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Leo Laverdure  
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 More options Nov 9, 9:26 am
From: "Leo Laverdure" <leo.laverd...@charter.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 09:26:02 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 9:26 am
Subject: FW: [Info Contact] Solar Infomational Session

Are we interested in this? Two potential problems:
1. How much is this a sales pitch vs. information sharing?
2. Groton not able to participate in MTC bnefits because Groton Electric, a
municipal power provider, opted out of the fee that funds the MTC).

Leo
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Brian Crounse  
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 More options Nov 9, 10:34 am
From: Brian Crounse <bcrou...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 10:34:10 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 10:34 am
Subject: Re: [GrotonLocal-Energy] FW: [Info Contact] Solar Infomational Session
Leo,

Greetings from Concord, another municipal utility town.

As the Alteris email notes, the state is in the midst of making big
changes in its solar funding programs.  I won't even begin to try to
explain the changes, because 1) my understanding is incomplete and 2)
the new program(s) are not finalized.  But as best as I understand,
municipal utilities may have opportunities with respect to solar
projects that they didn't have before.

See here for a little more info:
http://www.masstech.org/solar/102309update.html

Also, it's worth mentioning that Littleton recently decided to join
the RET (I *think*; they're not listed at
http://www.masstech.org/IS/mandate.htm just yet).

Brian


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Christie, Chris Civ USAF AFMC 350 ELSG/KFI  
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 More options Nov 9, 11:41 am
From: "Christie, Chris Civ USAF AFMC 350 ELSG/KFI" <Chris.Chris...@hanscom.af.mil>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 11:41:40 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 11:41 am
Subject: RE: [GrotonLocal-Energy] Re: FW: [Info Contact] Solar Infomational Session
Funds from MTC have been depleted and was I told it is better to wait and see how the new program coming out in 2010 is structured.

Brian
Did Concord Light decide to join MTC?  

This was my input:
1) If this is purely a sales pitch I personally would not be interested but if it is mostly an informational session I think it would be very useful.
Energy rebates are available without being a member of MTC.
2) GELD initially decided to not join for several good reasons, and I requested that we continue to discuss MTC membership as it evolves.   I am also looking into alternatives to MTC to encourage interested customers to use Solar H/W and Solar PV.
Chris


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Gary Hoglund  
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 More options Nov 9, 1:54 pm
From: Gary Hoglund <g...@hoglund.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 13:54:53 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 1:54 pm
Subject: Re: [GrotonLocal-Energy] Re: FW: [Info Contact] Solar Infomational Session
At 11:41 AM 11/9/2009, Christie, Chris Civ USAF AFMC 350 ELSG/KFI wrote:

>2) GELD initially decided to not join for several good reasons, and
>I requested that we continue to discuss MTC membership as it
>evolves.   I am also looking into alternatives to MTC to encourage
>interested customers to use Solar H/W and Solar PV.

I can understand GELD's caution with respect to the Renewable Energy
Trust (RET) contribution, but has GELD ever considered setting up
it's own self-managed fund for incentives in Groton?  I believe the
contribution to the RET by municipal electrics is $0.0005/kWh.  If
GELD set up its own fund to stimulate conservation and alternative
forms of power generation, it could be funded by a self imposed
surcharge similar in magnitude to the RET surcharge.   Adding this to
the existing rate would not have a material impact on the goal of
keeping rates, but it would create a pool of money to offer local incentives.

 From the GELD annual report, if the average customer consumed 16,000
kWh/year and using a $0.0005/kWh surcharge to fund a Groton
conservation/renewables fund would yield:

16,000 kWh/yr x $0.0005/kWh x 4,500 customers = $36,000/yr

I know $36,000 doesn't sound like much, but it would be a start that
could create incentives to move some conservation and renewable
projects forward.  The surcharge could even be double to a tenth of a
cent without having a real impact on rates.  Even at $0.001/kWh the
impact would only be $1.33/month for each customer and would increase
the fund to $72,000.  There are projects at the municipal,
commercial, and residential level that could benefit from
incentives.  Since it's all under local control, the surcharge could
be revoked or modified by the Electric Commissioners if it wasn't beneficial.

Just a thought.

Gary


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Leo Laverdure  
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 More options Nov 9, 2:09 pm
From: "Leo Laverdure" <leo.laverd...@charter.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 14:09:08 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 2:09 pm
Subject: RE: [GrotonLocal-Energy] Re: FW: [Info Contact] Solar Infomational Session
I like it!

