Who is interested in using Hackerspace as a corporate umbrella to bill clients?

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Flo.

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Jul 18, 2011, 12:28:00 AM7/18/11
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As per a recent post, http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspacesg/browse_thread/thread/e202ea29c65b12a
, I see that the idea of an entity available for members to bill
through hackerspace has been around...

Please answer if you would have been interested by such a service, and/
or would still be interested today. Once we are a few people, we can
make it happen!

Martin

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Jul 18, 2011, 7:01:09 AM7/18/11
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Hmm sounds interesting indeed!


Benjamin Scherrey

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Jul 18, 2011, 7:17:01 AM7/18/11
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I'd be real concerned about being a billing entity for others - members or otherwise - without a very clear legal remedy for any liabilities. Say someone fails to perform and the payer wants his money back? He's gonna sue the entity that he paid for sure. Such a thing would have to be structured in a very careful and transparent manner that doesn't put the rest of the hackerspace.sg organization at risk.

  -- Ben

Hmm sounds interesting indeed!

Alvin Jiang

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Jul 18, 2011, 8:06:00 AM7/18/11
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It would be completely separate, paying a "licence fee" back to the
not-for-profit for use of name and space.

On 18/07/2011 7:17 PM, Benjamin Scherrey wrote:
> I'd be real concerned about being a billing entity for others - members
> or otherwise - without a very clear legal remedy for any liabilities.
> Say someone fails to perform and the payer wants his money back? He's
> gonna sue the entity that he paid for sure. Such a thing would have to
> be structured in a very careful and transparent manner that doesn't put

> the rest of the hackerspace.sg <http://hackerspace.sg> organization at risk.


>
> -- Ben
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Martin <martin.b...@googlemail.com
> <mailto:martin.b...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hmm sounds interesting indeed!
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Flo. <floria...@gmail.com
> <mailto:floria...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> As per a recent post,
> http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspacesg/browse_thread/thread/e202ea29c65b12a
> , I see that the idea of an entity available for members to bill
> through hackerspace has been around...
>
> Please answer if you would have been interested by such a
> service, and/
> or would still be interested today. Once we are a few people, we can
> make it happen!
>
> --
> Chat: http://hackerspace.sg/chat
>
>
> --
> Chat: http://hackerspace.sg/chat
>
>

> --
> Chat: http://hackerspace.sg/chat

Juanita

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Jul 18, 2011, 9:44:27 AM7/18/11
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Even with a license fee you need a contract that clearly defines the
entity as a third party which accepts no liability for a failure of
the individual to perform. I don't know what companies would contract
with the company if the company had no liability.

You also need to be careful not to be assessed as an employment
agency. That carries a hefty fine. To be a legal employment agency or
search firm requires a sizable share capital, banker's guarantee and
other compliance before you get certified to 'sell' services of
individuals or receive a commission or finders fee for completion of
contracts as one of your revenue streams.

Your definition of the business as a service provider earning a
license fee would be irrelevant to what MOM assesses the business to
be.

I've had a client get a sizable fine for this - just above 5 figures.
Ouch ouch!

On Jul 18, 8:06 pm, Alvin Jiang <aji...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It would be completely separate, paying a "licence fee" back to the
> not-for-profit for use of name and space.
>
> On 18/07/2011 7:17 PM, Benjamin Scherrey wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'd be real concerned about being a billing entity for others - members
> > or otherwise - without a very clear legal remedy for any liabilities.
> > Say someone fails to perform and the payer wants his money back? He's
> > gonna sue the entity that he paid for sure. Such a thing would have to
> > be structured in a very careful and transparent manner that doesn't put
> > the rest of the hackerspace.sg <http://hackerspace.sg> organization at risk.
>
> >    -- Ben
>
> > On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Martin <martin.brochh...@googlemail.com
> > <mailto:martin.brochh...@googlemail.com>> wrote:
>
> >     Hmm sounds interesting indeed!
>
> >     On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Flo. <florian.co...@gmail.com
> >     <mailto:florian.co...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> >         As per a recent post,
> >        http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspacesg/browse_thread/thread/e20...

Patrick Haller

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Jul 18, 2011, 10:37:30 AM7/18/11
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On Mon, Jul 18, 2011 at 06:44:27AM -0700, Juanita wrote:
>
> You also need to be careful not to be assessed as an employment
> agency. That carries a hefty fine. To be a legal employment agency or
> search firm requires a sizable share capital, banker's guarantee and
> other compliance before you get certified to 'sell' services of
> individuals or receive a commission or finders fee for completion of
> contracts as one of your revenue streams.

Wow; Maybe there is an exception for all the little maid agencies around?
A bunch seem too small to have jumped a bunch of hurdles, especially
share capital. Or maybe they're not exactly legit?


Patrick

Junhao

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Jul 18, 2011, 10:53:07 AM7/18/11
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The best reference may be the business center method of operations. Or
the paypal model.

Junhao

Juanita

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Jul 18, 2011, 11:13:20 AM7/18/11
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On Jul 18, 10:37 pm, Patrick Haller <patrick.hal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Wow; Maybe there is an exception for all the little maid agencies around?
> A bunch seem too small to have jumped a bunch of hurdles, especially
> share capital. Or maybe they're not exactly legit?

Could be a combination of not legit and some actually have alot of
cash in shares and BG, they just dont spend it on the welfare of the
maids themselves.
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