The ACLU and More Revisionist Anti-Christian History
alohacyberian
that America was not founded by Christians - nor upon the principles of
Christianity - the 1796 Treaty of Tripoli, which declared in Article XI: "the
government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the
Christian religion."
He asserted this as legal proof, under the supremacy clause, that this must
be and still is the case - but more than that, with key founder President
John Adams' signature on it, a personal, in-your-face testimony against
Christians and their incessant claims about God's hand in founding this
nation.
Sure, we're all convinced.
Notwithstanding that such a claim contradicts everything in John Adams'
writings to the contrary (we'll get to that in a minute), and the rest of the
key founders, for that matter, and notwithstanding the testimony of two
centuries before our founding, and nearly two centuries after that founding
that embraced America's Christian tradition in Congress, in the courts, in
presidential speeches, in the public school classrooms, and in state and
local governments, without question.
Notwithstanding that little sidestep, here's another: The U.S. does not have
and has not had the original copy of this treaty for at least two centuries
(it is lost); the two originals that do exist (in Italian and Arabic) have no
such phrase, no such clause in the treaty, period.
What we do have is a 'certified copy' written by a man, Joel Barlow, who
brought to publication Thomas Paine's diatribe against Christianity, "The Age
of Reason," and whose motives might be described as suspect.
The Avalon Project at Yale University, without assigning any motives to Mr.
Barlow, notes of the blatant discrepancy:
As even a casual examination of the annotated translation of 1930 shows, the
Barlow translation is at best a poor attempt at a paraphrase or summary of
the sense of the Arabic; and even as such its defects throughout are obvious
and glaring. Most extraordinary (and wholly unexplained) is the fact that
Article 11 of the Barlow translation, with its famous phrase, "the government
of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian
Religion," does not exist at all. There is no Article 11. The Arabic text
which is between Articles 10 and 12 is in form a letter, crude and flamboyant
and withal quite unimportant. . How that script came to be written and to be
regarded, as in the Barlow translation, as Article 11 of the treaty as there
written, is a mystery and seemingly must remain so. Nothing in the diplomatic
correspondence of the time throws any light whatever on the point.
[...]
Finally, the original Treaty of Tripoli of 1805 that IS in our possession,
and IS signed by a Founding President, has no such, Barlow inspired,
anti-Christian clause. (footnote 5)
The bottom line: If this is the best Founding Era 'proof' these historical
revisionists can come up with against Christianity (and John Adams), it is
pathetic. - An original treaty signed by Adams that is not the original, not
signed by Adams (on the copy in dispute), at odds with both of the originals
that we do have, declared by the then American Consul to Tripoli, Leander
Cathcart, to be an "extremely erroneous" copy, at odds with the treaty that
followed but a few years later, and written by a man whose motives and
judgment were suspect. Pathetic indeed.
[footnote 5 above:]
5. "Treaty of Peace and Amity, Signed at Tripoli June 4, 1805, online at
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/diplomacy/barbary/bar1805t.htm ]
~ Steve Farrell, "The Great Pillars of American Liberty"
~ http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/5/9/212811.shtml
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Bob Tiernan
> ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot, and
> anti-Faerie-stories.
No, they support the right to be an idiot and a
believer in Faerie stories.
Bob T
clw
"____________" <__@___.net> wrote:
> ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot, and anti-Faerie-stories.
Do not get too upset over Hula-Twit's lack of insight. Like too many
people, he has absolutely no idea of how the ACLU functions, much less
its basic philosophy. All he knows is that Hannity and Limbaugh are
anti-ACLU, so that must be gods own position.
--
Panta Rei
____________
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So you must be one of their clients.
Along with the ACLU, I cherish your Constitutional right to be a dangerous
moron.
Don Homuth
For which the Right ought to be thankful.
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Brother Flaming Scimitar of Vengeful Reflection
Servant of the Unitarian Jihad
alohacyberian
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LOL! But, of course it would be asking too much for you to interrupt your
childish name-calling and personal slurs to enlighten us as to how the ACLU
functions, much less its basic philosphy. I know little about Hannity or his
remarks and even less about Limbaugh because I don't watch or listen to
either of them, but, obviously they have something useful to contribute if
they've got you in their audience to the degree that you can represent their
positions. KM
alohacyberian
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> ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot... <snippage>
>
Someone should tell them that it isn't against the law to be an idiot,
especially if it's the ACLU or elitist Leftwing Liberals doing the usual
name-calling. KM
Roger
> "____________" <__@___.net> wrote in message
> news:JjKge.73241$r53.7173@attbi_s21...
>> ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot... <snippage>
>>
> Someone should tell them that it isn't against the law to be an idiot,
> especially if it's the ACLU or elitist Leftwing Liberals doing the usual
> name-calling. KM
Unless the ACLU is defending Limbaugh, Elder, or North.
Then they're doing god's work.
Bob Tiernan
> "Bob Tiernan" wrote:
> > ____________ wrote:
> >> ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot, and
> >> anti-Faerie-stories.
> > No, they support the right to be an idiot and a
> > believer in Faerie stories.
> So you must be one of their clients.
>
> Along with the ACLU, I cherish your Constitutional right to be
> a dangerous moron.
Good - you have re-written your earlier point and
this time you sounded more American. You're
learning.
Bob r
Scratch
Scratch
Anyone that doesn't have to spiders for a brain knows how the ACLU got
started and what a p.o.s. organization it is. Only the Anti-Americans
support it.
Scratch
Why? So we can observe the leftists of this nation try and take another
punch at its guts?
Scratch
Don Homuth
<Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote:
>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
Yeah well, that don't account for squat.
The ACLU will defend You if your Free Speech right gets threatened.
Don't count on the NRA showing up.
Don Homuth
<Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote:
>Don Homuth wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2005 08:33:15 -0700, Bob Tiernan
>> <zulu.pac...@shell1.pacifier.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>____________ wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot, and
>>>>anti-Faerie-stories.
>>>
>>>No, they support the right to be an idiot and a
>>>believer in Faerie stories.
>>
>>
>> For which the Right ought to be thankful.
>
>Why? So we can observe the leftists of this nation try and take another
>punch at its guts?
No -- so you still have the Free Speech right. Ferdamshur the Right
doesn't spend any effort defending it.
UffDa!
"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
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> My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
>
Like Rush Limbaugh? He was not at all unhappy when they helped him out last
year.
Signature
And anyone that trashes them hates the constitution.
Signature
Yeah, protecting people's liberties, freedoms, and first amendment rights
are just so anti-american.
Signature
> My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
Yeah?
Well choke on this!
Good luck doing anything about it!
> Religious Liberty : Religion in Schools - Press Releases View All -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyList.cfm?c=139&ContentStyle=1&num=1000
> -
> Louisiana School Board Repeatedly Defied Federal Court Order,
> Charges ACLU -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17963&c=139
> - (04/05/2005) NEW ORLEANS--The American Civil Liberties Union of
> Louisiana today filed a motion for criminal contempt against the
> Tangipahoa Parish School Board for defying an agreed on court order
> banning official prayer at athletic events. This marks the second
> contempt motion filed against the school board within the past two
> weeks for violating court orders.
>
> Maine Civil Liberties Union Urges High Court to Keep
> Government Out of Religion Business -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17831&c=139
> - (03/24/2005) PORTLAND, ME - The Maine Supreme Judicial Court heard
> arguments today in a case that will determine whether the state can be
> forced to fund religious education with taxpayer money through its
> school voucher program.
> ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution
> Disclaimers From Science Textbooks -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17456&c=139
> - (02/10/2005) LITTLE ROCK, AR--Following action by the American Civil
> Liberties Union of Arkansas, the Beebe School District today
> agreed to remove stickers it had placed in science textbooks
> undermining the validity of evolution and introducing the religious
> concept of an "intelligent designer" behind the origin of life. After
> receiving complaints about the stickers from community members, the ACLU
> wrote a letter to the superintendent of the school district
> demanding that the stickers be removed.
>
> Federal Judge Orders Georgia School District to Remove
> Evolution Disclaimers -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17312&c=139
> - (01/13/2005) ATLANTA-A federal judge today ruled that placing
> disclaimer stickers warning that evolution is "a theory, not a fact"
> in public school science textbooks is an unconstitutional government
> intrusion on religious liberty.
>
> Virginia School Board Votes to Allow Students to Sit During
> Pledge of Allegiance -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17318&c=139
> - (01/11/2005) RICHMOND, VA--Under pressure from the American Civil
> Liberties Union of Virginia -- and based on recommendations from its
> own lawyers -- the Spotsylvania County School Board last night voted
> to remove a policy requiring students to stand during recitations of
> the Pledge of Allegiance.
