Desperate George resorts to Plan C (even more cuts)

[Jonksy]

Desperate George resorts to Plan C (even more cuts)

Under pressure: Chancellor George Osborne

He has masterminded successive election victories and been described as a ‘master of the dark political arts’.

Now the terrier-like Lynton Crosby is said to be carefully weighing up whether or not to take on the job of trying to help David Cameron win a majority when Britain goes to the polls.

The apparent reticence of the veteran campaigner, despite being enthusiastically touted for the job, speaks volumes about the scale of the task ahead of Mr Cameron, and the panic breaking out in Tory ranks about how they can possibly win power next time.

Any offer Mr Cameron makes to Mr Crosby, who commands eye-watering fees, is also complicated by the fact that George Osborne is digging in his heels and refusing to budge from his post as the Conservatives’ main strategist.

The Chancellor, I am told, has made clear to Mr Cameron that he wants to remain in full control of the Tories’ General Election campaign.

Even if Mr Crosby, who helped Boris Johnson become Mayor of London, is brought on board, it will not happen until six months before an Election, so until then Mr Osborne remains in charge of tactics. 

But the Chancellor has a fight on his hands if he is to win over party activists sceptical about both his strategic talents and his stewardship of the economy.

 His reputation will be on the  line when he attempts to relaunch Tory economic policy at the  party’s annual conference in  Birmingham in October.

There are signs that Mr Osborne, under immense pressure to prove he can deliver Britain from a triple-dip recession, will unveil more cuts.

A new efficiency drive in Whitehall and fresh assaults on public waste form the basis of what Tory insiders are calling Plan C.

Those wondering about Plan B are a little behind the game, it seems. According to Tory MPs such as John Redwood, the Chancellor moved from Plan A to Plan B without telling anybody.

Lynton Crosby, left, is said to be carefully weighing up whether or not to take on the job of trying to help David Cameron, right, win a majority

Plan A was to remove the structural deficit by 2015, with 80 per cent of this achieved through spending cuts and 20 per cent through increased tax revenue.

Before that was given chance to work, however, Osborne changed course and moved on to Plan B, keeping the idea of eliminating the structural deficit by 2015,  but pinning his hopes on a huge increase in tax revenues while allowing public spending to rise.

This is the plan that really hasn’t worked, according to MPs. As tax revenues plummet, and welfare payments rise, we are  therefore now on Plan C.

And Plan C is inciting fevered debate. While Mr Osborne is pushing a Plan C of cuts, the Lib Dems are demanding a Plan C of capital expenditure, based around a massive house-building project of up to 300,000 homes a year.

A major Coalition battle lies ahead as they slog this one out.

Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, the senior Lib Dem peer, said: ‘There is no way any Lib Dem from the Cabinet downwards is going to stomach more cuts. That would be economic madness and self-mutilation.

‘If George Osborne tries more cuts, he will run into a brick wall of total resistance from the top to the bottom of the Lib Dems.
‘Plan C must be capital expenditure with building of social  housing in the forefront.
‘It needs to be on the scale of the Macmillan house-building programme of the Fifties.

Penny-pinching announcements and tinkering won’t work.’
Some Tory backbenchers, meanwhile, are mischievously suggesting that the C in Plan C stands  for new Chancellor.

‘Never mind stopping Osborne from running the Election. Some of us just wish he would stop running the economy,’ said one backbencher.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2193598/George-Osborne-Desperate-Chancellor-resorts-Plan-C-cuts.html#ixzz24uuwT36Z

[tinman]

It reads like panic has set in. If Clegg is forced out and replaced
it's a sure sign the Lib's have seen the writing on the wall,
and who ever replaces him will do what ever they can to put as much
distance between the parties as they can. As for the Tories,
well you only need to read the comment section.

