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Andrew Grigorenko  
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 More options Jun 22, 9:29 pm
From: Andrew Grigorenko <andrew.grigore...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2009 21:29:12 -0400
Local: Mon, Jun 22 2009 9:29 pm
Subject: A German's View on Islam

*Below please find a text the Foundation received from Elena Tertychnaya.
Any comments on the topic would be appreciated.

Andrew P. Grigorenko
President of General Petro Grigorenko Foundation
www.grigorenko.org*

This is by far one of the best explanations of the Muslim terrorist
situation I have ever read.  His reference to past history is accurate and
clear.  Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read.  The author
of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well known and well respected
psychiatrist.

*A German's View on Islam*

      A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II,
owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how  many German
people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our  attitude toward
fanaticism. "Very few people were true Nazis," he said,  "but many enjoyed
the return of German pride, and many more were too  busy to care.  I was one
of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of  fools. So, the majority
just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we  knew it, they owned
us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world  had come.

      My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the
Allies destroyed my factories."

      We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that
Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just
want to live in peace. Although this  unqualified assertion may be true, it
is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel
better,  and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging
across the globe in the name of Islam.

      The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in  history.
It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50
shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics  who systematically slaughter
Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over
the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb,
behead, murder or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after
mosque.   It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of
rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics  who teach their young to
kill and t o become suicide bombers. The hard quantifiable fact is that the
peaceful majority,  the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.

      Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live  in
peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about
30 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

       China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists
managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

      The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war
mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South
East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12
million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

      And who can forget Rwanda   which collapsed into butchery.800,000
Slaughted. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace
loving'?

      History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all
our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of
points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence.
Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because
like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the
fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

      Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs,
Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others
have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too
late.

      As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only
group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

      Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes
this email without sending it on is contributing to the passiveness that
allows the problems to expand. So, extend  yourself a bit and send this on
and on and on!  Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read this and think
about  it,  and send it on before it's too late.

  Emanuel Tanay , MD
  Wayne State University
  Ann Arbor , Michigan

Sam Libkind

 "And there was evening and there was morning. Then came Session. And the
living envy the dead."   The student's Bible.


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Inci Bowman  
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 More options Jun 25, 4:15 pm
From: "Inci Bowman" <in...@attglobal.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:15:40 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 4:15 pm
Subject: RE: A German's View on Islam

There are several problems with this communication, “A German’s View on Islam.”

1.       Its title is misleading, as it is not about Islam, the religion, but on Muslim fanatics or Islamic violence.

2.       Many  writers are eager to express their opinions on Islam, but they end up talking about Muslim terrorists, thus furthering prejudice against Islam. This piece by Dr. Tanay is another example of this trend that we often witness in the Western media.

3.       It appears that this is a chain letter. One of the last sentences reads: “So, extend  yourself a bit and send this on and on and on!”

4.       The author’s statement, “The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in history.” is unfounded, unwarranted and even false.

In the proper context, Islam is a religion practiced or adhered by about 1.5 billion people, second largest religion after Christianity. It is the fastest growing religion in the US and Europe, hence the understandable degree of anxiety felt in the West. There are more than 30 countries, where the Muslims are in the majority. Countries such as Turkey and Tunisia, with 99% Muslim population, are ruled by secular laws (not by the rules of Koran or Qu’ran). Arabs account for about 20% of the Muslims worldwide, and most Muslim terrorists have come unfortunately from the Arabic countries.

Inci Bowman, Ph.D.

Washington, DC

From: grigorenko_us@googlegroups.com [mailto:grigorenko_us@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Grigorenko
Sent: Monday, June 22, 2009 9:29 PM
To: General Petro Grigorenko Foundation
Subject: A German's View on Islam

Below please find a text the Foundation received from Elena Tertychnaya. Any comments on the topic would be appreciated.

Andrew P. Grigorenko
President of General Petro Grigorenko Foundation
www.grigorenko.org <http://www.grigorenko.org/>

This is by far one of the best explanations of the Muslim terrorist situation I have ever read.  His reference to past history is accurate and clear.  Not long, easy to understand, and well worth the read.  The author of this email is Dr. Emanuel Tanay, a well known and well respected psychiatrist.

A German's View on Islam

      A man, whose family was German aristocracy prior to World War II, owned a number of large industries and estates. When asked how  many German people were true Nazis, the answer he gave can guide our  attitude toward fanaticism. "Very few people were true Nazis," he said,  "but many enjoyed the return of German pride, and many more were too  busy to care.  I was one of those who just thought the Nazis were a bunch of  fools. So, the majority just sat back and let it all happen. Then, before we  knew it, they owned us, and we had lost control, and the end of the world  had come.

      My family lost everything. I ended up in a concentration camp and the  Allies destroyed my factories."

      We are told again and again by 'experts' and 'talking heads' that  Islam is the religion of peace, and that the vast majority of Muslims just want to live in peace. Although this  unqualified assertion may be true, it is entirely irrelevant. It is meaningless fluff, meant to make us feel better,  and meant to somehow diminish the spectra of fanatics rampaging across the globe in the name of Islam.