> Religious Liberty : Religion in Schools - Position Papers
> View All -
> http://www.aclu.org/StudentsRights/StudentsRightsList.cfm?c=139&ContentStyle=3&num=1000
> - Ask Sybil Liberty About Your Right to Religious Freedom -
> http://www.aclu.org/StudentsRights/StudentsRights.cfm?ID=9069&c=162
> - (03/31/1999) ACLU's resident expert, Sybil Liberty, answers common
> questions about students' rights from a student point of view.
>
> Religious Liberty : Religion in Schools - Legal Documents
> View All -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyList.cfm?c=139&ContentStyle=6&num=1000
> - Decision in Selman et. al v. Cobb County -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17311&c=139
> - (01/13/2005) Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area School District -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17203&c=139
> - (12/14/2004) First District Court of Appeals Ruling in Bush v. Holmes -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17031&c=140
> - (11/12/2004) ACLU Pretrial Brief in Selman et al v. Cobb County -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17051&c=139
> - (11/12/2004) ACLU brief in Shields v. Kiowa County School District No.
> RE-2
> -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=10384&c=139
> - (05/23/2002)
> Religious Liberty : Religion in Schools - Legislative
> Documents View All -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyList.cfm?c=139&ContentStyle=7&num=1000
> - Letter to the House Urging Opposition to Head Start
> Reauthorization ("School Readiness Act" - H.R. 2210) -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=12992&c=37
> - (06/23/2003) Coalition Against Religious Discrimination Letter to the
> House
> Urging Opposition to the School Readiness Act of 2003 -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=12939&c=37
> - (06/17/2003) Coalition Letter to Congress Opposing Rep. Istook's
> Religious
> Speech Constitutional Amendment -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=9268&c=139
> - (11/29/2001) Joint Statement of Current Law on Religion in the Public
> Schools -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=9007&c=139
> - (04/12/1995)
> Religious Liberty : Religion in Schools - Fact Sheets View All -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyList.cfm?c=139&ContentStyle=17&num=1000
> - Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School Board FAQ - Intelligent Design
> and Evolution -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17204&c=139
> -
Fenris
ACLU - American Civil Liberties Union
How is an organization that supports civil liberty un-American?
What is it you have against the idea of civil liberty or defending the Bill
of Rights?
Fenris
> My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
Do you have anything to support your opinion, or is this just more hot air?
Roger
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The hot air of ignorant right-wingers for decades.
Roger
Including Limbaugh, Bob Barr, Oliver North, and Larry Elder?
Dave Thompson
The problem Scatch and right wing religious fascists have with the ACLU is
simple. They're effective. Right wing christians believe that their religion
requires them to spread the word and make this a christian nation. Since
many people won't submit they want to use the government as a club to either
force unbelievers to obey or shut up and become marginalized. The
combination of the constitution, the courts, and the ACLU time and time
again stops them in their tracks. It's no coincedence that these three
groups are currently under heavy scrutiny and attack by these loonies.
Scratch
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 07:01:03 -0700, Scratch
> <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote:
>
>
>>Don Homuth wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 12 May 2005 08:33:15 -0700, Bob Tiernan
>>><zulu.pac...@shell1.pacifier.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>____________ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot, and
>>>>>anti-Faerie-stories.
>>>>
>>>>No, they support the right to be an idiot and a
>>>>believer in Faerie stories.
>>>
>>>
>>>For which the Right ought to be thankful.
>>
>>Why? So we can observe the leftists of this nation try and take another
>>punch at its guts?
>
>
> No -- so you still have the Free Speech right. Ferdamshur the Right
> doesn't spend any effort defending it.
Had free speech dumb ass long before aclu communists came along. Unless
you want o talk whizzing on the sidewalk or some such bullshit free speech.
Scratch
> On Fri, 13 May 2005 06:51:16 -0700, Scratch
> <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote:
>
>
>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
>
>
> Yeah well, that don't account for squat.
Am I suppose to give a rats as what you think counts or doesn't count in
my life?
>
> The ACLU will defend You if your Free Speech right gets threatened.
I don't need, I didn't ask for the aclu's help in my defense of anything.
Scratch
Let me ask you something butt head. If I agree with you on one of your
points does that automatically make me a leftist? A communist? A
socialist? Or on the other hand if the aclu agrees with me on a point
does that mean I endorse the aclu? Think about it!
Scratch
I don't hate the constitution and I don't need a socialist to tell me
other wise and the aclu is a piece of shit communist party. If you and
your little leftists butties want to like their potty area, go for it
but don't include me.
Scratch
Oh you damn rights. Lots and lots and lots of stuff on the aclu. Maybe
you should read some it before appearing as not the brightest bubble in
the bathtub.
Scratch
This is only one of many, many stories about that piece of dog shit
organization. Took me all of one minute to find it. You want to know
more about them, do your own research. But I doubt as one of the aclu's
minions you will even read this one story.
ACLU fulfilling communist agenda
Posted: December 3, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern
© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
Every day, the headlines scream with some new threat from the American
Civil Liberties Union. I believe it's important to look behind the
curtain and discover the origins of groups and organizations to better
understand their activities.
The ACLU was founded in the 1920s by Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman,
described as a "progressive" and "the perfect feminist."
Earl Browder was general secretary of the Communist Party of the United
States from 1930 through its dissolution in 1944. When the party was
reconstituted as the Communist Political Association later that year,
Browder was chosen as its president. Browder proudly proclaimed that the
ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party. To deny the
ACLU's founding was attached at the hip to communist organizations is to
deny what can easily be proven as truth.
For the past few decades, the ACLU has been on a major crusade to
destroy Christianity in America, promote filth under "freedom of speech
and expression," and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture
of death. On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla.,
read a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record. Below
are the communist goals being implemented by the ACLU in their quest to
destroy America's culture and traditions:
* Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American
institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
* Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for
socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get
control of teachers associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
* Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all form of
artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate
all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless,
awkward and meaningless forms.
* Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to
promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
* Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them
"censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
* Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting
pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio
and television.
* Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal,
natural and healthy."
* Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with
"social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for
intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch."
* Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the
schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of
church and state."
* Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the
teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part
of "the big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the
communists took over. Obliterating the American past, with its
antecedents in principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a
major goal of the communists then and now.
* Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over
any part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs,
mental health clinics, etc.
* Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and
easy divorce.
Anyone who has been following the destructive path of the ACLU can
easily see how effective these communist goals have been implemented to
"promote democracy" and protect your "civil rights." Lenin stated:
"Communism alone is capable of providing really complete democracy."
(See Tucker, "The Lenin Anthology"). James Madison, known as the "Father
of the Constitution" had something different to say about a democracy:
Democracy is the most vile form of government ... democracies have
ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been found
incompatible with personal security or the rights of property, and have
in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in
their deaths.
Perhaps it's time to recognize the ACLU as the American Communist
Lawyers Union instead of their disingenuous "civil rights" stage name.
No organization can exist without memberships and funding. It is
inconceivable to me how anyone who claims to be a Christian, lawyer or
layman, could belong to such an anti-American organization as the ACLU.
Burn your card and get out. Organizations like Working Assets, tobacco
companies and big corporations all donate to the ACLU, which in turn
uses that money to buy the favors of those who serve in Congress – who
vote to unconstitutionally fund the activities of the ACLU under the
Civil Rights Attorney's Fees Awards Act of 1976.
If Americans really want to put the ACLU out of business, remove
yourself as a member of their organization, boycott companies that
donate to them and demand these public servants in Congress repeal the
unconstitutional funding of this subversive organization.
There is no justification under Art. 1, Sec. 8, to steal from the
people's treasury to give money to the ACLU or any other organization
for "civil rights" lawsuits. Your Congress critter will be in your
district during the month of December – make the most of it.
Scratch
Do your own damn research if you really want to know. There is a ton of
it or go to Barnes and Noble. I'm sure they will have a book or two.
Dave Thompson
"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
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> Signature wrote:
>> "Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
>> news:XOadnQ1EUvB...@comcast.com...
>>
>>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
>>
>>
>> And anyone that trashes them hates the constitution.
>
>
> I don't hate the constitution
Yes you do. And you hate other people's free speech.
and I don't need a socialist to tell me
> other wise
Yes you do.
> and the aclu is a piece of shit communist party.
And you are an idiot.
If you and
> your little leftists butties want to like their potty area, go for it but
> don't include me.
Better than letting shits like you piss where they want.
Scratch
> "Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
> news:XOadnQ1EUvB...@comcast.com...
>
>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
>
>
> Including Limbaugh, Bob Barr, Oliver North, and Larry Elder?
I don't care if George Bush and Ronald Regan supported it. It's roots
plain and simple are communist. Dogpile is your friend. Use it.
