Hamster MID format?
iNcReDuLoUs
Is there a default format for the LHS of a Message-ID that was generated by
Hamster 2.1.0.11?
If so, does either of these sets of MIDs match that format?
A)
Message-ID: <fi6nv...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <fjuk19...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <fl69mv...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <fltsie...@lh.127.0.0.1>
B)
Message-ID: <d89a86a7d87f53e9...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <263b9173e611a66b...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <8c5eb213c526773d...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
Message-ID: <7e8da9711b1355ec...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
Regards
Wolfgang Jäth
>
> Is there a default format for the LHS of a Message-ID that was generated
> by Hamster 2.1.0.11?
Yes. Hamster uses a 3 segmented local part for the MID. The first segment
represents the base64 encoded value of date and time, the second one is a
hamster internal thread ID, and the third is simply a serial number (if
necessary).
> If so, does either of these sets of MIDs match that format?
>
> A)
> Message-ID: <fi6nv...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> Message-ID: <fjuk19...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> Message-ID: <fl69mv...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> Message-ID: fltsie...@lh.127.0.0.1
They look like being created from Hamster.
> B)
> Message-ID: <d89a86a7d87f53e9...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> Message-ID: <263b9173e611a66b...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> Message-ID: <8c5eb213c526773d...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
> Message-ID: <7e8da9711b1355ec...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
They are no hamster MIDs.
Wolfgang
--
Michael Jaritz
>> If so, does either of these sets of MIDs match that format?
>>
>> A)
>> Message-ID: <fi6nv...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> Message-ID: <fjuk19...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> Message-ID: <fl69mv...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> Message-ID: fltsie...@lh.127.0.0.1
>
>They look like being created from Hamster.
>
>> B)
>> Message-ID: <d89a86a7d87f53e9...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> Message-ID: <263b9173e611a66b...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> Message-ID: <8c5eb213c526773d...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>> Message-ID: <7e8da9711b1355ec...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>
>They are no hamster MIDs.
Maybe, in hamster.ini [setup] mid.crypt=1 was set?
Michael
iNcReDuLoUs
Thank you, both, for the information.
The poster belonging to those eight MIDs has said he uses a setup of
Agent > Newsproxy > Hamster > external servers, and he occasionally
switches from one MID format to the other, then back. It had left me
curious about the how and why. You've helped with the "how"; the "why"
will probably remain a mystery.
Regards
hummingbird
On 19 Jan 2008 16:56:11 GMT 'iNcReDuLoUs'
wrote this on hamster.en.misc:
>Michael Jaritz <ewig...@abwesend.de> wrote:
>
>> Wolfgang Jäth schrieb:
>>
>>>> If so, does either of these sets of MIDs match that format?
>>>>
>>>> A)
>>>> Message-ID: <fi6nv...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>> Message-ID: <fjuk19...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>> Message-ID: <fl69mv...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>> Message-ID: fltsie...@lh.127.0.0.1
>>>
>>>They look like being created from Hamster.
>>>
>>>> B)
>>>> Message-ID: <d89a86a7d87f53e9...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>> Message-ID: <263b9173e611a66b...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>> Message-ID: <8c5eb213c526773d...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>> Message-ID: <7e8da9711b1355ec...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
>>>
>>>They are no hamster MIDs.
>>
>> Maybe, in hamster.ini [setup] mid.crypt=1 was set?
>
>Thank you, both, for the information.
>The poster belonging to those eight MIDs [ ... ]
1.That is a false statement iNcReDuLoUs. Why are you lying?
*Some* of those 8 MIDs belong to me, some don't. Those which are
mine are obviously so and I have no reason to deny making them.
It is not a crime to post on Usenet.
And what business is it of yours to be quoting MIDs of mine on
newsgroups unrelated to where they were posted? and seeking to
carry out some sort of devious investigation?
What is your point? Are you seeking information to use to cause
more disharmony on other group(s)?
Why are you stalking me?
