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Jonksy  
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 More options Jan 15, 2:29 pm
From: Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 11:29:25 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 2:29 pm
Subject: Yep the tories are in...

Royal Navy spends £50bn on new fighter jets... but they can't even land on
aircraft carriers

By Anthony Bond
<http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/search.html?s=&authornamef=Anthony+Bond+>

   1. Last updated at 3:44 PM on 15th January 2012

A new fighter plane which is to be used by the UK and U.S. military has a
design flaw which prevents it from landing on aircraft carriers, it has
emerged.

The flaw in the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) will come as a huge
embarrassment to the Royal Navy which is expected to take delivery of 50 of
the planes by 2020 at a cost of about £5 billion.

Leaked documents from the Pentagon have revealed that the arrestor hook of
the JSF - which is used to stop the plane during landing - is too close to
the wheels.

 [image: Problems: The newest version of the Joint Strike Fighter, the
F-35C, (pictured) has a design flaw which means it cannot land on aircraft
carriers]

*Problems: The newest version of the Joint Strike Fighter, the F-35C,
(pictured) has a design flaw which means it cannot land on aircraft carriers
*

According to The Sunday Times, the Pentagon report reveals that eight
simulated landings have failed and it says a 'significant redesign' of the
aircraft is needed.

It says the future of the aircraft is at risk.

 The Ministry of Defence (MOD) has refused to comment on the leaked report
but a spokesmen told the newspaper that defence secretary Philip Hammond
has discussed the issue with the U.S government.

The spokesman insisted that Britain 'remains committed to purchasing the
carrier variant of the JSF.'

Arrestor cables are used to rapidly decelerate fighter jets as they land on
aircraft carriers.
[image: Talks: Defence secretary Philip Hammond has discussed the issue of
the F-35C with his U.S counterpart Leon Panetta]

*Talks: Defence secretary Philip Hammond has discussed the issue of the
F-35C with his U.S counterpart Leon Panetta*

The cable catches onto a hook at the back of the aircraft which stops the
plane from overshooting into the sea.

But it has emerged that on the F-35C - the new carrier variant of the JSF -
the arrestor hook is just 7ft from the rear wheels of the jet resulting in
the arrestor missing the hook.

On aircraft currently with the U.S navy, this distance is 18ft which means
it has plenty of time to catch the cable.

The leaked report - called the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter Concurrency Quick
Look Review - now warns that there could be major consequences to the
aircraft's structure because of the design flaw.

It goes on to warn that the entire F-35C programme may have to be scrapped
if a redesign is to costly or results in too many technical issues.

The report also revealed a number of other areas of concern which included
that it may be unable to fire British Asraam air-to-air missiles.

According to The Sunday Times, the report adds that there was a high
likelihood of future failures which had not yet been identified.

The government was criticised when it scrapped the Royal Navy's Harrier
aircraft in 2010.

The shadow defence secretary Jim Murphy, told the newspaper: 'An island
nation like ours should be able to operate aeroplanes from an aircraft
carrier. It's essential we know how long we will be without carrier strike
capability.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2086974/Royal-Navy-spends-50b...


 
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Affa  
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 More options Jan 15, 4:27 pm
From: Affa <Affajee...@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:27:23 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 4:27 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

They came to power promising to sort out and prevent government
'aquisitions' failures, to make them accountable, to make them
better ......... ?


 
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 More options Jan 15, 4:30 pm
From: Trueblue <V6jtrichar...@aim.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:30:48 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 4:30 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

On Jan 15, 9:27 pm, Affa <Affajee...@aol.com> wrote:

> They came to power promising to sort out and prevent government
> 'aquisitions' failures, to make them accountable, to make them
> better ......... ?

Labour ordered the Planes, you and the village idiot are assuming they
will take delivery and pay for useless kit like Labour did with the
Chinnocks

 
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Jonksy  
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 More options Jan 15, 4:41 pm
From: Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:41:56 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 4:41 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

It was your bloody lot that ordered the chinooks with the wrong software
locky so stop trying to put the blame on everyone else...And as for paying
for rotten kit which bunch of arseholes forced our troops to have that
piece of crap better known as the SA80 and ordered our military the fucking
Nimrod which cost billions and then still had to procure AWAC at even more
billions?


 
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 More options Jan 15, 4:43 pm
From: Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:43:29 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 4:43 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

Did you read the link locky the liar? No I thought not..!!


 
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From: jamesmordal <cadi...@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:46:13 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 4:46 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...
How do they keep making these mistakes, they can't be that stupid,
money laundering do you think?

On Jan 15, 9:43 pm, Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:


 
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Jonksy  
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From: Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:50:41 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 4:50 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

Simple James they like to line the pockets of their cronies for the little
Asdas they receive...The MOD buy more worthless junk than all the other
government departments put together and that includes the money wasted in
the NHS..


 
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 More options Jan 15, 4:55 pm
From: Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:55:14 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 4:55 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

And what promise have they ever kept Affa? In a word none and that is why
the usual brain dead have to bullshit in their defence 24/7..