On 29 Aug, 08:15, Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Desperate George resorts to Plan C (even more cuts)
> [image: Under pressure: Chancellor George Osborne]
>

> *Under pressure: Chancellor George Osborne*

> *Lynton Crosby, left, is said to be carefully weighing up whether or not to
> take on the job of trying to help David Cameron, right, win a majority *

> wish he would stop running the economy,’ said one backbencher.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2193598/George-Osborne-Desp...

[jar]

your wish lists gets longer by the day, have yiou seen the headings that you and Jonsky post? does anything else occupy your minds?

The Lib Dems cant be that blind that they cant see that their prospects at the next election are zilch including Clegg whos far from the flavour of the month in Sheffield. Its back to Brussels for him no doubt with a Mandleson type salary.

Is this your first experience of a mid term parliament tinman because you post as if it is!

[hedgehog]

Well they're saying here that Cameron and Osborne are between them the
most unpopular prime minister and chancellor for something like 60
years. Public confidence in their ability to to rectify the
situation has now fallen to and all time low.

On 29 Aug, 08:15, Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:

> Desperate George resorts to Plan C (even more cuts)
> [image: Under pressure: Chancellor George Osborne]
>

> *Under pressure: Chancellor George Osborne*
>

> *Lynton Crosby, left, is said to be carefully weighing up whether or not to
> take on the job of trying to help David Cameron, right, win a majority *

> wish he would stop running the economy,’ said one backbencher.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2193598/George-Osborne-Desp...

[jar]

Well anyone that can see around the rock of Gibraltar that they have on their shoulder only has to go back to pre 2010 to know that that is a load of biased rubbish

[Jonksy]

Are you saying that your very own daily wail is biased OLD man? because that is where these links come from..

[tinman]

Really, is that a fact.

Chancellor George Osborne’s poll approval rating plummets, pressure on
David Cameron rises

http://www.periscopepost.com/2012/08/chancellor-george-osbornes-poll-approval-rating-plummets-pressure-on-david-cameron-rises/

[Jonksy]

No shit Sherlock..

[hedgehog]

I don't think jar can see what everyone else see's.

On 29 Aug, 15:14, Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> No shit Sherlock..
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, 29 August 2012 14:57:51 UTC+1, tinman wrote:
>
> > Really,   is that a fact.
>
> > Chancellor George Osborne’s poll approval rating plummets, pressure on
> > David Cameron rises
>

> >http://www.periscopepost.com/2012/08/chancellor-george-osbornes-poll-...

[Jonksy]

He doesn't want to see mate..

[hedgehog]

Seems he's not alone. It seems to be a disease thats rife among the
Tories.

[Trueblue]

No Chancellor sorting out the mess left by a Labour government is popular and its very telling the public have even less faith in Labour

[hedgehog]

I think it has more to do with the plain fact that people see him as
incompetent.

[Trueblue]

On Wednesday, 29 August 2012 16:08:03 UTC+1, hedgehog wrote:

I think it has more to do with the plain fact that people see him as
incompetent.

 

Those people should explain the alternative to sorting out the diar mess Labour left, care to have a go Hedgey.?

[hedgehog]

Should they. You mean the mess where the poor are picking up the bill
and the rich are thanks to Cameron and Osborne are becoming even
richer. Is this the mess your posting about TB.

[jar]

and I have to thank God for that for what you see is through the wrong end of the telescope no wonder you only see what you are programmed to see which aint much

[jar]

lol people you mean your lot that have to excite each other by competing to post childish nonsense . Now try posting something important against the gvt. Theres plenty of things that they could improve upon but lets not forget they are trying to sort out the mess they were left and with the so called help of another set of neo socialists. But if your little games excite you you must carry on we like to see kids enjoying themselves

[hedgehog]

As a kid or later in life.........were you beaten up by a
traditionalist Labour supporter. It's just that you posts. You make
little to no sense. Do you even know what your doing jar. The board
this board. Its reduced to 2 old men doing nothing but Ttolling.

Are you both so old you can't see what you are. What you have become.

