Carter lost the November 1980 presidential election
>>to Ronald Reagan. Most analysts believe Carter's inability to solve the
>>hostage crisis played a large role in his decisive defeat.
>
>
> 1) Carter made the hostage crisis an issue
...by blowing it totally...
> 2) Soaring inflation and 20% interest rates had a lot more to do with
> Carters loss
Wow, nice work again Jimma - LOL!
And don't forget all the b.s with wearing sweaters, turning down the
heat ands driving 55...
> 3) Your "evidence" is an opinion piece, not a credible source.
It's peer reviewed, you leftists like sort of thing don't you?
directory
> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
> news:pld7f.186490$cw3....@fe01.news.easynews.com...
>
>>XTS wrote:
>>
>>>"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
>>>news:Q097f.24410$8Q5....@fe08.news.easynews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>cor wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>directory wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>cor wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>alohacyberian wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On
>>>
>>>Wednesday,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial - the ex-master butcher of Iraq,
>
> reeking
>
>>>of
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>blood. And last Saturday, the newly freed Iraqi people pulled off a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How many did he kill?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Too many?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How many iraqis has the US intervention killed?
>>>>
>>>>How many have beenliberated?
>>>>
>>>>...say 25 million or so..LOL!!!
>>>
>>>
>>>So, what your accpeted kill ratio?
>>
>>Oh maybe less than 500,000 sounds workable.
>
>
> And that's liberation.
That's 24.5 million liberated, yes.
directory
> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
> news:1kd7f.186473$cw3....@fe01.news.easynews.com...
>
>>XTS wrote:
>>
>>>"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
>>>news:3l77f.43598$qM5....@fe04.news.easynews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>abracadabra wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On
>
> Wednesday,
>
>>>>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
>>>>
>>>>Nice...typical liberal enemy of liberty...very nice...
>>>
>>>
>>>Boy o boy, when all else fails, accuse a liberal of being the enmey of
>>>liberty.
>>
>>"Fails"?
>>
>>...well...true, you lot didn't get uncle Sodamned back in power...
>
>
> I had an Uncle Joe, Ted, Mike and Loius. No "sodamned".
I'll betethey were all damend if you're honest about it.
directory
No, it's insanity.
directory
By editorial intent, duh.
directory
No...read the thread for comprehension smeggy:
Bleedi...@dc.not
You're a TRAITOR. Are you going to make death threats or will it be
threats to sue us all? You're such a PUSSY.
Bleedi...@dc.not
You fucking moron. Wikipedia admits its information is crap. You
worship crap, shit, and Bush so you've found your new bible.
Max Masters!!!
"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
> blood. And last Saturday, the newly freed Iraqi people pulled off a
> blow democracy to bits. The United States - the armed forces especially,
> and the Bush administration's leadership - is largely responsible for both
> these amazing developments. Obviously Iraq is still in deadly danger. But
> if these two events don't call for congratulations, what kind of world
> events would?
Rejoicing at the solemn, heavy burden of Hussein's trial? To do so would be
to misunderstand, and insult, the signifigance of the moment.
> Yet up on Capitol Hill, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had been
> called before a Senate committee. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) was one of
> those who questioned her. Boxer was obnoxious and frightening.
> [...]
> Rice was defending the administration's conduct of the war when Boxer
> objected. The administration, Boxer noted (correctly), has changed focus
> on Iraq. We went to war mainly on account of weapons of mass destruction
> and international terrorism, she said. But WMD turned out to be a hoax on
> the whole world, and nowadays we are told that our Iraq mission is
> gigantic. We plan for a freed Iraq to inspire and stabilize the entire
> Middle East and to promote democracy everywhere. What kind of
> bait-and-switch is the administration playing with the American people?
>
> Rice answered that this is the way the world works. For example, we did
> not go into World War II to build a democratic Germany.. Here Boxer
> interrupted. World War II, she told Rice curtly, has nothing to do with
> Iraq. Boxer had lost relatives in the Holocaust. No one had to tell her
> about World War II.
>
> But Rice's analogy was exactly right. And by the way, using the Holocaust
> as a bat to beat political enemies over the head is demeaning to Jews and
> to human dignity. Having lost relatives in the Holocaust does not, in any
> case, confer expertise in U.S. history.
>
> Democracies rarely declare war to improve the world, as Rice could have
> explained had she had the chance. They fight to protect themselves,
> sometimes to fulfill treaty obligations. But once a war is underway, free
> peoples tend to think things over deeply. Casualties concentrate the mind.