>has said he uses a setup of
>Agent > Newsproxy > Hamster > external servers,
2.That is another false statement. I have said no such thing.
Why are you lying iNcReDuLoUs?
Is it to deceive helpful people on this newsgroup?
And what business is it of yours to know what s/w I use to post
on Usenet?
Are you trying to cook up yet another of your paranoid conspiracy
theories like you frequently do on other groups?
>and he occasionally
>switches from one MID format to the other, then back.
3.What business is it of yours that I occasionally change the format
of my MIDs? Many people do it frequently. There's no law against it.
Why do you feel the need to carry out an investigation?
Are you a self-appointed fascist netcop with a sinister agenda?
>It had left me
>curious about the how and why.
I'm quite certain that your interest in what s/w I use to post
on Usenet goes way beyond being "curious". Right?
I ask again, why are you stalking me?
>You've helped with the "how"; the "why"
>will probably remain a mystery.
Nope. Despite helpful information given to you by Michael Jaritz and
Wolfgang Jäth with best intentions, you have not made any progress
in determining what s/w I use to post on Usenet. That is none of
your business and will remain so. Hamster cannot be the only s/w which
allows people to modify their MID format. After all, your friend
Franklin has used 4 different MID formats in the past two weeks
alone and (afaik) he doesn't use Hamster!
You recently modified your own headers on another group to include
an insult about me. Should I start an investigation about that?
And the questions remain:
What business is it of yours what s/w I use to post on Usenet?
What business is it of yours that I occasionally change my MID format?
Why are you stalking me?
With this incident and your regular behaviour on other groups, IMV
you are violating the Terms and Conditions of your news provider
- astraweb.net - and I strongly suggest you read their Ts&Cs.
Committing libel or defamation and exposing them to legal action,
is something they will hold you financially accountable for.
Your stalking, harassment and frequent defamation is becoming
a serious annoyance. *I demand that you to stop it forthwith.*
iNcReDuLoUs
> With this incident and your regular behaviour on other groups, IMV
> you are violating the Terms and Conditions of your news provider
> - astraweb.net - and I strongly suggest you read their Ts&Cs.
> Committing libel or defamation and exposing them to legal action,
> is something they will hold you financially accountable for.
Hello hummingbird;Chris;Chas;hamsteruser;Mystic Meg;Stan;The Boss;
agent-user;agent.v2.user;Christopher Millbank;carboncopy;etc.,
If you believe I'm violating my NSP's Acceptable Use Policy, then by all
means, you should file a complaint.
--
I lurk, therefore I am. If I post, I am iNcReDuLoUs.
iNcReDuLoUs
> With this incident and your regular behaviour on other groups, IMV
> you are violating the Terms and Conditions of your news provider
> - astraweb.net - and I strongly suggest you read their Ts&Cs.
> Committing libel or defamation and exposing them to legal action,
> is something they will hold you financially accountable for.
Hello hummingbird;Chris;Chas;hamsteruser;Mystic Meg;stan;The Boss;
agent-user;agent.v2.user;Christopher Millbank;carboncopy;jsmith;
Ashkenazi;goyem;A Christian;Duckling Club;etc.[1],
As I mentioned in a previous post, if you believe I'm violating my NSP's
Acceptable Use Policy, you should file a complaint.