Dave Thompson
Yeah, you're the guy that thinks the ACLU makes the law.
Some credibility you have you fucking conservative dumbshit.
And guess what, atheism and communism are legal.
Don't like it, try doing something about it. I dare you.
Scratch
You either have researched that anti-American group or, you don't care!
Scratch
Like I said
>>Only the Anti-Americans support it.
You either have not researched the group, or you don't care.
Dave Thompson
I know about right wing fascists like yourself. You post enough that your
agenda is transparent.
Your hatred towards the judiciary is obvious. You can't turn it by politics
so you wish to destroy an entire branch of government so you can force this
country into a religious agenda. There is nothing more anti-american than
that. You'd feel more at home with the communists.
Mitchell Holman
p...@comcast.com:
>
>
> I don't need, I didn't ask for the aclu's help in my defense of anything.
That's what Ollie North and Rush used to think...........
Fenris
You still haven't answered the question, Screech. What do you have against
civil liberty or the Bill of Rights. It seems to me that the ACLU is
defending the average person against the power of the government. They also
defend people whose opinions are not very popular with the general public,
like Rush Limbaugh , NAMBLA or the KKK. What is wrong with that?
Roger
I was a member.
Why don't you ask Limbaugh, North, Bob Barr, and Larry Elder what they
think.
They ether support or benefited from their help.
Ask them. You won't believe me no matter what I say.
Will you believe them when they completely overturn every one of your
unfounded FEELINGS?
Roger
Hot air.
Lots of it.
No evidence.
None of it.
Roger
> Roger wrote:
>> "Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
>> news:XOadnQ1EUvB...@comcast.com...
>>
>>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
>>
>>
>> Including Limbaugh, Bob Barr, Oliver North, and Larry Elder?
>
> I don't care if George Bush and Ronald Regan supported it. It's roots
> plain and simple are communist. Dogpile is your friend. Use it.
You must have grown up in the 50s, when communist meant something.
Or was said to. Didn't then, doesn't now.
Get another scapegoat.
Fenris
I thought about deleting this crap, but didn't want to be accused of
censorship. It's hard to believe that there is still a lunatic fringe out
there worried about communists hiding under the bed.
Get a clue, Screech. Communism is dead. The only people who still believe
in it are disconnected dilletantes, like Sanders or Baxter. Communism is a
joke. It has no power here and even the communist countries are abandoning
it.
Your source is a lunatic rightwing fringe rag. I hope you don't expect
anyone to take the World Net Daily seriously.
Scratch
I don't answer your straw man bullshit.
> It seems to me that the ACLU is
> defending the average person against the power of the government.
Only in so far as it supports their original agenda. Communism.
> They also
> defend people whose opinions are not very popular with the general public,
> like Rush Limbaugh , NAMBLA or the KKK. What is wrong with that?
Like I said before if they agree with what I say on a subject would you
also believe in turn I support them? If so you are deluded!
They are anti-American. Dogpile is your friend. Look them up. If you
really want to know what and who the aclu is do the homework but don't
expect me to do it for you. There is a ton of stuff out there on their
roots and what their direction is. It has never changed.
Scratch
> "Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Roger wrote:
>>
>>>"Fenris" <ho...@themoon.com> wrote in message
>>>news:Qq9he.14936$887....@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
>>>>
>>>>Do you have anything to support your opinion, or is this just more hot
>>>>air?
>>>
>>>
>>>The hot air of ignorant right-wingers for decades.
>>
>>
>>You either have researched that anti-American group or, you don't care!
>
>
> I was a member.
We all have a past. I wouldn't brag.
>
> Why don't you ask Limbaugh, North, Bob Barr, and Larry Elder what they
> think.
>
> They ether support or benefited from their help.
>
> Ask them. You won't believe me no matter what I say.
>
> Will you believe them when they completely overturn every one of your
> unfounded FEELINGS?
If Regan were proven to have supported them I still would not. They are
anti anything American. Do the research. If I did it for you you would
spin it.
Scratch
> "Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Fenris wrote:
>>
>>>"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
>>>news:XOadnQ1EUvB...@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
>>>
>>>
>>>Do you have anything to support your opinion, or is this just more hot
>>>air?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>Do your own damn research if you really want to know. There is a ton of it
>>or go to Barnes and Noble. I'm sure they will have a book or two.
>
>
> Hot air.
>
> Lots of it.
>
> No evidence.
>
> None of it.
>
>
In other words, you refuse to believe they are Anti American unless
someone does the work for you. Screw you, you want the truth do the work
or continue to be one of their UI's
Scratch
> "Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Roger wrote:
>>
>>>"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
>>>news:XOadnQ1EUvB...@comcast.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
>>>
>>>
>>>Including Limbaugh, Bob Barr, Oliver North, and Larry Elder?
>>
>>I don't care if George Bush and Ronald Regan supported it. It's roots
>>plain and simple are communist. Dogpile is your friend. Use it.
>
>
> You must have grown up in the 50s, when communist meant something.
>
> Or was said to. Didn't then, doesn't now.
>
> Get another scapegoat.
Don't need a scapegoat. Truth works just fine. You should try it. Oops!
My bad sorry.
Roger
You disingenuous little baby. Pick a dead guy.
Worthless.
You make claims, you back it up. Or be proven to be a pussy.
Roger
You saying they're "anti American" isn't reason enough for anyone.
Back it up or take it back. Or be a pussy.
Scratch
This here is a perfect example of why I won't do your research. You want
to spin or discredit anything that proves to you that the piece of shit
organization known as the aclu is Anti anything American.
Roger
You don't know what scapegoat means.
Scratch
Fine lets take a live guy. Again, if Rush, if Sean, If Lars if who ever
you want to fill the blank in with said they support the aclu I would
not. They are anti American and their roots are communist.
>
> You make claims, you back it up. Or be proven to be a pussy.
I will not to your homework no matter how much you whine. I'm use to
listening to the whining of the left. Does nothing for me any longer. If
you really want to know the truth do your own research. If you want to
be one of their UI's then go for it. Makes no difference to me. Anyone
that supports them is Anti-American in my opinion!
Scratch
There is no need to back up the truth. They are Anti-American and have
Communist roots.
Roger
Pussy it is.
Pussy.
Roger
Scratch
Earl Browder was general secretary of the Communist Party of the United
States from 1930 through its dissolution in 1944. When the party was
reconstituted as the Communist Political Association later that year,
Browder was chosen as its president. Browder proudly proclaimed that the
ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party. To deny the
ACLU's founding was attached at the hip to communist organizations is to
deny what can easily be proven as truth.
Perhaps it's time to recognize the ACLU as the American Communist
Lawyers Union instead of their disingenuous "civil rights" stage name.
Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35 January 10, 1963 Current
Communist Goals EXTENSION OF REMARKS OF HON. A. S. HERLONG, JR. OF
FLORIDA IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES Thursday, January 10, 1963 Mr.
HERLONG. Mr. Speaker, Mrs. Patricia Nordman of De Land, Fla., is an
ardent and articulate opponent of communism, and until recently
published the De Land Courier, which she dedicated to the purpose of
alerting the public to the dangers of communism in America. At Mrs.
Nordman's request, I include in the RECORD, under unanimous consent, the
following "Current Communist Goals," which she identifies as an excerpt
from "The Naked Communist," by Cleon Skousen: [From "The Naked
Communist," by Cleon Skousen]
CURRENT COMMUNIST GOALS
1. U.S. acceptance of coexistence as the only alternative to atomic war.
2. U.S. willingness to capitulate in preference to engaging in
atomic war.
3. Develop the illusion that total disarmament [by] the United
States would be a demonstration of moral strength.
4. Permit free trade between all nations regardless of Communist
affiliation and regardless of whether or not items could be used for war.
5. Extension of long-term loans to Russia and Soviet satellites.
6. Provide American aid to all nations regardless of Communist
domination.
7. Grant recognition of Red China. Admission of Red China to the U.N.
8. Set up East and West Germany as separate states in spite of
Khrushchev's promise in 1955 to settle the German question by free
elections under supervision of the U.N.
9. Prolong the conferences to ban atomic tests because the United
States has agreed to suspend tests as long as negotiations are in progress.
10. Allow all Soviet satellites individual representation in the U.N.
11. Promote the U.N. as the only hope for mankind. If its charter is
rewritten, demand that it be set up as a one-world government with its
own independent armed forces. (Some Communist leaders believe the world
can be taken over as easily by the U.N. as by Moscow. Sometimes these
two centers compete with each other as they are now doing in the Congo.)
12. Resist any attempt to outlaw the Communist Party.
13. Do away with all loyalty oaths.
14. Continue giving Russia access to the U.S. Patent Office.
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.
16. Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American
institutions by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for
socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get
control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.
