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Stephan February

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Feb 11, 2012, 5:26:34 AM2/11/12
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Hi

I have recently become interested in aquaponics and would like to build a small test setup. If anyone has an unused aquarium tank to donate, i would really appreciate it. Findings would be shared freely and even an eventual demo at HSG would be arranged.

Cheers
Stephan

Tamas Herman

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Feb 11, 2012, 10:24:01 AM2/11/12
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where would u build it?

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Stephan February

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Feb 11, 2012, 10:30:37 AM2/11/12
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The HSG lab would be ideal, but it's a little dark for sustaining life :)
I was going to build at home and just do in-principle demo not
involving actual live creatures at HSG, but i'm open to suggestions.
To be honest building this does not require an aquarium, but I think
it will look prettier :)

Stephan

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Tamas Herman

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Feb 11, 2012, 11:37:34 AM2/11/12
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hmm… so it would just be a study? like a mockup? so u can explain the concept in 3d w tangible objects which are actually moving water but nothing more?
there is one guy in hungary who just got famous because of his aquaponic experiment, so thats why i know about the topic at all.
http://index.hu/video/2012/01/05/akvaponia/ u can see his video here. he explained how the water tanks are positioned on the north side to act as heat capacitors. he is collecting data too. i was thinking about asking him to share that data… he was talking about operation costs too, etc.

it seems pretty smart, although it raises a couple of questions.
what's the goal for example, the fish or the vegetable?
would it scale? in comment of some articles ppl said, sure, it's a pretty well established technique.
but *should* it scale? or the point is actually to build a more distributed food supply system? it could be more resistant to failure. it would be more transparent to the community. etc etc.

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On Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Stephan February wrote:

> The HSG lab would be ideal, but it's a little dark for sustaining life :)
> I was going to build at home and just do in-principle demo not
> involving actual live creatures at HSG, but i'm open to suggestions.
> To be honest building this does not require an aquarium, but I think
> it will look prettier :)
>
> Stephan
>

> On 11 Feb, 2012, at 23:24, Tamas Herman <herma...@gmail.com (mailto:herma...@gmail.com)> wrote:
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> > where would u build it?
> >
> >
> >
> > On Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Stephan February wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > I have recently become interested in aquaponics and would like to build a small test setup. If anyone has an unused aquarium tank to donate, i would really appreciate it. Findings would be shared freely and even an eventual demo at HSG would be arranged.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Stephan
> > >
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Stephan February

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Feb 11, 2012, 2:35:45 PM2/11/12
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Hi Tamas

The small-scale system I intend to build needs to have some living creatures in it. I want to build a small-scale balanced system where the symbiosis between aquatic and hydroponic creatures are stable.

Aquaponics scale incredibly well. For commercial production the point is usually to harvest both fish and plants. Check out this commercial facility which is currently being brought online in Thailand :


Here's a guy in Malaysia doing some amazing stuff in his backyard. Check out his older posts. He has recently completely dismantled his system while his house is renovated, but the system was pretty awesome at it's peak.


I've got a bit of space at home. My initial goal would be to focus on growing herbs in a small setup. But I'd like to push as far as I can go, so maybe a little freshwater prawn tank, some tilapia and some basic veggies. But thats a *long* way off. Right now I want to proof the concept and manage to keep some small creatures alive for a few months before becoming adventurous :-) 

I've been absolutely amazed at how well the concept is doing for small-scale backyard farming. My only concern in SG is the quality of the air and whatever the rain washes out of the air. My floors outside are always covered in black industrial soot/dust which I *dont* want in my food. So I would also intend to try to keep things as clean as possible, and see about laboratory food testing before actually setting anything on the table.

I don't know if this will revolutionize the food supply chain, but it's high-density potential is certainly exciting for the urban gardener. Who knows, perhaps at some point you and I can take a trip to your farm in Thailand and do some magic over there ;-)

Cheers
Stephan

Denisa Kera

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Feb 12, 2012, 12:56:29 PM2/12/12
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No that I recommend this as a solution but still, the most original
aquaponic system is N=1=NPK=KIMCHI=N by Jae Rhim Lee
http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2007/07/-n1npkkimchin-i.php
but also the amazing project by
Andy Gracie http://www.bokashicomposting.com/nitrogen-fixation-a-story-from-radiolab/
:-)
and we should not forget the http://www.biomodd.net/