 
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 More options Jan 15, 4:57 pm
From: jamesmordal <cadi...@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 13:57:05 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 4:57 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...
It really is that simple Jon and that's a crime against the British
people, in my book.

On Jan 15, 9:50 pm, Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:


 
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 More options Jan 15, 5:06 pm
From: Trueblue <V6jtrichar...@aim.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:06:05 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 5:06 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

On Jan 15, 9:57 pm, jamesmordal <cadi...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> It really is that simple Jon and that's a crime against the British
> people, in my book.

It the inefficient public sector James, the MOD even today employs
over 80.000 people, at the height of the British Empire when we ruled
a third of the planet the combined Foreign Office and Ministry of War
employed a tenth of that amount

 
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 More options Jan 15, 5:10 pm
From: jamesmordal <cadi...@btinternet.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:10:11 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 5:10 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...
Still stealing from the people.

On Jan 15, 10:06 pm, Trueblue <V6jtrichar...@aim.com> wrote:


 
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Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:15:05 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 5:15 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

On Jan 15, 10:10 pm, jamesmordal <cadi...@btinternet.com> wrote:

> Still stealing from the people.

Thats what the public sector does.

 
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 More options Jan 15, 5:20 pm
From: Affa <Affajee...@aol.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:20:26 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 5:20 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

On Jan 15, 9:50 pm, Jonksy <> wrote:

> Simple James they like to line the pockets of their cronies for the little
> Asdas they receive...

 Werrity, Dr Fox's facilitator.

 
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Jonksy  
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 More options Jan 15, 5:22 pm
From: Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:22:26 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 5:22 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

And what about the theft of the PRIVATE sector?


 
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 More options Jan 15, 5:24 pm
From: Trueblue <V6jtrichar...@aim.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:24:18 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 5:24 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

On Jan 15, 10:20 pm, Affa <Affajee...@aol.com> wrote:

>  Werrity, Dr Fox's facilitator.

Very possible Affa, people use contacts and power to line their
pockets and none more than New Labour

 
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From: Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 14:27:47 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

And what about the companies who sell this crap locky are they the public
sector?...Nope they are your beloved PRIVATE sector..


 
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 More options Jan 15, 6:31 pm
From: ewill <willela...@gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 15 Jan 2012 15:31:15 -0800 (PST)
Local: Sun, Jan 15 2012 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...
Your heros ordered the plane

On Jan 15, 9:27 pm, Affa <Affajee...@aol.com> wrote:


 
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 More options Jan 16, 3:37 am
From: Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 00:37:44 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Jan 16 2012 3:37 am
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

And your heroes are still procuring it even though they know it isn't fit
for carrier use, what's the navy going to do tow a small country around the
seas so their aircraft have somewhere to land? Oh but sill me after your
lots recent cuts there is bugger all to tow it with is there?


 
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From: ewill <willela...@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 01:21:33 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Jan 16 2012 4:21 am
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...
it's still in the pipeline and hasn't yet been produced- ''my'' heroes
can now ensure that they aren't paying for planes (ordered by your
heroes)which are seemingly  unfit fit for purpose

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Jonksy  
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From: Jonksy <jon...@hotmail.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 01:27:03 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Jan 16 2012 4:27 am
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

Oh so yet again you never read the link.....The spokesman insisted that
Britain 'remains committed to purchasing the carrier variant of the JSF

And as for my heroes they haven't been in power YET, but of course you
carry on using the same unimaginative ploy for anyone who can see the
tories for what they are, so what you gonna do now play the leftie envy
card?...ROFLMAO


 
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From: jar <jar...@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 04:16:59 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...
Long before Werrity or Fox assuming that they were involved Affa. Do
you recall Phillip Greens report on the MOD it was scathing especially
of the purchasing department which was not fot for purpose. Frankly it
was the civil servants and little to do with either political party
like so many other things

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Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:07:15 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

On Jan 16, 12:16 pm, jar <jar...@aol.com> wrote:


 Frankly it was the civil servants and little to do with either
political party like so many other things

 Yes; I know Whitehall has its skeletons in the cupboards, but your
excuse for Liam Fox doesn't hold water when he was meeting with arms
dealers 'in private'.

 
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From: jar <jar...@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:17:42 -0800 (PST)
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Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...
Not any excuses Affa unlike many I am ready to blame anyone regardless
of which party they belong to although I have to say you are surmising
about the mans guilt without any proof except that he is a Tory who
incidently got the sack

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From: Affa <Affajee...@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:29:28 -0800 (PST)
Local: Mon, Jan 16 2012 12:29 pm
Subject: Re: Yep the tories are in...

On Jan 16, 5:17 pm, jar <> wrote:

I have to say you are surmising about the mans guilt without any proof
except that he is a Tory who incidently got the sack


Getting the sack is part of the proof, what we know remains unanswered
is further proof.
 I do of course surmise that he guilty which is entirely based on
circumstantial evidence and because there are no satisfactory
answers ........ people have gone to the gallows based on similar
evidence!

I surmise further ......... he was not alone, is not alone, and the
culpability extends even higher than his esteemed (former) place.
Friends in high places, friends with their own involvement,
guaranteeing his escape.


 
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