[Trueblue]

On Wednesday, 29 August 2012 16:17:35 UTC+1, hedgehog wrote:

Should they.  You mean the mess where the poor are picking up the bill
and the rich are thanks to Cameron and Osborne are becoming even
richer.  Is this the mess your posting about TB.

 

Socialist myth, the poor pay no taxes

[hedgehog]

More of your crap won't help either you or the party you desperately
want to retain power. But you want to post it go ahead. If it makes
you and the old fellows feel better.

[hedgehog]

Really do you have any idea just how stupid you are when you post
things like this. Is your head so far up there you really don't
know. Or is it you just don't or can't face facts.

On 29 Aug, 20:12, Trueblue <V6jtrichar...@aim.com> wrote:

[Trueblue]

On Wednesday, 29 August 2012 20:28:10 UTC+1, hedgehog wrote:

Really do you have any idea just how stupid you are when you post
things like this.

 

Do post how much income tax & NI the Poor pay and what tax credits and benefits they receive and the tell us the Tax & NI someone on £200k per year pays

[hedgehog]

Errr NO. You posted the poor pay no tax. Thats what you posted. I
need explain nothing.

[hedgehog]

Come on TB stand by what you posted.

[Trueblue]

O

 

 Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:10:34 UTC+1, hedgehog wrote:

 

Errr NO.  You posted the poor pay no tax.    Thats what you posted.  I
need explain nothing.

The fact you wont answer says it all

[hedgehog]

OK You posted the poor pay no taxes. And now you can't back this
up.

[hedgehog]

So you going to tell us how it is the poor pay no tax or not. some
how I think it'll be or not.

[Trueblue]

On Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:18:07 UTC+1, hedgehog wrote:

OK You posted the poor pay no taxes.  And now you can't back this
up.

When are you going to answer how much income tax they pay Hedgey.?

[hedgehog]

You posted and if you want I'll cut and paste it. The poor pay NO
tax.


Theres no room for you to wriggle just explain.

[hedgehog]

You know what.......You're so small fry I'm going to let you off. I
really have no interest in the likes of you TB.

[Trueblue]

On Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:26:55 UTC+1, hedgehog wrote:

You posted and if you want I'll cut and paste it.   The poor pay NO
tax.

 

So tell us exactly what income tax they pay.?

[hedgehog]

So tell us what you posted.

[Jonksy]

Just because you USE big red letters it doesn't hide the fact that you are now wriggling locky..

[hedgehog]

Nope come away jon. It's one of the reason's they'll never again
hold power there. Out of touch to the point of not even knowing.

On 29 Aug, 21:42, Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Just because you *USE* *big red* letters it doesn't hide the fact that you

[Jonksy]

Yep I print most of their crap out now and pin it on the hangar walls at work it is a shame not to share so much comedy and it has the guys here in stitches..

[hedgehog]

They're best left to what they hang onto so dearly. The past. and
now I'm off to work. ah yes work the thing the Tories deprived so many
of all those years ago.

[Trueblue]

On Wednesday, 29 August 2012 21:38:33 UTC+1, hedgehog wrote:

So tell us what you posted.

 

Tell us how much income tax the poor pay.?

[hedgehog]

Thats not what you posted though is it. You said they paid NO tax.
Like your party your hung up on lies. BYE.

[Jonksy]

And are still depriving mate...Nothing changes under the tories the rich get richer and the poor are shafted...Same shit different day is all..

[Trueblue]

On Wednesday, 29 August 2012 22:00:21 UTC+1, hedgehog wrote:

Thats not what you posted though is it.  You said they paid NO tax.

 

Do tell what tax they pay over and above the tax credits and benefits they receive

[Jonksy]

Still wriggling then locky the liar?

[tinman]

As he said thats not what you posted is... You know that but you being
what you are you're now stuck aren't you. You don't want to look the
fool you are and you can't bring yourself to admit you posted
something you now know was wrong.

