Received: by 10.14.173.68 with SMTP id u44mr16664834eel.3.1346743923978; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:32:03 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: hackerspace_brisbane@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.14.194.70 with SMTP id l46ls1950355een.9.gmail; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.173.68 with SMTP id u44mr16664820eel.3.1346743923198; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.14.173.68 with SMTP id u44mr16664819eel.3.1346743923167; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from mail-bk0-f50.google.com (mail-bk0-f50.google.com [209.85.214.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q3si3760628bkv.1.2012.09.04.00.32.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:32:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of andrewhoad...@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.50; Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of andrewhoad...@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=andrewhoad...@gmail.com; dkim=pass header...@gmail.com Received: by bkwj5 with SMTP id j5so2403040bkw.9 for ; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:32:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=MsPk0KyDqTm08vl1TUnkwTtTGVbPjiBx7s7MQosmIA4=; b=rL4t0UqzSfq3Z/Fc+89KfcOIplKWocv1cCsKEmZewWWXhXvToC3KQO9Zr28nR5pyn/ fa6S8uSuMHL6y/zJGHwhGiq0n5nWCznGwzFVgdAyVbZPMb0TcpP0wJORjOqp1pXwui6g +cm0EmO6H5R01gUyUYwDqNyQ1OlcsOgEEjV7zcDeEQlubhyDhCGjUpryySn/axbYVV++ tC9wAKapxECA3M3I6c49SJyylZfP1oMV2z2gqtKASNgzpOJhtbtgmCTU9CDuV01O8Hh+ jq77zNfOPRcgz8uKMX32IsFznoNNO0K6lxvJn9yeTMVQimzEvv1CqLSz7n8B2jllQBsi r5dg== MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.128.65 with SMTP id j1mr7630451bks.93.1346743922542; Tue, 04 Sep 2012 00:32:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.172.68 with HTTP; Tue, 4 Sep 2012 00:32:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <288d6f14-317a-4827-9fb8-97b59189694c@googlegroups.com> <0B9888C4-26D5-477F-9B0C-2CDF5D07A...@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 17:32:02 +1000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: painfully simple batch file <---my memmory fails me From: andrew hoadley To: hackerspace_brisbane@googlegroups.com Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015174be3021b478a04c8db414f --0015174be3021b478a04c8db414f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Dan Ariely's book "Predictably irrational" posits that we have two different measuring sticks for social / family situations versus business ones. ie Social norms and Market norms. Having a friend or relative ask you to fix their computer starts mixing these two in ways that can become uncomfortable. Imagine standing up after a great christmas dinner with family, getting your wallet out and saying "That was great Mum, will forty bucks cover it?". Another thing that gets me with this is that as soon as you agree to help, you gain ownership of every single problem with it from now to eternity. How often have you heard "It wasn't doing that until you started fiddling with it". Of course it was, but their senses are heightened since you touched it, because they are now looking for problems. I just thank god I didn't decide to become a proctologist. On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Jimmy Bowler wrote: > Yeah I suppose I should have mentioned I only charge a token amount for > the job I do but I always treat it more like a job in that respect. I just > do what people ask because trying to change someones habits or minds is not > worth the effort and sometimes it's like banging your head against wall. > (only electricians should do electical work) I just don't care enough to > change someones mind as everyone has some staunch opinions that won't be > swayed. I accept you have a differing opinion but if I drive an hr out of > my way to throw a triped circuit breaker or straighten roller door at my > mates place he atleast has to provide dinner. I am sure you are remunerated > for you work you do, I just decided to charge because in my family it is a > one way street most of the time and now they try and fix the pc before they > ring me. > > > > Jimmy > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Joel Byrnes < > fatal.exception.occur...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Well that's quite a different story, isn't it? If I was doing business, >> of course I would do what they ask, and also just suggest alternatives like >> a different approach or OS. >> >> I don't charge my family or friends, same as they don't charge me to >> borrow the trailer or tools or help me with things. And I want their lives >> to be better, not just make money from them indefinitely (as an IT support >> company might), so I do my best to make that happen rather than exactly >> what they ask for. I also want my life to be better, so I attempt to >> improve both our lives by reducing the need for tech support calls (and >> trips to Mt Tambourine). >> >> My mother is reasonably tech savvy but I have never even suggested she >> use Linux, because she uses mostly business apps, iTunes etc, so the >> solution is to continue to support her on Windows. Any time I have >> suggested she get a new LCD, upgrade to ADSL, get a new PC, she has >> resisted but once she does it she is so pleased at the improvement. >> >> I'm pretty sure my family and my wife's family would be more bothered if >> I charged for everything rather than tried to fix things the best way I can >> find, and I don't do it for tech purist or OS wars reasons. >> >> >> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jimmy Bowler wrote: >> >>> I use all sorts of os's I even had a phone call last week a 8million >>> dollar cardboard corrugator's pc would not boot on win 3.11 I was asked if >>> I could fix my answer was not "you must install linux" >>> >>> My family know I am a prick because I charge by the hr but they love me >>> because I do what they want not whatever I wanted to do. I even charge them >>> when I remote access in. >>> >>> My boss did get annoyed at me once as I booked 4hrs for when he phoned >>> me and asked me if I wanted to got the football. >>> >>> I run my 3d printer on wheezy and will use whatever software is at my >>> disposal the best one for the job or software that has been specified for >>> me to use. Lemming was right it is more about a I can attitude instead of a >>> why don't. >>> >>> >>> Jimmy >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:17 PM, David Lyon < >>> david.lyon.preissh...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> +1 on forcing ubuntu on users when they are too lazy/inactive >>>> to do stuff for themselves. >>>> >>>> I just installed ubuntu on a notebook for an African guy who >>>> nagged me into supplying an ex-lease notebook. >>>> >>>> It came with no OS. >>>> >>>> I loaded on Ubuntu. He nagged and said he wanted windows. >>>> >>>> I retorted, and said "Yes, but I thought you would understand >>>> Ubuntu being african and all". >>>> >>>> His answer was "ok then. It is very popular in africa". >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "hackerspace_brisbane" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>> hackerspace_brisbane@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> hackerspace_brisbane+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspace_brisbane?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "hackerspace_brisbane" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to >>> hackerspace_brisbane@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> hackerspace_brisbane+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspace_brisbane?hl=en. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "hackerspace_brisbane" group. >> To post to this group, send email to >> hackerspace_brisbane@googlegroups.com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> hackerspace_brisbane+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspace_brisbane?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "hackerspace_brisbane" group. > To post to this group, send email to hackerspace_brisbane@googlegroups.com > . > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > hackerspace_brisbane+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/hackerspace_brisbane?hl=en. > --0015174be3021b478a04c8db414f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dan Ariely's book "Predictably irrational" posits that we hav= e two different measuring sticks for social / family situations versus busi= ness ones. ie Social norms and Market norms. Having a friend or relative as= k you to fix their computer starts mixing these two in ways that can become= uncomfortable. Imagine standing up after a great christmas dinner with fam= ily, getting your wallet out and saying "That was great Mum, will fort= y bucks cover it?".