[1] A few of the many confirmed hummingbird sockpuppets:
Chris <hamst...@privacy.invalid.com>
Message-ID: <13g2phg...@corp.supernews.com>
Chas.on.HamsterClassic <hamst...@privacy.invalid.com>
Message-ID: <fm3s6...@lh.127.0.0.1>
hamsteruser <hamst...@privacy.invalid.com>
Message-ID: <13f7hs1...@corp.supernews.com>
Mystic Meg <mysti...@starflutecommand.com>
Message-ID: <81b16fe743bfcc7d...@MysticMeg.127.0.0.1>
stan <sta...@privacy.net.invalid>
Message-ID: <13dqmgl...@corp.supernews.com>
The Boss <is....@runlike.hell.com>
Message-ID: <firtjotnh59g8...@nowmail.com>
agent-user <agent...@privacy.invalid.com>
Message-ID: <fiho8...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
agent.v2.user <agent...@privacy.invalid.com>
Message-ID: <fjng5...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
Christopher Millbank <tou...@jeitinho.plus.com>
Message-ID: <263b9173e611a66b...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
carboncopy <for...@invalid.com>
Message-ID: <fia0g...@localhost.127.0.0.1>
jsmith <jsm...@invalid.here.com>
Message-ID: <flqet...@lh.127.0.0.1>
Ashkenazi <Franqli...@octanews.kissmyass.com>
Message-ID: <f9mb7n$sc3$1...@aioe.org>
goyem <go...@church.com>
Message-ID: <ffi4nq$5bq$1...@aioe.org>
A Christian <chri...@church.com>
Message-ID: <ffgbo6$9fp$1...@aioe.org>
Duckling Club <quack.qu...@dawn.invalid.com>
Message-ID: <Xns7A41DDF78...@127.0.0.1>
hummingbird
On 21 Mar 2008 01:20:08 GMT 'iNcReDuLoUs'
wrote on hamster.en.misc
[iNcReDuLoUs trash and lies binned unread]
I have a question for you Mr/Mrs/Ms iNcReDuLoUs:
From the low-life world of American trailer trash that you live in,
do you honestly think there is a single sane and reasonable person
who has a scintilla of interest in the stream of malicious lies that
you endlessly spew onto ACF and now this newsgroup?
Your pollution may be of interest to other morons like yourself, but
not to decent respectable people. We have better things to do.
FYI: I will never seek *your* permission to post to any newsgroup
using a name that's different to the one I use on ACF. Your nasty
fascism is what lies at the heart of all this.
--
"If The Big Boys Can Fake Nyms Why Not Us Weenies"
...iNcReDuLoUs, <alt.test> 17-Aug-2006
Wolfgang Jäth
>
> From the low-life world of American trailer trash that you live in,
> do you honestly think there is a single sane and reasonable person
> who has a scintilla of interest in the stream of malicious lies that
> you endlessly spew onto ACF and now this newsgroup?
Is this a Hamster related question?
Anyway, *nobody* in the whole world (except you both) is interestid in your
scatological comunication. Please you *both* keep the usenet (and especially
this hierarchy) free of your secretions.
Wolfgang
--
hummingbird
On Sat, 22 Mar 2008 19:43:50 +0100 'Wolfgang Jäth'
wrote this on hamster.en.misc:
I agree Wolfgang ...but your comments are better directed at the
American poster iNcReDuLoUs who started this thread several months
ago and then added to it yesterday, prompting my further rebuttal
of his lies and nonsense. I have no control over his rubbish posts.
Good luck.
Franklin
wrote:
> I have a question for you Mr/Mrs/Ms iNcReDuLoUs:
>
> From the low-life world of American trailer trash that you live
> in, do you honestly think there is a single sane and reasonable
> person who has a scintilla of interest in the stream of malicious
> lies that you endlessly spew onto ACF and now this newsgroup?
>
> Your pollution may be of interest to other morons like yourself,
> but not to decent respectable people. We have better things to do.
>
> FYI: I will never seek *your* permission to post to any newsgroup
> using a name that's different to the one I use on ACF. Your nasty
> fascism is what lies at the heart of all this.
Hummingbird/Chris
Please stop getting so animated. Incred was asking about how to
read various headers and the examples he used happened to be your
headers. That's no big deal.
Incred did go on to ask about whch software may have been used but
this is not called "stalking". You use of the word immediately
marks you out as a fantasist. Just chill and make your point.
Personally I think you have a weak case after posting a message into
a public area. In a similar way, some sentences of a novel may be
copied out and then anyalsed in a group. Not exactly stalkig is it?
