Cardellino Electrical Questions

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canuck750

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May 16, 2020, 9:18:08 PM5/16/20
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My 1956 Cardellino came with most all of the wires from the switch cut off and two wires coming out of the back of the magneto, a black and a green (red heat shrink on the coil).

I have downloaded a manual and there is a simple electrical diagram in the text, it does not show a detail of the magneto indicating the two coils, points and condenser or how they are wired.


On the electrical schematic there are three wires numbered (1) - Rosso to tail light, (2) - Verde to the switch and (3) - Nero to rear brake light switch.

after removing the rotor and unscrewing the lighting coil I can trace the two wires that came out of the back of the magneto casting, black is coming out of the copper winding on the center outside of the coil and green (RED shrink wrapped wire on my coil) is exiting out one end of the same coil as another fine copper wire. There is no third red wire. Also coming out of the end of the lighting coils is another fine copper wire that is soldered to the steel body of the coil.




Any advice on where the third RED wire should be on the lighting coil, or is it supposed to come from the ignition coil ?

I think I can figure out the switch, If I am correct the toggle lever is the main OFF/ ON, lugs A and B. Lug A would be the Verde wire from the lighting coil. Then Lug B takes the Verde wire up to the headlight.


I am guessing lug 51 is Horn, 54 tail light, 50 / 30 / 57 is headlight Low beam / OFF / High Beam (or something like that????)

ANY help with figuring this out is very much appreciated!





canuck750

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May 16, 2020, 9:21:28 PM5/16/20
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Sorry it seems the pictures are not linking, not sure how to fix this, I am using POSTIMAGES.ORG.  when I click on the picture link it takes me to all of the images I have stored, You can go the Cardellino spot and find all of the images I am referring to there. 

I have tried attaching them here again 
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Mac Dennis

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May 17, 2020, 6:47:24 AM5/17/20
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You might have a kill switch too or may want to install one. Older switches tend not to have them.


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Martin Seymour

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May 17, 2020, 4:22:58 PM5/17/20
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I'm in exactly the same position as you about to put the bike back together but unsure of the wires coming out of the magneto case so if anyone does have info it'll help us both! Thaniks - Maritn


Dave Knaack

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May 17, 2020, 6:13:47 PM5/17/20
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My 59 Cardellino is complete with I believe the original harness.  What wires are in question?  I’ll be happy to look at mine
Thx dave

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I'm in exactly the same position as you about to put the bike back together but unsure of the wires coming out of the magneto case so if anyone does have info it'll help us both! Thaniks - Maritn


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canuck750

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May 17, 2020, 8:41:43 PM5/17/20
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Thanks Dave

If you review my original post I am trying to find where the red wire shown on the wiring diagram from the generator originates inside the generator???

The lighting coil on my Cardellino has a green and a black wire and this corresponds to the electrical diagram in the Guzzi service manual

My bike does not have a red wire coming out of the generator, I am guessing that somehow the red wire is connected to the ignition coil in behind the rotor, perhaps connected to the condenser???

Thanks

JIm

canuck750

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May 17, 2020, 10:32:36 PM5/17/20
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Found a picture on line of an original switch open to the underside, this will help me trace what wire goes where for the switch

Also found several pictures of the engine with three wires coming out of the generator (R / G / Y) but no picture showing me where the red wire connects inside the generator




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Rick Yamane

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May 18, 2020, 11:39:55 AM5/18/20
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Jim,

You may need to pull the coils out to see,  I’m guessing there are two. One should have a stub where the red wire was broken or cut off, the other probably has the black wire attached. It looks like the red wire would be coming off the main lighting coil. I’m guessing the wire at the coil could be any color or simply a shellacked wire.

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Dave Knaack

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May 18, 2020, 11:53:59 AM5/18/20
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Agreed. I pulled the cover off mine and couldn’t see where it attached 
Possibly could see if the flywheel was off.  Sorry I couldn’t be of more help...