So what to do. It's a bit of a problem isn't it.

Telling lies means as your now ell aware you need to cover your butt
or post as your doing even more lies.

Mmmmm when to stop though hey TB.

Your in deep now and are looking a fool and a liar to boot.

So when to stop.

No keep going we need a good laugh anf you've been voted it.

[Trueblue]

On Wednesday, 29 August 2012 22:12:48 UTC+1, tinman wrote:

As he said thats not what you posted is...

 

Then perhaps you could answer what nett tax the poor pay after benefits and tax credits

[GBur3]

Plan A or plan C or plan Z - the tories are cruising towards their
largest defeat since - well - since 1997 (and this one may well be on
a similar scale).

Labour are holding solidly above the 40% mark in the polls. They WILL
be the next government if this continues - no two ways about it. The
coalition has united the British left in a way not seen for decades.
Labour have successfully added about two thirds of the old lib dem
support onto their core vote. If the coalition can't work some magic
by the next election, it's over for them.

On Aug 29, 8:15 am, Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Desperate George resorts to Plan C (even more cuts)
> [image: Under pressure: Chancellor George Osborne]
>
> *Under pressure: Chancellor George Osborne*
>
> He has masterminded successive election victories and been described as a
> ‘master of the dark political arts’.
>
> Now the terrier-like Lynton Crosby is said to be carefully weighing up
> whether or not to take on the job of trying to help David Cameron win a
> majority when Britain goes to the polls.
>
> The apparent reticence of the veteran campaigner, despite being
> enthusiastically touted for the job, speaks volumes about the scale of the
> task ahead of Mr Cameron, and the panic breaking out in Tory ranks about
> how they can possibly win power next time.
>
> Any offer Mr Cameron makes to Mr Crosby, who commands eye-watering fees, is
> also complicated by the fact that George Osborne is digging in his heels
> and refusing to budge from his post as the Conservatives’ main strategist.
>
> The Chancellor, I am told, has made clear to Mr Cameron that he wants to
> remain in full control of the Tories’ General Election campaign.
>
> Even if Mr Crosby, who helped Boris Johnson become Mayor of London, is
> brought on board, it will not happen until six months before an Election,
> so until then Mr Osborne remains in charge of tactics.
>
> But the Chancellor has a fight on his hands if he is to win over party
> activists sceptical about both his strategic talents and his stewardship of
> the economy.
>  His reputation will be on the  line when he attempts to relaunch Tory
> economic policy at the  party’s annual conference in  Birmingham in October.
>
> There are signs that Mr Osborne, under immense pressure to prove he can
> deliver Britain from a triple-dip recession, will unveil more cuts.
>
> A new efficiency drive in Whitehall and fresh assaults on public waste form
> the basis of what Tory insiders are calling Plan C.
>
> Those wondering about Plan B are a little behind the game, it seems.
> According to Tory MPs such as John Redwood, the Chancellor moved from Plan
> A to Plan B without telling anybody.
>   [image: Lynton Crosby]
>  [image: Prime Minister David Cameron]
>
> *Lynton Crosby, left, is said to be carefully weighing up whether or not to
> take on the job of trying to help David Cameron, right, win a majority *
>
> Plan A was to remove the structural deficit by 2015, with 80 per cent of
> this achieved through spending cuts and 20 per cent through increased tax
> revenue.
>
> Before that was given chance to work, however, Osborne changed course and
> moved on to Plan B, keeping the idea of eliminating the structural deficit
> by 2015,  but pinning his hopes on a huge increase in tax revenues while
> allowing public spending to rise.
>
> This is the plan that really hasn’t worked, according to MPs. As tax
> revenues plummet, and welfare payments rise, we are  therefore now on Plan
> C.
>
> And Plan C is inciting fevered debate. While Mr Osborne is pushing a Plan C
> of cuts, the Lib Dems are demanding a Plan C of capital expenditure, based
> around a massive house-building project of up to 300,000 homes a year.
>
> A major Coalition battle lies ahead as they slog this one out.
>
> Lord Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, the senior Lib Dem peer, said: ‘There is no
> way any Lib Dem from the Cabinet downwards is going to stomach more cuts.
> That would be economic madness and self-mutilation.
>
> ‘If George Osborne tries more cuts, he will run into a brick wall of total
> resistance from the top to the bottom of the Lib Dems.
> ‘Plan C must be capital expenditure with building of social  housing in the
> forefront.
> ‘It needs to be on the scale of the Macmillan house-building programme of
> the Fifties.
>
> Penny-pinching announcements and tinkering won’t work.’
> Some Tory backbenchers, meanwhile, are mischievously suggesting that the C
> in Plan C stands  for new Chancellor.
>
> ‘Never mind stopping Osborne from running the Election. Some of us just
> wish he would stop running the economy,’ said one backbencher.http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2193598/George-Osborne-Desp...