I think your anger stems from the fact that most of your posts are
anti-social and many other posts from you are not actually made in
your name. Now, if Incred learns too much about your methods then
that will put a limit your ability to cause a nuisance. And this is
what seem to really worry you.
Wolfgang Jäth
>
>>> From the low-life world of American trailer trash that you live in,
>>> do you honestly think there is a single sane and reasonable person
>>> who has a scintilla of interest in the stream of malicious lies that
>>> you endlessly spew onto ACF and now this newsgroup?
>>
>>Is this a Hamster related question?
>>
>>Anyway, *nobody* in the whole world (except you both) is interestid in
>>your
>>scatological comunication. Please you *both* keep the usenet (and
>>especially
>>this hierarchy) free of your secretions.
>>
>>Wolfgang
>
> I agree Wolfgang ...but your comments are better directed at the
> American poster iNcReDuLoUs who started this thread several months
> ago
He *asked* a Hamster related question.
>and then added to it yesterday, prompting my further rebuttal
> of his lies and nonsense.
Yes; and I thought, two more articles of this kind, and I will classify his
articles as 'advertising the same service' aka spam.
>I have no control over his rubbish posts.
But you have control over /your/ rubbish posts. And I (or better said my
reader) remembers very well, that /you/ were the one in this hierarchy, who
started slanderous and scurrile postings.
Anyway, I addressed my article to *everyone* of you *both*.
Wolfgang
--
hummingbird
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 07:38:53 +0100 'Wolfgang Jäth'
wrote this on hamster.en.misc:
>"hummingbird" <hummi...@2die4.com> schrieb ...
>> I agree Wolfgang ...but your comments are better directed at the
>> American poster iNcReDuLoUs who started this thread several months
>> ago
>He *asked* a Hamster related question.
That is true and your response was genuine and well-intended.
But as you have since discovered his questions were for the
nefarious purpose of stalking me and trying to find out what s/w I
use to post on Usenet. He is one of a small group of troublemakers
on another newsgroup who fabricate lies about other people and make
allegations for which they don't have a scintilla of evidence. What
they *think* is true miraculously becomes true in their tiny deluded
minds.
Now that he *thinks* I post using Hamster, he will start creating
all sorts of false stories about what Hamster users can do on
Usenet.
>>and then added to it yesterday, prompting my further rebuttal
>> of his lies and nonsense.
>
>Yes; and I thought, two more articles of this kind, and I will classify his
>articles as 'advertising the same service' aka spam.
If you can explain to me how I can rebutt a post on this newsgroup
made by another user, without posting onto this newsgroup myself,
I'd like to know. This newsgroup has become unwittingly dragged
into a heated debate - but it is what iNcReDuLoUs and his mentor
Franklin do quite often; they enjoy creating cross-group flame wars.
>>I have no control over his rubbish posts.
>
>But you have control over /your/ rubbish posts. And I (or better said my
>reader) remembers very well, that /you/ were the one in this hierarchy, who
>started slanderous and scurrile postings.
That's absolute rubbish Wolfgang. If you read my comments above,
you might understand more about the unfortunate situation which you
have walked into. It's not your fault but it's not mine either. The
only person to blame is: iNcReDuLoUs (and I see his mentor Franklin
has appeared to stir up more cross-group flame wars).
>Anyway, I addressed my article to *everyone* of you *both*.
Yes, and I pointed out to you that my posts were only responding
to the stalking posts made by iNcReDuLoUs.
>Wolfgang
--
Franklin's whopping BIG LIE of 2007:
"I do not post with deliberate and misleading errors"
<Franklin>, ACF, 23-Nov-2007
...but...but...but...