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canuck750

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May 18, 2020, 12:49:14 PM5/18/20
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Thanks for checking fellas,

I did remove the coils on my generator, no sign of a third (red) wire.  There is also no tell tale sign that a rear brake pedal light switch was ever mounted. The tail light has two fetsoon bulbs assuming one is for the brake light, one black wire and one white wire but white wire was cut off inside the tail light shell.

I wonder if this bike ever came with a brake light switch or a third red wire from the coils?? 

The decal on the front fender indicates this was a domestic Italian bike, did they require brake lights?
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Dave Knaack

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May 18, 2020, 2:01:40 PM5/18/20
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The only red wire I could find was from the rear/right side of the upper coil to the condenser. I have a green wire coming out of the backside of the flywheel directly to the brake light switch and nothing else attached to that wire. My bike was very original prior to the restoration but I know over the past 60yr someone had to have their fingers on the harness???
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canuck750

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May 18, 2020, 8:14:54 PM5/18/20
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Thanks Dave

Does your Cardellino generator have two or three wires coming out of the case?

Thanks

Jim

Dave Knaack

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May 18, 2020, 8:25:38 PM5/18/20
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Three. A green one with a plastic insulation, what appears to be a yellow w/cloth insulation and a faded red one with cloth insulation 

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Three. A green one with a plastic insulation, what appears to be a yellow w/cloth insulation and a faded red one with cloth insulation Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2020, at 7:14 PM, canuck750 <jca...@barr-ryder.com> wrote: 
Three. A green one with a plastic insulation, what appears to be a yellow w/cloth insulation and a faded red one with cloth insulation


Thanks again Dave

So if I understand your previous response the red wire is attached to the wire that joins the upper (ignition) coil to the condenser?



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Dave Knaack

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May 18, 2020, 9:49:34 PM5/18/20
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Yes, as best as I can see with the flywheel still in place

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canuck750

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May 18, 2020, 9:54:43 PM5/18/20
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Thanks 

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Martin Seymour

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May 20, 2020, 12:20:10 PM5/20/20
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Looked at my wiring diagram that came with replacemt loom and it only shows 2 wires. I'll see if I can work out how to post a picture of it. Martin
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Phil Skinner

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May 21, 2020, 10:41:02 AM5/21/20
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Hi all, I am glad to have been put onto you guys on this site. I am also struggling with my Cardellino 73 and have the following to offer. Apparently the numbers cast into the Bakelite part of the switch follow the old Bosch standard. Namely 30 is the battery (in our case the red wire, number 5,  from the generator), 58 is for the tail light (yellow wire number 9), 57 is for the park light (in our case this is the city light in the headlight, green wire number 8), 51 is the headlight supply (green wire number 2 from the generator that passes through a connector and becomes number 4), 54 is the horn earth (black wire number 6 to the horn. the last two terminals I have called A and B and they operate from the flick lever and operate the main and dipped beams. The small lever on top of the switch is in the 0 position for daylight riding and only allows the horn to be used. Moving it to position 1 is for the front city light and the rear light. Position 2 is for night riding with the headlight and rear light. I have wired mine accordingly and all works perfectly if I apply 6 volts to the green and red wires from the generator. However when i connect them to the generator i do not get the lights to work in position 2. The generator is not producing any output from the green wire number 2. I assume that the lighting coil has two windings (one for the red wire supply and one, more powerful for the green wire supply. Can anyone confirm if this assumption is correct? The other problem I have is with the brake light wiring. it is indeed true that in 1960 (I think) all Italian motor vehicles had to have a brake light and many bikes were retrofitted with a dual bulb rear light. (I assume that bikes made after 1960 came standard like that, hence the factory wiring diagram shows a brake light circuit. My first question is, has anyone been able to identify the source of the black wire number 3? I cannot find it. It must be a powered wire and must be powered all the time the engine is running. I have a genuine brake switch and it is set as per the manual. It is normally closed switch which opens when the brake pedal is operated. what i cannot fathom out is that in the normal position the power wire (number 3) is shorted directly to earth. This must be the case all the time the engine is running. I assume that when the earth is removed, ie the brake lever is operated the power then goes to the rear brake light. this all seems very strange to me!. cannot anyone shed any light (ha ha) onto this mystery. Cheers Phil  