[GBur3]

Most of the tax burden is shouldered by the less well off - purely due
to their overwhelming numbers.

[Trueblue]

On Wednesday, 29 August 2012 22:39:24 UTC+1, GBur3 wrote:

Plan A or plan C or plan Z - the tories are cruising towards their
largest defeat since - well - since 1997 (and this one may well be on
a similar scale).

Labour are holding solidly above the 40% mark in the polls.

 

Right Alex, now tell us how you think Labour would have coped given the collapse of the Eurozone and their addmitted policy of ignoring the deficit.

 

The Coalition admitted and knew they would be unpopular, in fact we know thats exactly why Enron Brown refused to form a Coalition with the Liberals knowing gullibles like you would blame any new government for the mess Labour left, if you look back I posted several times you gullibles would Blame every ill on the new Government.

 

Now just for once try to think laterally, forget the media hype and bollax, Enron Brown and Darling both stated it would at least a decade to recover from the slump they created, look back at history, it took a decade to recover from the 1930s slump, 4 years to recover from Labours 1979 slump and this is the worst slump in history.

 

Now look at the Eurozone, France has ignored austerity despite decades of living beyound its means, lets ignore the others for now because the french economy is the most similar to ours, its growth over the last 2 years is no different to ours except its borrowing has soared, its interest on that borrowing has soared, unemployment is higher and rising and its exports are declining unlike ours, they are using Labours Plan A.

 

So now come back and give us YOUR definitive explaination of how Labours Plan A will get us out of the mess THEY CREATED

[jar]

If you knew the meaning of trolling you would recognise that is exactly. What you and your pals are posting is pretty desperate stuff don't you realise that others can see how stupid they make you seem. Frankly I can't see any worthwhile purpose why you bother but if that's how you get your kicks carry on and prove just how pathetic you are. Any hope of using this board with you and your pack is. Impossible

[Jonksy]

TROLL ALERT.!

[Affa]

On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 11:01:30 PM UTC+1, Trueblue wrote:

The Coalition admitted and knew they would be unpopular,

 

 

 Barclays have just appointed a new Chief Executive, the last one screwed up and is gone.

 If this new one screws up he'll be gone.

 You don't bring a guy to restore credibility and fortunes and keep him if both go down the pan.

What you expect is action, possibly some economy saving measures, a better way of doing things,

and results.

If you don't get the results he's out, if you do he stays and is congratulated.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jar]

The nation did just that in 2010 AFFA

[Trueblue]

On Thursday, 30 August 2012 12:13:19 UTC+1, Affa wrote:

The Coalition admitted and knew they would be unpopular,

 

 

 You don't bring a guy to restore credibility and fortunes and keep him if both go down the pan.

