Cameron told "SHUT IT YOU PRICK". he's one of our own.

[tinman]

David Cameron was in full retreat over his condemnation of celebrity
tax avoiders last night, following warnings that his attack on Jimmy
Carr could open a Pandora’s Box.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162697/Jimmy-Carr-tax-evasion-After-attack-avoidance-David-Cameron-backs-down.html

[jar]

 Yes he would have done better to keep his mouth shut but a direct question was put to him and he had to give an answer . Any answer he gave would have been seized upon by his detractors. Mind you a precedence had been made a while ago when Osborne referred to the practice as morally repugnant

[AWM]

'Legal' and 'Tax Avoidance'....an Accountants two favourite words....lovely !

 

That said, Cameron is a hypocrite....nowt new there.

On Friday, June 22, 2012 2:36:38 PM UTC+1, tinman wrote:

[Jane]

Cameron is quite right.  All multimillionaire tax avoiders are behaving in a morally repugnant way, and that includes Gary Barlow, Lord Ashcroft and, apparently, David Cameron's very own daddy.  Being a Tory supporter only adds to their moral bankruptcy.

 

On Friday, June 22, 2012 2:36:38 PM UTC+1, tinman wrote:

[AWM]

Not sure what the problem is really?

 

'Multi-millionaires' already pay more in tax over a few years than the rest of us pay in a life time.

 

They also pay bucket loads of VAT on expensive cars, goods, luxuries and other purchases.

 

They generally have companies that employ people, thus adding to the PAYE and NIC coffers.

 

Not forgetting stamp duty that would make a mere mortal have a heart attack on homes and other property.

 

On Friday, June 22, 2012 4:32:42 PM UTC+1, Jane wrote:

Cameron is quite right.  All multimillionaire tax avoiders are behaving in a morally repugnant way, and that includes Gary Barlow, Lord Ashcroft and, apparently, David Cameron's very own daddy.  Being a Tory supporter only adds to their moral bankruptcy.

 

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[Jane]

You're 'not sure what the problem is really' Ant because you're entirely ignorant of the facts.

[AWM]

That'll be me Jane, and I think you'll find I have better knowledge than most of the facts :) x

[Jane]

OMG AW, it's a good job my first response was lost when AOL booted me else you'd be putting out a contract on me for what I said to Ant <gg>

 

In any event, I was talking directly about those multimillionaires who use this 'morally repugnant' scam to avoid paying more than a minute amount of tax, not the average socially conscious carey sharey multimillionare, such as yourself :O))

 

By the way, are you married?  Wanna be?

Don't panic, I have daughters  <gg>

[AWM]

Oh Jane.....lol.

 

I've hung up the 'jack boots' dontcha know....I, also, no longer hang around in seedy pubs, making plans for world domination, facilitating the need for direct  high speed rail links to Poland, or for the manufacture of baby bayonets. You will not even catch me saying, in my bestest Eastend manor voice, 'sniff......yeah, let's go an do the lefties'

 

I'm all cuddly, understanding and forgiving these day and would never 'put out a contract' (except where TB is concerned....lol)

 

Taken.....sorry, but thanks for asking x :)

[Trueblue]

On Jun 22, 2:55 pm, AWM <Anotherwhite...@aol.com> wrote:

> That said, Cameron is a hypocrite....nowt new there.

Odd no condemnation on here at Carrs blatant Tax avoidance and not a
word about Labour MPs screaming in the HOC to have Gary Barlows Queens
honour removed

[AWM]

Nothing odd about it all TB.

 

The topic of the thread is clear, just as was the one posted yesterday about Carr and tax avoidance, where people left their comments accordingly.

[GBur3]

Didn't the Camoron avoid tax on his father's estate?

On Jun 22, 2:36 pm, tinman <tinman080...@aol.com> wrote:
> David Cameron was in full retreat over his condemnation of celebrity
> tax avoiders last night, following warnings that his attack on Jimmy
> Carr could open a Pandora’s Box.
>

> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2162697/Jimmy-Carr-tax-evasio...

[jar]

Wouldnt mind all these excessive taxes if they were not wasted on ensuring luxury life styles for our obediant public servants etc . plus of course all the other waste . When will these people start spending our money as if it were their own. I think it was Lawson that proved by lowering tax the treasury increased its tax recepts. Now there can be little doubt that there are bonuses for those that can think of new ways of taxing the public. I wonder after all these direct and indirect taxes have been deducted , bearing in mind the producers and sellers contributions just how much the indivual has left in his £1.

 

Little wonder that many get fed up with being treated as fools. 

[Anthonychng]

Ant? AWM is not, so far as I am aware.......Ant. Unless he is
another Anthony and you are referring to him. See, I have not made
ANY posting on this subject so you have either got your knickers in a
twist or are guilty of YOUR facts, by referring to the wrong person.

