advertise that new growl is shareware

[Ozlaw]

There is a new growl version for Lion, or Mac Os x.7. Not that I
really longed for it. I maintained it on my laptop, as it is just an
application which demonstrated the viability of the user-community.
Growl, Onyx X, Neo Office, LibreOffice, and other applications have
been produced to fill in the gaps those big boys left open. Well boys?
Big and often nasty fellows often. Apple seems not to be one hair
better than its business-rivals, entering the legal arena time and
again. Now growl.. I got an invitation today to download the newest
version, with a link to the appstore. I clicked and a window opened in
the iTunesstore. Ohh. Ehhh... Growl has become shareware. Okay, but
boys you should announce that before people start clicking. The costs
are unseemingly, the amount of money to pay to you is laughably low
and yet I am annoyed by the manner and way you and apple and iTunes
are erecting toll-walls. This is the way large-sized distribution
monopolies did come about the last ten years. That can't be the idea,
yes? It is just like with those software-makers that pester users,
whose annoying advertising-policies border on malware-practices,
laming you system because they are going to show you that you need
their particular software. This situation has brought back the
question, 'do I really need growl?' Or is it just a piece of nice
cake, ice-cream or the white icing on the cake?
So, I am now removing growl from my system now.

[Chris Forsythe]

Growl in the app store does not mean that you cannot continue to use Growl 1.2.2. Growl is still open source as well.

The idea is to actually be able to pay at least one of our developers to work on Growl so that we can put out updates faster, and things like that. I have a few other ideas as well, but don't want to talk about them since if they don't happen it'd be disappointing if I did talk about them now.

Anyhow, you can still use Growl 1.2.2.

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[Pjotr]

Well, it's not all sunshine and butterflies. I do not want to accuse
anyone of anything, but that is not really 100% truth. I do not care
about a piece of software going to App Store, it makes a perfect sense
to support the developer (everyone needs to pay the bills).

This one stopped at the end of september: http://code.google.com/p/growl/source/list

Yeah yeah, everyone knows that it might not be a top priority to
update this repo. Still, giving it a push from time to time would look
better. That way one would not get this creeping feeling that someone
is not telling the whole truth. I guess most of the people would just
prefer the straight and honest answer, there is no point in trying to
twist and turn.

My point is that judging by the App Store 1.3.1 is out, google.code
repo shows us that it all stopped on 25. of September.

So what would be the whole truth?

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[Chris Forsythe]

We just haven't tossed the code over there yet is all. That'll happen this week.

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[Ori Livneh]

It's really vital that you aren't negligent about this.

I'd wager that most of the money you got through the App Store came not from people eager to try out the latest version, but rather people like me who have been using Growl for some time and were happy to support its ongoing development.

You'll squander a lot of goodwill if you treat the open source nature of the application as an afterthought or a nuisance.

IMHO, anyway.

[Christopher Forsythe]

Like I said, the source will be pushed some time this week.

Chris

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[Zac Bowling]

There is a growing thread on hackernews. I suggest doing damage control before the Growl brand is tarnished. Fix up the source page on the growl.info and make it known it's also still open source. 

I suggest looking at how Textual does it on their page. http://www.codeux.com/textual/

The most interesting comment over there is that developers are backing out because as they see it, now growl is a dependency that costs money for them to ask their users to use and are putting their own notification systems in and are backing out from everything Growl. 

[Christopher Forsythe]

I was thinking of doing something similar, but I'll just ask them if I can copy that text, it's not bad. :)

Chris

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[Al]

You also need to make the message more clear on the landing page users
are directed to by the Growl updater. It leads the user to believe
that if they are using Lion that they cannot continue to use 1.2.2.
Remember - most of your users are not developers, but instead users
who installed your software because an installer from another app
(Adium, Trillian to name a couple) prompted them to do so. I'm not so
sure that it wasn't intentional dishonesty, but if it was you should
fix that page ASAP and also not drive users crazy with update
messages.

[Muffin]

I agree. I'm not opposed to the developers making some profit for
their hard work but the Growl crew is handling this poorly. Including
but not limited to the misleading information on the Growl landing
page.

On Nov 6, 10:22 pm, Zac Bowling <zbowl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> There is a growing thread on hackernews. I suggest doing damage control
> before the Growl brand is tarnished. Fix up the source page on the
> growl.info and make it known it's also still open source.
>
> I suggest looking at how Textual does it on their

> page.http://www.codeux.com/textual/

[comccoy]

Just to add another "me too" to the list. I actually never used growl
without an app that asked me if I wanted to which installed it for me,
and even then I pretty much ignored it. I created an automator
service a few weeks ago and saw the growl option and figured "what the
heck". Then I saw an "update" and removed my existing copy and went to
install the new one and imagine my surprise when I was asked to pay in
the app store. I agree it is understandable that you all want to get
paid for your work, however suddenly being forced to pay for the same
feature set has never sat well with me. Give me the exact same
functionality for free and add an in app purchase for advanced
features. Or at least give me a clear warning that the "update" is
actually a paid upgrade. As it is it is too much trouble to try and
downgrade and worry about bugs and support etc so I'll just remove
growl and eventually forget about it. Quite sad now that I had just
really noticed it might have worth and handled more openly I might be
a paying customer if I ever needed a truly advanced feature.

[Chris Forsythe]

I added a note that Growl in the app store is a paid update. What else are you talking about that could be changed here?

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[Chris Forsythe]

You aren't paying for the same feature set. What needs to change to address the rest of your concerns here?

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