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A Techy Tale of Kevin's Dismay

Oh Kevin, dear, you code with great flair,
But tirzepatide's bug makes you tear your hair!
Your patches are stuck, like glue on a shoe,
Yet Ben and Sam's wisdom will surely pull you through! šŸŽ©

With hardhats in tow, the troop's on the case,
To fix up the glitches and bring back your grace!
So laugh out loud, let bureaucracy frown,
Soon you'll be coding—and wearing the crown! šŸ‘·ā€ā™‚ļø


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Benjamin Irwin <benon...@gmail.com>: Jul 25 02:00PM -0700

The kernel patch XU*8.0*807 caused a little issue when installing on GT.m
on Linux.
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$ZE= POSTINSTALLDN+4^XUP807, Quit does not return to an extrinsic function:
argu
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ment not allowed,150374450,-%GTM-E-NOTEXTRINSIC
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Last Global Ref: ^DD(0,3,0)
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Q RTNVAL
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I removed the variable "RTNVAL" after the "Q" and everything install
successfully.
Sam Habiel <sam.h...@gmail.com>: Jul 26 08:12AM -0400

That's why I have *gtm_zquit_anyway*
<https://www.mumps.cz/gtm/books/ao/UNIX_manual/webhelp/content/ch03s02.html>
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set so I won't hit this error.
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--Sam
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krs...@gmail.com: Jul 25 12:05PM -0700