> We refuse to let our soldiers die for too little. America at war has
> lifted its sights again and again from danger, self-interest and
> self-defense to a larger, nobler goal. Same story, war after war. Iraq
> fits perfectly.
>
> At first, Colonial America made war on Britain to loosen the British grip
> on commerce and society, not to create an independent state. Only as the
> war dragged on and costs and casualties mounted did public opinion swing
> round toward independence. In 1861, the North reluctantly made war on the
> Confederacy to hold the Union together. President Lincoln was painfully
> aware that, at the start of the fighting, freedom for the slaves would not
> have commanded popular support as a cause for war. Only later, as
> casualties mounted and blood ran in rivers, did freeing the slaves become
> the Union's ultimate goal.
>
> We marched into World War I behind an idealistic war message from
> President Wilson to Congress. But the U.S. was in a fighting mood because
> of Germany's threat to sink unarmed American merchant ships and a German
> secret message (intercepted by Britain) offering Texas, New Mexico and
> Arizona to Mexico if it joined Germany against the U.S. Only later did
> self-determination in Europe and the creation of a League of Nations
> become American war goals.
>
> Which brings us to World War II. And, of course, Rice is dead right: Once
> the war was over, we spent years cultivating democracy in Japan and
> Germany. But we entered the war because Japan attacked us and, four days
> later, Adolf Hitler declared war on us.
>
> What do we conclude when the secretary of State makes a plain statement of
> historical fact and a senator won't listen? That it is only natural for
> demagogues to attack thoughtful, polite officials who are trying hard to
> tell straight truths about a complicated war.
> ~ David Gelertner, "A history lesson", _Los Angeles Times_, October 21,
> 2005
> ~
> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gelernter21oct21,0,7993456.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions
So being attacked by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor and joining in WWII,
and leading to the Marshall Plan is the same thing as being wrong about
WMD and trying to salvage a political victory? As a revolutionary
democratist, I disagree.
directory
ESAD.
> Are you going to make death threats
Nah, but someone else might, you never know...
directory
Aw...you lefties hate it when I use your own ammunition against you -
LOL!!!!
directory
WMD are irrelevant for now.
Nice of you to diminish out efforts to power-seed democracy.
>
tater...@white.ron
Eat yourself, turdball, like you always do.
>
>> Are you going to make death threats
>
>Nah, but someone else might, you never know...
You ratpublican pansies are all threat, promises, and failure.
Republicans are ALL TRAITORS.
abracadabra
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
Which hostages are you talking about? The hostages in Iran got home with no
help from Reagan what so ever.
The hostages in Lebanon were released after Reagan paid off the terrorists
with arms, which was against his own stated policy.
After he paid them off, they took more hostages to get more weapons.
Hope that helps!
>>>Remmeber those rescue chopers Jimma sent out without sand fliters?
>>>
>>>LOL!
>>
>>
>> Not surprising that you find the death of American servicement funny.
>
> Not surprising you'd lie and imply such.
You are the one who said "LOL" after talking about American servicemen
dying. I didn't imply anything silly. Do you read your own posts?
Snipping facts doesn't change them.
>> 2) Soaring inflation and 20% interest rates had a lot more to do with
>> Carters loss
>
> Wow, nice work again Jimma - LOL!
Carter inherited the inflation, and he was certainly at fault for not doing
more about it. The 20% interests rates came from the Fed Chairman to reign
in inflation.
> And don't forget all the b.s with wearing sweaters, turning down the heat
> ands driving 55...
Explain why those were bad ideas - I look forward to reading your logical
response!
>> 3) Your "evidence" is an opinion piece, not a credible source.
>
> It's peer reviewed, you leftists like sort of thing don't you?
Any page can be changed instantly - I could go to that same page, post that
Carter beat Reagan in 1980 and it would stay up on that page until it was
altered. Wikipedia is an interesting experiment, but it's not that useful.
abracadabra
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
Yes - you're a liar, traitor, and moron.
directory
Sorry you really did bruing it up and the thread shows it you lying
piece of shit.
directory
Drop dead trash-head.
directory
Wrong again.
> The hostages in Lebanon were released after Reagan paid off the terrorists
> with arms,
Gee, they got home didn't they?
So what was it "no help" or "paid off" - make up- your pea sized mind.
>>>>Remmeber those rescue chopers Jimma sent out without sand fliters?
>>>>
>>>>LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>Not surprising that you find the death of American servicement funny.
>>
>>Not surprising you'd lie and imply such.
>
>
> You are the one who said "LOL" after talking about American servicemen
> dying.
No, I said LOL over Carter's stupidity in planning rescue missions you
moron.
In fact it took another rat in KLintoon to fumble even more.