18. Gain control of all student newspapers.
19. Use student riots to foment public protests against programs or
organizations which are under Communist attack.
20. Infiltrate the press. Get control of book-review assignments,
editorial writing, policymaking positions.
21. Gain control of key positions in radio, TV, and motion pictures.
22. Continue discrediting American culture by degrading all forms of
artistic expression. An American Communist cell was told to "eliminate
all good sculpture from parks and buildings, substitute shapeless,
awkward and meaningless forms."
23. Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to
promote ugliness, repulsive, meaningless art."
24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them
"censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.
25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting
pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio,
and TV.
26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal,
natural, healthy."
27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with
"social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for
intellectual maturity which does not need a "religious crutch."
28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the
schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of
church and state."
29. Discredit the American Constitution by calling it inadequate,
old-fashioned, out of step with modern needs, a hindrance to cooperation
between nations on a worldwide basis.
30. Discredit the American Founding Fathers. Present them as selfish
aristocrats who had no concern for the "common man."
31. Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the
teaching of American history on the ground that it was only a minor part
of the "big picture." Give more emphasis to Russian history since the
Communists took over.
32. Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over
any part of the culture-- education, social agencies, welfare programs,
mental health clinics, etc.
33. Eliminate all laws or procedures which interfere with the
operation of the Communist apparatus.
34. Eliminate the House Committee on Un-American Activities.
35. Discredit and eventually dismantle the FBI.
36. Infiltrate and gain control of more unions.
37. Infiltrate and gain control of big business.
38. Transfer some of the powers of arrest from the police to social
agencies. Treat all behavioral problems as psychiatric disorders which
no one but psychiatrists can understand [or treat].
39. Dominate the psychiatric profession and use mental health laws as
a means of gaining coercive control over those who oppose Communist goals.
40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and
easy divorce.
41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative
influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding
of children to suppressive influence of parents.
42. Create the impression that violence and insurrection are
legitimate aspects of the American tradition; that students and
special-interest groups should rise up and use ["]united force["] to
solve economic, political or social problems.
43. Overthrow all colonial governments before native populations are
ready for self-government.
44. Internationalize the Panama Canal.
45. Repeal the Connally reservation so the United States cannot
prevent the World Court from seizing jurisdiction [over domestic
problems. Give the World Court jurisdiction] over nations and
individuals alike.
Scratch
> "Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
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>
>>Roger wrote:
>>
>>>"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>
>>>>Roger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Fenris" <ho...@themoon.com> wrote in message
>>>>>news:Qq9he.14936$887....@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:XOadnQ1EUvB...@comcast.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American
>>>>>>>Period!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do you have anything to support your opinion, or is this just more hot
>>>>>>air?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The hot air of ignorant right-wingers for decades.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You either have researched that anti-American group or, you don't care!
>>>
>>>
>>>I was a member.
Here’s why the ACLU is the American Communist Lawyers Union. Some of the
ACLU’s founders were…
Roger Baldwin, the first director of the ACLU, was a communist. He
explains in his book, Liberty Under the Soviets, “I joined. I don’t
regret being a part of the Communist tactic, which increased the
effectiveness of a good cause. I knew what I was doing. I was not an
innocent liberal. I wanted what the Communists wanted…”
William Z. Foster, then National Chairman of the Communist Party USA and
an ACLU co-founder, is famous for this 1932 quote: “The establishment of
an American Soviet government will involve the confiscation of large
landed estates in town and country, and also, the whole body to forests,
mineral deposits, lakes, rivers and so on.” He was the author of Toward
Soviet America.
Another co-founder was Harold J. Laski, renowned English socialist and
political scientist. Among his writings is the Communist Manifesto of
Marx and Engels: with the original text and prefaces.
Rev. Harry Ward, the “Red Dean” of the Union Theological Seminary in New
York City was Chairman of the ACLU in 1920. In 1908, he was the founder
of the oldest, officially-cited Communist-front group in America, the
Methodist Federation for Social Action. A year later, he played a part
in organizing the Federal Council of Churches, forerunner of the present
day, National Council of Churches.
A. J. Muste held a degree from Union Theological Seminary. When war
broke out in Europe, he became a pacifist, inspired by the Christian
mysticism of the Quakers, and started working with the fledging American
Civil Liberties Union in Boston. In 1929 Muste helped form the
Conference for Progressive Labor Action (CPLA), seeking to reform the AF
of L from within. When the Depression broke like a storm over America,
the CPLA became openly revolutionary and was instrumental in forming the
American Workers Party in 1933–a “democratically organized revolutionary
party” in which A.J. played the leading role.
Scott Nearing, whose left-wing politics first drove him into, and then
forced him to leave, the Socialist and Communist parties, was an early
ACLU leader. He ran for Congress on the Socialist Party ticket in 1918
against incumbent Fiorello LaGuardia. He was soundly defeated because of
his anti-capitalist, pro-socialist, anti-war positions.
Eugene V. Debs, who founded the Socialist Party of America, was a five
time Socialist Candidate for the presidency. Debs, the only candidate to
run for U.S. President from prison, was an ACLU activist.
John Dewey, radical philosopher and early ACLU activist was interested
mainly in education. He asserted that “democracy has always been allied
with humanism, with faith in the potentials of human nature” and that
“democracy means the belief that humanistic culture should prevail.”
Elizabeth Gurley Flynn, another early ACLU leader, was born into an
active socialist family. Her father was an organizer for the Industrial
Workers of the World (IWW), and she joined that organization at age 16.
Flynn joined the Communist Party in 1936, and she was active in the CP
for the rest of her life. She went to the USSR in 1964 to represent the
CPUSA at an International Party Congress. She became ill, died in the
Soviet Union, and was honored with a state funeral in Red Square.
Louis F. Batons was another prominent leader of the Communist Party and
an ACLU activist.
Jane Addams, another ACLU co-founder, was a pacifist and an advocate of
internationalism. She participated in the International Congress of
Women at the Hague in 1915 and maintained her pacifist stance after the
United States entered the war in 1917, working through the Women’s Peace
Party, which became the Women’s International League for Peace and
Freedom in 1919. She was the WILPF’s first president.
Norman Thomas was a leading American socialist, pacifist, and six-time
presidential candidate for the Socialist Party. He was a co-founder of
the ACLU, and became a socialist while attending Union Theological Seminary.
See this: Decades of Shame: A Short History of the ACLU
There is no question that the ACLU’s history is not that of
freedom-loving Americans, but of people who are carefully using our own
founding documents to take away our freedom.
The ACLU’s holy war against the Boy Scouts, the LA County Official Seal
(containing a tiny Cross), holidays like Thanksgiving and Christmas —
and even the Constitution itself — has unmasked the ACLU as a tyrant
less interested in civil rights than imposing judicial restraints that
amount to suppression of majority rights by a tiny minority.
Under the guise of ‘protecting American civil rights’, The ACLU has sued to;
- Halt the singing of Christmas Carols in public facilities.
- Deny tax -exempt status for Churches.
- Remove all military chaplains.
- Remove all Christian symbols from public property.
- Prohibit Bible reading in classrooms even during free time.
- Remove In God We Trust from our coins.
- Remove God from the Pledge of Allegiance
- Deny federal funding for Boy Scouts until they admit gays and atheists.
Roger
> Roger wrote:
>> "Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
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>>
>>>Roger wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Roger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Fenris" <ho...@themoon.com> wrote in message
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:XOadnQ1EUvB...@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American
>>>>>>>>Period!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you have anything to support your opinion, or is this just more
>>>>>>>hot air?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The hot air of ignorant right-wingers for decades.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You either have researched that anti-American group or, you don't care!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I was a member.
>
>
> Here’s why the ACLU is the American Communist Lawyers Union. Some of the
> ACLU’s founders were…
And?
The COUNTRY was founded by theists and liberals.
Roger
What are you going to do, sick the committee on me? Make me name names?
Grow up and join the current millennia.
"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
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Don Homuth
<Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote:
>Don Homuth wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 May 2005 07:01:03 -0700, Scratch
>> <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Don Homuth wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 12 May 2005 08:33:15 -0700, Bob Tiernan
>>>><zulu.pac...@shell1.pacifier.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>____________ wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot, and
>>>>>>anti-Faerie-stories.
>>>>>
>>>>>No, they support the right to be an idiot and a
>>>>>believer in Faerie stories.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>For which the Right ought to be thankful.
>>>
>>>Why? So we can observe the leftists of this nation try and take another
>>>punch at its guts?
>>
>>
>> No -- so you still have the Free Speech right. Ferdamshur the Right
>> doesn't spend any effort defending it.
>
>Had free speech dumb ass long before aclu communists came along. Unless
>you want o talk whizzing on the sidewalk or some such bullshit free speech.
