Diversity statement vote

[Michael C. Harris]

A community and diversity policy for Habari has been discussed in a previous
thread[1]. The purpose of this email is to call a vote on whether we should
offically adopt the proposed statement[2]. Voting will be open for at least a
week.

+1 : accept the statement.
-1 : reject the statement.

[1]http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev/browse_thread/thread/dc2dd443db33cecc
[2]http://wiki.habariproject.org/en/Community_and_Diversity

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[Sean T Evans]

Michael C. Harris wrote:
> A community and diversity policy for Habari has been discussed in a previous
> thread[1]. The purpose of this email is to call a vote on whether we should
> offically adopt the proposed statement[2]. Voting will be open for at least a
> week.
>
> +1 : accept the statement.
> -1 : reject the statement.
>
> [1]http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev/browse_thread/thread/dc2dd443db33cecc
> [2]http://wiki.habariproject.org/en/Community_and_Diversity
>

Please vote in the thread on the -user mailing list so as to keep votes
together.

http://groups.google.com/group/habari-users/browse_thread/thread/a0a3a8c8095b22a6

[Mr. Matsu]

Vote: +1


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On Dec 3, 2009, at 9:33 PM, "Michael C. Harris" <michael...@gmail.com

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[Josh Wood]

-1. I fail to understand why a piece of software needs a political manifesto.

-Josh

PS - I did read Sean's point of procedure, but I'm not a member of -users.

[Michael C. Harris]

2009/12/4 Josh Wood <jos...@gmail.com>:

> -1. I fail to understand why a piece of software needs a political manifesto.

Noted, thanks.

I don't think Habari is just a piece of software, it's a community. When groups
of people work together there will be times when some of those people behave in
ways that aren't healthy for the community. The statement is a way of defining
an ethos, how we want our community to function.

[Caius Durling]

On 4 Dec 2009, at 02:33, Michael C. Harris wrote:

> A community and diversity policy for Habari has been discussed in a previous
> thread[1]. The purpose of this email is to call a vote on whether we should
> offically adopt the proposed statement[2]. Voting will be open for at least a
> week.
>
> +1 : accept the statement.
> -1 : reject the statement.

+0 It's mostly common sense and courtesy. People should do that themselves without a statement from a project.

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[Rich Bowen]

On Dec 3, 2009, at 21:33 , Michael C. Harris wrote:

> A community and diversity policy for Habari has been discussed in a
> previous
> thread[1]. The purpose of this email is to call a vote on whether we
> should
> offically adopt the proposed statement[2]. Voting will be open for
> at least a
> week.
>
> +1 : accept the statement.
> -1 : reject the statement.
>
> [1]http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev/browse_thread/thread/dc2dd443db33cecc
> [2]http://wiki.habariproject.org/en/Community_and_Diversity

+1


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[Sean Coates]

> +0 It's mostly common sense and courtesy. People should do that themselves without a statement from a project.

Agreed, so I'm +0, too.
There's nothing /wrong/ with the statement, but I have no idea what ethnicity or sexual orientation most of the community represent, and I don't care, so IMO it's not necessary to make a big deal out of nothing. The rule should be: "don't be an idiot," which includes "don't troll" and "ignore the trolls."

S

[Scott Merrill]

I think the intent here is to be proactive, and clearly define that we
ARE an open, inclusive organization. That way, if someone includes
offensive remarks in some Habari-related presentation somewhere down
the road, we can all say "Hey, that guy isn't with us. His comments
and opinions are his own, and don't reflect the nature of the Habari
community."

An intelligent, rational person should come to that conclusion on
their own, but in a reactive situation when tensions are high and
someone's feelings are hurt, the lack of a diversity statement might
be erroneously interpreted to mean that we support the idiot and his
negative remarks.

I think it's a good idea to say, outright and upfront, that we're an
open and inclusive organization.

+1 for the statement.

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[Sean Coates]

> the lack of a diversity statement might
> be erroneously interpreted to mean that we support the idiot and his
> negative remarks.