Gummed up choppers are so passe.
Denying them is your game.
>>>2) Soaring inflation and 20% interest rates had a lot more to do with
>>>Carters loss
>>
>>Wow, nice work again Jimma - LOL!
>
>
> Carter inherited the inflation, and he was certainly at fault for not doing
> more about it. The 20% interests rates came from the Fed Chairman to reign
> in inflation.
"Whose" appointee?
>>And don't forget all the b.s with wearing sweaters, turning down the heat
>>ands driving 55...
>
>
> Explain why those were bad ideas - I look forward to reading your logical
> response!
Rotflmao!
You think 55 was a _good_ idea?
You think colder homes had _any_ lasting impact on energy usage?
Gad you're a real moron!
>>>3) Your "evidence" is an opinion piece, not a credible source.
>>
>>It's peer reviewed, you leftists like sort of thing don't you?
>
>
> Any page can be changed instantly -
Any page is peer reeviewed and defacement is dealt with.
So where are the errors in what was presented here, eh?
abracadabra
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
What actions did President Reagan take to get the Iranians to release the
hostages?
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
Go ahead - put up or shut up.
>> The hostages in Lebanon were released after Reagan paid off the
>> terrorists with arms,
>
> Gee, they got home didn't they?
Rewarding hostage takers is bad policy, as evidenced by the terrorists
taking more hostages when they wanted more arms. It was also against our
stated policy.
> So what was it "no help" or "paid off" - make up- your pea sized mind.
Different situations - do you know any history at all?
1) One set of hostages were taken by Iranian "students" and held in Iran.
They were released when Carter left office. Reagan had nothing to do with
that.
2) In the civil war in Lebanon many more hostages taken, including
Americans. These were the terrorists that Reagan gave arms to in order to
secure the release of the hostages.
Hope that clears things up for you.
>>>>>Remmeber those rescue chopers Jimma sent out without sand fliters?
>>>>>
>>>>>LOL!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Not surprising that you find the death of American servicement funny.
>>>
>>>Not surprising you'd lie and imply such.
>>
>>
>> You are the one who said "LOL" after talking about American servicemen
>> dying.
>
> No, I said LOL over Carter's stupidity in planning rescue missions you
> moron.
We all know what you said.
You don't even know the difference between hostages taken in Lebanon and
hostages taken THE PREVIOUS DECADE in Iran. You are not one to correct
anyone on facts!
LOL
>>>>2) Soaring inflation and 20% interest rates had a lot more to do with
>>>>Carters loss
>>>
>>>Wow, nice work again Jimma - LOL!
>>
>>
>> Carter inherited the inflation, and he was certainly at fault for not
>> doing more about it. The 20% interests rates came from the Fed Chairman
>> to reign in inflation.
>
> "Whose" appointee?
Carters - and it was Volker's hjigh interest rates that did in inflation.
Were you alive in the 80's?
>>>And don't forget all the b.s with wearing sweaters, turning down the heat
>>>ands driving 55...
>>
>>
>> Explain why those were bad ideas - I look forward to reading your logical
>> response!
>
> Rotflmao!
>
> You think 55 was a _good_ idea?
When the country faces a massive gas shortage it's a good idea. You weren't
alive back than so you don't know about the gas lines.
> You think colder homes had _any_ lasting impact on energy usage?
Explain how they wouldn't:
>>>>3) Your "evidence" is an opinion piece, not a credible source.
>>>
>>>It's peer reviewed, you leftists like sort of thing don't you?
>>
>>
>> Any page can be changed instantly -
>
>
> Any page is peer reeviewed and defacement is dealt with.
Not instantly silly.
abracadabra
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
Yes you are. Apology accepted.
Tom Betz
@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:
> 1) One set of hostages were taken by Iranian "students" and held
> in Iran. They were released when Carter left office. Reagan had
> nothing to do with that.
Actually, there is evidence that Reagan (with GHW Bush and William
Casey) was involved in an "Arms for Hostages" deal prolonging their
stay in Iran, having offered Iran weapons in exchange for keeping
them in Iran until the day of his inauguration -- a prelude to the
later Iran-Contra scandals.
--
George Bush's War of Choice on Iraq is a totally unnecessary war.
Every life lost, every limb lost, every disfigurement, every
disability caused there is more blood on George W. Bush's hands,
and on the hands of everyone who voted for George W. Bush.
Ottodachat
> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
>
>>XTS wrote:
>>
>>>"jbohren" <jeff_...@nospamyahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>news:11lq9rs...@corp.supernews.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>"abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:rw87f.776$AS6...@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>abracadabra wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On
>>>
>>>Wednesday,
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Saddam Hussein went on trial
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So the fuck what - he wasn't our problem.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Interesting assertion - now back it up.