Read your history, child. It'll do you good.
--
Brother Flaming Scimitar of Vengeful Reflection
Servant of the Unitarian Jihad
Don Homuth
<Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote:
>Don Homuth wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 May 2005 06:51:16 -0700, Scratch
>> <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American Period!
>>
>>
>> Yeah well, that don't account for squat.
>
>Am I suppose to give a rats as what you think counts or doesn't count in
>my life?
Nope. No more than I care what you call others, on any given day.
>> The ACLU will defend You if your Free Speech right gets threatened.
>
>I don't need, I didn't ask for the aclu's help in my defense of anything.
But a couple of your heeroes did.
Scratch
Already have don't need to read history if it has been more history
changed by socialists.
Dave Thompson
> Roger wrote:
>> "Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
>> news:Luedna08z6l...@comcast.com...
>>
>>>Roger wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:q9CdnYXfkde...@comcast.com...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Roger wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Fenris" <ho...@themoon.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:Qq9he.14936$887....@tornado.socal.rr.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>news:XOadnQ1EUvB...@comcast.com...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American
>>>>>>>>Period!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you have anything to support your opinion, or is this just more
>>>>>>>hot air?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The hot air of ignorant right-wingers for decades.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You either have researched that anti-American group or, you don't care!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I was a member.
>
>
> Here’s why the ACLU is the American Communist Lawyers Union. Some of the
> ACLU’s founders were…
I get it. Put socialist or communist in front of people's names often enough
and see if it sticks. Just name calling and guilt by association. I
particularly like it that "pacifist" is bandied about as an insult in this
article. Oh horrors, they are against war!
The communist and socialist parties are legal in this country. Socialism is
also part of our economic system and helps keep this country afloat when it
is needed.
I notice that when someone points out that a conservative has been
associated with a racist, authoritarian, or theocratic group with
anti-american agendas you piss all over yourself to defend them. We know
that you are the kind of filth that really hurts our constitution and
country, not the ACLU who has defended it against government exploitation.
> There is no question that the ACLU’s history is not that of freedom-loving
> Americans, but of people who are carefully using our own founding
> documents to take away our freedom.
Particularly dishonest remark. Reading the list found below, it's obvious
that what they mean by freedom is the freedom to use the government to
impose their religious beliefs on others (in other words, they are against
actual religious freedom for anyone).
Note that not one is about restricting private religious practice, and I'll
give you a buck for every case you can find where the ACLU supported the
restriction of religious freedom that didn't involve the government or
government officials in some way.
The fact is that they are lying about what is being restricted here. No
one's religious freedoms are being restricted.
>
> The ACLU’s holy war against the Boy Scouts, the LA County Official Seal
> (containing a tiny Cross), holidays like Thanksgiving and Christmas — and
> even the Constitution itself — has unmasked the ACLU as a tyrant less
> interested in civil rights than imposing judicial restraints that amount
> to suppression of majority rights by a tiny minority.
>
> Under the guise of ‘protecting American civil rights’, The ACLU has sued
> to;
>
> - Halt the singing of Christmas Carols in public facilities.
>
> - Deny tax -exempt status for Churches.
>
> - Remove all military chaplains.
>
> - Remove all Christian symbols from public property.
>
> - Prohibit Bible reading in classrooms even during free time.
>
> - Remove In God We Trust from our coins.
>
> - Remove God from the Pledge of Allegiance
>
> - Deny federal funding for Boy Scouts until they admit gays and atheists.
And you need to have the government to support your religious beliefs why?
A freedom loving small government american wouldn't be for the government
doing any of these things.
Dave Thompson
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1963 current communist goals?
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
What a fucking idiot. You have nothing but pre communist break up cold war
remarks from a congresscritter? This is what you base your remarks?
Dave Thompson
Here's some of the research you asked about.
> Religious Liberty : Religion in Schools - Press Releases View All -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyList.cfm?c=139&ContentStyle=1&num=1000
> -
> Louisiana School Board Repeatedly Defied Federal Court Order,
> Charges ACLU -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17963&c=139
> - (04/05/2005) NEW ORLEANS--The American Civil Liberties Union of
> Louisiana today filed a motion for criminal contempt against the
> Tangipahoa Parish School Board for defying an agreed on court order
> banning official prayer at athletic events. This marks the second
> contempt motion filed against the school board within the past two
> weeks for violating court orders.
>
> Maine Civil Liberties Union Urges High Court to Keep
> Government Out of Religion Business -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17831&c=139
> - (03/24/2005) PORTLAND, ME - The Maine Supreme Judicial Court heard
> arguments today in a case that will determine whether the state can be
> forced to fund religious education with taxpayer money through its
> school voucher program.
> ACLU of Arkansas Action Results in Removal of Evolution
> Disclaimers From Science Textbooks -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17456&c=139
> - (02/10/2005) LITTLE ROCK, AR--Following action by the American Civil
> Liberties Union of Arkansas, the Beebe School District today
> agreed to remove stickers it had placed in science textbooks
> undermining the validity of evolution and introducing the religious
> concept of an "intelligent designer" behind the origin of life. After
> receiving complaints about the stickers from community members, the ACLU
> wrote a letter to the superintendent of the school district
> demanding that the stickers be removed.
>
> Federal Judge Orders Georgia School District to Remove
> Evolution Disclaimers -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17312&c=139
> - (01/13/2005) ATLANTA-A federal judge today ruled that placing
> disclaimer stickers warning that evolution is "a theory, not a fact"
> in public school science textbooks is an unconstitutional government
> intrusion on religious liberty.
>
> Virginia School Board Votes to Allow Students to Sit During
> Pledge of Allegiance -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17318&c=139
> - (01/11/2005) RICHMOND, VA--Under pressure from the American Civil
> Liberties Union of Virginia -- and based on recommendations from its
> own lawyers -- the Spotsylvania County School Board last night voted
> to remove a policy requiring students to stand during recitations of
> the Pledge of Allegiance.
> Religious Liberty : Religion in Schools - Position Papers
> View All -
> http://www.aclu.org/StudentsRights/StudentsRightsList.cfm?c=139&ContentStyle=3&num=1000
> - Ask Sybil Liberty About Your Right to Religious Freedom -
> http://www.aclu.org/StudentsRights/StudentsRights.cfm?ID=9069&c=162
> - (03/31/1999) ACLU's resident expert, Sybil Liberty, answers common
> questions about students' rights from a student point of view.
>
> Religious Liberty : Religion in Schools - Legal Documents
> View All -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyList.cfm?c=139&ContentStyle=6&num=1000
> - Decision in Selman et. al v. Cobb County -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17311&c=139
> - (01/13/2005) Kitzmiller et al. v. Dover Area School District -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17203&c=139
> - (12/14/2004) First District Court of Appeals Ruling in Bush v. Holmes -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17031&c=140
> - (11/12/2004) ACLU Pretrial Brief in Selman et al v. Cobb County -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17051&c=139
> - (11/12/2004) ACLU brief in Shields v. Kiowa County School District No.
> RE-2
> -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=10384&c=139
> - (05/23/2002)
> Religious Liberty : Religion in Schools - Legislative
> Documents View All -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyList.cfm?c=139&ContentStyle=7&num=1000
> - Letter to the House Urging Opposition to Head Start
> Reauthorization ("School Readiness Act" - H.R. 2210) -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=12992&c=37
> - (06/23/2003) Coalition Against Religious Discrimination Letter to the
> House
> Urging Opposition to the School Readiness Act of 2003 -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=12939&c=37
> - (06/17/2003) Coalition Letter to Congress Opposing Rep. Istook's
> Religious
> Speech Constitutional Amendment -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=9268&c=139
> - (11/29/2001) Joint Statement of Current Law on Religion in the Public
> Schools -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=9007&c=139
> - (04/12/1995)
> Religious Liberty : Religion in Schools - Fact Sheets View All -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLibertyList.cfm?c=139&ContentStyle=17&num=1000
> - Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School Board FAQ - Intelligent Design
> and Evolution -
> http://www.aclu.org/ReligiousLiberty/ReligiousLiberty.cfm?ID=17204&c=139
> -
Dave Thompson
Here you go. Choke on it.
Dave Thompson
Here's your homework.
Renee Dauven
John Bolton. "Just get a member to go upstairs and look at his FBI file..."
Renee L. Dauven
Bob Tiernan
> The COUNTRY was founded by theists and liberals.
Those liberals were real liberals and bore no relation or
similarity to those who started using the term for themselves
back in the 1930s or so. There are still *liberals* today,
i.e. people who embrace a philosophy based on the rights of
the individual, but they are called other things by the new
"liberals".
