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Joshua Hogendorn  
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 More options Jun 24 2012, 9:46 am
From: Joshua Hogendorn <jhogend...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 23:46:12 +1000
Local: Sun, Jun 24 2012 9:46 am
Subject: Re: Motorbike Audio

So after a bit of thinky time, i've somewhat decided that this is perhaps the sanest option.
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/sena-smh-10-bluetooth-stereo-headset

with this kit to change it over to a sane boom mic setup:
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/sena-smh-10-helmet-clamp-kit-attac...

Thoughts?

As for interbike comms, 80 channel uhf cb sounds the way to go. The three main points there, however are:

External PTT
Ability to wire in to power source instead of internal battery
Some method in which to connect to bluetooth, built in or via adapter

The minor points after that are waterproofness and power.

My scheme is essentially to adapt the radio to bluetooth. the sena sr10 here http://www.senabluetooth.com/products/sr10.php?tab_menu=overview is the somewhat obvious choice, but its expensive and a little bit too much. perhaps theres something simpler? Having said that, the sr10 does give PTT ability so thats 2 birds with one stone.

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Joshua Hogendorn
PH: 0407710007

On Friday, 15 June 2012 at 7:46 PM, Joshua Hogendorn wrote:
> Oh man, you have no idea how deep I've plumbed this topic. Heres a short list. yes, I said short.

> First up you have your standard crappy bluetooth communicators:
> http://www.cardosystems.com/scala-rider/scala-rider-g9
> http://www.cardosystems.com/scala-rider/scala-rider-g4
> http://www.cardosystems.com/scala-rider/scala-rider-q2
> http://www.cardosystems.com/scala-rider/scala-rider-solo
> http://www.interphoneuk.com/products.html
> http://www.senabluetooth.com/products/smh5.php?tab_menu=overview
> http://interphoneusa.com/products/bluetooth-helmet-headsets/interphon...
> http://uclearstore.com/products/
> http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/midland-bt-next-headset-single-pack

> Then the slightly better all in one solutions:
> Chatterbox
> http://chatterboxusa.com/?page_id=37 (down?) [alt: http://www.amazon.com/ChatterBox-Slim-Universal-Communicator-Kit/dp/B...]

> Move up a bit and you get into modular setups:
> Autocom
> http://www.bluerim.com.au/autocom-systems/kit-l-1-single-logic-kit.html
> http://www.bluerim.com.au/autocom-systems/kit-spa-1-single-super-pro-...
> For bluetooth http://www.rocketmoto.com/index.php/products/bluetooth/autocom-blueto...
> Sena Hub
> http://www.senabluetooth.com/products/sr10.php?tab_menu=overview
> http://www.senabluetooth.com/products/sm10.php?tab_menu=overview
> http://www.senabluetooth.com/products/smh5.php?tab_menu=overview
> J&M Bare minimum:
> http://www.jmcorp.com/ProductDetail.asp?ProductID=HS-EBLU629EDR-FF
> either:
> http://www.jmcorp.com/ProductDetail.asp?ProductID=JBLU-BHDG06
> http://www.jmcorp.com/ProductDetail.asp?ProductID=JBLU-BHDG08
> BikerCom
> http://www.openroad.com.tw/BikerCom/main.html
> StarCom
> http://www.starcom1.com/world_price.htm (wired, needs bluetooth adapter)

> Then just miscellaneous:
> Intaride
> http://www.intaride.com/bike-to-bike-radio.html
> Nolan N-Com, for when you want it all built into the helmet
> http://www.revzilla.com/nolan-n-com-communications
> Police systems
> http://setcomcorp.com/motocomm.html

> Theres also options for piecemeal stuff:
> Headsets
> http://www.pciraceradios.com/CategoryProductList.jsp?cat=Helmet+Wirin...
> http://www.bajadesigns.com/Products/MOTORCYCLE_PRODUCTS/MOTORCYCLE_AC...

> My overwhelming conclusion is that all these things suffer from terrible marketing managers, as I have no idea on the difference between most of them (at a glance). Also that they're all incredibly mediocre.

> I think the ideal design for something like this is a lot simpler than what all these things do. a dumb bt4.0 helmet mount with standard sockets for mic/speakers. I was thinking a hard anodised enclosure, but that poses safety issues so probably just make the thing as simple and dumb and cheap as possible so you dont care if you smash it. The cost for a headset should be in the mic/speakers anyway. On the hub side, just give a pile of aux inputs in a standard plug and some easy way to prioritise them. Lastly, giant buttons on things, because gloves make you useless. BT pairing obv, and a minimum of AVRCP and A2DP. A lot of the linked above products come close but usually fail somewhere in some dumb flaw, like requiring a cable from helmet to bike, or only one aux input etc.

> last point, a lot of these will suck to keep charged if you're doing more than a day ride. I seriously wonder what they used on long way round?

> --
> Joshua Hogendorn
> PH: 0407710007

> On Friday, 15 June 2012 at 3:29 PM, Luke Hovington wrote:

> > I like the idea of uhf, but unsure on how well one can use it on a motor bike.
> > There is a product that hooks into a uhf radio and transmits it to
> > bluetooth comms..
> > http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/sena-sr10-bluetooth-two-way-radio-...

> > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Joshua Hogendorn <jhogend...@gmail.com (mailto:jhogend...@gmail.com)> wrote:
> > > While I think bluetooth is the answer for a Hub, I'm super hesitant on any
> > > tech which uses it for the actual communications. I'd much rather stick to
> > > uhf cb like james pointed out.

> > > --
> > > Joshua Hogendorn
> > > PH: 0407710007

> > > On Friday, 15 June 2012 at 9:58 AM, Luke Hovington wrote:

> > > My flat mate found these
> > > http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Motorcycle-Twin-Set-Bluetooth-Headset-Inte...

> > > The cost to feature ratio looks good for me, just need to decide if the
> > > quality is there..

> > > On Friday, June 15, 2012, George Patterson wrote:

> > > Same frequent allocation but smaller spacing. 12.5kHz rather than 25.

> > > From what I have just read, repeaters have needed to upgrade and I think the
> > > emergency frequency has changed.

> > > George

> > > On Jun 15, 2012 9:31 AM, "Ben Cooper" <bcoo...@cooperanderson.com.au (mailto:bcoo...@cooperanderson.com.au)> wrote:

> > > > 80 can talk to 40, same channels afaik.

> > > > On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Luke Hovington <lu...@hovo.id.au (mailto:lu...@hovo.id.au)> wrote:

> > > > > Very interesting, I wasn't aware there was a 80 channel version being
> > > > > release.

> > > > > Is it backwards compatible with the old 40 equipment?

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