>>>>>Explain how getting rid of Saddam was in the US interest.
>>>>>Sadly you are capable of nothing more than name calling - it'd be
>>>>>pathetic, but nobody expects much from conservatives any more.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Who was responsible for the WTC?
>>>>Osama who?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Osama Bin-Bush, the best friend a republican con-artists ever had.
>>
>>Lying demoCrap, worst hypocrite a nation ever had.
>
>
> bush is nothing.
>
>
according to Bush all sand niggers are related. Little did they realize
that most of them (terrorists) who bombed the WT Center on 9/11 were
from Saudi Arabia...
oh well so much for intelligence. And going after the right enemy.
directory
> Quoth "abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> in news:GUt7f.44$m81.36
> @newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>
>
>>1) One set of hostages were taken by Iranian "students" and held
>>in Iran. They were released when Carter left office. Reagan had
>>nothing to do with that.
>
>
> Actually, there is evidence that Reagan (with GHW Bush and William
> Casey) was involved in an "Arms for Hostages" deal prolonging their
> stay in Iran, having offered Iran weapons in exchange for keeping
> them in Iran until the day of his inauguration -- a prelude to the
> later Iran-Contra scandals.
>
There's also rumor that Israel was part of it and sent arms to Iran.
_big yawn_
Ask Tom Sutherland if he likes being home.
directory
> Apology accepted.
You wouldn't get an apology from me if you were the last traitor on the
planet - ESAD!
directory
See below you lying piece of shit.
>>>The hostages in Lebanon were released after Reagan paid off the
>>>terrorists with arms,
>>
>>Gee, they got home didn't they?
>
>
> Rewarding hostage takers is bad policy,
Tell that to Tom Sutherland.
>>So what was it "no help" or "paid off" - make up- your pea sized mind.
>
>
> Different situations -
Different sides of your brain.
>>>>>>Remmeber those rescue chopers Jimma sent out without sand fliters?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LOL!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Not surprising that you find the death of American servicement funny.
>>>>
>>>>Not surprising you'd lie and imply such.
>>>
>>>
>>>You are the one who said "LOL" after talking about American servicemen
>>>dying.
>>
>>No, I said LOL over Carter's stupidity in planning rescue missions you
>>moron.
>
>
> We all know what you said.
Apparently that doesn't stop you from lying about it.
You seek to conflate with no knowledge of what deal may have been brokered.
Hint - it had to do with Israel, Iran, and arms.
>>>>>2) Soaring inflation and 20% interest rates had a lot more to do with
>>>>>Carters loss
>>>>
>>>>Wow, nice work again Jimma - LOL!
>>>
>>>
>>>Carter inherited the inflation, and he was certainly at fault for not
>>>doing more about it. The 20% interests rates came from the Fed Chairman
>>>to reign in inflation.
>>
>>"Whose" appointee?
>
>
> Carters - and it was Volker's hjigh interest rates that did in inflation.
> Were you alive in the 80's?
And it was Voelker who kept us in a prolonged induced recession.
Not that home ownership or jobs matter to scum like you.
>>>>And don't forget all the b.s with wearing sweaters, turning down the heat
>>>>ands driving 55...
>>>
>>>
>>>Explain why those were bad ideas - I look forward to reading your logical
>>>response!
>>
>>Rotflmao!
>>
>>You think 55 was a _good_ idea?
>
>
> When the country faces a massive gas shortage it's a good idea.
Another lie, 55 was below the efficiency break point for cars of the day
and their gearing, most, and heavy trucks especially were more efficient
at 60-52 mph.
You stupid bastard.
> You weren't
> alive back than so you don't know about the gas lines.
You just made another really _bad_ guess dummy.
>>You think colder homes had _any_ lasting impact on energy usage?
>
>
> Explain how they wouldn't:
Take a look at the actual numbers, it kept climbing.
The impact was minimal.
Higher R values, 2X6 instread of 2X4 construction, storm windows, and
crack sealing all massively out perform turning down the thermostat and
provide long haul savings a moron like you couldn't dream of.
>>>>>3) Your "evidence" is an opinion piece, not a credible source.
>>>>
>>>>It's peer reviewed, you leftists like sort of thing don't you?
>>>
>>>
>>>Any page can be changed instantly -
>>
>>
>>Any page is peer reeviewed and defacement is dealt with.
>
>
> Not instantly silly.
>
I've not seen you offer one correction to the data in play, only ire
over the source.
