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More options Jun 25 2012, 9:41 pm

From: Joel Byrnes <fatal.exception.occur...@gmail.com>

Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 11:41:24 +1000

Local: Mon, Jun 25 2012 9:41 pm

Subject: Re: Macs

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Depends what you're trying to do. Scrolling with two fingers on a mac
touchpad is bliss. It makes scroll wheels or worse, the awkward scroll at
the side of a touchpad seem so antiquated.

That's about all I use though, but I know there are three and four finger
gestures.

On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Dylan Lacey <quad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Since this thread has devolved into subjectives and opinion, I *loathe*
> gestures on a touchpad. I've been using them with a mouse for Opera for
> years, but on a touchpad they just feel clunky. I much prefer to click and
> drag on the Mac touchpads.

> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:21 AM, Luke Hovington <lu...@hovo.id.au> wrote:

>> The only reason (I think) Mac have kept the button now everything is
>> touch pads, would be windows.
>> I rarely use the click on my computers these days, it's all touch and
>> gestures ;)

>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:15 AM, Joel Byrnes
>> <fatal.exception.occur...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Macs have two buttons now but now it looks like they don't have ANY.
>> Many
>> > apps still do nothing with right click.

>> > That's kind of the Mac philosophy - one big button marked FIX ALLLLL THE
>> > PROBLEMS.

>> > Usually works, but if it doesn't? .... nowhere to go from there.

>> > Linux: <STACK TRACE>. fix it yourself (ie trawl through forums).
>> > Windows: we detected a problem, tried to fix it and crashed. Reinstall.
>> Oh,
>> > you wanted your settings? Fuck you.

>> > On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 11:07 AM, tjhowse <tjho...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >> That would be hard. There's only one.

>> >> lololllolololo

>> >> All my my anti-mac jokes are 10 years out of date.

>> >> On 26 June 2012 11:04, Joel Byrnes <fatal.exception.occur...@gmail.com

>> >> wrote:

>> >>> Lemming must be pressing the button wrong.

>> >>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:54 AM, Ben Cooper
>> >>> <bcoo...@cooperanderson.com.au> wrote:

>> >>>> Having worked with macs for the best part of the last 2 years, Repair
>> >>>> Permissions never broke a single one of our macs...

>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 10:06 AM, Lemming . <inert...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

>> >>>>> I'm not really pro or anti, I wouldn't buy one myself as I hate the
>> >>>>> epic levels of vendor lock in they are now doing, but that said I
>> wouldn't
>> >>>>> say no if someone were going to buy me one or someone I know was
>> buying one.

>> >>>>> On 26 June 2012 09:55, Joel Byrnes <
>> fatal.exception.occur...@gmail.com>
>> >>>>> wrote:

>> >>>>>> lovely. this is a great pro-mac thread, isn't it? sorry :P

>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Lemming . <inert...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

>> >>>>>>> Having worked at Apple tech support, I saw far more cases where
>> >>>>>>> repair permissions broke shit than fixed it.

>> >>>>>>> On 26 June 2012 09:29, Joshua Hogendorn <jhogend...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> fyi i've never had repair permissions break anything. not saying
>> its
>> >>>>>>>> not possible but its not likely

>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> Joshua Hogendorn
>> >>>>>>>> PH: 0407710007

>> >>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 26 June 2012 at 9:26 AM, Lemming . wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> Be warned, "Repair Permissions" also has a horrible habit of
>> >>>>>>>> breaking things.

>> >>>>>>>> Basically it tries to set all the permissions back to OS
>> defaults,
>> >>>>>>>> so if any of your applications have special permissions it will
>> likely break
>> >>>>>>>> them. Also it tends to break custom shared folders etc.

>> >>>>>>>> On 26 June 2012 08:50, Joel Byrnes
>> >>>>>>>> <fatal.exception.occur...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> Oh wow, it fixed heaps of stuff... won't know till I get home if
>> it
>> >>>>>>>> has fixed the problem though.

>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:45 AM, Joel Byrnes
>> >>>>>>>> <fatal.exception.occur...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> When I say copy I used Carbon Copy Cloner which is supposed to
>> do it
>> >>>>>>>> correctly... but I'll try it, thanks.

>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 8:39 AM, James Hodgkinson
>> >>>>>>>> <yale...@ricetek.net> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> Go into disk utility and do the "Repair permissions" thing under
>> >>>>>>>> First Aid for the volume... fixes a lot of issues.

>> >>>>>>>> James

>> >>>>>>>> On 26 June 2012 08:37, Joel Byrnes
>> >>>>>>>> <fatal.exception.occur...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> Nah, 10.6.8, I read about the 10.7 problems though. The problem I
>> >>>>>>>> have is that it is unable to authenticate with any windows
>> shares on windows
>> >>>>>>>> or mac. The other end says it doesn't know the user.