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[Anthonychng]

No idea GBur. Did he? How interesting.

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[GBur3]

There was something Anthony. Everthing was divided up in such a way
that none of the thresholds for paying tax were reached. I'm 90%
certain on it. If I'm correct, then Camoron has just taken a bazooka
to both feet...

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[GBur3]

Just looked it up - Cameron's dad set it all up so that his spawn
could get maximum benefit from his wealth after his death. Nothing
wrong with that, I suppose - and Cameron didn't technically do
anything wrong, but still - it stinks a bit considering what he's
saying now.

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[AWM]

Calm down dear......

[Jane]

Oh dear Ant, do try to catch up poppet - I put my mistake right 3 days ago.

 

On Monday, June 25, 2012 4:38:08 PM UTC+1, Anthonychng wrote:

[jar]

sins of the fathers eh but wasnt that the mans job? just like a lawyer who points out legal ways to seerve his clients? Just another socialist swipe at Tories . What a nerve are you saying this is all something new? If so why didnt Labour plug the loophole the answer should be very clear.

[Anthonychng]

He is a politician GBur. One of a breed that has never actually
gained practical experience in the workplace. In that respect he is
no different to Blair or a whole spawn of university bred political
animals. Nevertheless, whilst he may have thought he would have had
a fairly easy ride after the disaster that was the Labour government,
he and the entire coalition, have been landed with an almost
insurmountable mountain of problems, with little time to prepare for
them. So, yes, Cameron makes mistakes and no, he is not a Tory.
Because of the immediacy of the media these days, he probably also
says things (that are published straight away) that, given a little
time for thought, he would not have said. As for his Dad trying to
keep as much of his wealth as possible.......wouldn`t you? I wish I
had the brains, or could afford to employ them, to outwit the tax man
or anyone else who wants to rob me of the rewards of a life-time`s
work. 50 years work and the taxes that are taken throughout that
time, should be enough. Not though are they? I am still taxed.

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[Anthonychng]

Ah, but then I don`t slavishy read everything you post Jane. Sorry
about that. It is only when I spot the word "Ant" and usually the
attempt at insults that accompany it that I read further.

On Jun 26, 6:35 am, Jane <RCFa...@aol.com> wrote:
> Oh dear Ant, do *try* to catch up poppet - I put my mistake right 3 days

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[Jane]

Ah, that's some explanation for your consistent ignorance then poppet

[jar]

What a shame two of my favourite people and I know to be genuine are having a spat and about what?

[Jonksy]

Oh dear and there are you always spouting on about having your finger on the pulse jar...ROFLMAO

[jar]

what a pity you cant award yourself stars any more Jonsky Im see you reckon that posts a masterpiece

[Jonksy]

Nobody cauld themselves stars jar...Thanks for proving my point yet again, oh dear being dumb must be a tory trait....

[Anthonychng]

"Poppet?" Just how old are you Jane? And ignorant of what
exactly? My "explanation" was just to point out that few of your
postings are interesting enough to warrant more than a cursery glance
but the occasional trigger word "Ant" warrants further
inspection.

[jar]

well someone did , theres no way some of your daft posts would get more stars than there are posters , I accept most come from your idea of politics but they aint that daft . Tory trait Jonsky you are priceless.

[Jonksy]

You bloody Tory supporters are as mad as a box of frogs. Still keep up the good work of showing yourself up for the daft prick that you are it saves the rest of us having to point it out jar. The reason you don't like my posts is because they show the tits up Tories for what they are.

[Tiger]

LOL Jane's posts are a damn sight more interesting than yours

[jar]

Thanks for proving just how accurate my posts about you are Jonsky. Once again NO CONTENT

[Jonksy]

No I have taken a leaf from yours and Doris's book jar. And as for content my content just makes you shoot the messenger. We ALL KNOW how you wriggled the last time I asked you a straightforward question.

[tinman]

Two old men that haven't worked in lord knows how many years roaming
from thread to thread telling other posters how to think and post.

They are SO funny.

[jar]

I see nothing to say then Tinman you become more pathetic by the post

[jar]

Once again 0/10 for content . You havnt the brains to think for yourself but at least you admit to taking a leaf out of Ant and My book. 

[tinman]

Hey if it's not true prove me wrong old man prove me wrong.

[Jonksy]

Like I said jar you don't like the content because it shows up the Tories for the shite that they are and as for you and Doris once we have read one of your posts we have read them all.

[Jonksy]

He will go into wriggle mode now Tinman. As he did when I asked him if he thought that now immigration is up by 21% it shows a failure in Tory policy. They are bloody priceless these old Tory braindead.