You're a lying shithead.
directory
> according to Bush all sand niggers are related.
CITE!
You racist slimeball.
Bob Tiernan
> Actually, there is evidence that Reagan (with GHW Bush and
> William Casey) was involved in an "Arms for Hostages" deal...
This is rich. Clintonians were already saying in
mid 2001 that Clinton was "old news" and that
his detractors needed to stop pointing fingers at
him. Now we have those Clintonians dredging up
Reagan 25 years after the fact. But anyway...
> ....prolonging their stay in Iran, having offered Iran
> weapons in exchange for keeping them in Iran until the
> day of his inauguration
This is crap and here's why. If the idea was
to help keep Carter looking bad so that
Reagan could win the election, there was
no need for the hostages to be held beyond
election day. Once Inauguration Day came
along there's certainly be no need for the
Iranians to fast-track this the way they did.
Looks more like the Iranians hoped for a Carter
re-election, and that after Reagan won the
Iranians began to realize more and more as
Inauguration Day approached that Reagan was
going to do something really big about this,
hence the rush to release them by that day as
if every minute counted.
Lefties don't want to admit this.
Bob T
directory
Well of course not, the arms from Israel to Iran heasrsay is so much
sexier....
Paul Hovnanian P.E.
They would have figured this out after election day as well. If they
feared quick retribution, they would want to be long gone by day 1 of
Reagan's term. Its more likey that the Inauguration Day release was
timed to upstage the Inauguration itself.
> Lefties don't want to admit this.
>
> Bob T
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tater...@white.ron
Are you going to goo-goo at us all next, TRAITOR?
tater...@white.ron
Reagan betrayed America by conspiring with the Iranians to delay the
hostages release by more Republican treachery. Remember the bizarre
story about a cake and a Bible sent to Khomeini by Reagan? All
Republicans are TRAITORS to America.
tater...@white.ron
hands. Of course, that number doesn't include the over 10,000 who
died evacuated to German air bases. Their deaths are as "hidden" as
the pictures of flag draped coffins
tater...@white.ron
Reagan was a TRAITOR with the Hostage/Iran/Contra deal. What is
amusing is that the US spends huge black budget amounts on the
intelligence services to devise schemes of deceptions, and if anyone
mentions the dirty tricks of the skull and bones CIA, NSA, etc, it's
just labeled another wacky conspiracy theory. No people will never
know the truth about what their government does.
directory
> Are you going to goo-goo
What say I spray nair in yer shorts.
directory
> Reagan betrayed America
You have nothing to say - ever.
directory
> Yes, Bush now has officially the blood
You, otoh, have only cold potatoes and vinegar.
directory
> Reagan was a TRAITOR
You are a convict.
directory
> Its more likey that the Inauguration Day release was
> timed to upstage the Inauguration itself.
Kind of a classic failure wasn't it.
Sanders Kaufman
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There was a fellow a few weeks ago who rented an apartment above a
nightclub.
He was mad at the kids' racket, so he shot into a crowd of them.
He was Soldier of the Year - and worked in the morgue in Iraq.
Keeping secret the crimes of George Bush and his Christian Coalition comes
at a heavy price.
alohacyberian
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> "alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
> propaganda from this post. Which, other than the posters advertising of
> his, Im sure more than wonderful website, was the entire bunch of
> bullshit.
>
Gosh, whatever did intelligent people everywhere do before you came along to
shoot off your mouth? I doubt if intelligent people have much use for a
bellicose blowhard. On second thought, stupid people probably don't either.
KM
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> "alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in
> news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>
>> This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On Wednesday,
>> blood.
>
> Did you notice that Saddam is being tried
> for a massacre he pulled off while he was the
> darling of the Reagan administration?
>
LOL! To contend that Saddam Hussein was ever the darling of the Reagan
Administration is yet another hilarious attempt to portray how desperate the
Leftwing is to again keep from admitting that they don't have any solutions
to world problems other than to blame the Republicans. And the words that
began this thread were written by an Iraqi. Elitist Leftwing Liberals are
absolutely driven to distraction by the fact that the Iraqis continue to
praise America in general and George W. Bush in particular for giving them
the freedom that the elite Leftwing so deeply resents. KM
alohacyberian
news:n2utl1pk1ve1835bk...@4ax.com...
>
> Reagan was a TRAITOR with the Hostage/Iran/Contra deal. What is
> amusing is that the US spends huge black budget amounts on the
> intelligence services to devise schemes of deceptions, and if anyone
> mentions the dirty tricks of the skull and bones CIA, NSA, etc, it's
> just labeled another wacky conspiracy theory. No people will never
> know the truth about what their government does.