      The fact is that the fanatics rule Islam at this moment in  history. It is the fanatics who march. It is the fanatics who wage any one of 50 shooting wars worldwide. It is the fanatics  who systematically slaughter Christian or tribal groups throughout Africa and are gradually taking over the entire continent in an Islamic wave. It is the fanatics who bomb, behead, murder or honor-kill. It is the fanatics who take over mosque after mosque.   It is the fanatics who zealously spread the stoning and hanging of rape victims and homosexuals. It is the fanatics  who teach their young to kill and t o become suicide bombers. The hard quantifiable fact is that the peaceful majority,  the 'silent majority,' is cowed and extraneous.

      Communist Russia was comprised of Russians who just wanted to live  in peace, yet the Russian Communists were responsible for the murder of about 30 million people. The peaceful majority were irrelevant.

       China 's huge population was peaceful as well, but Chinese Communists managed to kill a staggering 70 million people.

      The average Japanese individual prior to World War II was not a war mongering sadist. Yet, Japan murdered and slaughtered its way across South East Asia in an orgy of killing that included the systematic murder of 12 million Chinese civilians; most killed by sword, shovel, and bayonet.

      And who can forget Rwanda   which collapsed into butchery.800,000 Slaughted. Could it not be said that the majority of Rwandans were 'peace loving'?

      History lessons are often incredibly simple and blunt, yet for all  our powers of reason we often miss the most basic and uncomplicated of points: Peace-loving Muslims have been made irrelevant by their silence. Peace-loving Muslims will become our enemy if they don't speak up, because like my friend from Germany , they will awaken one day and find that the fanatics own them, and the end of their world will have begun.

      Peace-loving Germans, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, Rwandans, Serbs, Afghans, Iraqis, Palestinians, Somalis, Nigerians, Algerians and many others have died because the peaceful majority did not speak up until it was too late.

      As for us who watch it all unfold, we must pay attention to the only group that counts; the fanatics who threaten our way of life.

      Lastly, anyone who doubts that the issue is serious and just deletes this email without sending it on is contributing to the passiveness that allows the problems to expand. So, extend  yourself a bit and send this on and on and on!  Let us hope that thousands, world wide, read this and think about  it,  and send it on before it's too late.

  Emanuel Tanay , MD
  Wayne State University
  Ann Arbor , Michigan

Sam Libkind

 "And there was evening and there was morning. Then came Session. And the living envy the dead."   The student's Bible.


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Pavel Litvinov  
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 More options Jun 25, 10:06 pm
From: Pavel Litvinov <pavellitvi...@optonline.net>
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 22:06:41 -0400
Local: Thurs, Jun 25 2009 10:06 pm
Subject: Re: A German's View on Islam

I welcome the letter of Inci Bowman.  There is no question that islamic terrorism is an extremely dangerous phenomenon of the world today.  Its potential for destruction is comparable with communism and nazism and we certainly need to be aware of this threat, support fight against it and help resistance movements against it both inside and outside of muslim countries.  But demonization of islamic religion is wrong, historically unjustified and counter-productive.  Communism has disappeared as a dangerous ideology from almost everywhere, but left behind North Korea, perhaps, the most dangerous regime in the world at this moment.  Nobody knows what danger can come from Communist China, but, surely, it won't be its communist ideology.  Russia represents a threat, which with rebirth of its imperialism which can potentially become the largest. Meanwhile Islamic Republic of Iran produced a genuine liberation movement in spite of the extremist islamo-fascist ideology of of its rulers. The world is full of dangers and to create an image of a hateful enemy is very easy and it is equally easy to start believing in it. The last words of the e-mail of Dr. Tanay sound to me like an invitation to The Two Minutes Of Hate from George Orwell's "1984".  I believe in sincerity of Dr. Tanay, but it makes his tone only more alarming.  


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Halya Coynash  
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 More options Jun 26, 10:13 am
From: Halya Coynash <halyap...@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 16:13:10 +0200
Local: Fri, Jun 26 2009 10:13 am
Subject: Re: A German's View on Islam

I was living in Moscow at the time of Beslan. Remember well the lies coming
from the Kremlin, and listening avidly to any news from Radio Svoboda and
Deutsche Welle.  Remember the Mufti of the RF and others stating
categorically, that those who fight with children’s lives were cowards, not
warriors of any holy war.  Zakaev had just said that he was prepared to come
and negotiate when the mysterious explosion led to the storming of the
school and death of 331 people, half of them children.  I’m convinced that
those who were assiduously pushing the idea that these were fanatics who
would negotiate with no one, didn’t want those voices to be heard.
We need to fear fanaticism, wherever it comes from.  We need to fight the
mentality of those prepared to manipulate others, sacrifice their lives for
whatever ideology or aim.  That means fighting passiveness, willingness to
look away, or to obey. And fighting the assumption that fanaticism is
somehow linked only to a specific ideology or religion – just look at what
is happening in Russia.  That illusion is comfortable, narrow-minded and
dooms us to learning nothing

Halya Coynash

2009/6/26 Pavel Litvinov <pavellitvi...@optonline.net>


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