[jar]

lol dont have to you do a good job of doing that yourself ignoramous

[jar]

lol author author !!

[Jonksy]

So if I am an ignoramuses what does that make you old man. I can see the mess that your lot have made over the last hundred years and you cannot as you still vote and support the tossers.

[jar]

There are two of you Jonsky God help us and you would be an ignoramus compared to anyone I know. Yes apparently you can see the mess that the Tories have made of it but apparently are unable to see the mess that Labour have.

[AWM]

But jar, Jonsky is perfectly aware of the mess Labour made, he, like me, probably fails to see the requirement of indulging in a history lesson every time the Tories are mentioned.

 

We were, after all, told things would be different under the Tories.

[Jonksy]

It's just the Tory way AWM if you don't agree with the usual braindead Tory Crinoids you must support labour. If labour were in now and immigration had risen by 21% and the fact that we are in double dip recession jar and co would be in their element slagging off labour but because this is happening under their lot we are
supposed to turn a blind eye. Or either blame labour the unions or the lib dems.

[Anthonychng]

Hello tinman. "Two old men that haven`t worked in Lord knows how
many years....." what a truly fatuous and stupid comment. The fact
that both Jar and I worked a total of 50 years .....paid work that
is , would be a novelty today because very few people do so. Then
there is the other sort of work.....unpaid but rewarding
nevertheless. Do you do any of that? I somehow doubt it. But I
do. As for roaming from thread to thread.....do you not do that? I
seem to see the name "tinman" on various threads, and as for telling
other posters how to think and post, you most certainly do that.
Usually quite wrongly of course but that does not stop you. I think
you will find that Jar and myself post what WE think and leave it up
to others to rersort ot bits and pieces out of various newspapers to
form their opinions. You may not agree with my opinions.....but
they are mine....not borrowed!

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[Anthonychng]

There you go again. Schoolboy bluster. "Yer.....go on
then....prove me wrong.......yer....can`t can yer.....my Dad`s bigger
`n your Dad!!!" Why all this guff about proving everything? And
all this sudden ageism reference. "Old man" as though it were some
kind of disease instead of the result of living long enough to have
seen far more than you have, gained far more experience of life than
you have and survived many trials and tribualtions along the
way.....but still here. Something you are going to have to get used
to!

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[Jonksy]

Old age in Tory indoctrinated twats like you and jar is decease Doris. The bloody pair of you haven't got a bloody clue.

[jar]

In two years AWM thats a big ask and if Jonsky doesnt need reminding of History we must ask ourselves why he keeps mentioning hag Thatcher. No he and tinman spend their time trying to blame the \tories for our present problems and I being one of the few on this board that are certain that Socialsm doesnt work remind him of cause and effect.

[jar]

Usual crap .

[AWM]

Perhaps it is a big ask jar and perhaps Jonsky only mentions Thatcher when Tory culpability for anything, at anytime, is denied,  and usually follows a standard 'socialist plank' type jibe or a 'it's all labours fault since the history of recorded time gunvor'.

 

Neither myself, or Jonsky are Socialist and therefore need no history lesson of the last Labour Government's disastrous term of office, as that is a given.

 

Some expected better from Cameron, others, myself included, did not. 

[Jane]

'Neither myself, or Jonsky are Socialist and therefore need no history lesson of the last Labour Government's disastrous term of office'

 

Congratulations for the non sequitor of the week.

[jar]

Did you expect better of Cameron before he was saddled with the Lib Dems or after AWM. Plank is not in my usual vocabulary either AVM and I only respond to unecessary insults..What out problems and necessarty austerity is down to has to be part of the debate. You obviouslt share Jonskys opinion of Mrs T. I do not for apart from her faults which I admit were there towards the end of her premiership I think she did a lot for this country. Personally I do think its mostly Labours fault its hardly a coincidence that this is the second time weve been left in a mess and what I object to is the social experiments which has left us in a country hardly recognisable to what it was . I am pleased to see some of this being rectified even with having to agree to some of the Lib Dems daft ideas to get it into law.

As you have seen both Ant and I have our reservations on Cameron but have to factor in his problems with the Lib Dems. Whatever you and Jonsky are Jonsky and his pal spend their time on castigating and insulting anyone that doesnt agree with their anti gvt ideas. Anyone that doesnt agree with them is labelled a Tory where in fact we dont have a Tory gvt but a coalition which is quite different.One thing I do know is that I wouldnt support what is now the opposition for all the tea in China especially as I know who their masters are. Quite clever really having lost their fight against Mrs.T they have restored their power by making the opposition relieant on them. This of course is now obvious why private funding wasnt stopped as they didnt want to include Union funding.