>
you can find a country more to your liking. I'll help you pack and maybe
someone else will help with the fare to free you of your burdens. KM
alohacyberian
news:Xns96FA99F2C98E9g...@166.84.1.70...
> Quoth "abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> in news:GUt7f.44$m81.36
> @newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>
>> 1) One set of hostages were taken by Iranian "students" and held
>> in Iran. They were released when Carter left office. Reagan had
>> nothing to do with that.
>
> Actually, there is evidence that Reagan (with GHW Bush and William
> Casey) was involved in an "Arms for Hostages" deal prolonging their
> stay in Iran, having offered Iran weapons in exchange for keeping
> them in Iran until the day of his inauguration -- a prelude to the
> later Iran-Contra scandals.
>
Uh-huh. And where, pray, might one find this (a*hem) "evidence" of yet
another secret conspiracy known only to the shadowy denizens in the far
reaches of the elite leftwing? I think anyone with an IQ above an onion ring
knows perfectly well if there were even an iota of truth to such an absurd
contention, the elitist mainstream media in general and Reagan's rabid
detractors in particular would have spread it all over the world by every
means possible. So, until you post more credible support to such a sally,
I'll take it as yet another example of the elite Leftwing's absolute
inability to offer solutions to today's problems other than blaming
Republicans. KM
alohacyberian
> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
> news:kJs7f.77843$qM5....@fe04.news.easynews.com...
> They were released when Carter left office. Reagan had nothing to do with
> that.
>
released AFTER Reagan took office. Nice try, but, your assertion is a
bold-faced lie. And then you vaingloriously claim Reagan had nothing to do
with the release of the hostages under his administration.
You have absolutely no way of proving that assinine assumption and precious
little evidence to support it. You have no way of knowing what behind the
scenes manuevers had taken place in the interim between Reagan's being
elected and Carter's leaving office. All we do know is that the hostages were
held for 444 days under the Carter administration and for half a day under
the Reagan Administration. Naturally the Reagan-bashers aren't going to give
Reagan any credit for the release any more than they'll give Reagan credit
for his part in ending the Cold War; but, what is hilarious is the stone
silence the Reagan-basher's have regarding Carter's impotence in getting the
hostages released via "appeasement" and "diplomacy" for 444 days. KM
"Liberals said Reagan was dangerous and his rhetoric scary. They ridiculed
him as an idiot for believing the Soviet Union could be toppled. They opposed
him on every front--strengthening the military, aiding and arming
anti-Communist rebels around the world, invading Grenada, preparing to win a
nuclear war, building a nuclear shield, and waging a spiritual crusade
against Soviet totalitarianism. Reagan said the Soviet Union was an evil
empire and we would prevail. He called the ball, the shot, and the pocket,
and he won the game. But, now we're supposed to believe he was lucky.
Liberals lie about Reagan's victory because when Reagan won the Cold War, he
proved them wrong on everything they had done and said throughout the Cold
War. It is their last defense to fifty years of treason."
~ Ann Coulter, _Treason - Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on
Terrorism_, Crown Forum: New York, 2003, page 190
alohacyberian
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> "alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> Saddam Hussein went on trial - the ex-master butcher of Iraq, reeking of
>> referendum right under the noses of terrorists whose hearts' desire is to
>> blow democracy to bits. The United States - the armed forces especially,
>> and the Bush administration's leadership - is largely responsible for both
>> these amazing developments. Obviously Iraq is still in deadly danger. But
>> if these two events don't call for congratulations, what kind of world
>> events would?
>
>> Yet up on Capitol Hill, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice had been
>> called before a Senate committee. Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) was one of
>> those who questioned her. Boxer was obnoxious and frightening.
>> [...]
>> Rice was defending the administration's conduct of the war when Boxer
>> objected. The administration, Boxer noted (correctly), has changed focus
>> on Iraq. We went to war mainly on account of weapons of mass destruction
>> and international terrorism, she said. But WMD turned out to be a hoax on
>> the whole world, and nowadays we are told that our Iraq mission is
>> gigantic. We plan for a freed Iraq to inspire and stabilize the entire
>> Middle East and to promote democracy everywhere. What kind of
>> bait-and-switch is the administration playing with the American people?
>>
>> Rice answered that this is the way the world works. For example, we did
>> not go into World War II to build a democratic Germany.. Here Boxer
>> interrupted. World War II, she told Rice curtly, has nothing to do with
>> Iraq. Boxer had lost relatives in the Holocaust. No one had to tell her
>> about World War II.