DK


On Feb 12, 3:35 am, Stephan February <stephan.febru...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hi Tamas
>
> The small-scale system I intend to build needs to have some living creatures in it. I want to build a small-scale balanced system where the symbiosis between aquatic and hydroponic creatures are stable.
>
> Aquaponics scale incredibly well. For commercial production the point is usually to harvest both fish and plants. Check out this commercial facility which is currently being brought online in Thailand :
>
> http://www.youtube.com/user/GreenEvolutions
>
> Here's a guy in Malaysia doing some amazing stuff in his backyard. Check out his older posts. He has recently completely dismantled his system while his house is renovated, but the system was pretty awesome at it's peak.
>
> http://affnan-aquaponics.blogspot.com/
>
> I've got a bit of space at home. My initial goal would be to focus on growing herbs in a small setup. But I'd like to push as far as I can go, so maybe a little freshwater prawn tank, some tilapia and some basic veggies. But thats a *long* way off. Right now I want to proof the concept and manage to keep some small creatures alive for a few months before becoming adventurous :-)
>
> I've been absolutely amazed at how well the concept is doing for small-scale backyard farming. My only concern in SG is the quality of the air and whatever the rain washes out of the air. My floors outside are always covered in black industrial soot/dust which I *dont* want in my food. So I would also intend to try to keep things as clean as possible, and see about laboratory food testing before actually setting anything on the table.
>
> I don't know if this will revolutionize the food supply chain, but it's high-density potential is certainly exciting for the urban gardener. Who knows, perhaps at some point you and I can take a trip to your farm in Thailand and do some magic over there ;-)
>
> Cheers
> Stephan
>
> On Feb 12, 2012, at 12:37 AM, Tamas Herman wrote:
>
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>
>
>
>
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> > hmm… so it would just be a study? like a mockup? so u can explain the concept in 3d w tangible objects which are actually moving water but nothing more?
> > there is one guy in hungary who just got famous because of his aquaponic experiment, so thats why i know about the topic at all.
> >http://index.hu/video/2012/01/05/akvaponia/u can see his video here. he explained how the water tanks are positioned on the north side to act as heat capacitors. he is collecting data too. i was thinking about asking him to share that data… he was talking about operation costs too, etc.
>
> > it seems pretty smart, although it raises a couple of questions.
> > what's the goal for example, the fish or the vegetable?
> > would it scale? in comment of some articles ppl said, sure, it's a pretty well established technique.
> > but *should* it scale? or the point is actually to build a more distributed food supply system? it could be more resistant to failure. it would be more transparent to the community. etc etc.
>
> > --
> > tom
>
> > On Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Stephan February wrote:
>
> >> The HSG lab would be ideal, but it's a little dark for sustaining life :)
> >> I was going to build at home and just do in-principle demo not
> >> involving actual live creatures at HSG, but i'm open to suggestions.
> >> To be honest building this does not require an aquarium, but I think
> >> it will look prettier :)
>
> >> Stephan
>

Stephan February

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Feb 12, 2012, 1:06:56 PM2/12/12
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Thanks for the links Denisa!

The biomodd project looks awesome. And would you know it but I happen to have a large server rack sitting empty in my basement ! :)

Cheers
Stephan

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William Hooi

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Feb 12, 2012, 9:48:58 PM2/12/12
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Wow, the biomodd project is defnitely an inspiritng project. Always wanted to do something like that. I have tinkered with DIY hydroponics before so I would love to try it with discarded desktops/servers. Looking for collaborators or junk sponsors.

Stephan,
If you can pull off your aquaponics project by Jun/July, would love to invite you to participate in this year's Maker Faire to be held in early Aug at the Science Centre Singapore. :)

William



Stephan February

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Feb 12, 2012, 10:05:33 PM2/12/12
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On Feb 13, 2012, at 10:48 AM, William Hooi wrote:

> Stephan,
> If you can pull off your aquaponics project by Jun/July, would love to invite you to participate in this year's Maker Faire to be held in early Aug at the Science Centre Singapore. :)
>

'sounds good. I'll keep the list apprised of my progress :)

Cheers
Stephan

Alvin Jiang

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Feb 12, 2012, 10:10:06 PM2/12/12
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I have 2 6U P4 era quad xeon servers available free to anyone who would
care to pick them up. Still in working condition but more efficient as
room heaters than computing power. They will fit in a car but require 2
people to lift (not including me, the work supervisor).

> <mailto:stephan.febru...@gmail.com>>

> >>> hmm� so it would just be a study? like a mockup? so u can


> explain the concept in 3d w tangible objects which are actually
> moving water but nothing more?
> >>> there is one guy in hungary who just got famous because of his
> aquaponic experiment, so thats why i know about the topic at all.
> >>> http://index.hu/video/2012/01/05/akvaponia/u can see his video
> here. he explained how the water tanks are positioned on the north
> side to act as heat capacitors. he is collecting data too. i was

> thinking about asking him to share that data� he was talking about


> operation costs too, etc.
> >>
> >>> it seems pretty smart, although it raises a couple of questions.
> >>> what's the goal for example, the fish or the vegetable?
> >>> would it scale? in comment of some articles ppl said, sure, it's
> a pretty well established technique.
> >>> but *should* it scale? or the point is actually to build a more
> distributed food supply system? it could be more resistant to
> failure. it would be more transparent to the community. etc etc.
> >>
> >>> --
> >>> tom
> >>
> >>> On Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 11:30 PM, Stephan February wrote:
> >>
> >>>> The HSG lab would be ideal, but it's a little dark for
> sustaining life :)
> >>>> I was going to build at home and just do in-principle demo not
> >>>> involving actual live creatures at HSG, but i'm open to
> suggestions.
> >>>> To be honest building this does not require an aquarium, but I
> think
> >>>> it will look prettier :)
> >>
> >>>> Stephan
> >>
> >>>> On 11 Feb, 2012, at 23:24, Tamas Herman <hermanta...@gmail.com