Phil Skinner

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canuck750

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May 21, 2020, 12:06:43 PM5/21/20
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Great information on the switch and the history of when a brake light requirement came into effect in Italy, that explains why my Cardellino is missing a brake light switch. I was told my Cardellino is a 57 but the more I look at pictures on the web it looks like it could be a 57.

Does anyone know if the serial number identifies the year of production?

My frame is stamped

* BCF44*


Phil Skinner

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May 21, 2020, 2:23:30 PM5/21/20
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Hi, the engine and frame numbers should match. I could not make any sense of the numbers and how they relate to year of manufacture. Do you have the Guzzino book by Massimo Chierici? It it is well worth buying. The series started with the Motoleggera 65 (affectionately known as the Guzzino) there were three versions and it was manufactured from 1946 through to 1954. The model was then renamed the Cardellino. there were also three versions (with a number of variations of each). They were the 65cc, 1954 to 1956, then the 73cc from 1957 to 1961 and lastly the 83cc from 1962 to 1965. The Cardellino 73cc had frame numbers from B 00 AA to B 24 FF. Looking at your frame number it is certainly a 73cc model but what year I don't know. Does your have the long dual seat or the single saddle? I think mine is a Lusso with the single seat but strangely it has rear footrests which slide over the swingarm and are held by the wheel axle. I have not seen them on any photos of them on other bikes so I guess they were after market. However Guzzi retro did have rubbers for them. There were also two versions of gear change mechanisms used on this model. The Mellior with a one up and two down pattern and the Lario with a one down, two up pattern. Mine has the Mellior version. Do you have the workshop manual? It is available on the This Old Tractor website. in there it shows a huge photo of the rear brake switch and the setting to the brake pedal. Mine had that one fitted but whether it was built like that or it was retrofitted I don't know. The owners manual (also from This Old Tractor) has the assembly drawing of the silencer in it. That is the oblong, split box silencer with twin outlets. It looks to me as if this was a requirement from from 4th February 1960, presumably to reduce the noise. Does yours have this type of exhaust system. I am still at a loss to the wiring questions. Cheers Phil

Don West

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Some information on dating frame numbers on the Dutch Guzzi club site.  If it was a Hispania, you would be able to pin point it to a specific year. 

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canuck750

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Great information, thank you!

My bike has the clip on rear foot rests, long saddle and the shift mechanism is stamped Lario.

I filled the transmission with oil last evening and found a big puddle on the ground this morning, leaking out of the sprocket shaft. I pulled the motor and will fit new gaskets and seals. My piston was missing a circlip, glad I pulled the cylinder off! Do you know of a source for pistons with rings / pin and circlips? All the pistons I see on Ebay Italy appear to be bare piston only with no rings or pin / clips. My bore measures 44.96mm I would like to fit a 45.0mm or larger.

Thanks again

Jim
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canuck750

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I have downloaded a manual

Do you have a source for the Guzzino book you mentioned? 

Andrew Nahum

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It looks like it’s on Amazon. 


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I have downloaded a manual

Do you have a source for the Guzzino book you mentioned? 