Another thing that gets me with this is that as soon as you = agree to help, you gain ownership of every single problem with it from now = to eternity. How often have you heard "It wasn't doing that until = you started fiddling with it". Of course it was, but their senses are = heightened since you touched it, because they are now looking for problems.=

I just thank god I didn't decide to become a procto= logist.


= On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Jimmy Bowler <denomina...@gmail.com> wrote:
Yeah I suppose I should have mentioned I onl= y charge a token amount for the job I do but I always treat it more like a = job in that respect. I just do what people ask because trying to change som= eones habits or minds is not worth the effort and sometimes it's like b= anging your head against wall. (only electricians should do electical work)= I just don't care enough to change someones mind as everyone has some = staunch opinions that won't be swayed. I accept you have a differing op= inion but if I drive an hr out of my way to throw a triped circuit breaker = or straighten roller door at my mates place he atleast has to provide dinne= r. I am sure you are remunerated for you work you do, I just decided to cha= rge because in my family it is a one way street most of the time and now th= ey try and fix the pc before they ring me.



Jimmy

=
On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 2:05 PM, Joel Byrnes = <fatal.exception.occur...@gmail.com> wrote:=
Well that's quite a different story, isn= 't it? If I was doing business, of course I would do what they ask, and= also just suggest alternatives like a different approach or OS.=A0

I don't charge my family or friends, same as they don= 9;t charge me to borrow the trailer or tools or help me with things. And I = want their lives to be better, not just make money from them indefinitely (= as an IT support company might), so I do my best to make that happen rather= than exactly what they ask for. I also want my life to be better, so I att= empt to improve both our lives by reducing the need for tech support calls = (and trips to Mt Tambourine).=A0

My mother is reasonably tech savvy but I have never eve= n suggested she use Linux, because she uses mostly business apps, iTunes et= c, so the solution is to continue to support her on Windows. Any time I hav= e suggested she get a new LCD, upgrade to ADSL, get a new PC, she has resis= ted but once she does it she is so pleased at the improvement.=A0

I'm pretty sure my family and my wife's family = would be more bothered if I charged for everything rather than tried to fix= things the best way I can find, and I don't do it for tech purist or O= S wars reasons.=A0


On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:55 PM, Jimmy Bowle= r <denomina...@gmail.com> wrote:
I use all sorts of os's I even had a phone call last week a 8million do= llar cardboard corrugator's pc would not boot on win 3.11 I was asked i= f I could fix my answer was not "you must install linux"

My family know I am a prick because I charge by the hr but they love me bec= ause I do what they want not whatever I wanted to do. I even charge them wh= en I remote access in.

My boss did get annoyed at me once as I book= ed 4hrs for when he phoned me and asked me if I wanted to got the football.=

I run my 3d printer on wheezy and will use whatever software is at my d= isposal the best one for the job or software that has been specified for me= to use. Lemming was right it is more about a I can attitude instead of a w= hy don't.


Jimmy




On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 12:17 PM, David Lyon <david.lyon= .preissh...@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 on forcing ubuntu on users when they are = too lazy/inactive
to do stuff for themselves.

I just installed ub= untu on a notebook for an African guy who
nagged me into supplying an ex-lease notebook.

It came with no OS.
I loaded on Ubuntu. He nagged and said he wanted windows.

I reto= rted, and said "Yes, but I thought you would understand
Ubuntu bein= g african and all".

His answer was "ok then. It is very po= pular in africa".


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