> <mailto:hermanta...@gmail.com> (mailto:hermanta...@gmail.com


> <mailto:hermanta...@gmail.com>)> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> where would u build it?
> >>
> >>>>> On Saturday, February 11, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Stephan February wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> Hi
> >>
> >>>>>> I have recently become interested in aquaponics and would
> like to build a small test setup. If anyone has an unused aquarium
> tank to donate, i would really appreciate it. Findings would be
> shared freely and even an eventual demo at HSG would be arranged.
> >>
> >>>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>> Stephan
> >>
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> >>>>>> Chat:http://hackerspace.sg/chat
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Jeffrey 'jf' Lim

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Feb 12, 2012, 10:22:37 PM2/12/12
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Wow. I cant believe this discussion is moving along so nicely (or that
there is more than one person interested in aquaponics that i know
of!). I dont have any practical experience (i stopped at the design
stage), but i thought opaque containers are preferred, because of the
algae problem.

-jf

Stephan February

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Feb 12, 2012, 10:29:21 PM2/12/12
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Hi Jeffrey

Algae typically is not a problem for aquaponics. The balanced ecosystem results in the water being naturally cleansed by the hydroponic growbed and all the beneficial bacteria that take hold there.
In fact, there is apparently a specific type of algae called "duckweed" which makes an excellent fish food. Some aquaponic systems I've seen incorporate a small "pond" for growing duckweed to feed the fish !

Cheers
Stephan

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Ciaran Lyons

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Feb 12, 2012, 10:59:25 PM2/12/12
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Awesome links, Denisa.

We're doing some hydroponics in vertical gardens at our offices, but the environment (air con, poor light) is proving to be a bit of a challenge. If there are any growers/farmers on the list that can give advice, it would be gladly received and I can pay you from a future harvest!

Version 1: No plant survived repotting :(


Stephan, keep us posted on the aquaponics project.

Cheers,
Ciaran

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William Hooi

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Feb 13, 2012, 5:06:43 AM2/13/12
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Hi Alvin,
I'd love to get hold of those servers. Let me know how. Thanks.
William

>     >>> hmm… so it would just be a study? like a mockup? so u can

>     explain the concept in 3d w tangible objects which are actually
>     moving water but nothing more?
>     >>> there is one guy in hungary who just got famous because of his
>     aquaponic experiment, so thats why i know about the topic at all.
>     >>> http://index.hu/video/2012/01/05/akvaponia/u can see his video
>     here. he explained how the water tanks are positioned on the north
>     side to act as heat capacitors. he is collecting data too. i was
>     thinking about asking him to share that data… he was talking about

Denisa Kera

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Feb 13, 2012, 6:35:51 PM2/13/12
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July for some serious DIY aqua,hydro,vertical, crazy-ponics would be
perfect for me...

This November I was at a workshop with Natalie Jeremijenko and still
have her agbags to plant something, I promised to do it... so if
Newton wants to try a different system let's experiment
http://curatingcities.org/workshops/farmacy-agbag-workshop/
http://environmentalhealthclinic.net/farmacy/blog/2011/06/22/famacy-clinical-trial-at-postmasters-gallery/

Also we could connect out plants/fish with some Arduinos
I also had a chance to interact with these people in the Autumn and
love their project, have the seeds somewhere....
http://codedcultures.com/post/refarm-the-city

Florian Cornu can introduce us to a real fish hacker out there who
does professional aquaponic systems!

Maybe the Botanic garden will give us some nice space for workshop, I
love the Science Center but it is too far...
> >http://www.we-make-money-not-art.com/archives/2007/07/-n1npkkimchin-i...
> > >     > but also the amazing project by
> > >     > Andy Gracie
>
> >http://www.bokashicomposting.com/nitrogen-fixation-a-story-from-radio...
> > >     > :-)
> > >     > and we should not forget thehttp://www.biomodd.net/
> > >     >>>http://index.hu/video/2012/01/05/akvaponia/ucan see his video

Ciaran Lyons

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Feb 13, 2012, 8:29:07 PM2/13/12
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We'd love to set up the agbags - I think it would be great to have a couple of competing systems for food production. And we'd definitely be interested in some x-ponics in July.

Barry

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Feb 14, 2012, 10:42:55 PM2/14/12
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Hi Claran,

Me and my wife are in the beginning of creating a vertical garden / window farm (http://our.windowfarms.org/instructions_dev/), but have no idea where to get parts (tubing, small plants), we already bought an air pump at DealExtreme.
It looks like you found all the parts needed :) Where did you buy these parts?

Thanks!

Barry

Ciaran Lyons

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Feb 14, 2012, 10:51:06 PM2/14/12
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Various hardware stores, the hydroponics place and growing plants from seeds. Why don't you swing by our office in the CBD some day and I can tell you about the tricks we used and the supplies we ended up with. My details are below if you want to arrange a time.

Cheers,
C.


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