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Phil Skinner

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Hi Jim,

That looks a nice bike. The rear footrests are the same as mine. I think yours is earlier than mine as you have no evidence of the brake switch which bolts on the aluminium chain cover. The book is available from Amazon. It is in Italian but it is easy to understand and has lots of tables and photos which are fairly self-explanatory. I think you will find there is no seal on the sprocket output shaft. There is a long bronze bush and a steel bush with a thread machined on it to drive any oil back into the gearbox. I replace the two bushes on mine and all is now dry. You can see the large gap between bush and shaft in the photo.  I originally bought new rings, gudgeon pin, circlips and small end bush as separate items only to later discover that my cylinder was damaged beyond repair (the exhaust studs had been butchered and there was no way to save it) . I bought a replacement cylinder complete with matching piston rings and gudgeon pin. I get all my parts from Guzzi Retro. They have just about everything in stock for all single cylinder bikes. Again it looks like your bike has the cast iron cylinder so I think it is a 1957 Lusso (Luxury) model. In 1958 they went to the lightweight aluminium cylinder with chrome bore. I think your best bet is to ring Guzzi Retro and speak to Marco (+390341735394) and see what he can supply you.  

 

Cheers Phil  

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canuck750

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May 22, 2020, 12:43:30 PM5/22/20
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 thanks Phil

I will reach out to  Marco

My cast iron cylinder bore looks ok, I an debating if I should refit a stock bore piston and rings or go for an over size and bore the cylinder?

I an going to split the engine cases this weekend and will check the bush on the output shaft. I had thought Guzzi would have fit a seal but being a two stroke the transmission compartment is not under pressure so the bush make sense.

Your Cardellino looks fantastic. I have to really resist not fully restoring mine, I tend to go overboard and refinish everything but this bike has just enough decent original finish that I feel I have to preserve it.

Phil Skinner

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Hi there,

 

Just note that the nut on the left hand side of the crankshaft (flywheel side) is a left hand thread. Also the crank pinion gear on the right hand side is not easy to remove. Mine is the shock absorbing version with rubber rods running in recesses between the inner and outer parts. Mine had no gasket between the crankcase halves and none is not shown in the manual. However the gasket set I bought contained a gasket. I did not use as it will upset the crankshaft end float. Instead I used Reintzplast gasket material (a blue almost transparent non-drying goop) as I could not find Red Hermatite or similar in South Africa and I don’t think the modern silicone versions work well on a pure metal to metal joint as they just squeeze out.

 

I have translated the workshop manual into English, would you like a copy?

   

Good luck and let me know how you get on.

 

When you talk to Marco mention that you spoke to Phil Skinner.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

 

 

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canuck750

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I would appreciate a copy of the manual in English!

My email is:

 jcarey (at) br2architecture (dot) com 

I split the crank cases, heated the castings and dropped the bearings and crank bush out. A quick vapour blast cleaned everything up nicely.

The cylinder is stamped 'B' and the bore consistently measures 44.96mm. I rechecked the cylinder bore, no scores so I will install a stock matching piston and rings. All the bearings feel good (I am surprised) and the bush is clean but I need to measure it against the crank tomorrow. I also need to measure the output shaft and bush, may need a new bush. Clutch discs show little wear but the steel plates show signs of previous corrosion along a common level, the engine probably sat for a very long time and collected corrosion, the engine has been apart before. Seals will be replaced, gaskets, no gasket between cases on this engine just case sealant. Engine serial number matches frame. Crank shafts are clean, no scores or signs of damage. Transmission components look fine. This engine is in better condition than most every other Italian engines I have worked on, most of which are early 70's twins; Guzzi, Morini, Benelli, Ducati and Laverda.
A real pleasant surprise to find this little two stroke in such decent condition.
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Martin Seymour

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Yes I would appreciate a copy too! mseymour'at' vocaltraining.org.uk

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Phil Skinner

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Hi,

Mine was externally in a very bad condition and the bike had obviously had a very hard life. The gears in the gearbox had to be replaced along with the cylinder. However the rest of the motor was in really good shape (like yours). I think Moto Guzzi produced a really well designed and robust little machine and the fact that they sold almost 160000 is a testament to those qualities. They sold just over 47000 of the Cardellino 73!

I think changing the rings is about all you need to do and unless the piston is showing obvious wear I would leave it. Retro Guzzi sell base, head and exhaust gaskets separately so you don’t have to buy complete sets each time you need just one.