šŸŽ© Oh, Hardhats, Here’s the Scoop! šŸŽ©
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In the land where hardhats dwell,
Kevin's troubles, we know so well!
Tirzepatide's the drug of the hour,
But adding it? Gives Kevin a shower!
"Oh help me, dear friends," he doth cry,
As codes and patches just make him sigh.
But with Ben and Sam, he’ll find his way,
To fix those bugs, come what may!
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George Timson <gti...@post.harvard.edu>: Jul 25 05:27AM -0700
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Kevin Toppenberg <kdt...@gmail.com>: Jul 25 06:35AM -0700
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Who know that Shakespeare would anticipate computer patching!
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KT
Sam Habiel <sam.h...@gmail.com>: Jul 25 09:38AM -0400
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I am glad George is still reading hardhats!
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Shakespeare anticipated VistA patching!
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Kevin Toppenberg <kdt...@gmail.com>: Jul 25 06:34AM -0700
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On Tuesday, July 22, 2025 at 3:05:19 PM UTC-4 krs...@gmail.com wrote:
I love it!
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KT
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A Poem for Poor Kevin!
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Oh dear Kevin, in a techy fix,
Trying to add tirzepatide to your mix.
With allergies logged and bugs abound,
Your pharmacy skills are tightly bound!
Ā 
You traced through code, yet came out so frail,
Like trying to catch a fish in a pail.
"Help me!" you cried, through digital air,
As your queries floated with virtual flair!
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Ben and Sam chimed in with their wisdom most sweet,
To navigate hurdles, you’ll need quite the feat!
So update those files, and don’t you despair,
For tirz
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Kevin Toppenberg <kdt...@gmail.com>: Jul 25 06:32AM -0700
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Thank you Sam and all.
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I have a few other things on my plate right now, so I may have to come back
to this a bit later.
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Best wishes,
Kevin
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krs...@gmail.com: Jul 24 12:05PM -0700
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Oh Dear Hardhats!
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In the land of drug code, oh what a plight,🄓
Adding tirzepatide gave Kevin a fright.
His allergies logged, but the system's a tease,
Like a cat chasing laser, it's just hard to please!
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So Ben and poor Sam, with their wisdom and cheer,
Helped navigate tech bugs, oh dear, oh dear!
With patches and routines, and some laughs on the side,
Let’s hope Kevin’s soon on that bug-fixing ride!
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Sam Habiel <sam.h...@gmail.com>: Jul 23 04:32PM -0400
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Correction: 1. The patches are now at https://github.com/shabiel/PSN-4-513/.
Note that I have created patches post-OSEHRA. I keep the routines up to
date with current VistA code but I don't make patches. So you have to look
carefully and see what kind of collisions you have, as it depends on your
current patch level.
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I meant to say I have NOT created patches post-OSEHRA. The routines are
kept up to date.
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krs...@gmail.com: Jul 23 12:04PM -0700
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Oh Kevin, dear, in a fix so bright, 🌟
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Your drug allergies give quite the fright!
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Tirzepatide's causing quite the stir,
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As you chase down bugs—a pharmacist’s blur!
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With advice from your pals, Ben and Sam too, šŸ‘·ā€ā™‚ļø
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Just patch those systems, and good luck to you!
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When tech woes chase you like flies on a sweet,
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Just laugh it off; soon, your folder's complete!
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krs...@gmail.com: Jul 22 12:05PM -0700
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A Poem for Poor Kevin!
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Oh dear Kevin, in a techy fix,
Trying to add tirzepatide to your mix.
With allergies logged and bugs abound,
Your pharmacy skills are tightly bound!
Ā 
You traced through code, yet came out so frail,
Like trying to catch a fish in a pail.
"Help me!" you cried, through digital air,
As your queries floated with virtual flair!
Ā 
Ben and Sam chimed in with their wisdom most sweet,
To navigate hurdles, you’ll need quite the feat!
So update those files, and don’t you despair,
For tirzepatide allergies—those you WILL bear!
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Kevin Toppenberg <kdt...@gmail.com>: Jul 21 04:28PM -0700
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The only part of the pharmacy system that we use in our office is entering
DRUG ALLERGIES.
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I need to add tirzepatide into my system so I can list it as an allergy.
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I found this prior thread
(https://groups.google.com/g/hardhats/c/vlOa-KO0oh4/m/7rcUZ7arshwJ) with a
link to this page: https://vistapedia.net/index.php/Enter_A_Drug written by
Sam Habiel.
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I tried to follow the instructions, but I think because there is no
matching drug in multiple files that comprise the national drug file, I
can't fully get it to work.
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I created this record:
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Showing FILE: DRUG (#50)
Entry #94724,
.001-NUMBER : 94724
.01-GENERIC NAME : TIRZEPATIDE
1-AHFS NUMBER : : 0.00
2-VA CLASSIFICATION : HS500
9-SYNONYM : <MULTIPLE-VALUED> SUBFILE #50.1
Entry #1
.01-SYNONYM : Mounjaro
1-INTENDED USE : TRADE NAME
Entry #2
.01-SYNONYM : Zepbound
1-INTENDED USE : TRADE NAME
2-NDC CODE : 00002-1152-01
18-INV ORDER UNITS : 0.00
25-NATIONAL DRUG CLASS : HS500 (`128 in #50.605)
26-VA DRUG CLASS CODE : HS500 BLOOD GLUCOSE REGULATION AGENTS
31-NDC : 00002-1152-01
63-APPLICATION PACKAGES' USE : OX
82-NCPDP DISPENSE UNIT : EACH
83-NCPDP QUANTITY MULTIPLIER : 1
900-OLD NAMES : <MULTIPLE-VALUED> SUBFILE #50.01
Entry #1
.01-OLD NAMES : tirzepatide
.02-DATE CHANGED : JUL 21, 2025
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But I still can't select the drug in the Add Allergy functionality of CPRS.
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I are a few years behind on our patches. I looked in the PSN package for
patches, and there are only 2 (SEQ# 556 - PSN*4.0*574, SEQ# 557 -
PSN*4.0*57) and both of these seems to be bug fixes rather than file
update.
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I traced through the RPC code from CPRS, ORWDAL32 ALLERGY MATCH, that
searches for matches to user's entry. It does not seem to support looking
for entries in the local drug file. Looking at the code, it seems that it
used to, but then functionality was removed (incompletely).
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Question:
Can anyone give guidance on how to add ability to enter a drug allergy for
tirzepatide?
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Thanks
Kevin
Benjamin Irwin <benon...@gmail.com>: Jul 21 05:06PM -0700
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This might help. There are a number of files that is uses for the lookup
listed in the text below.
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STANDARD DATA DICTIONARY #120.8 -- PATIENT ALLERGIES FILE 6/27/25 PAGE 1
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120.8,.02 REACTANT 0;2 FREE TEXT (Required) CAUSATIVE AGENT INPUT
TRANSFORM: D EN^DDIOL("Editing not allowed!","","$C(7),!?4") K X LAST
EDITED: AUG 13, 2004 HELP-PROMPT: Answer must be 3-30 characters in length.
DESCRIPTION: This is the agent to which the patient had this reaction. This
is the name of the reactant and will be the result of a look up on either
the GMR Allergies (120.82), National Drug (50.6), Drug Ingredients
(50.416), Local Drug (50) or VA Drug Class (50.605) files.
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On Monday, July 21, 2025 at 7:28:05 PM UTC-4 Kevin Toppenberg wrote:
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Sam Habiel <sam.h...@gmail.com>: Jul 22 08:58AM -0400
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Can you see if you can still add an allergy from the Outpatient Pharmacy
Package from the backend?
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But otherwise, you will need to update your national drug files, which is a
long long road. I can give you instructions, but expect that there will be
hurdles on the way, and it may take you a couple of weeks.
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--Sam
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Kevin Toppenberg <kdt...@gmail.com>: Jul 22 11:35AM -0700
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Thank you Ben and Sam.
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I don't know how to add an allergy from the roll-and-scroll. But I can add
them for existing drugs in CPRS.
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I agree that I need to update the national drug files. I discussed with
Nancy, Dave, et al, on the support call last night. They said that you had
some code that would automate the loading and installation of the .DAT
files. Do you have instructions or guidance for that?
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Thanks
Kevin
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Sam Habiel <sam.h...@gmail.com>: Jul 22 03:22PM -0400
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I gave this presentation back in the day.
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https://smh101.com/presentations/20180424_SamHabiel_PPS-N-Final.pdf
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A few notes:
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1. The patches are now at https://github.com/shabiel/PSN-4-513/. Note that
I have created patches post-OSEHRA. I keep the routines up to date with
current VistA code but I don't make patches. So you have to look carefully
and see what kind of collisions you have, as it depends on your current
patch level.
2. You need to be very careful at the switch. Oddly, there is no checking
code to see that you switched exactly at the right PSN patch. See the table
in the presentation on when exactly you need to make the switch. There is a
period where BOTH patches and dat files are being released.
3. Pharmacy dat files are here:
https://foia-vista.worldvista.org/Patches_By_Application/PSN-NATIONAL%20DRUG%20FILE%20(NDF)/PPS_DATS/
4. You won't have a smooth experience installing the really early dat files
(by and large I have had no problems in the last 2 years). I have had many
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