What you expect is action,

 

What did you expect in just two years Affa, your beloved Brown and Darling both stated it would at least a decade to recover the economy and that was before the Eurozone collapse

 

 

 

 

 

[Affa]

On Thursday, August 30, 2012 12:38:51 PM UTC+1, Trueblue wrote:

The Coalition admitted and knew they would be unpopular,

 

 

 You don't bring a guy to restore credibility and fortunes and keep him if both go down the pan.

What you expect is action,

 

What did you expect in just two years Affa, your beloved Brown and Darling both stated it would at least a decade to recover the economy and that was before the Eurozone collapse

 

 

 I did expect a double-recession once Osborne was appointed Chancellor. Did you?

I didn't expect the Private Sector to grow and create the jobs for those lost in the public sector - did you?

I didn't expect to see the deficit removed in this Parliament - did you?

I didn't expect to see the inflation target reached under this government - did you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[AWM]

Hang on TB, only a short time ago, you were, but failing
spectacularly, asserting that those working 16 hours a week, on the
national minimum wage, were paying tax/NIC.

On Aug 29, 8:12 pm, Trueblue <V6jtrichar...@aim.com> wrote:
>
> Socialist myth, the poor pay no taxes

[Trueblue]

On Thursday, 30 August 2012 13:11:59 UTC+1, Affa wrote:

 

 

 I did expect a double-recession once Osborne was appointed Chancellor. Did you?

 

Brown expected a double dip dip recession knowing the blip in GDP was gerrymandering

 

I didn't expect the Private Sector to grow and create the jobs for those lost in the public sector - did you?

 

Yet they have despite diar warnings from the looney left

 

I didn't expect to see the deficit removed in this Parliament - did you?

 

Its very close and even you must admit the Eurozone crisis which both Darling and Brown never anticipated is the reason

 

I didn't expect to see the inflation target reached under this government - did you?

 

Again its close given the huge underlying inflation caused by QE and worldwide rising prices beyound ANY governments control

 

 

 

 

 

 

[jar]

Then you would sympathise with all those experts who also couldnt forsee with what was going to happen. Frankly they dont seem to be able to tell us with one voice with what is happening let alone whats going to. Fact is that the situation changes almost by the day

[Affa]

On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:35:55 PM UTC+1, jar wrote:

 

Then you would sympathise with all those experts who also couldnt forsee with what was going to happen.

 

 

But Jar; it was predicted!

As soon as George revealed his deficit reduction plan the argument that he would lead the country into recession began ......... and George said "no way".

The guy is a disaster Jar, and even Tories are saying that now.

Get real, get a reality check, .......... I made the statement a while back that EVENTUALLY both you and TB will

turn on Osborne, will support his removal, and will of course put all your faith into whoever replaces him - as long as it is not Vince Cable or David Laws, or Danny Alexander. lol

 

 

 

 

 

[Trueblue]

On Thursday, 30 August 2012 13:53:06 UTC+1, Affa wrote:

On Thursday, August 30, 2012 1:35:55 PM UTC+1, jar wrote:

 

Then you would sympathise with all those experts who also couldnt forsee with what was going to happen.

 

 

But Jar; it was predicted!

 

Not by Brown or Darling it wasn't

[jar]

Dunno about Laws AFFA despite his personal problems he seems to know his onions.

However you refuse to take on board the obvious fact that chancellors are just the face on the cover of a book . Policy is decided by a treasury team. So many posts Ive written on ministers being the supposed masters of knowledge in the field they represent seems to have not gained your notice, I reminded you about Alan Johnson and how does one minister become an authority one day of  particular subject and next day one on another subject during a reshuffle

[Affa]

On Thursday, August 30, 2012 2:03:59 PM UTC+1, jar wrote:

 

. Policy is decided by a treasury team. So many posts Ive written on ministers being the supposed masters of knowledge in the field they represent seems to have not gained your notice,

 

 

Policy is decided by the Cabinet, the treasury simply carry out those policy instructions ......... supposedly.

In effect there are 'advisors' who can influence policy ....... and do, when it is obviouse that some policy decissions require revision..