 

I’ll drop you a copy of the manual. I have not copied the figures and tables out of the Italian manual so need to be read in conjunction with each other.  Please let me  know what you think of it and whether or not it is helpfull.

 

Cheers

 

Phil

 

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I would appreciate a copy of the manual in English!

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jerry atric

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I can't believe I have missed this thread. I've been struggling with these electrical questions for weeks!. My generator has only 2 wires but they are red and green. The brake light switch has a black wire that goes nowhere. I thought the toggle on the switch was the high/low, so I hadn't done very well! 

I can't understand why the wire from the genny goes to the insulated clamp near the horn and then carries on to the switch. What is the purpose of that clamp?

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canuck750

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May 23, 2020, 5:49:56 PM5/23/20
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Thanks Phil!
 
I have downloaded a manual

Great resource, well done!

I am waiting on a piston / rings from Italy and some gaskets and seals. everything cleaned up, measured OK and ready to reassemble.

I opened up the muffler and blasted out the carbon, used the torch to burn it out of the pipe sections, much lighter!

Found a half dozen pin holes in the header that I need to baize shut

I am surprised to find two disc baffles, one of which is half rotted away, is this all that is supposed to be in the Cardellino muffler?? 


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Phil Skinner

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Hi there. The two wires from the generator (red and green) is standard. The clamp for the green wire is exactly that, a clamp. Mine did not have the clamp. Could you send a photo of how it mounts and what it looks like? Is the wire free to slide through the clamp? If so it must be just a guide to allow the wire to remain tidy but also move with the handlebars. It is correct that the brake light has a black wire, number 11, running from the bulb to the brake switch. It is connected into the same terminal  as the black wire, number 3. (this is the wire that nobody, so far, has yet been able to identify with respect to what it does, or where it originates). The other terminal on the brake switch goes to earth. The switch is normally closed and opens when the brake pedal is activated.

Some bright spark must be able to assist us!!!!!

Cheers

Phil

 

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Phil Skinner

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Hi there,

Glad the manual is of some use.

The muffler is correct and complete. The discs are supposed to have a flat on them and I assume the idea is that the discs are orientated so that exhaust gasses have to travel in a snake like fashion to get from the exhaust pipe outlet to the outside world. The detail of this silencer is shown in the parts manual.

Cheers

Phil

 

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Thanks Phil!

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jerry atric

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May 24, 2020, 1:32:15 PM5/24/20
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This is all great stuff for me, thanks to all this ewho have shared their knowledge. I can't get to my Cardellino for a few days but when I do I'll let you know the results

canuck750

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The muffler is correct and complete. The discs are supposed to have a flat on them and I assume the idea is that the discs are orientated so that exhaust gasses have to travel in a snake like fashion to get from the exhaust pipe outlet to the outside world. The detail of this silencer is shown in the parts manual.

Cheers

Phil


Thanks Phil

I tried to braise the rust holes closed and as I suspected / feared the header is paper thin, just fell apart once heat was applied. I hate trying to weld rust! Bit the bullet and ordered a reproduction muffler, seller in the USA 

jerry atric

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May 25, 2020, 4:09:55 PM5/25/20
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Phil, I will try and post photo of the clamp. If it doesn't work, send me an e-mail address and I'll send it to you. It is definitely more than just a clamp as far as I can tell.

Phil Skinner

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Hi Jerry, that will be great.
My e mail address is skinnershomeattelkomsadotnet
Cheers
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Jun 3, 2020, 4:34:37 PM6/3/20
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My 1956 Cardellino came with most all of the wires from the switch cut off and two wires coming out of the back of the magneto, a black and a green (red heat shrink on the coil).

I bought one of those wiring harness kits from Italy mostly to get the schematic that was partially displayed in the listing. 
Attached is a scan of the grainy photocopy sheet that came with the wire harness, at least it describes the switch terminal wires.
73c Cardellino Schematic.pdf
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