>>
>> But Rice's analogy was exactly right. And by the way, using the Holocaust
>> as a bat to beat political enemies over the head is demeaning to Jews and
>> to human dignity. Having lost relatives in the Holocaust does not, in any
>> case, confer expertise in U.S. history.
>>
>> Democracies rarely declare war to improve the world, as Rice could have
>> explained had she had the chance. They fight to protect themselves,
>> sometimes to fulfill treaty obligations. But once a war is underway, free
>> peoples tend to think things over deeply. Casualties concentrate the mind.
>> We refuse to let our soldiers die for too little. America at war has
>> lifted its sights again and again from danger, self-interest and
>> self-defense to a larger, nobler goal. Same story, war after war. Iraq
>> fits perfectly.
>>
>> At first, Colonial America made war on Britain to loosen the British grip
>> on commerce and society, not to create an independent state. Only as the
>> war dragged on and costs and casualties mounted did public opinion swing
>> round toward independence. In 1861, the North reluctantly made war on the
>> Confederacy to hold the Union together. President Lincoln was painfully
>> aware that, at the start of the fighting, freedom for the slaves would not
>> have commanded popular support as a cause for war. Only later, as
>> casualties mounted and blood ran in rivers, did freeing the slaves become
>> the Union's ultimate goal.
>>
>> We marched into World War I behind an idealistic war message from
>> President Wilson to Congress. But the U.S. was in a fighting mood because
>> of Germany's threat to sink unarmed American merchant ships and a German
>> secret message (intercepted by Britain) offering Texas, New Mexico and
>> Arizona to Mexico if it joined Germany against the U.S. Only later did
>> self-determination in Europe and the creation of a League of Nations
>> become American war goals.
>>
>> Which brings us to World War II. And, of course, Rice is dead right: Once
>> the war was over, we spent years cultivating democracy in Japan and
>> Germany. But we entered the war because Japan attacked us and, four days
>> later, Adolf Hitler declared war on us.
>>
>> What do we conclude when the secretary of State makes a plain statement of
>> historical fact and a senator won't listen? That it is only natural for
>> demagogues to attack thoughtful, polite officials who are trying hard to
>> tell straight truths about a complicated war.
>> ~ David Gelertner, "A history lesson", _Los Angeles Times_, October 21,
>> 2005
>> ~
>> http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-gelernter21oct21,0,7993456.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions
>
> So being attacked by the Japanese at Pearl Harbor and joining in WWII,
> and leading to the Marshall Plan is the same thing as being wrong about
> WMD and trying to salvage a political victory? As a revolutionary
> democratist, I disagree.
>
I know. You reject out of hand and disgree with everything I post. So why
should this pouting little post come as a surprise or be any different? KM
abracadabra
> @newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net:
>
>> 1) One set of hostages were taken by Iranian "students" and held
>> in Iran. They were released when Carter left office. Reagan had
>> nothing to do with that.
>
> Actually, there is evidence that Reagan (with GHW Bush and William
> Casey) was involved in an "Arms for Hostages" deal prolonging their
> stay in Iran, having offered Iran weapons in exchange for keeping
> them in Iran until the day of his inauguration -- a prelude to the
> later Iran-Contra scandals.
I was trying to be nice
abracadabra
> "abracadabra" <ab...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:GUt7f.44$m81...@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
>> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
>> news:kJs7f.77843$qM5....@fe04.news.easynews.com...
>> 1) One set of hostages were taken by Iranian "students" and held in Iran.
>> They were released when Carter left office. Reagan had nothing to do with
>> that.
>>
> No, those hostages were NOT released when Carter left office
They were released the day Carter left office. Reagan didn't do a thing
abracadabra
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
> abracadabra wrote:
>> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>In fact he was our solution, at least during
>>>>>>>>>>the Reagan years.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You really liked Carter's embassy hostage days, didn't you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hostages were held for longer under Reagan,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hostages were _RELEASED_ due to Reagan!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Again you prove your ignorance.
>>>>>>Plenty of hostages were taken in Lebanon. Reagan gave into the hostage
>>>>>>takers demands, giving arms to the hostage takers Iranian spongers.
>>>>>>You ever hear of Iran Contra?
>>>>>>LOL
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You know how they actually got HOME???
>>>>>
>>>>>That's right - Ron brought em in.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Which hostages are you talking about? The hostages in Iran got home with
>>>>no help from Reagan what so ever.
>>>
>>>Wrong again.
>>
>>
>> What actions did President Reagan take Go ahead - put up or shut up.
>
> See below you lying piece of shit.
No evidence, as usual.
You're boring.
abracadabra
"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
> abracadabra wrote:
>> Apology accepted.
