Great Lakes Lacrosse Officials Association Google Group

Re: Keep It In

2009-05-19T15:42:59Z

I kicked this situation up the the National Rules Forum, the response
was:
NCAA says ..Rule 6-11
"Exception: If the ball leaves the attack area due to a deflection off
the defense,
either team may recover"
That seems pretty clear: last touched, not who caused it to go out.
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Re: Keep It In

2009-05-18T14:53:13Z

I would treat the call more like a shot going out of bounds than a
loose ball going out of bounds. "A touch by the defensive team" is
not the same as "last touched by the defensive team". If the ball
goes out of the box because of impetus given to it by the defensive
team, then I would not consider an attempt to keep it in by the

Re: Keep It In

2009-05-17T13:11:32Z

Rule 6-10 says "stalling shall be called if the ball leaves the goal
area in any manner other than a shot on goal or a touch by the
defensive team."
In your example below, we clearly should call stalling if the offense
is last to touch.

Re: Keep It In

2009-05-17T02:19:52Z

I'm not sure we want to call this exactly like a "last to touch" OOB
call. Consider: If defense propels the ball toward out of the box
and offense attempts to scoop or sweep it back in, but it goes out
anyway, we can't call this stalling, can we? However, if OOB, it's
tough luck for offense.

Re: Keep It In

2009-05-15T20:11:00Z

Agree 100%, The stick check example below still holds ..because
Attacking Team A was the last team to touch the ball, therefore Team A
would be be guilty of the the delay of game.

Re: Keep It In

2009-05-15T18:32:55Z

Interesting enough.. consider the stick check where the D man never touches the ball-only the stick. Expect some argument. Several ways it can be handled.. obviuosly one can lie and say the D touched it. But then you discount the great play by the defender.(?Any other thoughts on this.) You have to be confident in your call because one coach will disagree and argue, so you must have a strong understanding of the rule. I agree that the last to touch the ball as it goes out of the attack box determines the call. Remember it could be a play-on? but only if the D has a QUICK chance to pick it up and go. Don't let too much time be wasted if the D cannot readily pick up the loose ball.

Re: Keep It In

2009-05-15T16:09:52Z

The key in this scenario is "which team last touched the ball prior to
leaving the box?" If attacking Team A touched it ...delay of
game ... If defensive Team B touched it ...Team A has 10 sec to
return to the box and "keep it in".
The loose ball scrums and the fact that both teams touch the ball has

Keep It In

2009-05-15T15:12:39Z

Situation: Team A, up by several goals, brings the ball into the
attack area with less than 2 min in Q4. Ref's announce "Keep It In"
and rule 6-10 Stalling is in effect. Team B checks ball carrier, a
loose ball results within the attack box, and in the scrum, both teams
add impetus to the loose ball which eventually leaks out of the attack

Re: Face off technical foul

2009-05-08T20:11:54Z

In your situation as described, here is what happens:?As a ref, we?have an immediate "play-on" (which should not last for more than 1-3 seconds.) Once team A gets the ball the "play-on" is over ( correct mechanic is to yell the color of the team that is to get possession, which indicates the play-on is over).? Since the infraction is a "loose ball" play, no time will be served.Once possession is achieved, the players behind the restraining line are released, thus no time can ever be served for this violation; only awarding the possession of the ball.

Face off technical foul

2009-05-08T16:47:04Z

I had the situation below occur . . .

Situation: Team A and B are facing off. Team A takes posession of
loose ball from face off and Team B defensive players immediately
cross the restraining line before posession is called.

Question: This is a technical foul, but is it a 30 second time-

Re: When does the 10 second count begin?

2009-05-05T15:27:15Z

Good question. The count (20 or 10) depends upon possession in high school (Federation). All you said appears to be true if I understood you correctly.? Yes, there are times in fed where there is no count. IE, A player, long pole, in his defensive end of field passes the ball forward across midfield? and no possession is achieved- ball is being kicked around- so NO count. But if that same long pole carried ball across midline and? was checked immediately, losing control/possession, the 10 sec count starts when he crossed midline.

Re: When does the 10 second count begin?

2009-05-05T15:25:38Z

Correct the 20 second clearing count does end once the ball crosses
the midline.. The new 10 second or new 20 second clearing count does
not start in Highschool until there is possession.

When does the 10 second count begin?

2009-05-05T05:06:04Z

A question arose this afternoon about when the 10 second count begins
after the defensive team clears the ball? It seems clear that count
begins when a clearing team player carries the ball across the
midline. It also seems clear when one clearing player passes the ball
ahead to a teammate that the count to get in the box when his teammate

Re: Mistake by Officials

2009-04-29T20:59:54Z

Yes I meant GBS goalie. Also I now have heard that the purported NCAA
mechanic change on this
does not exist. Goalie gets 5 second reset on any restart anywhere.

Re: Mistake by Officials

2009-04-29T18:52:26Z

I agree with the result ...take the goal away and give ball to Loyola.

I think you meant to say "GBS" (not Loyola) "goalie was not allowed 5
seconds"

The rule that was "mis-applied" that started the controversy I believe
was: 2009 NFHS Boys Lacrosse Rule 4.25.3 "The goalkeeper shall be
given a maximum of five seconds to re-enter the crease on any