I didn't intend to start a huge debate...
If we're going to start pre-emptively writing statements just in case someone does something stupid and we're afraid of looking like we support the idiot due to not explicitly already having a document that says we don't, we'll run out of disk space on the wiki server.

Again, I'm not lobbying /against/ the statement, I just don't think it's necessary.

(also, I'm not subscribed to -users ... already get too much mail)

S

[Scott Merrill]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 11:04 AM, Sean Coates <se...@seancoates.com> wrote:
> I didn't intend to start a huge debate...

I'm not debating. I'm trying to provide some clarity as to the intent
of the statement, since several people have expressed skepticism
around it.

> Again, I'm not lobbying /against/ the statement, I just don't think it's necessary.

Noted.

[David Latapie]

2009/12/4 Sean Coates <se...@seancoates.com>:

>> +0 It's mostly common sense and courtesy. People should do that themselves without a statement from a project.
>
> Agreed, so I'm +0, too.
> There's nothing /wrong/ with the statement, but I have no idea what ethnicity or sexual orientation most of the community represent, and I don't care, so IMO it's not necessary to make a big deal out of nothing. The rule should be: "don't be an idiot," which includes "don't troll" and "ignore the trolls."

My experience with community (not-for-profit publishing house) is that
common sense and the assumption that people will behave correctly is a
dangerous one. I am currently paying the price for "trusting" common
sense and cpurtesy.

Once bitten twice shy. So, +1.

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[Matt Read]

On Fri, 2009-12-04 at 13:33 +1100, Michael C. Harris wrote:
> A community and diversity policy for Habari has been discussed in a previous
> thread[1]. The purpose of this email is to call a vote on whether we should
> offically adopt the proposed statement[2]. Voting will be open for at least a
> week.

+1

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[Colin]

On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:33 AM, Michael C. Harris
<michael...@gmail.com> wrote:
> A community and diversity policy for Habari has been discussed in a previous
> thread[1]. The purpose of this email is to call a vote on whether we should
> offically adopt the proposed statement[2]. Voting will be open for at least a
> week.
>
> +1 : accept the statement.
> -1 : reject the statement.
>

+1

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[mum...@gmail.com]

+1

[eternal243]

+1

On 6 Dec, 20:03, mumb...@gmail.com wrote:
> +1
>

> On Dec 4, 2009 2:33am, "Michael C. Harris" <michael.twof...@gmail.com>  

> wrote:
>
> > A community and diversity policy for Habari has been discussed in a  
> > previous
> > thread[1]. The purpose of this email is to call a vote on whether we  
> > should
> > offically adopt the proposed statement[2]. Voting will be open for at  
> > least a
> > week.
> > +1 : accept the statement.
> > -1 : reject the statement.

> > [1]http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev/browse_thread/thread/dc2dd4...

[Rodent of Unusual Size]

+1

If I'd been paying attention, I'd have said something about changing
'should treat with respect' to 'will treat with respect,' specifically
prohibiting _ad hominem_ attacks, and something about what
happens to intransigent offenders. But since I wasn't, I'm happy
with it as it stands. :-)
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Ken Coar
OSS developer, opinionist, author, and sanagendamgagwedweinini

[Michael Bishop]

As much as it would be nice to count on people just "getting" this,
without the need for it to formally be written somewhere, I think it's
safe to say on the internet specifically, especially when someone can
_hide_ behind the obscurity of a nick, that isn't always the case.
Being able to point to the statement if need be helps keep a
consistent message from everyone.

+1

~miklb



On Dec 3, 9:33 pm, "Michael C. Harris" <michael.twof...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> A community and diversity policy for Habari has been discussed in a previous
> thread[1]. The purpose of this email is to call a vote on whether we should
> offically adopt the proposed statement[2]. Voting will be open for at least a
> week.
>
> +1 : accept the statement.
> -1 : reject the statement.
>

> [1]http://groups.google.com/group/habari-dev/browse_thread/thread/dc2dd4...