Bob T
WinGuru
"Renee Dauven" <pro...@web-ster.com> wrote in message
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> No it isn't. Just listen to Harry Reid Thurs. afternoon talking about
> John Bolton. "Just get a member to go upstairs and look at his FBI
> file..."
>
What are you blathering about? First, you've got the quote wrong. Second,
the quote was in reference to someone that shrub wants to give a lifetime
appointment to - not Bolton. Third, as part of the vetting process, and in
response to explicit permission from the person SEEKING THE APPOINTMENT, the
FBI does prepare a confidential report that is only available to the
senators concerning that person.
Renee Dauven
> "alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:FqSge.207248$cg1....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>
>>"____________" <__@___.net> wrote in message
>>news:JjKge.73241$r53.7173@attbi_s21...
>>
>>>ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot... <snippage>
>>>
>>Someone should tell them that it isn't against the law to be an idiot,
>>especially if it's the ACLU or elitist Leftwing Liberals doing the usual
>>name-calling. KM
>
>
> Unless the ACLU is defending Limbaugh, Elder, or North.
>
> Then they're doing god's work.
No, then they are doing "PR"...Just enough so that idiots will later
use it as "proof" of their fairhandedness. In actuality, it is like
weighing a single feather against a chunk of concrete.
Renee L. Dauven
Roger
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That's EXACTLY what liberals today are.
The civil rights movement. Abortion. Free speech. War as a last resort.
All "modern"/classical liberal views. All "based on the rights of the
individual."
Roger
Wishful thinking.
Got any proof?
Fenris
News Flash for Screech! There are no Communists hiding under your bed
waiting to take over the world. The communist party in America is a joke.
Only the demented still think they have anything to offer. This is the 21st
century now. Communism is a thing of the past, even in the so-called
communist countries.
I admit that the ACLU does have a liberal agenda. For some reason, civil
rights and freedom of speech are now seen as liberal issues. I ask you
again, what do you have against freee speech?
I also realize that the religious right wing fanatics are hell-bent on
inserting religion into government. Bush & Co have convinced them that they
have a chance to accomplish this. They would like to see an American
Christian version of the Taliban where the government dictates what is
acceptable behaviour is all instances. Unfortunately, for them, the ACLU,
and others like them, are doing everything they can to prevent this from
happening. I agree with them 100%. Religion has no place in government.
I know you identify with the religious right wing wackos and are probably
angry because the ACLU is preventing you and others like you from acheiving
your American Taliban. Well, too fucking bad. Waahh, waahh, Waahh. Now
that I think about it, I may send a contribution to the ACLU. The work they
are doing in thwarting fundy wackos like you is very important to the future
of America.
Fenris
"Dave Thompson" <nos...@nospam.org> wrote in message
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Yeah, well this is the stuff that bothers him. They are preventing the
fundies from taking over the country.
Fenris
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>clw wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>In article <JjKge.73241$r53.7173@attbi_s21>,
>>>>>>"____________" <__@___.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot, and
>>>>>>>anti-Faerie-stories.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Do not get too upset over Hula-Twit's lack of insight. Like too many
>>>>>>people, he has absolutely no idea of how the ACLU functions, much less
>>>>>>its basic philosophy. All he knows is that Hannity and Limbaugh are
>>>>>>anti-ACLU, so that must be gods own position.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Anyone that doesn't have to spiders for a brain knows how the ACLU got
>>>>>started and what a p.o.s. organization it is. Only the Anti-Americans
>>>>>support it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>ACLU - American Civil Liberties Union
>>>>
>>>>How is an organization that supports civil liberty un-American?
>>>>What is it you have against the idea of civil liberty or defending the
>>>>Bill of Rights?
>>>
>>>
>>>organization. Took me all of one minute to find it. You want to know
>>>more about them, do your own research. But I doubt as one of the aclu's
>>>minions you will even read this one story.
>>>
>>>ACLU fulfilling communist agenda
>>>Posted: December 3, 2004
>>>1:00 a.m. Eastern
>>>
>>>© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com
>>>
>>>Every day, the headlines scream with some new threat from the American
>>>Civil Liberties Union. I believe it's important to look behind the
>>>curtain and discover the origins of groups and organizations to better
>>>understand their activities.
>>>
>>>The ACLU was founded in the 1920s by Roger Baldwin and Crystal Eastman,
>>>described as a "progressive" and "the perfect feminist."
>>>
>>>Earl Browder was general secretary of the Communist Party of the United
>>>States from 1930 through its dissolution in 1944. When the party was
>>>reconstituted as the Communist Political Association later that year,
>>>Browder was chosen as its president. Browder proudly proclaimed that the
>>>ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party. To deny the
>>>ACLU's founding was attached at the hip to communist organizations is to
>>>deny what can easily be proven as truth.
>>>
>>>Christianity in America, promote filth under "freedom of speech and
>>>expression," and of course, vigorously defend the homosexual culture of
>>>death. On Jan. 10, 1963, Congressman Albert S. Herlong Jr., D-Fla., read
>>>a list of 45 communist goals into the Congressional Record. Below are the
>>>communist goals being implemented by the ACLU in their quest to destroy
>>>America's culture and traditions:
>>>
>>> * Use technical decisions of the courts to weaken basic American
>>> institutions, by claiming their activities violate civil rights.
>>>
>>> * Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for
>>> socialism and current communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get
>>>
>>> artistic expression. An American communist cell was told to "eliminate
>>> all good sculpture from parks and buildings," substituting shapeless,
>>> awkward and meaningless forms.
>>>
>>> * Control art critics and directors of art museums. "Our plan is to
>>>
>>>
>>> and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio and
>>> television.
>>>
>>> * Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal,
>>> natural and healthy."
>>>
>>> * Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social"
>>>
>>> * Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the
>>> schools on the grounds that it violates the principle of "separation of
>>> church and state."
>>>
>>> * Belittle all forms of American culture and discourage the teaching
>>> took over. Obliterating the American past, with its antecedents in
>>> principles of freedom, liberty and private ownership is a major goal of
>>> the communists then and now.
>>>
>>> * Support any socialist movement to give centralized control over any
>>> part of the culture – education, social agencies, welfare programs,
>>> mental health clinics, etc.
>>>
>>> * Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and
>>> easy divorce.
>>>
>>>Anyone who has been following the destructive path of the ACLU can easily
>>>see how effective these communist goals have been implemented to "promote
>>>democracy" and protect your "civil rights." Lenin stated: "Communism
>>>alone is capable of providing really complete democracy." (See Tucker,
>>>"The Lenin Anthology"). James Madison, known as the "Father of the
>>>Constitution" had something different to say about a democracy:
>>>
>>> Democracy is the most vile form of government ... democracies have
>>> ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention, have ever been found
>>> incompatible with personal security or the rights of property, and have
>>> in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in
>>> their deaths.
>>>
>>>Perhaps it's time to recognize the ACLU as the American Communist Lawyers
>>>Union instead of their disingenuous "civil rights" stage name.
>>>
>>>inconceivable to me how anyone who claims to be a Christian, lawyer or
>>>layman, could belong to such an anti-American organization as the ACLU.
>>>Burn your card and get out. Organizations like Working Assets, tobacco
>>>companies and big corporations all donate to the ACLU, which in turn uses
>>>that money to buy the favors of those who serve in Congress – who vote to
>>>unconstitutionally fund the activities of the ACLU under the Civil Rights
>>>Attorney's Fees Awards Act of 1976.
>>>
>>>If Americans really want to put the ACLU out of business, remove yourself
>>>as a member of their organization, boycott companies that donate to them
>>>and demand these public servants in Congress repeal the unconstitutional
>>>funding of this subversive organization.
>>>
>>>There is no justification under Art. 1, Sec. 8, to steal from the
>>>people's treasury to give money to the ACLU or any other organization for
>>>"civil rights" lawsuits. Your Congress critter will be in your district
>>>during the month of December – make the most of it.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I thought about deleting this crap, but didn't want to be accused of
>> censorship. It's hard to believe that there is still a lunatic fringe
>> out there worried about communists hiding under the bed.
>>
>> Get a clue, Screech. Communism is dead. The only people who still
>> believe in it are disconnected dilletantes, like Sanders or Baxter.
>> Communism is a joke. It has no power here and even the communist
>> countries are abandoning it.
>>
>> Your source is a lunatic rightwing fringe rag. I hope you don't expect
>> anyone to take the World Net Daily seriously.
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> This here is a perfect example of why I won't do your research. You want
> to spin or discredit anything that proves to you that the piece of shit
> organization known as the aclu is Anti anything American.
It is obvious where you get your misguided opinions from, you read too many
of these right wing propaganda sites. They, and you, seem to think the Cold
War is still going on. News Flash! Reagan Defeats Communism! Its all
over, but the crying. Communism is dead. Do you understand that. The Cold
War is over. We won.