>
> You
Your surrender is duly noted.
Roger
And they were ALL released.
Mitchell Holman
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> "Mitchell Holman" <ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns96F95740F...@216.196.97.131...
>> "alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in
>> news:4t07f.490629$5N3.1...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:
>>
>>> This week should have been a time of rejoicing in America. On
>>> Wednesday, Saddam Hussein went on trial - the ex-master butcher of
>>> Iraq, reeking of blood.
>>
>> Did you notice that Saddam is being tried
>> for a massacre he pulled off while he was the
>> darling of the Reagan administration?
>>
>
> LOL! To contend that Saddam Hussein was ever the darling of the Reagan
> Administration is yet another hilarious attempt to portray how desperate
> the Leftwing is to again keep from admitting that they don't have any
> solutions to world problems other than to blame the Republicans.
So what was Rumsfeld doing in Bagdad, shaking
hands with Saddam while sealing deals to aid his
government?
http://www.iraqjournal.org/background/img/saddam-rumsfeld.jpg
Cyberwasteland
directory wrote:
> Cyberwasteland wrote:
> >>Remmeber those rescue chopers Jimma sent out without sand fliters?
> >>
> >>LOL!
> >
> >
>
> Is Jimma your "fallen brother"?
<snip>
It figures a shit-for-brains dumbass like you wouldn't understand the
concept of duty and honor. I was going through Phase 2 of BUD/S on
Coronado Island when we got news of the rescue attempt. All we were
thinking was how we wished we could help somehow. Politics never
entered our minds. A soldier doesn't think about the "why" or the
politics, only about the objective - the mission - and follows orders.
A self-appointed idiot like you would have no idea about this sense of
duty and honor. You've proven that.
directory
> He was mad at the kids' racket, so he
> Now, getoff your ass and go kill a Wetback
directory
They were released under Reagan's watch.
directory
> Your surrender
You ESAD!
directory
> "directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
> news:V7z7f.59886$Qu4....@fe07.news.easynews.com...
>
>>abracadabra wrote:
>>
>>>"directory" <n...@dll.run> wrote in message
>
>
>>>>>>>>>>>In fact he was our solution, at least during
>>>>>>>>>>>the Reagan years.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You really liked Carter's embassy hostage days, didn't you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hostages were held for longer under Reagan,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hostages were _RELEASED_ due to Reagan!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Again you prove your ignorance.
>>>>>>>Plenty of hostages were taken in Lebanon. Reagan gave into the hostage
>>>>>>>takers demands, giving arms to the hostage takers Iranian spongers.
>>>>>>>You ever hear of Iran Contra?
>>>>>>>LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You know how they actually got HOME???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's right - Ron brought em in.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Which hostages are you talking about? The hostages in Iran got home with
>>>>>no help from Reagan what so ever.
>>>>
>>>>Wrong again.
>>>
>>>
>>>What actions did President Reagan take Go ahead - put up or shut up.
>>
>>See below you lying piece of shit.
>
>
> No evidence, as usual.
http://www.historychannel.com/speeches/archive/speech_49.html
On the day of Reagan's inauguration, the U.S. freed almost $8 billion in
frozen Iranian assets, and the hostages were released.
http://www.btinternet.com/~nlpwessex/Documents/coupreaganbush.htm
"Suspicions about a deal between the Reagan campaign and Iran over the
hostages have circulated since the day of President Reagan's inaugural,
when Iran agreed to release the 52 American hostages exactly five
minutes after Mr. Reagan took the oath of office. Later, as it became
known that arms started to flow to Iran via Israel only a few days after
the inauguration, suspicions deepened that a secret arms-for-hostages
deal had been concluded.
directory
>
>
> So what was Rumsfeld doing in Bagdad, shaking
> hands with Saddam
Making sure Iran didn't get overweighted in the region - duh.
directory
> I was going through Phase 2 of BUD/S on
> Coronado Island
Spare me the bluster Sgt. Rock, It's not credible anayway.
Cyberwasteland
directory wrote:
> Cyberwasteland wrote:
> > I was going through Phase 2 of BUD/S on
> > Coronado Island
>
> Spare me
Two words always spoken by cowards.
directory
No wonder you recognized them so quickly.
Cyberwasteland
Yes, I've heard them a few times. Just because I won't take the shot
because you're shielding yourself with your kids doesn't mean my buddy
doesn't have clear LOS.
directory
> Just because I won't take the shot
> because you're shielding yourself with your kids doesn't mean my buddy
> doesn't have clear LOS.
>
Big mouth - small brain, uselessnet froth