 

Those are my opinions and I will respond to false and exagerated claims.which I dont agree with as I have done with Camerons overseas aid and obvious lack of touch with those outside his coterie..

 

On Friday, June 29, 2012 12:13:51 AM UTC+1, AWM wrote:

[AWM]

At no time did I expect better of Cameron jar...he might as well be Blair in a blue suit. Style over substance.

 

Can't recall ever posting about Thatcher, so not sure where your assumption came from. I voted for her at the time.

 

Funnily enough mate, I only ever 'castigate' those that revert to insults in the first place, especially TB, so you, again, seem to be lumping me in with others.

 

I will, however, always get bored as hell when you, in particular, never accept a legitimate complaint against the current incumbent at No 10 without you wanting a mention of the last. Neither have served this country well for decades.

 

Personally, I now find politics extremely boring and have very little to do with it but will, on occasion, pop in here just to see what spin is being spun and to point out just how wise and insightful I, and others, were back in the day.

[AWM]

Appreciate that Jane...I worked hard on that post just so a few could actually understand it :)

[jar]

 

 

Its plain he wasnt the ideal choice true conservatives would have hoped for and had Blair arrived on the scene to challenge him he might well have won . He never was true Labour but as I have previously posted saw an opportunity wikth an unelectable Labour party and a week Tory gvt and took it.

 

No you didnt I was replying to your points about Jonkys continued posting about 'hag Thatcher'

 

You have completely mistaken what I said . TB & Jonsky have their punch and Judy shows and I was referring the word plank to TB . Its not a word that I use. I also said that I only respond to insults and you dont have to be a genious to identify those that post little else and as it happens you are not on that list.

 

I repeat I have made numerous complaints about no 10 myself but invite you to re read Tinman,Jonsky and Affa who have to scrape the barrel to write some of the trivia they do which I find totally stupid and inaccurate. I realise Im on a board that regards anyone that doesnt agree with their style of politics as enemies of the state (their state) . I refer to the last gvt as it is they once again that have been in power for the last 13 years who else should I refer to?

 

I too find the type of politics on this board getting less interesting and miss the old board where debate was the order of the day and we had hosts that would stop much of what goes on here.

[Jonksy]

What colour is your sky jar? No one I repeat no one has to scrape the bottom of the barrel for these stories they are headline news. But I suppose we can tell by your posts that you either do not understand the written word or the media you receive is heavily censored by Tory central orifice.

[jar]

usual crap

[Jonksy]

Then stop spouting it then jar...Your shite is all over this board..

[jar]

and yours isnt ? lol

[Jonksy]

At least I use facts and not well worn Tory bullshit jar. Never mind old man keep taking the Tory pill.

[jar]

you wouldnt know a fact if you fell over one.

[Jonksy]

Oh look jar is showing us all his punch and judy. Talking of FACTS jar you were asked if it was a failure of Tory policy now immigration is up by 21% so would you like to give a factual answer rather than your usual evasive shite?

[jar]

Fuck off Jonsky I cant put what God hasnt into your empty head. Its all been explained again and again.

[Jane]

<thwack>

[Jonksy]

Oh dear still evading the question then old man. LOL. Oh dear so much for your self opinionated moral high ground. You do make us laugh jar.

[jar]

Sorry Jane but there are times when you realise after all other avenues have been tried that that is probably the only language the fool might understand. I really should take a leaf out of Ants book and not bother with the man after all I wouldnt be missing much and I could use that time to teach my dog how to play chess with better results.

[Jonksy]

You would have thought he would have shown some manners and said "please" Jane.

[jar]

Scroll back and you will find that I have said please Jonsky and that was to ask you to stop posting and commenting on what Ive written. Didnt do any good though.

[jar]

How many times do you need a question being answered Jonsky . If you stopped laughing and started concentrating you wouldnt make such an idiot of yourself

[Jonksy]

Dream on old man if you think that I will allow your usual bollocks to go unchallenged.

[Jonksy]

Only the once jar, so would you like to give it a crack rather than your usual evasion tactics?

[jar]

author author!!

[jar]

Pointless excercise jonsky if you havnt understood the first dozen times what chance is there you would understand this time.

[Jonksy]

Oh so you will be able to link to your fictitious answers the jar. I await in anticipation.

[jar]

Do us all a favour and try holding your breath Jonsky

[Jonksy]

So still no answer then jar? How quaint...Come on old man you are supposedly the fountain of knowledge but I guess like all old tory farts you are all hot air and dribble,,..

[jar]

Not for you Jonsky its a complete waste of time.

[Jonksy]

Oh dear yet again no answer you are a joke old man..

[jar]

dont you get it by now idiot you are not worth an answer.

[Jonksy]

Wriggle wriggle jar ROFLMAO...