Whatever the ACLU is doing, it has nothing to do with promoting Communism.
Its about protecting the rights of the average person against the power of
the government. It about keeping religious prejudice out of government. No
government-sponsored prayer. Those are good things.
Fenris
So, what is their agenda, Renee? Are they promoting God-less Communism?
Are they trying to warp the morals of America's youth? What is it?
Its not that hard to understand, its all in the name, America Civil
Liberties Union. They are protecting the civil liberties of Americans and
others throughout the world. They are protecting our First Amendment right.
They are working to keep religious prejudice and influence out of
government. They are protecting the average person against the power of the
government. What is wrong with that?
Fenris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>My opinion? Anyone that supports/backs the ACLU is Anti-American
>>>>>>>>Period!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Do you have anything to support your opinion, or is this just more
>>>>>>>hot air?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You either have researched that anti-American group or, you don't care!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I was a member.
>>>
>>>We all have a past. I wouldn't brag.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Why don't you ask Limbaugh, North, Bob Barr, and Larry Elder what they
>>>>think.
>>>>
>>>>They ether support or benefited from their help.
>>>>
>>>>Ask them. You won't believe me no matter what I say.
>>>>
>>>>Will you believe them when they completely overturn every one of your
>>>>unfounded FEELINGS?
>>>
>>>
>>>If Regan were proven to have supported them I still would not. They are
>>>anti anything American. Do the research. If I did it for you you would
>>>spin it.
>>
>>
>> You disingenuous little baby. Pick a dead guy.
>>
>> Worthless.
>
> Fine lets take a live guy. Again, if Rush, if Sean, If Lars if who ever
> you want to fill the blank in with said they support the aclu I would not.
> They are anti American and their roots are communist.
>
>>
>> You make claims, you back it up. Or be proven to be a pussy.
>
>
> I will not to your homework no matter how much you whine. I'm use to
> listening to the whining of the left. Does nothing for me any longer. If
> you really want to know the truth do your own research. If you want to be
> one of their UI's then go for it. Makes no difference to me. Anyone that
> supports them is Anti-American in my opinion!
Without anything to back it up, your opinion is not worth a fart in a
whirlwind. You state that they are anti-American, but have done nothing to
support your opinion. Why should anyone care what you think?
Bob Tiernan
> Bob Tiernan wrote:
> > Those liberals were real liberals and bore no relation or
> > similarity to those who started using the term for themselves
> > back in the 1930s or so. There are still *liberals* today,
> > i.e. people who embrace a philosophy based on the rights of
> > the individual, but they are called other things by the new
> > "liberals".
> That's EXACTLY what liberals today are.
Nope. Hardly. The people who decided to call
themselves "liberals" in the 30s etc were
mainly the progressive and New Dealer types.
At that time the people still known as
liberals back then were opponents of the
policies pushed by FDR and similar people.
> The civil rights movement. Abortion. Free speech.
> War as a last resort.
The original civil rights movement (and goals), sure,
but not what it became by the late 60s.
Abortion? Sure, why not.
Free speech? Sure, but that's hardly a "liberal-only"
cause, and besides, that's a crock-o-shit about the
so-called modern liberals being free speech champions.
After all, they love speech codes and are just as bad as
their counterparts when it comes to punishing people
for "words". Also hate-crime laws, in which thought
is punished rather than just acting on it.
Sorry, you lose this one.
> All "modern"/classical liberal views. All "based on
> the rights of the individual."
Sure, you can pick a few. So can the right wing
conservatives point to a few. Doesn't make them
classical liberals, either.
The so-called liberals of today are far too wedded
to control freak stuff regarding economic activity
and scores of other areas to be anything close to
real liberals.
Bob T
Fenris
They are trying to keep religion out of government completely. I agree with
them 100%. Religion in government represents the single biggest threat to
our civil liberties. If you want to see what happens when religion takes
control of government, you need look no further than the Taliban in
Afghanistan. History is littered with examples of the tyranny imposed by
religious zealots who get control of the government.
> amount to suppression of majority rights by a tiny minority.
>
> Under the guise of ‘protecting American civil rights’, The ACLU has sued
> to;
>
> - Halt the singing of Christmas Carols in public facilities.
>
> - Deny tax -exempt status for Churches.
>
> - Remove all military chaplains.
>
> - Remove all Christian symbols from public property.
>
> - Prohibit Bible reading in classrooms even during free time.
>
> - Remove In God We Trust from our coins.
>
> - Remove God from the Pledge of Allegiance
>
> - Deny federal funding for Boy Scouts until they admit gays and atheists.
Good for them. Bravo! Keep the fundies out of government.
Renee Dauven
> "Renee Dauven" <pro...@web-ster.com> wrote in message
> news:118ck3j...@corp.supernews.com...
>
>>No it isn't. Just listen to Harry Reid Thurs. afternoon talking about
>>John Bolton. "Just get a member to go upstairs and look at his FBI
>>file..."
>>
>
>
> What are you blathering about? First, you've got the quote wrong. Second,
> the quote was in reference to someone that shrub wants to give a lifetime
> appointment to - not Bolton. Third, as part of the vetting process, and in
> response to explicit permission from the person SEEKING THE APPOINTMENT, the
> FBI does prepare a confidential report that is only available to the
> senators concerning that person.
It seems that both of us are a bit guilty of blathering.
The jist of the quote is correct. Here is the exact quote:
"All you need to do is have a member go upstairs and look at his
confidential report from the FBI, and I think we would all agree that
there is a problem there," Mr. Reid continued.
Taken from the following site:
http://washingtontimes.com/national/20050513-122042-3194r.htm
Yes, I did get the name wrong. It should have been Saad, not Bolton.
Yes, the FBI does do background checks and investigations of all
nominees. However...the file is supposed to be seen by only those
Senators who are actually on the committee and by the two Senators from
the home state of the nominee. The contents of the file are not be
divulged in any manner to any other Senator, any staff, reporters, cooks
and chauffers. The nominee is also not allowed to see the file nor is
he told what is in it. This has been the procedure since the
administration of Bush Sr. Prior to that Senators were not even allowed
to see the file. The Democrats demanded that they be allowed access to
the files of Bush Sr.'s nominees and Bush acquiesed.
Obviously, from the above, if Reid has seen the file personally, he has
broken the rules. If he hasn't, and someone told him of the contents of
the file, then someone has broken the rules. By hinting at the contents
of the file, Reid has come dangerously close to not only breaking the
rules, but to actually breaking the law concerning the privacy of those
records. Unauthorized access to the files carries with it automatic
removal from the Senate.
Do you think that he will receive an "admonition" from the ethics
committee? Hell, does the Senate even have an ethics committee?
Renee L. Dauven
alohacyberian
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> "alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
> news:FqSge.207248$cg1....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>> "____________" <__@___.net> wrote in message
>> news:JjKge.73241$r53.7173@attbi_s21...
>>> ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot... <snippage>
>>>
>> Someone should tell them that it isn't against the law to be an idiot,
>> especially if it's the ACLU or elitist Leftwing Liberals doing the usual
>> name-calling. KM
>
> Unless the ACLU is defending Limbaugh, Elder, or North.
>
> Then they're doing god's work.
I'm sure you won't mind if folks don't consider you to be an accurate source
for determining "God's work". KM
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> "Roger" <rog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> "alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:FqSge.207248$cg1....@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>> "____________" <__@___.net> wrote in message
>>> news:JjKge.73241$r53.7173@attbi_s21...
>>>> ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot... <snippage>
>>>>
>>> Someone should tell them that it isn't against the law to be an idiot,
>>> especially if it's the ACLU or elitist Leftwing Liberals doing the usual
>>> name-calling. KM
>>
>> Unless the ACLU is defending Limbaugh, Elder, or North.
>>
>> Then they're doing god's work.
>
> I'm sure you won't mind if folks don't consider you to be an accurate
> source for determining "God's work". KM
I'm sure you won't mind me laughing at your ass for missing the obvious
sarcasm.
Sweet.
WinGuru
I don't see how Senator Reid has done anything wrong. All he has done is
properly in his role of advisement to identify that there is a problem
without specifying either the nature or specifics there-in. Clearly, if
there is a problem, Saad, the individual concerned, would be aware of it,
since he is surely aware of his own behavior and actions. Clearly, if Saad
is being touted as a qualified or strong pick it would be Senator Reid's
duty to advise that there is a problem. If the observation is disputed,
then it is appropriate that individuals who would be making the decision be
referred to the source material. Or are you now saying that you don't
believe in the truth and open government? That you believe that the Senate
should just be a rubber-stamp on the President's nominees? If so, what's
your excuse for supporting the GOP tactics that prevented over 60 of
President Clinton's nominees from getting a vote or even a hearing?