Leo


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Christie, Chris Civ USAF AFMC 350 ELSG/KFI  
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From: "Christie, Chris Civ USAF AFMC 350 ELSG/KFI" <Chris.Chris...@hanscom.af.mil>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 15:17:29 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 3:17 pm
Subject: RE: [GrotonLocal-Energy] Re: FW: [Info Contact] Solar Infomational Session
Gary
I agree and pushing for some kind of program.
GELD's annual contribution to become a member of MRET(MTC) would be less
than $36K but would be committed to contribute as long as a program
exists possibly forever.   Applications compete against other towns for
funds and reimbursement isn't guaranteed for all projects even if there
was sufficient interest.  The fund is now empty till next year TBD.
Projects go thru MRET approval and I question whether all of them made
sense because of some problems MTC had in the past.  I fully support
some type of program either with the state, self funded with individual
customers, spread out over customer base, or some other option.    GELD
has the lowest rates and already spends money on conservation programs
and wants to make sure every dollar is spent wisely.   With Solar PV
prices becoming more competitive I am trying to justify supporting a
self funded program possibly with MMWEC and Evergreen Solar.   Solar Hot
Water already works.
Chris  


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Gary Hoglund  
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 More options Nov 9, 4:50 pm
From: Gary Hoglund <g...@hoglund.com>
Date: Mon, 09 Nov 2009 16:50:26 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: [GrotonLocal-Energy] Re: FW: [Info Contact] Solar Infomational Session
At 03:17 PM 11/9/2009, Christie, Chris Civ USAF AFMC 350 ELSG/KFI wrote:

>Gary
>I agree and pushing for some kind of program.

Thank you Chris, I know you are very engaged in this.

>GELD
>has the lowest rates and already spends money on conservation programs
>and wants to make sure every dollar is spent wisely.

This is part of the problem though.  While I love the low rates we
pay, it can be a dis-incentive to conserve.  Paybacks and economics
for conservation measures or alternative forms of power in a low rate
environment are even more dependent on incentives/rebates to become reality.

>With Solar PV
>prices becoming more competitive I am trying to justify supporting a
>self funded program possibly with MMWEC and Evergreen Solar.

This sounds interesting.

Perhaps another way of thinking about it is a forced savings account
of sorts.  I'm thinking way outside the box here, so bear with me.

As an example, the Groton-Dunstable School District is in the process
of upgrading all the lighting at the Swallow-Union school in
Dunstable.  The lighting technology wasn't that bad at this facility
since most equipment had been installed around 1995, but with the
newer T8 fixtures, electronic ballast, motion detectors, and LED exit
signs it was possible to save over 90,000 kWh/yr.  The cost for the
upgrade was around $50,000 with a simple payback a little over 3
years.  Pretty good economics, but unfortunately, the $50K was
difficult for the district to find, especially in these challenged
economic times.  Luckily for the district, Dunstable is served by
National Grid who offered a program to pick up 70% of the upgrade
cost.  The school district's contribution ended up a more manageable
$15K.  The resulting payback to the district was less than a
year.  As a matter of fact, the monthly savings paid for the
district's contribution spread out monthly for the first
year.  Therefore, no capital outlay was necessary, and starting year
2 the savings of ~$1,300 per month belong to the district.

I present this example because I think it illustrates how incentives
can move projects forward.  Now granted, a 70% incentive is an
outright gift, and part of that is due to the fact that National
Grid's rates in Dunstable are about $.05/kWh higher than GELD.  But
the higher rates may have funded the incentive program and definitely
made the economics of investing in conservation technology all the
more compelling.

So what if GELD had a forced savings program in their rate
structure.  The associated surcharge, say 1 to 2 cents/kWh, would be
assessed on each customer that were above an energy efficient
threshold for their residence and number of occupants.  Similarly
commercial and industrial customers who were below the Energy Star
rating of 75 as computed by  Energy Star's Portfolio Manager pay the
surcharge too.  Or to keep it simple initially, all customers would
pay the surcharge, but those demonstrating energy efficiency for the
year would get the surcharged rebated.  Inefficient users would have
access to the money to improve their energy efficiency profile or to
add alternative energy generation to offset their consumption from the grid.

I know it may sound wacky, but it forces users to put aside money
into a fund that they would be compelled to use to improve their
energy profile.  I know big users like the school could benefit from
this.  It is hard for them to set money aside like this, but if it is
part of their utility bill it becomes a part of the operating
expense.  This characteristic is also true for many homeowners.  At
the end of the year, this savings account would be available to
implement conservation or alternative energy projects to drive them
to an acceptable consumption level.  In a way, this is what happened
with the Swallow Union school.  With Groton having its own municipal
electric company, we potentially have the power to do something like
this.  I know the government creates financial incentives for
National Grid to lower their customer's consumption.  Perhaps there's
opportunity for GELD here too.

Again, food for thought and possible discussion.

Gary


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Leo Laverdure  
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 More options Nov 9, 8:50 pm
From: "Leo Laverdure" <leo.laverd...@charter.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Nov 2009 20:50:23 -0500
Local: Mon, Nov 9 2009 8:50 pm
Subject: RE: [GrotonLocal-Energy] Re: FW: [Info Contact] Solar Infomational Session
Years ago I did something similar when I was trying to get my son to move
out of the house. He kept saying he wanted to, but he didn't have the money
for the security deposit. So I charged him rent for a few months, saving the
money in an account; when there was enough I gave it to him as his down
payment. No more excuses. WIN-WIN.

Seems like this would be a good topic for a Sustainability Commission
discussion. Should we try to schedule this?

Leo
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