Here's the complete(?) list of Franklin's sockpuppets used on ACF
since July 2007 (65+ and rising) to deliberately deceive people:
-Mar/2008-:
Franklin <no-...@nntp.invalid>
Bare Bosoms <Bare.Bos...@gmail.com>
Nomen Nescio <nomen....@nomen.nescio>
-Feb/2008-:
Franklin <no_...@www.invalid>
-Jan/2008-:
Franklin-post7
-Dec/2007-:
cc to Hummy <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
"Franklin (ACF)" <fran...@nomail.invalid>
Frank to Humbug <fr...@mail.invalid>
"carbon copy -> Chris" <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
carbon copy to Humbug <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
"Frank (inc Humbug)" <fran...@nomail.invalid>
cc T0 Hummingberk <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
Poppinjay <no...@nowhere.invalid> (unconfirmed)
Cecil SeaSerpent <ce...@beanyland.net>
FrankIin writes <fran...@nomail.invalid>
4Hummingbird
The Angel of Evil <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
Franklin-post1
Franklin-post2
Franklin-post3
Franklin-post4
Franklin-post5
Franklin-post6
Humming brain <frankl...@no.mail.invalid>
-Oct/2007-:
The Angel of Evil
-July 2007-:
Franklin .
Franklin.
Frankli n
To Laurie
Franklin to hummingbird
coco
Franklin ZORG
<frank...@no.mail.please>
<frank...@no.mail>
[each of the above used one of the e-mail addies]
Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@no.no.to.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <fran....@no.spam.please>
[note the extra space added]
Franklin Smith <frank...@nope.to.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Srnith <frnk...@no.spam.please>
[note letters rn used to look like m]
Franklin Smith <frank...@onspam.please>
Franklin Smith <fran...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@no.sparm.please>
Franklin Smith <frahk...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@smith.spam.please>
Franklin Srnith <frank...@no.to.all.spam.please>
[note letters rn used to look like m]
Franklin Smith <ffrraan...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank...@no.spam.please>
Franklin S <frank....@his.PC.invalid>
Franklin Smith <frann...@no.to.spam.please>
Franklin <frank....@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank.sa...@no.spam.please>
Franklin Smith <frank....@no.place>
Franklin Smith <frank...@only.spam.is.killed>
Franklin likes freeware <frank...@no.mail.please>
Franklin <frankl...@no.mail.please>
Franklin <frankl...@gmail.com>
Franklin <frank...@no.mail.please>
hummingbird
On Sun, 23 Mar 2008 02:31:38 GMT 'Franklin'
wrote this on hamster.en.misc:
>Please stop getting so animated. Incred was asking about how to
>read various headers and the examples he used happened to be your
>headers. That's no big deal.
Rotfl. Your lies get bigger and bigger Franklin.
This will tell other readers all they need to know about the Usenet
troll and troublemaker called Franklin. First, a sample of comments
made to Franklin by posters on <alt.comp.freeware>:
"Goodbye Franklin.
There will be no further contact."
...a poster on acf 26-Nov-2007
"Too slimy to touch. Bye forever Franklin."
...a poster on acf 22-Nov-2007
"I filter out ALL posts from Franklin and ALL replies to him."
...a poster on acf 12-Jan-2008
Now his list of sockpuppets used in the past 9 months:
Wolfgang Jäth
>
>>> I agree Wolfgang ...but your comments are better directed at the
>>> American poster iNcReDuLoUs who started this thread several months
>>> ago
>
>>He *asked* a Hamster related question.
>
> That is true and your response was genuine and well-intended.
> But as you have since discovered his questions were for the
> nefarious purpose of stalking me
Him stalking you is an assertion, I can neither confirm nor deny; and I'm
not interested in investigating it.
>and trying to find out what s/w I
> use to post on Usenet.
He's curious; I am sometimes, too. So what?
>He is one of a small group of troublemakers
> on another newsgroup who fabricate lies about other people and make
> allegations for which they don't have a scintilla of evidence. What
> they *think* is true miraculously becomes true in their tiny deluded
> minds.
Because of lack of knowledge (and btw. lack of interest, too), I can neither
confirm nor deny this assertion, too.