Scratch
Well what do you know Fenwrist, I'm surprised you kept whining about no
proof then when some is supplied what do you say? Yeah I'm all for
keeping fundies out of government. I'm shocked (NOT) This is the reason
I don't like doing lefties home work ya little piss ant. Now, you whine,
stomp your little foot, read your cute little leftie posts and yell,
yeah right on! But you will not get anymore from me. If you support the
aclu then you are anti American period!
Scratch
How could we tell? As much as the left is know for distorting the truth
and lying when you try to feign sarcasm it comes out as just one more
leftie lie.
Mitchell Holman
news:N7Cdnffuv5v...@comcast.com:
A popular opinion among Conservatives.
Until it is THEIR rights that are being
violated....................
Roger
Excuses, excuses, excuses.
You could be Bush's long lost son.
____________
> Don Homuth wrote:
>> On Fri, 13 May 2005 19:53:50 -0700, Scratch
>> <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Don Homuth wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 13 May 2005 07:01:03 -0700, Scratch
>>>><Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Don Homuth wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 12 May 2005 08:33:15 -0700, Bob Tiernan
>>>>>><zulu.pac...@shell1.pacifier.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>____________ wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>ACLU isn't anti-Christian. They're anti-idiot, and
>>>>>>>>anti-Faerie-stories.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>No, they support the right to be an idiot and a
>>>>>>>believer in Faerie stories.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For which the Right ought to be thankful.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why? So we can observe the leftists of this nation try and take another
>>>>>punch at its guts?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>No -- so you still have the Free Speech right. Ferdamshur the Right
>>>>doesn't spend any effort defending it.
>>>
>>>Had free speech dumb ass long before aclu communists came along. Unless
>>>you want o talk whizzing on the sidewalk or some such bullshit free
>>>speech.
>>
>>
>> Read your history, child. It'll do you good.
>> --
>> Brother Flaming Scimitar of Vengeful Reflection
>> Servant of the Unitarian Jihad
>
> Already have don't need to read history if it has been more history
> changed by socialists.
No socialists here, loser; but your typical bigoted right wing ignorance is
noted.
You may apologize here ___________________________.
Bill Shatzer
Renee Dauven (pro...@web-ster.com) writes:
-snip-
It would be too much to expect, I suppose, that you would provide the
entire story.
Still, the one detail you omitted was that a supposedly "closed" Senate
Judiciary Committee hearing last June at which Saad's FBI reports were
discussed went out live on C-SPAN's internet feed when a GOP staffer
hit the wrong button - or failed to push the right one.
Thus, it is completely unnecessary for Reid to have seen the FBI reports
or to have received information from anyone who has done so. There
is no necessary inference that -anyone- has broken Senate rules save,
perhaps, the GOP staffer whose negligence caused the committee hearing
to be streamed live to the internet.
All that is required is that he have received information from
someone who listened to the C-SPAN internet feed. Large numbers
of folks, including several reporters, apparently did so.
Some considerable portion of the information in Saad's FBI has been
publicly available since last summer. And Reid, and any one else,
is certainly allowed to refer to and draw inferences from information
which has been made public - whether inadvertantly or otherwise.
Especially when that reference is as non-specific as it was in
this case.
> Do you think that he will receive an "admonition" from the ethics
> committee? Hell, does the Senate even have an ethics committee?
Yes the senate has an ethics committee - but it's not at all apparent
that there is anything for it to investigate - save, perhaps, the
negligence of the GOP staffer which sent the committee hearing
out live over the C-SPAN feed.
Peace and justice,
--
"Cave ab homine unius libri"
alohacyberian
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> Scratch <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in news:782dnbqz_u8r9RjfRVn-
> p...@comcast.com:
>>
>> I don't need, I didn't ask for the aclu's help in my defense of anything.
>
> That's what Ollie North and Rush used to think...........
>
Oh, well, then God knows if Mitchell Holman claims he knows what Oliver North
and Rush Limbaugh used to "think" (Mitch must be a very avid fan and follow
them ever-so-closely to actually divine what those two men actually "think" -
astonishing accomplishment!), therefore, Holman draws the totally illogical
conclusion that Scratch might eventually seek the ACLU for legal defense.
That's about as likely as a rabbi seeking the legal council of a Nazi or
Harry Belafonte singing a benefit concert for the KKK legal defense fund. On
second thought, Belafonte is a loose cannonball, make that Aretha Franklin.
alohacyberian
> Roger wrote:
>> Will you believe them when they completely overturn every one of your
>> unfounded FEELINGS?
>
> If Regan were proven to have supported them I still would not. They are
> anti anything American. Do the research. If I did it for you you would spin
> it.
>
We both know Roger is too lazy, too timid and too afraid to do his own
research, but, let's fantasize that he has had a total personality change and
actually does do his own research - he's still going to spin it! LOL! KM
alohacyberian
> Roger wrote:
>> "Scratch" <Little-Time@few_years.com> wrote in message
>> news:Luedna08z6l...@comcast.com...
>>
>
> I will not to your homework no matter how much you whine. I'm use to
> listening to the whining of the left. Does nothing for me any longer. If
> you really want to know the truth do your own research. If you want to be
> one of their UI's then go for it. Makes no difference to me. Anyone that
> supports them is Anti-American in my opinion!
>
LOL! Not only do the America-bashers expect their adversaries to be lackeys
and do the homework that the America-haters either refuse to do or are
incompetent to accomplish - the Anti-America crowd offers as their decisive
aguments, things like, "Or be proven to be a pussy." And they sincerely
expect any thinking adult to take them seriously? Hilarious! No amount of
money, influence, persuasion or words can possibly paint Leftwing Liberals in
a worse light than they gladly portray themselves. KM
alohacyberian
> Fenris wrote:
>> You still haven't answered the question, Screech. What do you have
>> against civil liberty or the Bill of Rights.
>
> I don't answer your straw man bullshit.
>
>> power of the government.
>
> Only in so far as it supports their original agenda. Communism.
>
>> They also defend people whose opinions are not very popular with the
>> with that?
>
> Like I said before if they agree with what I say on a subject would you
> also believe in turn I support them? If so you are deluded!
> They are anti-American. Dogpile is your friend. Look them up. If you really
> want to know what and who the aclu is do the homework but don't expect me
> to do it for you. There is a ton of stuff out there on their roots and what
> their direction is. It has never changed.
>
refuse to learn or admit why the ACLU was founded and what their ultimate
goals are - which, of course, have nothing whatever to do with defending the
downtrodden or the controversial and even less to do with "defending the
average person" against anything. The ACLU's raison d'etre has nothing to do
with supporting civil liberty, the Bill of Rights or any other law, right or
freedom. KM
alohacyberian
>
> Under the guise of ‘protecting American civil rights’, The ACLU has sued
> to;
>
> - Halt the singing of Christmas Carols in public facilities.
>
> - Deny tax -exempt status for Churches.
>
> - Remove all military chaplains.
>
> - Remove all Christian symbols from public property.
>
> - Prohibit Bible reading in classrooms even during free time.
>
> - Remove In God We Trust from our coins.
>
> - Remove God from the Pledge of Allegiance
>
> - Deny federal funding for Boy Scouts until they admit gays and atheists.
>
The organization that has consistently attacked the use of Christian and
Jewish symbols in public places in the United States, would go to court in a
Hollywood heartbeat to insure that an Islamic symbol should be allowed
anywhere in public. The ACLU's insistence and the judge in San Diego's
conclusion that the Boy Scouts of America is a religious organization simply
illustrate that these people aren't sane. KM
alohacyberian
Human Rights Comission of the United Nations, peopled by those who commit the
most heinous atrocities. :-) KM
alohacyberian
> Roger wrote:
>> "alohacyberian" <alohac...@att.net> wrote in message
>> news:6DFhe.764839$w62.7...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
>>>"Roger" <rog...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:VjWge.2067$Y81...@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...
>>>>
>>>
>>>I'm sure you won't mind if folks don't consider you to be an accurate
>>>source for determining "God's work". KM
>>
>> I'm sure you won't mind me laughing at your ass for missing the obvious
>> sarcasm.
>
> lying when you try to feign sarcasm it comes out as just one more leftie
> lie.
>
they claim they were being sarcastic. Sarcasm is an art, lying is a sin. KM
alohacyberian
>> and lying when you try to feign sarcasm it comes out as just one more
>> leftie lie.
>
> Excuses, excuses, excuses.
>
> You could be Bush's long lost son.
I guess by inference, that would make you John Kerry's long lost son, or
probably more accurately Dennis Kucinich's long lost eunuch son. ;-) Either
way, that makes Scatch a winner and Roger a loser. Thanks for the
enlightening illustration. KM