>> >>>>>>>> This started happening around the time a) my mac mini's hard
>> drive
>> >>>>>>>> died, and I had to go through a painful recovery process which
>> was made
>> >>>>>>>> easier by the Time Machine backup, and b) I upgraded my laptop's
>> hard drive
>> >>>>>>>> to 750gb by copying all the files to a newer drive. It's
>> possible something
>> >>>>>>>> got missed in the move.

>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 7:23 PM, Ben Cooper
>> >>>>>>>> <bcoo...@cooperanderson.com.au> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> Hence why I am still running SL still they fix samba.

>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:37 PM, James Hodgkinson
>> >>>>>>>> <yale...@ricetek.net> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> On the windows shares, are you running 10.7? They broke smb bad
>> >>>>>>>> after 10.6 :(

>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 25, 2012 6:31 PM, "Joel Byrnes"
>> >>>>>>>> <fatal.exception.occur...@gmail.com> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> I originally got a mac-mini try it out, and use it as a
>> low-power,
>> >>>>>>>> quiet TV box and server, since it was fairly cheap ($600
>> refurb). When I
>> >>>>>>>> needed a new laptop I got a macbook, again because I got a cheap
>> refurb for
>> >>>>>>>> $1050, that was a decent price and specs for a portable
>> development machine.
>> >>>>>>>> I still use Windows on my main PC at home for non-development.

>> >>>>>>>> It's good because:
>> >>>>>>>> * linux is the best for software development, mac has unix so
>> it's
>> >>>>>>>> familiar and many things are directly portable.
>> >>>>>>>> * unlike linux things generally "just work" like media, browsers,
>> >>>>>>>> connectivity. no need to fuck around because a
>> kernel/X/gcc/gdm/ssh/samba
>> >>>>>>>> update broke things.
>> >>>>>>>> * unlike windows it rarely has a fatal error (external hardware
>> >>>>>>>> usually), actually suspends and hibernates and resumes properly,
>> and has
>> >>>>>>>> proper memory management so no chugging.
>> >>>>>>>> * a built-in backup system that actually works really well - Time
>> >>>>>>>> Machine.

>> >>>>>>>> It's not good because:
>> >>>>>>>> * it's not actually linux, so you can't fix some things if you
>> >>>>>>>> wanted to. and there are many drivers and programs that don't
>> compile easily
>> >>>>>>>> or at all.
>> >>>>>>>> * fewer games than windows (?). runs dosbox though.
>> >>>>>>>> * the fucking bizzare bug I have now where I can't connect to any
>> >>>>>>>> windows shares on pc or mac, there is virtually no logging and
>> forums are
>> >>>>>>>> full of hordes of clueless noobs. which stops me using the
>> aforementioned
>> >>>>>>>> backup system at the moment.

>> >>>>>>>> It might make your life better if you don't have to worry about
>> >>>>>>>> those windows and linux foibles. It's more expensive, but you
>> have to decide
>> >>>>>>>> if that time is worth the money. (stability and time savings not
>> guaranteed)

>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 3:46 PM, Mark Harrison
>> >>>>>>>> <boffina...@boffincentral.com> wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> You really need to find a reason to move. I had a particular
>> reason
>> >>>>>>>> that I needed a Mac (iOS development) but otherwise, its okay.
>> There are
>> >>>>>>>> certain things I really like but overall, it's still just a
>> computer. It
>> >>>>>>>> won't make your life better.
>> >>>>>>>> [Shields Up:true]; // :)

>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:08:54 PM UTC+10, dansxmods wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> Evening All,

>> >>>>>>>> I am at the moment a PC boy but am considering swapping over to
>> the
>> >>>>>>>> white side, I only want to get something cheap just to see if I
>> like the
>> >>>>>>>> fruit flavoured computing. I have been looking on ebay trying to
>> find
>> >>>>>>>> something that would suit, but am not sure what is good/bad. I
>> know that
>> >>>>>>>> quite a few of the HSBNE members are Apple users I was hoping
>> that I could
>> >>>>>>>> get some advice like what to look out for good or bad. Also if
>> anyone has an
>> >>>>>>>> Apple that they want to sell let me know.

>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>> >>>>>>>> Daniel Fielding
>> >>>>>>>> 0418782589

>> >>>>>>>> On Sunday, June 24, 2012 7:08:54 PM UTC+10, dansxmods wrote:

>> >>>>>>>> Evening All,

>> >>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>> Kind Regards,
>> >>>>>>>> Daniel Fielding
>> >>>>>>>> 0418782589

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