> If you can explain to me how I can rebutt a post on this newsgroup
> made by another user, without posting onto this newsgroup myself,
> I'd like to know. This newsgroup has become unwittingly dragged
> into a heated debate
Yes: By you (see <news:cece3c0c770db328...@lh.127.0.0.1>).
>- but it is what iNcReDuLoUs and his mentor
> Franklin do quite often; they enjoy creating cross-group flame wars.
And *I* enjoy this hierarchy being polite and clean. If iNcReDuLoUs,
Franclin, you or anyone else is trying to disturb this, I will watch for
only a short time.
>>>I have no control over his rubbish posts.
>>
>>But you have control over /your/ rubbish posts. And I (or better said my
>>reader) remembers very well, that /you/ were the one in this hierarchy,
>>who
>>started slanderous and scurrile postings.
>
> That's absolute rubbish Wolfgang.
No; it's serious.
>If you read my comments above,
> you might understand more about the unfortunate situation which you
> have walked into.
*I* haven't walked into any 'situation'. *You* came to here with slanderous
behaviour, and I simply tell you that this kind of behaviour is not welcome
here. And I will tell this anyone else, too, if necessary. EOD.
>It's not your fault but it's not mine either.
From my point of view, it is (see above mentioned MID).
>>Anyway, I addressed my article to *everyone* of you *both*.
>
> Yes, and I pointed out to you that my posts were only responding
> to the stalking posts made by iNcReDuLoUs.
I can't - and I will not - decide who's stalking whom; for me, it looks like
*you* were stalking *him* as well. Remember, he was politely asking a
relevant question; you were the one who posted an insulting reply.
I estimate you according what *you* did here, as well as I estimate others
what *they* did. What others did or not did, anywhere else, before or after,
doesn't matter.
> --
> Franklin's whopping BIG LIE of 2007:
> "I do not post with deliberate and misleading errors"
> <Franklin>, ACF, 23-Nov-2007
>
> ...but...but...but...
>
> Here's the complete(?) list of Franklin's sockpuppets used on ACF
> since July 2007 (65+ and rising) to deliberately deceive people:
Do you know, what a rice sack syndrome is? It is, when something is exactly
as interesting as a sack of rice somewhere in China toppling over.
With your signature content, I *have* a rice sack syndrome ...
Maybe except for the fact that it's longer than the stongly suggested 4
lines. I'd like to suggest you to shorten it, while posting here into this
hierarchy. Else someone might rank repeatings as 'advertising the same
service' i.e. spam. And that would not be in your interest, I think. Keep in
mind, here is a technical hierarchy, so several things might be taken more
strictly.
Wolfgang
--
hummingbird
On Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:59:17 +0100 'Wolfgang Jäth'
wrote this on hamster.en.misc:
-snip-
>I can't - and I will not - decide who's stalking whom; for me, it looks like
>*you* were stalking *him* as well. Remember, he was politely asking a
>relevant question; you were the one who posted an insulting reply.
Wolfgang, of course iNcReDuLoUs came here and asked his question
politely. Would you expect him to have arrived here and demanded
immediate service without saying please? Of course not.
If you saw the way iNcReDuLoUs behaves on other groups, you would
not have doubts about his sinister intent.
Is it not suspicious to you that all the MIDs he quoted were mine?
Is it not suspicious that he concluded by saying: "You've helped
with the "how"; the "why" will probably remain a mystery."
...as if it is any business of his what s/w another user uses?
Doesn't any of that ring alarm bells?
Let me summarise this debate by confirming my previous assertions.
Armed with the information provided by you, iNcReDuLoUs has now
made a post on the other newsgroup giving full details **according
to him** of all the software I use to post onto Usenet.
That *is* what his original intention was and he has now done it.
Did you doubt that my assertions were correct?
However, the last laugh is on him because he got his facts wrong
but that's by-the-by. The nefarious intent was there.
Let us bring this to an end for now.
kind regards.