Do you think Gordon Brown was 'guided' by administrators, or has your opinion been formed to excuse George Osborne?

 

 

 

[jar]

No it's there to rebut false allegations

[jar]

No it's there to rebut false allegations .i have given you instances which you need to ignore. As far asBrown is concerned that was down to Balls who listened only to Balls and led to the problems that you would have us believe we're successes

[jar]

The person that predicted the tax bombshell and presumably all the problems that went with it was John Major having recognised the result of Browns profligacy

[Anthonychng]

No, of course not , most proper thinking people would not have
expected any of those things in anything under 5 years. Labour had
left behind them such deep-rooted disasters that some of us at least,
thought patience would indeed be a virtue. You, obviously expected
magic or, failing that, a series of "told you so"postings. We have
been receiving them from you ever since the coalition was formed.
What we have not received, however, is your well thought-out econimic
plan for the future of this country......although it has been
requested on numerous occasions. I will give you a start. "My
plan , one that differes from that of the coalition is......." over
to you!

> did you?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[Anthonychng]

Right.....read that........and your alternative is.........come on,
still waiting.

[Anthonychng]

Gordon Brown was guided by no-body. There WERE advisers waiting in
the wings, but he ignored them and went his own sweet (grumpy) way.
The results of his way are to be seen today. If Osborne had been
handed the kind of comparatively healthy exchequer that Brown was you
and your fellow Labour luvvies might not be in a position to whinge.
Why? Because the Tory element of the coalition might just have been
able to carry out business supporting policies instead of just trying
to claw back money and redu ce borrowings......a truly thankless task.

[Affa]

On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:40:08 PM UTC+1, Anthonychng wrote:

 

No, of course not , most proper thinking people would not have
expected any of those things in anything under 5 years.

 

Thank you! But George Osborne and David Cameron can' be "proper thinking people", because those

are what they did promise in under five years.

 

 .   "My plan , one that differes from  that of the coalition is......."   over

to you! ......... to get rid of George Osborne, as a first step. The man is inept! The man is a liability!

 

 

 

 

[Affa]

On Friday, August 31, 2012 5:45:32 PM UTC+1, Anthonychng wrote:

 

Gordon Brown was guided by no-body.   There WERE advisers waiting in
the wings, but he ignored them and went his own sweet (grumpy) way.

 

 

I pretty much agree with that ......... try convincing Jar of it - he excuses Osborne by telling us that the Treasury (permanent)

make all the major decisions.

 

 

 

[jar]

But as Mandy Rice Davis said you would say that wouldnt you. Every gvt minister has to take his or her turn to be targetted . I understand that its politics. However when seeking a solution to the mess the economy was and still is in you do all you can to avoid who should take the responsibilty and criticise those that have been left to clear up the mess. 
Under less serious circumstances it would be humerous but in these its an effort to pass the buck which will not be swallowed.

I spoken about George Osborne and you cant say on one hand about his schooling and university education which is the best this country can afford is elitist and on the other hand that the man is useless. Its called cherry picking.

As Ive said I cannot believe ministers holding any portfolio are masters of their subject and have given examples .

Suffice it to say twice now this country has suffered under Labour. The last time after a 13 year tenure and you are expecting resuklts in 3o months to pull it around. Sorry chum it doesnt work like that

[Affa]

On Saturday, September 1, 2012 4:41:28 PM UTC+1, jar wrote:

 

. The last time after a 13 year tenure and you are expecting resuklts in 3o months to pull it around. Sorry chum it doesnt work like that

 

 

But Cameron stood for election saying "it can happen like that", that ten years was too long, that he and his mate would do it in five years.

 

 

[Jonksy]

And jar and the other gullible suckers fell for it Affa...I can post the links to their old post stating how the economy was going to be turned around and ALL the unemployed would be found work...LOL they aint nothing like the brochure these tories are they?